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Reply #720 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:13pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Then stop whining about it and tell us your plan.

I already provided a simple plan.

You can not just tell them what to do. Based on the deeply research of their psychology and sociology, you can encourage them to think and find a solution to get better life. At the same time, you provide the fund to help them practice their own solution.

You do not understand what they want, because you don't care what they want and did not try to understand their culture.

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

ATSIC was run by Aboriginals for Aboriginals. Why couldn't even their own people give them a better life? I presume you were aware of ATSIC?

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Reply #721 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:32pm

There are many reasons. One reason is time. Another reason is lack of fund. When they Lack of fund no good enough professionals can join and help them.

When there are some problems, they were dismissed. However, when some local councils had the similar problems, why not dismiss the councils?

Actually, some people only want to prove they can not be helped. It's just a pretext.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Then stop whining about it and tell us your plan.

I already provided a simple plan.

You can not just tell them what to do. Based on the deeply research of their psychology and sociology, you can encourage them to think and find a solution to get better life. At the same time, you provide the fund to help them practice their own solution.

You do not understand what they want, because you don't care what they want and did not try to understand their culture.

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

ATSIC was run by Aboriginals for Aboriginals. Why couldn't even their own people give them a better life? I presume you were aware of ATSIC?

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Reply #722 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:42pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

There are many reasons. One reason is time. Another reason is lack of fund. When they Lack of fund no good enough sociologists and psychologists can join and help them.

Besides, when there are some problems, they are dismissed. When some local councils had the similar problems, why not dismiss the councils?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Then stop whining about it and tell us your plan.

I already provided a simple plan.

You can not just tell them what to do. Based on the deeply research of their psychology and sociology, you can encourage them to think and find a solution to get better life. At the same time, you provide the fund to help them practice their own solution.

You do not understand what they want, because you don't care what they want and did not try to understand their culture.

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

ATSIC was run by Aboriginals for Aboriginals. Why couldn't even their own people give them a better life? I presume you were aware of ATSIC?

Funding was never the problem. Why should Aboriginal leaders need psychologists and sociologists to understand their own people? Shouldn't they already know the problems?

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Reply #723 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:46pm

They need professionals to help them find a way to develop. How did you know funding was not a problem?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

There are many reasons. One reason is time. Another reason is lack of fund. When they Lack of fund no good enough sociologists and psychologists can join and help them.

Besides, when there are some problems, they are dismissed. When some local councils had the similar problems, why not dismiss the councils?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Then stop whining about it and tell us your plan.

I already provided a simple plan.

You can not just tell them what to do. Based on the deeply research of their psychology and sociology, you can encourage them to think and find a solution to get better life. At the same time, you provide the fund to help them practice their own solution.

You do not understand what they want, because you don't care what they want and did not try to understand their culture.

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

ATSIC was run by Aboriginals for Aboriginals. Why couldn't even their own people give them a better life? I presume you were aware of ATSIC?

Funding was never the problem. Why should Aboriginal leaders need psychologists and sociologists to understand their own people? Shouldn't they already know the problems?

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Reply #724 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:53pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

They need professionals to help them find a way to develop. How did you know funding was not a problem?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

There are many reasons. One reason is time. Another reason is lack of fund. When they Lack of fund no good enough sociologists and psychologists can join and help them.

Besides, when there are some problems, they are dismissed. When some local councils had the similar problems, why not dismiss the councils?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Then stop whining about it and tell us your plan.

I already provided a simple plan.

You can not just tell them what to do. Based on the deeply research of their psychology and sociology, you can encourage them to think and find a solution to get better life. At the same time, you provide the fund to help them practice their own solution.

You do not understand what they want, because you don't care what they want and did not try to understand their culture.

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

ATSIC was run by Aboriginals for Aboriginals. Why couldn't even their own people give them a better life? I presume you were aware of ATSIC?

Funding was never the problem. Why should Aboriginal leaders need psychologists and sociologists to understand their own people? Shouldn't they already know the problems?

It had been funded by the millions. As I said before, how many more millions do you need?
Who is more professional than Aboriginals themselves to help their own people? Do you know better than Aboriginal elders?

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Reply #725 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 9:06pm

Do you think millions is a big number? What can $5 millions do? purchase 500 acres wild land? Employ 5 professionals for 5 years?

When building a railway needs more than a billion dollar, what can millions dollar do?

How can Aboriginals develop their society by only millions dollar?

Millions dollar may be a big money for a family but it's nothing for a race.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:53pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

They need professionals to help them find a way to develop. How did you know funding was not a problem?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

There are many reasons. One reason is time. Another reason is lack of fund. When they Lack of fund no good enough sociologists and psychologists can join and help them.

Besides, when there are some problems, they are dismissed. When some local councils had the similar problems, why not dismiss the councils?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Then stop whining about it and tell us your plan.

