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Question: Do you support multiculturalism?

Yes. Diversity leads to unity and enrichment.    
  53 (42.7%)
No. How can disunity lead to unity?    
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Undecided.    
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Other.    
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Re: Do you support multiculturalism? If so, why?
Reply #750 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 3:15pm
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 12:54pm:


Sewage is different from pure clean water.

I would rather 'immerse myself' in a bath full of hot, pure, clean water.






Relating to different cultures.....

IMO, we [Australians] should not tolerate, embrace, or seek to 'accommodate' persons who [themselves] 'celebrate' and belong to a culture which tolerates, embraces, or 'accommodates', lies, falsehood, corruption, and violence.

And though it is clear that all human cultures in this world to some extent do tolerate, or embrace, lies, falsehood, corruption, and violence - we can see that some cultures do this, much more than others.

Which human cultures ?

To identify them, look at those places [societies] in the world where human lawlessness, corruption and violence abounds!








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Re: Do you support multiculturalism? If so, why?
Reply #751 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:39pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:49pm:
Well, what do you like about Iranian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Punjabi, Nigerian cultures?
In what way are they an improvement on other cultures, especially Western ones?


Traditional or modern?

Traditional cultures tend to venerate and respect their elders and acknowledge their wisdom, Soren.   That is a common thread running through all the cultures you've named.

We in "the West" practice agism instead, consigning the elderly to the scrapheap. 
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Re: Do you support multiculturalism? If so, why?
Reply #752 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:41pm
 
miketrees wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 10:48am:
I support Uniculturalism, where we are all Australians first but have interesting backgrounds that don't interfere with our secular society


So, you believe we should all practice Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture?  Which one?   Roll Eyes

Then of course, Australian colonial settler culture is just a multiculture of English/Scottish/Irish/Welsh/German/Dutch/etc./etc....    Grin
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Re: Do you support multiculturalism? If so, why?
Reply #753 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:44pm
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
Yadda wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 12:54pm:


Sewage is different from pure clean water.

I would rather 'immerse myself' in a bath full of hot, pure, clean water.






Relating to different cultures.....

IMO, we [Australians] should not tolerate, embrace, or seek to 'accommodate' persons who [themselves] 'celebrate' and belong to a culture which tolerates, embraces, or 'accommodates', lies, falsehood, corruption, and violence.


Can you name ONE "culture" that does not contain those elements, Yadda?

Didn't think so.   Roll Eyes
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Re: Do you support multiculturalism? If so, why?
Reply #754 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 5:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:39pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:49pm:
Well, what do you like about Iranian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Punjabi, Nigerian cultures?
In what way are they an improvement on other cultures, especially Western ones?


Traditional or modern?

Traditional cultures tend to venerate and respect their elders and acknowledge their wisdom, Soren.   That is a common thread running through all the cultures you've named.

We in "the West" practice agism instead, consigning the elderly to the scrapheap. 



Bombastic bollocks on stilts.

Traditional Western values also include respect for your elders (it's one of the Decalogue).
As for modern cultural practices, your 'scrapheap' is called social security and it doesn't exist in the third world. We do not 'practice ageism'. We look after our elderly much, much better than they do in the third world.


So what else do you like about Aboriginal, Iranian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Punjabi, Nigerian cultures that you are embracing in your own life. How did they actually change the way you live?

The truth is, you are profoundly ignorant of them and they have made no difference to how you live. You are just preening here to show off how tolerant and accommodating you are of everything you are clueless about. It is a lazy attitude, not to mention stupid.

Had you ever though for a few seconds about it, you would have realised that there is a very great deal in other cultures to which the proper response is intolerance and rejection. You have no problem recognising this when you look at your own culture but suddenly go all sh!t-brained when looking at other cultures. A blanket acceptance of every other culture is deluded.

So here's the supplementary question:
What aspects of Aboriginal, Iranian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Punjabi, Nigerian cultures do you reject, now that you are exposed to them? (or rather, you are exposed to newspaper articles about them).
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Re: Do you support multiculturalism? If so, why?
Reply #755 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 5:28pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:41pm:
miketrees wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 10:48am:
I support Uniculturalism, where we are all Australians first but have interesting backgrounds that don't interfere with our secular society


So, you believe we should all practice Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture?  Which one?   Roll Eyes



The one with the better quality sticks, of course.
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Re: Do you support multiculturalism? If so, why?
Reply #756 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 1:58pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 5:26pm:
As for modern cultural practices, your 'scrapheap' is called social security and it doesn't exist in the third world. We do not 'practice ageism'. We look after our elderly much, much better than they do in the third world.


