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Question: Do you support multiculturalism?

Yes. Diversity leads to unity and enrichment.    
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No. How can disunity lead to unity?    
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Reply #450 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 9:32am
 
You want the people to abandon their own culture because you never respect the human rights just like what your forefather did to the Aborigines.

You show the dark side of western culture which is obviously against the universal value.


Quantum wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 9:19am:
Bowen wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 9:04am:
I agree with your opinion partially. The culture of society should be mixed by different cultures not separated by different cultures.

However, you can see there are many guys attempt to keep single culture in Australia even in this forum. Because of them, the multiculturalism is still necessary. Because we need the multiculturalism to protect the equal between different cultures. Without multiculturalism, I swear these guys will attempt to force others to follow their culture. It will make big problem in Australia.



Younme wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 8:22am:
I support people being multicultural, but not a country.. I do not believe the country can call its self multicultrual as a whole when they gather up people whom are not multicultural (gathering poeple with distinct cultures) and putting them all together then say "we are multicultural" that's not multicultural that's "we are segregated" when you have everybody dropping their distinct cultures, and embrasing a multiculture (picking their fav bits out of each culture) then you can support multiculture..



It is only a problem if you come here unwilling to assimilate, but holding onto your own culture. When are you going to understand first cause? Your attitude causes the problems, but you are blaming us for not fixing them.
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Reply #451 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 9:57am
 
If 'we' are to blame for what happened to the Aboriginals, then you open up the gates for all races/cultures to be blamed for their errors of the past. Maybe we could blame you for the murders in Tibet? How about all the people the Chinese government executes? Two can play this socio-bio-historic cause and effect blame game.

We can play it another way as well. If the Aboriginals reject British/Australian culture then they are racist for not accepting their culture to be 'diversified.' They want separatism. Those Aboriginals who disliked the 1788 settlement were racist.

For every racist argument thrown at whites, they can be reversed and used the other way just as legitimately.

I'd like to know where you picked up your leftist ideas on Australia and its history, Bowen. Was it here, were you forced to do a few social science courses while doing your science/engineering degree? Or did you get them in China?

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Reply #452 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 10:25am
 
It seems to me its the same ppl that dont think aboriginals should have land rights etc that think israel is right in what its doing.

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Reply #453 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 10:58am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 10:25am:
It seems to me its the same ppl that dont think aboriginals should have land rights etc that think israel is right in what its doing.

SOB


Allow me to quote you from another thread...

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 10:23am:
Funnily everywhere I look where you are posting you post the same thing. you dont ever discuss anything on topic you just do that crap. Why are you even here?

SOB


Still don't understand the relationship with black people, pots and your daily whine do ya boy?

No one has been talking about land rights or Israel. Get over it.
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Reply #454 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 11:11am
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 9:32am:
You want the people to abandon their own culture because you never respect the human rights just like what your forefather did to the Aborigines.

You show the dark side of western culture which is obviously against the universal value.


Firstly, you have been clear as day that you want me to abandon my culture. You have said many times that I am like an old man who can't accept change. You keep saying I need to forget the old ways and work with you in this new multicultural society that combines the best of all cultures. However, you continue to whine because someone wants you to abandon your culture?

The difference is that you came here! If you wanted to keep your Chinese culture, stay in china! Unbelievable that you think you can come to someone else's country; tell them to change their culture; but you get to keep yours. You expect people to agree with that crap?

Secondly, I also explained that my family came out from Scotland 70 years ago. Not on the first fleet; they were not English; and can no way be linked to anything that happened with the aboriginals 224 years ago. My forefathers are as responsible for colonization of Australia as yours are. But I'm white, so I am automatically to blame while your yellow skin makes you peaceful and innocent. You are a bloody racist while at the same time wanting to play the race card. Unreal!

Lastly, humans rights does not protect Chinese culture in Australia to the destruction of everyone else's. Get a grip.
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Reply #455 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 11:23am
 
Firstly, I never ask you to abandon your culture. I just ask you to live with different cultures. The problem is you can not accept other cultures with you.

Secondly, your culture is from Scotland different England. Am I misunderstanding? Do you abandon your Scotch culture to follow all the culture of English? If not, you can live with English culture which is different from your own culture partially, right? Why not can you live with Chinese culture?

Lastly, can you tell me how Chinese culture in Australia destruction of everyone else's? Did I ask you do not speak English? Or did I do anything stop you to keep your own culture?



