My point was that if a certain race share a common cultural trait, such as abusive and heavy drinking, it's hard not to discriminate based on race.

I think it's quite easy to not discriminate. It's changing the way people think that is difficult.

If it was PURE racism, the guys would have said, 'bugger off black person.' 

That is overt or crude racism. Just because you attempt to hide it behind polite language and some kind of justification does not make it any less racist. It just makes it more insidious.

So freediver, do you in all honesty believe these guys are 'hardcore racists' who are banning these guys purely on their skin colour and nothing to do with their behaviour?

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So if a hundred Pacific Islanders come into a bar, all unidentified and unrecognizable for the staff, and 99 are acting in a disturbing, unruly manner, while 1 is acting dignified, do you STILL think they should be judged on an individual basis?

How much of a chance does the bouncer have to throw out the 99 troublemakers? Not to mention identify them for future purposes.

Assuming people of a specific ethnic background have been repeatedly "troublesome" in the past
it is reasonable for a business to protect its own interests (and the safety of their nontroublesome clientele) .

If anything, it is their responsiblity.


Donald - you ever seen a pacific islander run riot ? Very hard to stop 1 of them, let alone 99.
They are BIG boys. VERY solid, VERY muscular, VERY naturally athletic.
Hence their predominance in contact sports.
They just walk through people like tissue paper. They have NO "weak" spots.

Donald - you ever seen a pacific islander run riot ? Very hard to stop 1 of them, let alone 99.
They are BIG boys. VERY solid, VERY muscular, VERY naturally athletic. 
Hence their predominance in contact sports.
They just walk through people like tissue paper. They have NO "weak" spots.

Classic example of a racist attitude

I have Sprintcyclist.

There is quite a large community of Islanders where I live.  No problems with them generally - they are very nice and fit in well with the rest of the community, but come Friday and Saturday night when the boys (and many of them play football for the local teams) are out for some fun, get out of their way and don't antagonise them.

Some of those on the receiving end have suffered severely.  Only a couple of weeks ago, a man in his late 30's walking with his g/f along the beach late at night was beaten to a pulp without provocation.  He was in the wrong place at the wrong time.  He may have even died, but the attack was by drunk Islanders.  This is not an isolated incident, but probably one of the worst.

All this means is that we have even more reason to feel unsafe at night - last year we had to worry about groups of young Arab men cruising the area  (after the Cronulla riots) looking for someone to pick on, now it's the Islanders looking for fun.  Sober they are very peaceful people and don't look for trouble, drunk they are dangerous.