I already provided a simple plan.

You can not just tell them what to do. Based on the deeply research of their psychology and sociology, you can encourage them to think and find a solution to get better life. At the same time, you provide the fund to help them practice their own solution.

You do not understand what they want, because you don't care what they want and did not try to understand their culture.

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

ATSIC was run by Aboriginals for Aboriginals. Why couldn't even their own people give them a better life? I presume you were aware of ATSIC?

Funding was never the problem. Why should Aboriginal leaders need psychologists and sociologists to understand their own people? Shouldn't they already know the problems?

It had been funded by the millions. As I said before, how many more millions do you need?
Who is more professional than Aboriginals themselves to help their own people? Do you know better than Aboriginal elders?

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Reply #726 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 11:07pm

Hyperion wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 5:11pm:

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 2:38pm:

I do think it highly unusual that a chinaman has so fully taken the liberal bullshit on board.

Bowen is cool. Lay off him man or feel my wrath. He also understands what he is talking about and you're giving him a hard time because you don't get it.

Im shaking in my boots!

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Reply #727 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 11:08pm

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Bowen is either a Chinese shill or a lefty troll, I just don't know what one. But what I do know is that Hyperion jumping to Bowen's defense does not do him any favors. Anyone who gets the Spot/Magpie/Hudson/Hyperion/etc tick of approval is very likely troll stuff.

He is no more Chinese than you are!

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Reply #728 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 11:10pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 7:48pm:

When your chicanery is broken, you turn to personal assault.

It just shows your losing.

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Bowen is either a Chinese shill or a lefty troll, I just don't know what one. But what I do know is that Hyperion jumping to Bowen's defense does not do him any favors. Anyone who gets the Spot/Magpie/Hudson/Hyperion/etc tick of approval is very likely troll stuff.

"chicanery" very common word for Chinese new Australians. Think you better spend some time working on your shtick!

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Reply #729 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 11:17pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

The problem is not only about money. It's also about respect and equal. You never understand, right?

Let me tell you a story about PLA and Tibetans. In 1950s, a soldier of PLA in Lasa hunted an eagle. He did not know eagle was respected in the culture of Tibetans. Finally, he was executed because his hunting. And CCP published this accident to teach other Hans to respect the culture of minority.

I do not agree the final decision, but It shows the respect to other cultures. Compare to the dark CCP, the racists here are even worse.

Please learn to respect other cultures. Money is not everything.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:30pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

It's not enough and the method is wrong in a long period. That's why there were stolen generations.

Until today, there are still many white racists (some of them are in this forum) believe English culture is superior to other cultures. Based on this idea, you can not help them with respect of their culture. So they can not really accept and enjoy your help.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:38am:

If the inheritors of the intruders really want to compensate Aboriginals, they should put enough money into a fund and find a way to help Aboriginals to develop to modern life with their culture.

What do you think has been going on for the past 100 years? Millions and millions of dollars have been funnelled into it.

Not enough? How many millions need to be funnelled into it? Will another 10 do the trick? They even had their own organization once to help them join the modern world - ATSIC (completely tax-payer funded) - do you know about it? It was dismantled because it was corrupt and incompetent.

Whether English culture is superior or not doesn't even come into it, it's up to the Aboriginals if they want to integrate into modern life. Throwing another few million at it isn't going to make a difference. They've got to want to integrate.

Chinaman suddenly speaking English!Its a miracle!
Bowen not your sham of being Chinese has been exposed whu not have the balls to firstly explain whu you thought the deception would assist you and then present your idiotic concepts without the pretense of being a immigrant?

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Reply #730 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 11:18pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Then stop whining about it and tell us your plan.

I already provided a simple plan.

You can not just tell them what to do. Based on the deeply research of their psychology and sociology, you can encourage them to think and find a solution to get better life. At the same time, you provide the fund to help them practice their own solution.

You do not understand what they want, because you don't care what they want and did not try to understand their culture.

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

And if you think your doing something to change that you are seriously mistaken!

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Reply #731 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 11:20pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

There are many reasons. One reason is time. Another reason is lack of fund. When they Lack of fund no good enough professionals can join and help them.

When there are some problems, they were dismissed. However, when some local councils had the similar problems, why not dismiss the councils?

Actually, some people only want to prove they can not be helped. It's just a pretext.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Then stop whining about it and tell us your plan.

I already provided a simple plan.

You can not just tell them what to do. Based on the deeply research of their psychology and sociology, you can encourage them to think and find a solution to get better life. At the same time, you provide the fund to help them practice their own solution.

You do not understand what they want, because you don't care what they want and did not try to understand their culture.

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

ATSIC was run by Aboriginals for Aboriginals. Why couldn't even their own people give them a better life? I presume you were aware of ATSIC?