Quantum wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 11:11am:
Bowen wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 9:32am:
You want the people to abandon their own culture because you never respect the human rights just like what your forefather did to the Aborigines.

You show the dark side of western culture which is obviously against the universal value.


Firstly, you have been clear as day that you want me to abandon my culture. You have said many times that I am like an old man who can't accept change. You keep saying I need to forget the old ways and work with you in this new multicultural society that combines the best of all cultures. However, you continue to whine because someone wants you to abandon your culture?

The difference is that you came here! If you wanted to keep your Chinese culture, stay in china! Unbelievable that you think you can come to someone else's country; tell them to change their culture; but you get to keep yours. You expect people to agree with that crap?

Secondly, I also explained that my family came out from Scotland 70 years ago. Not on the first fleet; they were not English; and can no way be linked to anything that happened with the aboriginals 224 years ago. My forefathers are as responsible for colonization of Australia as yours are. But I'm white, so I am automatically to blame while your yellow skin makes you peaceful and innocent. You are a bloody racist while at the same time wanting to play the race card. Unreal!

Lastly, humans rights does not protect Chinese culture in Australia to the destruction of everyone else's. Get a grip.
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Reply #456 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 11:27am
 
Do you know the population growth in Tibet in the past 60 years?

It's absolutely different from the situation of the Aboriginals. Please use number to prove something.

Population of Tibetans increased 3 times with far more better education and welfare than 60 years ago. And Tibetans have privilege to have more babies while normal Chinese can only have one.

How is the population changed of Aboriginals since English came here?

Tibetans are always considered as Chinese citizen. They are never be considered as animal like what you forefather to the Aboriginals. A PLA soldier was executed in 1950s only because he hunted an eagle in Lasa while eagle is respected by Tibetans.

From the number or from the actions. It's absolute different.


I'm very happy to join the social living here.

You are confusing two different notions. What's the meaning of accept?

When you ask Aboriginals or me, you ask us to abandon our own culture to accept British (which is mixed by different cultures too) culture.

When I ask you to accept Chinese culture, I only ask you to live with Chinese culture and never ask you abandon your own culture.

Do you know the difference?



Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 9:57am:
If 'we' are to blame for what happened to the Aboriginals, then you open up the gates for all races/cultures to be blamed for their errors of the past. Maybe we could blame you for the murders in Tibet? How about all the people the Chinese government executes? Two can play this socio-bio-historic cause and effect blame game.

We can play it another way as well. If the Aboriginals reject British/Australian culture then they are racist for not accepting their culture to be 'diversified.' They want separatism. Those Aboriginals who disliked the 1788 settlement were racist.

For every racist argument thrown at whites, they can be reversed and used the other way just as legitimately.

I'd like to know where you picked up your leftist ideas on Australia and its history, Bowen. Was it here, were you forced to do a few social science courses while doing your science/engineering degree? Or did you get them in China?

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Reply #457 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 12:54pm
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 11:23am:
Firstly, I never ask you to abandon your culture. I just ask you to live with different cultures. The problem is you can not accept other cultures with you.


Yes you did. You said we all need to be taking the best of each culture and combining them to make a new multicultural world without segregation. You can not keep water pure whilst mixing 100 different flavours of cordial into it.

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Secondly, your culture is from Scotland different England. Am I misunderstanding? Do you abandon your Scotch culture to follow all the culture of English? If not, you can live with English culture which is different from your own culture partially, right? Why not can you live with Chinese culture?


Australian culture is not English. I'm sure us white people all look the same to you but we are not.

I never followed English culture or had to live in it. I was born and raised Australian. My Scottish family abandoned its Scottish culture when they came here. They are Australian and proud of it. You want to be a chinaman with an Australian citizenship paper. That's the difference between those who are grateful for the nation who made them apart of it, and those who are here to further their career.

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Lastly, can you tell me how Chinese culture in Australia destruction of everyone else's? Did I ask you do not speak English? Or did I do anything stop you to keep your own culture?


You want us to all learn Chinese, plus see point one above.
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Reply #458 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 1:23pm
 
Firstly, my suggestion that taking the best part of each culture is to avoid the separated society. If you do not want, I don't care. You want to make a separated society, so be it.

Secondly, every culture are mixed by different sub-cultures. As you said, Australian culture is not English culture but mixed my different culture including Scottish culture. Am I misunderstanding? When your parents came to Australia, didn't they brought Scotch culture here and mixed Scotch culture with other culture here? One simple question, Did your parent abandon their Scotch pronunciation in Australia?

