freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2007 at 3:36pm:


that's the point freediver, he can't provide that quote, even though i asked for it more than once. that tells me that quote doesn't exist or sprintcyclist is still looking for it. in the meantime, his just posting all these other quotes that aren't relevant to the topic being discussed.

What does hating jews and beating your wife have to do with sleeping with your daughters?

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2007 at 3:46pm:


Absolutely nothing.

But the quotes you have given do not show that.

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A key supporter of controversial Sheik Taj Aldin Alhilali has prepared an Australian translation of the Koran.

Keysar Trad, of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia, has "tweaked" the meaning of 799 words and phrases in a revised edition of the Holy Koran, Fairfax newspapers report.

The translation challenges the use of words critics say have been used to justify a ban on Muslim friendships with Jews and Christians.

However, it has not changed a verse some critics suggest sanctions abuse of a wife, despite Mr Trad's personal reservations about the passage.

He doesn't disagree with the koran. He disagrees with how it was translated.

Sexist attitudes towards women have long been justified on religious gorunds in western society. Western society rejected it and low and behold, it turned out the Bible did too. Islam is no different.

Even with your efforts at re-interpretting the koran you cannot find any real justification in it for having sex with your daughters.

If you can interpret that from the Koran, you can just as easily find a passage in the bible to support it. The Koran does not support having sex with your daughters.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21803296-2703,00.html

A RELIGIOUS ruling by an Islamic scholar permitting women to breastfeed adults with whom they work has led to his suspension this month from al-Azhar University in Cairo, the world's leading Sunni university.

Izzat Atiyaa had issued a fatwa, or religious ruling, offering his bold suggestion as a way around the prohibition in Islamic religious law against a woman working in private premises with a man who was not her close relative. Breastfeeding, he argued, would create a familial relationship under Islamic law.

Dr Atiyaa explained to the Egyptian newspaper al-Watani al-Yawm that: "A man and a woman who are alone together are not (necessarily) having sex but this possibility exists and breastfeeding provides a solution to this problem (by) transforming the bestial relationship between two people into a religious relationship based on (religious) duties."

Dr Atiyaa argued in his fatwa that if an adult male was nursed by a female co-worker it would likewise establish a familial bond that would permit them to work side by side without raising suspicion of illicit sex.

Dr Atiyaa headed al-Azhar University's department dealing with hadith - oral tradition, outside the Koran, attributed to the teachings of the prophet Mohammed. He said he had based his ruling on one such tradition according to which, at the Prophet's order, a man named Salem was breastfed by the wife of another disciple.

The breastfeeding fatwa moved even some conservative Muslims to attempt to draw a line between ancient tradition and modern life.

Sayyid Askar, an Egyptian politician belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood and a former member of the Academy of Islamic Studies, said the hadith regarding Salem was authentic but irrelevant.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Temporary-marriage-draws-female-ire/2007/06/03/1180809311732.html

Iran's interior minister has faced criticism from women activists after advocating the practice of temporary marriage as a way to meet the needs of young people in the Islamic state, which bans extramarital sex.

"Is it possible that Islam is indifferent to a 15-year-old youth into whom God has put lust?" newspapers quoted Interior Minister Mostafa Pourmohammadi, who is also a cleric, as telling a religious seminar this week.

Temporary marriage, or sigha, is an agreement between a man and a women to get married for a specified time, even for just a few days. It has long been practised by Shi'ite Muslims, who are dominant in Iran, even though it is unclear how common it is.

Sunni Muslims say it is illegal and akin to prostitution, but some Shi'ites scholars say it reflects the reality of human nature and provides for the rights and responsibilities of both the man and the woman.

"Although temporary marriage has always existed in our law, it is considered improper by Iranian culture," Shadi Sadr, an Iranian activist for women rights, told the ISNA news agency.

"For fulfilling the sexual desires of the youth who do not have the possibility to get married, a decision should be taken."

A temporary marriage is easy to arrange. A couple will agree on how long they will get married - it's usually anywhere from a day to months - and on financial matters.

Couples often go to a Shi'ite cleric for approval of the contract. The practice is believed to have pre-dated Islam among the tribes of the Arabian peninsula.

But a female former parliamentary deputy, Fatemeh Rakei, suggested that entering into a temporary marriage made it difficult for young women to later find permanent husbands and also expressed concern about the future of children from such marriages.