Thats only true in so far as we have much higher standards of living for everyone - the aged included - than the third world. However its our attitudes and priorities that are lagging behind. Its the cult of individuality - family values are thrown out the window. So in regards to our elderly, we shove them off into nursing homes and visit them maybe a couple of times a year purely to ease our conscience. We pay exorbitant amounts of money so that we don't have to feel guilty or even think about our mums and dads and grandparents. Someone elses problem.

Compare this to other cultures, where the elderly are welcomed into the homes of their children, who selflessly look after them full time. The rationale is a simple nobility: they cared for us when we were children, now we return the favour when they need us.

Sure, in our culture we have the wealth and standard of living to provide comfort of sorts to our elderly - but it is a cold, superficial comfort, bereft of any real love and compassion, and borne out of selfishness. Our culture is a sick cult of individualism.
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Reply #757 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:52pm
 
Thank you Comrade Gandalf, that was nicely hyperbolic, fitting for a propagandist.

That final flourish - " sick cult of individualism" - is a little unhinged even for an excitable fifth columner like you.
Calm yourself.
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Re: Do you support multiculturalism? If so, why?
Reply #758 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 7:23pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 1:58pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 5:26pm:
As for modern cultural practices, your 'scrapheap' is called social security and it doesn't exist in the third world. We do not 'practice ageism'. We look after our elderly much, much better than they do in the third world.


Thats only true in so far as we have much higher standards of living for everyone - the aged included - than the third world. However its our attitudes and priorities that are lagging behind. Its the cult of individuality - family values are thrown out the window. So in regards to our elderly, we shove them off into nursing homes and visit them maybe a couple of times a year purely to ease our conscience. We pay exorbitant amounts of money so that we don't have to feel guilty or even think about our mums and dads and grandparents. Someone elses problem.

Compare this to other cultures, where the elderly are welcomed into the homes of their children, who selflessly look after them full time. The rationale is a simple nobility: they cared for us when we were children, now we return the favour when they need us.

Sure, in our culture we have the wealth and standard of living to provide comfort of sorts to our elderly - but it is a cold, superficial comfort, bereft of any real love and compassion, and borne out of selfishness. Our culture is a sick cult of individualism.


You're really one to complain about stereotypes when you post shlt like this.
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Reply #759 - Aug 17th, 2013 at 11:18am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 1:58pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 5:26pm:
As for modern cultural practices, your 'scrapheap' is called social security and it doesn't exist in the third world. We do not 'practice ageism'. We look after our elderly much, much better than they do in the third world.


Thats only true in so far as we have much higher standards of living for everyone - the aged included - than the third world. However its our attitudes and priorities that are lagging behind.



Utter nonsense. We have the wealth and the higher standard of living because we care about each other much, much more that the third worlders for each other. There, man is truly man's wolf.
But we cooperate, we play fairly, we are not privileging the clan but the law that applies to all, we look after the less fortunate, we get together and organise ourselves cooperatively, in a friendly and productive way. We trust each other more, we have better health, education, public safety, libraries, schools. By every indicator, we get on with each other much better. This is what makes the West is desirable to the third worlders, not just the wealth.
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Reply #760 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 6:59pm
 
Soren don't confuse my descriptions of familial and tribal communities in the third world, to the artificial union between a random cluster of these communities, ruled over by a corrupt capitalist elite - that we call "third world nations". Basically when you are describing a meaningful community in the third world, you don't look at the "country", you look at the tribe - and its within these that you see the community values I was describing.
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Reply #761 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:43pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 1:58pm:
Its the cult of individuality - family values are thrown out the window.



Mmm, and instead, multicultralism encourages us to think of the whole world as our 'family'.  To banish any preferences or loyalties based on degrees of relatedness.

Care more about your own family than some dude in Africa you never have, and never will meet? 

Well, you're clearly an evil racist nazi.

Only a moron like you could attack a symptom while defending their cause.

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Reply #762 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:38pm
 
... wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:43pm:
Mmm, and instead, multicultralism encourages us to think of the whole world as our 'family'.


no it doesn't.
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Reply #763 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 9:00pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
Soren don't confuse my descriptions of familial and tribal communities in the third world, to the artificial union between a random cluster of these communities, ruled over by a corrupt capitalist elite - that we call "third world nations". Basically when you are describing a meaningful community in the third world, you don't look at the "country", you look at the tribe - and its within these that you see the community values I was describing.



You are obfuscating. The West is not tribal.

If you want to live in a tribal society, this isn't the one for you. If you want to tribalise this society, you can bugger off right now because I ain't having any of that shite.
If you meant something else, come out with it.





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Reply #764 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 9:39pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:38pm:
... wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:43pm:
Mmm, and instead, multicultralism encourages us to think of the whole world as our 'family'.



no it doesn't.


Yu-huh.  What do you think all the various slogans with the "one people" theme mean? 

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