I told you many times, I'm Australian too. I'm proud of it too. But it doesn't matter to my own culture. Because my culture became a part of Australia culture when I became an Australian.

Lastly, no one force you to learn Chinese. But if you do not learn any secondary language, don't blame others make the separated society. It's your choice made the the separated society. It's no problem for me and I don't have to be your friend if you do not want to do anything.i
Quantum wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 12:54pm:
Bowen wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 11:23am:
Firstly, I never ask you to abandon your culture. I just ask you to live with different cultures. The problem is you can not accept other cultures with you.


Yes you did. You said we all need to be taking the best of each culture and combining them to make a new multicultural world without segregation. You can not keep water pure whilst mixing 100 different flavours of cordial into it.

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Secondly, your culture is from Scotland different England. Am I misunderstanding? Do you abandon your Scotch culture to follow all the culture of English? If not, you can live with English culture which is different from your own culture partially, right? Why not can you live with Chinese culture?


Australian culture is not English. I'm sure us white people all look the same to you but we are not.

I never followed English culture or had to live in it. I was born and raised Australian. My Scottish family abandoned its Scottish culture when they came here. They are Australian and proud of it. You want to be a chinaman with an Australian citizenship paper. That's the difference between those who are grateful for the nation who made them apart of it, and those who are here to further their career.

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Lastly, can you tell me how Chinese culture in Australia destruction of everyone else's? Did I ask you do not speak English? Or did I do anything stop you to keep your own culture?


You want us to all learn Chinese, plus see point one above.
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Reply #459 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 1:58pm
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 1:23pm:
Firstly, my suggestion that taking the best part of each culture is to avoid the separated society. If you do not want, I don't care. You want to make a separated society, so be it.


You want to make a "separated society" by refusing to assimilate. Don't want to be Australian... don't come here.

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Secondly, every culture are mixed by different sub-cultures. As you said, Australian culture is not English culture but mixed my different culture including Scottish culture. Am I misunderstanding? When your parents came to Australia, didn't they brought Scotch culture here and mixed Scotch culture with other culture here? One simple question, Did your parent abandon their Scotch pronunciation in Australia?


Yes. One parent and his family, and they all dropped the accent as soon as they got here. Didn't dress like a Scott, talk like a Scott, or act like a Scott. They became an Australian. Try it.

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I told you many times, I'm Australian too. I'm proud of it too. But it doesn't matter to my own culture. Because my culture became a part of Australia culture when I became an Australian.

Lastly, no one force you to learn Chinese. But if you do not learn any secondary language, don't blame others make the separated society. It's your choice made the the separated society. It's no problem for me and I don't have to be your friend if you do not want to do anything.


Being Australian and Australian culture are inseparably linked. Your entire attitude is that Australia has no history, traditions, values, or culture. Your attitude is that Australia is just a place for anyone who wants to live here to get citizenship and that makes them Australian.

What made you think you can come to this country; live however you want; and also tell those who are here how this nation is going to be run? You're telling people born here how their own home is going to be from now on when you just walked off a plane. Don't blame us because you thought wrong about what it is to live in Australia.


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Reply #460 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 2:04pm
 
My children will be born in Australia like you. Fortunately they will live in a multicultural society. I'm proud of it.

Only you refuse to assimilate. You even don't really care the separated society. The only thing you do is blaming others.

What I know now is I won't live like you. I will communicate with different cultures learn the good parts from them. You can live in your dream forever.

So be it.



Quantum wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 1:58pm:
Bowen wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 1:23pm:
Firstly, my suggestion that taking the best part of each culture is to avoid the separated society. If you do not want, I don't care. You want to make a separated society, so be it.


You want to make a "separated society" by refusing to assimilate. Don't want to be Australian... don't come here.

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Secondly, every culture are mixed by different sub-cultures. As you said, Australian culture is not English culture but mixed my different culture including Scottish culture. Am I misunderstanding? When your parents came to Australia, didn't they brought Scotch culture here and mixed Scotch culture with other culture here? One simple question, Did your parent abandon their Scotch pronunciation in Australia?


Yes. One parent and his family, and they all dropped the accent as soon as they got here. Didn't dress like a Scott, talk like a Scott, or act like a Scott. They became an Australian. Try it.

