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Reply #705 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 7:48pm

When your chicanery is broken, you turn to personal assault.

It just shows your losing.

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Bowen is either a Chinese shill or a lefty troll, I just don't know what one. But what I do know is that Hyperion jumping to Bowen's defense does not do him any favors. Anyone who gets the Spot/Magpie/Hudson/Hyperion/etc tick of approval is very likely troll stuff.

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Reply #706 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 9:54pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 7:48pm:

When your chicanery is broken, you turn to personal assault.

It just shows your losing.

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Bowen is either a Chinese shill or a lefty troll, I just don't know what one. But what I do know is that Hyperion jumping to Bowen's defense does not do him any favors. Anyone who gets the Spot/Magpie/Hudson/Hyperion/etc tick of approval is very likely troll stuff.

And when you're loosing you just ignore everything that is said. This post for example...

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 11:40am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 11:23am:

When you said "we conquered...", you have the responsibility to help them. Or, go back to Europe and return everything you plundered in the "conquering" from them.

That would include your house. When are you going to get this point;

White man kills abo and takes his land.
White man builds on land.
White man keeps selling land from one white to another until chinaman comes and buys it.
Chinaman now owns land conquered from abo.

Do you not see the problem with your logic so far? For the white man to give it back to the abo, you will have to go back home as well. You have knowingly bought stolen property with the defense of "but I wasn't the one who stole it".

If you really cared about the aboriginals you would give your house to them and go back to China. After All, you claim to believe that the land you are living on belongs to them and was stolen. Anything else is just self righteous talk.

Explain how anyone can give back a house that you bought.

>You come here.
>You tell Australians that they stole the land.
>You have no problem buying this stolen land off of the thieves.

Stop ignoring this issue. How do you get to buy and keep knowingly stolen land without sharing the guilt? And how do you expect the thieves to give it back when it now belongs to you?

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Reply #707 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:15pm

My opinion is very clear. If you look yourself as a part of the intruders who "conquered" Australia, you have the responsibility to atone Aboriginals.

If you are not a part of the intruders, then you have not any priority inherit from them.

Why not can I buy a property one the market? The intruders owe Aboriginals, but I do not. The intruders or their inheritors should pay the Aboriginals when they receive the money from the purchaser like me. (or also you if you are not a part of them)

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 9:54pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 7:48pm:

When your chicanery is broken, you turn to personal assault.

It just shows your losing.

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Bowen is either a Chinese shill or a lefty troll, I just don't know what one. But what I do know is that Hyperion jumping to Bowen's defense does not do him any favors. Anyone who gets the Spot/Magpie/Hudson/Hyperion/etc tick of approval is very likely troll stuff.

And when you're loosing you just ignore everything that is said. This post for example...

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 11:40am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 11:23am:

When you said "we conquered...", you have the responsibility to help them. Or, go back to Europe and return everything you plundered in the "conquering" from them.

That would include your house. When are you going to get this point;

White man kills abo and takes his land.
White man builds on land.
White man keeps selling land from one white to another until chinaman comes and buys it.
Chinaman now owns land conquered from abo.

Do you not see the problem with your logic so far? For the white man to give it back to the abo, you will have to go back home as well. You have knowingly bought stolen property with the defense of "but I wasn't the one who stole it".

If you really cared about the aboriginals you would give your house to them and go back to China. After All, you claim to believe that the land you are living on belongs to them and was stolen. Anything else is just self righteous talk.

Explain how anyone can give back a house that you bought.

>You come here.
>You tell Australians that they stole the land.
>You have no problem buying this stolen land off of the thieves.

Stop ignoring this issue. How do you get to buy and keep knowingly stolen land without sharing the guilt? And how do you expect the thieves to give it back when it now belongs to you?

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Reply #708 - Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:44pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:15pm:

My opinion is very clear. If you look yourself as a part of the intruders who "conquered" Australia, you have the responsibility to atone Aboriginals.

If you are not a part of the intruders, then you have not any priority inherit from them.

Why not can I buy a property one the market? The intruders owe Aboriginals, but I do not. The intruders or their inheritors should pay the Aboriginals when they receive the money from the purchaser like me. (or also you if you are not a part of them)

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 9:54pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 7:48pm:

When your chicanery is broken, you turn to personal assault.