Are you an aboriginal, just stupid or both?

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Reply #732 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 11:34pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

Do you think millions is a big number? What can $5 millions do? purchase 500 acres wild land? Employ 5 professionals for 5 years?

When building a railway needs more than a billion dollar, what can millions dollar do?

How can Aboriginals develop their society by only millions dollar?

Millions dollar may be a big money for a family but it's nothing for a race.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:53pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

They need professionals to help them find a way to develop. How did you know funding was not a problem?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

There are many reasons. One reason is time. Another reason is lack of fund. When they Lack of fund no good enough sociologists and psychologists can join and help them.

Besides, when there are some problems, they are dismissed. When some local councils had the similar problems, why not dismiss the councils?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Then stop whining about it and tell us your plan.

I already provided a simple plan.

You can not just tell them what to do. Based on the deeply research of their psychology and sociology, you can encourage them to think and find a solution to get better life. At the same time, you provide the fund to help them practice their own solution.

You do not understand what they want, because you don't care what they want and did not try to understand their culture.

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

ATSIC was run by Aboriginals for Aboriginals. Why couldn't even their own people give them a better life? I presume you were aware of ATSIC?

Funding was never the problem. Why should Aboriginal leaders need psychologists and sociologists to understand their own people? Shouldn't they already know the problems?

It had been funded by the millions. As I said before, how many more millions do you need?
Who is more professional than Aboriginals themselves to help their own people? Do you know better than Aboriginal elders?

Nice dodge. Why would Aboriginal elders need psychologists and sociologists to understand their own people? Do you know better than Aboriginal elders? Psychology and sociology are European (soft) sciences anyway. So any investigation via those methodologies will only deliver European orientated interpretations of Aboriginal life and will never reveal the essence of them.

How many more millions do they need?
Also, what have you done personally to help them, have you been out to a mission yet?

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Reply #733 - Nov 18^th, 2012 at 7:06am

Actually, there is a good reason to convince them to develop. Can they trust the racists won't slaughter and plunder them again if they do not develop themselves when there are still someone talk about "conquering"?

I do not know how many more millions they need but it's less than the price of the land of Australia. I know they need more time and long term funding support. You can not expect a race change in several years. They may need hundreds of years. We need more professionals to help them develop step by step.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 11:34pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

Do you think millions is a big number? What can $5 millions do? purchase 500 acres wild land? Employ 5 professionals for 5 years?

When building a railway needs more than a billion dollar, what can millions dollar do?

How can Aboriginals develop their society by only millions dollar?

Millions dollar may be a big money for a family but it's nothing for a race.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:53pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

They need professionals to help them find a way to develop. How did you know funding was not a problem?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

There are many reasons. One reason is time. Another reason is lack of fund. When they Lack of fund no good enough sociologists and psychologists can join and help them.

Besides, when there are some problems, they are dismissed. When some local councils had the similar problems, why not dismiss the councils?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Then stop whining about it and tell us your plan.

I already provided a simple plan.

You can not just tell them what to do. Based on the deeply research of their psychology and sociology, you can encourage them to think and find a solution to get better life. At the same time, you provide the fund to help them practice their own solution.

You do not understand what they want, because you don't care what they want and did not try to understand their culture.

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

ATSIC was run by Aboriginals for Aboriginals. Why couldn't even their own people give them a better life? I presume you were aware of ATSIC?

Funding was never the problem. Why should Aboriginal leaders need psychologists and sociologists to understand their own people? Shouldn't they already know the problems?

It had been funded by the millions. As I said before, how many more millions do you need?
Who is more professional than Aboriginals themselves to help their own people? Do you know better than Aboriginal elders?

Nice dodge. Why would Aboriginal elders need psychologists and sociologists to understand their own people? Do you know better than Aboriginal elders? Psychology and sociology are European (soft) sciences anyway. So any investigation via those methodologies will only deliver European orientated interpretations of Aboriginal life and will never reveal the essence of them.

How many more millions do they need?
Also, what have you done personally to help them, have you been out to a mission yet?

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Reply #734 - Nov 18^th, 2012 at 7:08am

Don't you know there is an item called dictionary? I'm trying my best to express my opinion.

At least I'm trying to communicate with you guys in English. I am open. Right?

mutation wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 11:10pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 7:48pm:

When your chicanery is broken, you turn to personal assault.

It just shows your losing.

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Bowen is either a Chinese shill or a lefty troll, I just don't know what one. But what I do know is that Hyperion jumping to Bowen's defense does not do him any favors. Anyone who gets the Spot/Magpie/Hudson/Hyperion/etc tick of approval is very likely troll stuff.

"chicanery" very common word for Chinese new Australians. Think you better spend some time working on your shtick!

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