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I told you many times, I'm Australian too. I'm proud of it too. But it doesn't matter to my own culture. Because my culture became a part of Australia culture when I became an Australian.

Lastly, no one force you to learn Chinese. But if you do not learn any secondary language, don't blame others make the separated society. It's your choice made the the separated society. It's no problem for me and I don't have to be your friend if you do not want to do anything.


Being Australian and Australian culture are inseparably linked. Your entire attitude is that Australia has no history, traditions, values, or culture. Your attitude is that Australia is just a place for anyone who wants to live here to get citizenship and that makes them Australian.

What made you think you can come to this country; live however you want; and also tell those who are here how this nation is going to be run? You're telling people born here how their own home is going to be from now on when you just walked off a plane. Don't blame us because you thought wrong about what it is to live in Australia.


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Reply #461 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 2:21pm
 
I like multiculturalism to a degree. I believe we should maintain a large white majority though. I believe Australia is divided on religious and ethnic grounds and  without the white majority we'll have states based on ethnicity and religion pop up inside our country. I understand how white Australians don't like it too. After all if China had a huge influx of Anglos I'm sure there would be riots. You would have to say that white Australians would be the most tolerant people on earth.
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Reply #462 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 2:29pm
 
What I can tell you is Chinese is not a pure nation but mixed by different nations. Myself have at least two ancestries of two different nations. In the past 3000 years, many nations mixed to Chinese with their own culture. You can find the marks of different cultures in Chinese culture. So learning good parts from other culture never be a problem for me.

Big Dave wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 2:21pm:
I like multiculturalism to a degree. I believe we should maintain a large white majority though. I believe Australia is divided on religious and ethnic grounds and  without the white majority we'll have states based on ethnicity and religion pop up inside our country. I understand how white Australians don't like it too. After all if China had a huge influx of Anglos I'm sure there would be riots. You would have to say that white Australians would be the most tolerant people on earth.
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Reply #463 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 2:32pm
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 2:04pm:
My children will be born in Australia like you. Fortunately they will live in a multicultural society. I'm proud of it.

Only you refuse to assimilate. You even don't really care the separated society. The only thing you do is blaming others.

What I know now is I won't live like you. I will communicate with different cultures learn the good parts from them. You can live in your dream forever.

So be it.


Brilliant stuff!

*You won't change to the way Australia is.
*You want everyone here to change to the way you want Australia to be.
*Your unwillingness to assimilate is not the reason for "segregated society"
*Those living here are to blame for not assimilating to your ways.

You come here and want to keep your Chinese culture. But it is my fault for not assimilating. What was all that horseshit before about being able to keep my culture and it not being interfered with by yours? Probably came from the same horse's arse that thinks that everyone needs to learn Chinese or it is their fault for "segregated society".

*You joined this forum at the start of the year and laid dormant.
*You have in the last couple of days posted at a rate that would make Spot proud, almost 24 hours a day without rest.
*You only post pro Chinese crap and have not talked about any other issue.
*All your post look like they came from google translate; repeating the same sentences over and over again in replies to different people, showing a very limited understanding of English.

By your knowledge and language you do not show the signs of someone who has been in this country for years, unless you have been living in a Chinese ghetto ignoring white Australia all this time. Instead, you are very quickly coming across as a shill, or possibly even a user name for a group of shills. 3pm, 9pm, 2am, 11am etc, you are here posting away, always fighting for why Chinese coming to Australia will make this country better (without ever saying how exactly).



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Reply #464 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 2:37pm
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 2:29pm:
What I can tell you is Chinese is not a pure nation but mixed by different nations. Myself have at least two ancestries of two different nations. In the past 3000 years, many nations mixed to Chinese with their own culture. You can find the marks of different cultures in Chinese culture. So learning good parts from other culture never be a problem for me.

Big Dave wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 2:21pm:
I like multiculturalism to a degree. I believe we should maintain a large white majority though. I believe Australia is divided on religious and ethnic grounds and  without the white majority we'll have states based on ethnicity and religion pop up inside our country. I understand how white Australians don't like it too. After all if China had a huge influx of Anglos I'm sure there would be riots. You would have to say that white Australians would be the most tolerant people on earth.

I'm not knocking China. I like their progressiveness and I believe Chinese people greatly benefit Australia. I notice many young Chinese people become very Australian and try their utmost to fit in. But China does have multiculturalism like Australia. In China everybody is Asian. Australia has all races.
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