It just shows your losing.

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Bowen is either a Chinese shill or a lefty troll, I just don't know what one. But what I do know is that Hyperion jumping to Bowen's defense does not do him any favors. Anyone who gets the Spot/Magpie/Hudson/Hyperion/etc tick of approval is very likely troll stuff.

And when you're loosing you just ignore everything that is said. This post for example...

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 11:40am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 11:23am:

When you said "we conquered...", you have the responsibility to help them. Or, go back to Europe and return everything you plundered in the "conquering" from them.

That would include your house. When are you going to get this point;

White man kills abo and takes his land.
White man builds on land.
White man keeps selling land from one white to another until chinaman comes and buys it.
Chinaman now owns land conquered from abo.

Do you not see the problem with your logic so far? For the white man to give it back to the abo, you will have to go back home as well. You have knowingly bought stolen property with the defense of "but I wasn't the one who stole it".

If you really cared about the aboriginals you would give your house to them and go back to China. After All, you claim to believe that the land you are living on belongs to them and was stolen. Anything else is just self righteous talk.

Explain how anyone can give back a house that you bought.

>You come here.
>You tell Australians that they stole the land.
>You have no problem buying this stolen land off of the thieves.

Stop ignoring this issue. How do you get to buy and keep knowingly stolen land without sharing the guilt? And how do you expect the thieves to give it back when it now belongs to you?

Right. Now explain how this works in practice, because what you just said is completely impossible.

While you are at it, also explain what happens when the aboriginal doesn't want money, but wants the actual land that was stolen. Land that is now owned by you.

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Reply #709 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:38am

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

Please read my previous reply.

If the inheritors of the intruders really want to compensate Aboriginals, they should put enough money into a fund and find a way to help Aboriginals to develop to modern life with their culture.

When you said "eliminate other cultures", they can not accept your "help", of course.

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:44pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:15pm:

My opinion is very clear. If you look yourself as a part of the intruders who "conquered" Australia, you have the responsibility to atone Aboriginals.

If you are not a part of the intruders, then you have not any priority inherit from them.

Why not can I buy a property one the market? The intruders owe Aboriginals, but I do not. The intruders or their inheritors should pay the Aboriginals when they receive the money from the purchaser like me. (or also you if you are not a part of them)

Right. Now explain how this works in practice, because what you just said is completely impossible.

While you are at it, also explain what happens when the aboriginal doesn't want money, but wants the actual land that was stolen. Land that is now owned by you.

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Reply #710 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 11:14am

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:38am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

Please read my previous reply.

If the inheritors of the intruders really want to compensate Aboriginals, they should put enough money into a fund and find a way to help Aboriginals to develop to modern life with their culture.

When you said "eliminate other cultures", they can not accept your "help", of course.

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:44pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:15pm:

My opinion is very clear. If you look yourself as a part of the intruders who "conquered" Australia, you have the responsibility to atone Aboriginals.

If you are not a part of the intruders, then you have not any priority inherit from them.

Why not can I buy a property one the market? The intruders owe Aboriginals, but I do not. The intruders or their inheritors should pay the Aboriginals when they receive the money from the purchaser like me. (or also you if you are not a part of them)

Right. Now explain how this works in practice, because what you just said is completely impossible.

While you are at it, also explain what happens when the aboriginal doesn't want money, but wants the actual land that was stolen. Land that is now owned by you.

I don't remember ever saying "eliminate other cultures". But I'll ask the same question again, one that you refuse to answer;

Explain what happens when the aboriginal doesn't want money, but wants the actual land that was stolen. Land that is now owned by you.

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Reply #711 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 12:06pm

If what you said is the only way to solve the problem, the inheritors of the intruders have to buy the land back and give it back to Aboriginals and I will buy the land from Aboriginals again.

Quantum wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 11:14am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:38am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

Please read my previous reply.

If the inheritors of the intruders really want to compensate Aboriginals, they should put enough money into a fund and find a way to help Aboriginals to develop to modern life with their culture.

When you said "eliminate other cultures", they can not accept your "help", of course.

Quantum wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:44pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:15pm:

My opinion is very clear. If you look yourself as a part of the intruders who "conquered" Australia, you have the responsibility to atone Aboriginals.

If you are not a part of the intruders, then you have not any priority inherit from them.

Why not can I buy a property one the market? The intruders owe Aboriginals, but I do not. The intruders or their inheritors should pay the Aboriginals when they receive the money from the purchaser like me. (or also you if you are not a part of them)

Right. Now explain how this works in practice, because what you just said is completely impossible.

While you are at it, also explain what happens when the aboriginal doesn't want money, but wants the actual land that was stolen. Land that is now owned by you.

I don't remember ever saying "eliminate other cultures". But I'll ask the same question again, one that you refuse to answer;

Explain what happens when the aboriginal doesn't want money, but wants the actual land that was stolen. Land that is now owned by you.

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Reply #712 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 1:43pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

If what you said is the only way to solve the problem, the inheritors of the intruders have to buy the land back and give it back to Aboriginals and I will buy the land from Aboriginals again.

So if someone came up to you today and said, "I need to buy your house back", you would be happy with that? You would be happy to just pack up and move out?

How about if the Aboriginals just say that they want the house back? Will you just give it to them? It is after all stolen goods. If I bought a car that was knowingly stolen and got found out, I would not be able to sell it back to the person who stole it. The authorities would simply take the car off me, and I would be in trouble as well for buying something I knew to be stolen.

You Bowen, have bought a house that you believe to be on land stolen from the Aboriginals. You have knowingly bought stolen land. If the Aboriginals demand that land back, will you just give it to them?

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Reply #713 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:08pm

I won't return the land for free. the inheritors of the intruders should pay for that not me.

However, If the pre-condition is all the land will be returned to Aboriginals and all the inheritors of the intruders go back to Europe. I can accept with an equal price to sell the land to the inheritors of the intruders.

I won't be happy, because the inheritors of the intruders should find a better way to solve the problem. But if it's the only solution. I can accept it for justice.

Quantum wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

If what you said is the only way to solve the problem, the inheritors of the intruders have to buy the land back and give it back to Aboriginals and I will buy the land from Aboriginals again.

So if someone came up to you today and said, "I need to buy your house back", you would be happy with that? You would be happy to just pack up and move out?

How about if the Aboriginals just say that they want the house back? Will you just give it to them? It is after all stolen goods. If I bought a car that was knowingly stolen and got found out, I would not be able to sell it back to the person who stole it. The authorities would simply take the car off me, and I would be in trouble as well for buying something I knew to be stolen.

You Bowen, have bought a house that you believe to be on land stolen from the Aboriginals. You have knowingly bought stolen land. If the Aboriginals demand that land back, will you just give it to them?

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Reply #714 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:14pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:38am:

If the inheritors of the intruders really want to compensate Aboriginals, they should put enough money into a fund and find a way to help Aboriginals to develop to modern life with their culture.

What do you think has been going on for the past 100 years? Millions and millions of dollars have been funnelled into it.

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Reply #715 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:23pm

It's not enough and the method is wrong in a long period. That's why there were stolen generations.

Until today, there are still many white racists (some of them are in this forum) believe English culture is superior to other cultures. Based on this idea, you can not help them with respect of their culture. So they can not really accept and enjoy your help.

If we really want to help them to develop to modern life, we should look them as brothers.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:38am:

If the inheritors of the intruders really want to compensate Aboriginals, they should put enough money into a fund and find a way to help Aboriginals to develop to modern life with their culture.

What do you think has been going on for the past 100 years? Millions and millions of dollars have been funnelled into it.

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Reply #716 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:30pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

It's not enough and the method is wrong in a long period. That's why there were stolen generations.

Until today, there are still many white racists (some of them are in this forum) believe English culture is superior to other cultures. Based on this idea, you can not help them with respect of their culture. So they can not really accept and enjoy your help.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:38am:

If the inheritors of the intruders really want to compensate Aboriginals, they should put enough money into a fund and find a way to help Aboriginals to develop to modern life with their culture.

What do you think has been going on for the past 100 years? Millions and millions of dollars have been funnelled into it.

Not enough? How many millions need to be funnelled into it? Will another 10 do the trick? They even had their own organization once to help them join the modern world - ATSIC (completely tax-payer funded) - do you know about it? It was dismantled because it was corrupt and incompetent.

Whether English culture is superior or not doesn't even come into it, it's up to the Aboriginals if they want to integrate into modern life. Throwing another few million at it isn't going to make a difference. They've got to want to integrate.

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Reply #717 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 3:26pm

The problem is not only about money. It's also about respect and equal. You never understand, right?

Let me tell you a story about PLA and Tibetans. In 1950s, a soldier of PLA in Lasa hunted an eagle. He did not know eagle was respected in the culture of Tibetans. Finally, he was executed because his hunting. And CCP published this accident to teach other Hans to respect the culture of minority.

I do not agree the final decision, but It shows the respect to other cultures. Compare to the dark CCP, the racists here are even worse.

Please learn to respect other cultures. Money is not everything.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:30pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

It's not enough and the method is wrong in a long period. That's why there were stolen generations.

Until today, there are still many white racists (some of them are in this forum) believe English culture is superior to other cultures. Based on this idea, you can not help them with respect of their culture. So they can not really accept and enjoy your help.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:38am:

If the inheritors of the intruders really want to compensate Aboriginals, they should put enough money into a fund and find a way to help Aboriginals to develop to modern life with their culture.

What do you think has been going on for the past 100 years? Millions and millions of dollars have been funnelled into it.

Not enough? How many millions need to be funnelled into it? Will another 10 do the trick? They even had their own organization once to help them join the modern world - ATSIC (completely tax-payer funded) - do you know about it? It was dismantled because it was corrupt and incompetent.

Whether English culture is superior or not doesn't even come into it, it's up to the Aboriginals if they want to integrate into modern life. Throwing another few million at it isn't going to make a difference. They've got to want to integrate.

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Reply #718 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:25pm

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

The problem is not only about money. It's also about respect and equal. You never understand, right?

Let me tell you a story about PLA and Tibetans. In 1950s, a soldier of PLA in Lasa hunted an eagle. He did not know eagle was respected in the culture of Tibetans. Finally, he was executed because his hunting. And CCP published this accident to teach other Hans to respect the culture of minority.

I do not agree the final decision, but It shows the respect to other cultures. Compare to the dark CCP, the racists here are even worse.

Please learn to respect other cultures. Money is not everything.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:30pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

It's not enough and the method is wrong in a long period. That's why there were stolen generations.

Until today, there are still many white racists (some of them are in this forum) believe English culture is superior to other cultures. Based on this idea, you can not help them with respect of their culture. So they can not really accept and enjoy your help.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:38am:

If the inheritors of the intruders really want to compensate Aboriginals, they should put enough money into a fund and find a way to help Aboriginals to develop to modern life with their culture.

What do you think has been going on for the past 100 years? Millions and millions of dollars have been funnelled into it.

Not enough? How many millions need to be funnelled into it? Will another 10 do the trick? They even had their own organization once to help them join the modern world - ATSIC (completely tax-payer funded) - do you know about it? It was dismantled because it was corrupt and incompetent.

Whether English culture is superior or not doesn't even come into it, it's up to the Aboriginals if they want to integrate into modern life. Throwing another few million at it isn't going to make a difference. They've got to want to integrate.

Then stop whining about it and tell us your plan.

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Reply #719 - Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:43pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Then stop whining about it and tell us your plan.

I already provided a simple plan.

You can not just tell them what to do. Based on the deeply research of their psychology and sociology, you can encourage them to think and find a solution to get better life. At the same time, you provide the fund to help them practice their own solution.

You do not understand what they want, because you don't care what they want and did not try to understand their culture.

Bowen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Firstly, you should respect them. When you consider them as animals, you can not help them.

Then we need some professionals understand their languages. We should research their psychology and sociology. Like we teach our children, we need to find a way that they can accept and enjoy.

I do not believe Aboriginals really refuse a better life. The only problem is white people always appear with superiority. This superiority is the poison for any communication. And they do not trust you because of the slaughter and plunder in the history.

We will find a way if you really want to help them.

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