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Question: Do you support multiculturalism?

Yes. Diversity leads to unity and enrichment.    
  53 (42.7%)
No. How can disunity lead to unity?    
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Undecided.    
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Other.    
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Reply #435 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 2:22pm
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 1:45pm:
I said many times "I am Australian too." If you do not forget or ignore particularly.

No one force you to learn other language. But it's you blaming there is a separated society.

I said many times. Be a friend or leave me a lone. I already tried to join with you. I learn English and communicate with you in English. I did many thing you didn't.

If you do not want to understand me still, so be it.


You are welcome to be a friend. But you need to realize that if you want to join a group, you have to join the group on their terms. You only have power in a negotiation if you have something the other side wants. You can only reach a compromise if one side isn't holding all the cards.

Your attitude has been that you want to join Australia, but Australian should change to make you more welcomed. You say; "Be a friend or leave me alone", but it us who gets to make that ultimatum. If you don't want to be Australian, then don't come. Don't tell the group that you want to join to either accept you or leave you alone. Instead, either be a part of the group or don't try to join in the first place.

Your entire attitude is what creates a "segregated society". Simply learning a basic level of English is not much of an effort, especially when you insist on holding to your own culture and not assimilating.

Your ignorant belief that Australia was conquered in some kind of warfare by the English, and therefore all the white people here are to blame, is also the kind of attitude that causes a "segregated society". My family are Scottish refugees from WW2. They came here, dropped the accent, and called themselves Australian. I don't call myself Scottish, nor do I have anything that would identify me with Scottish culture. But I am white, so that makes me one of the conquer by "cannon" people and not a "peaceful" Chinaman. You really reckon that kind of racist "us" and "you" language you use helps to build a non "segregated society"?

This isn't about leaning a language, this is about attitude. Australia is not a shop where money is the only thing that matters, but instead it is a society of relationships and behaviours that needs a grounding. You don't join a nation like joining a gym. Citizenship is not a piece of paper like a membership. You either are committed to being a part of the nation or you are simply here for convenience. Everything you have said so far makes it should like the latter. You are not here to be an Australian, but being an Australian citizen is good for your career at the moment. Once Australia no loner works for you or something better comes along, you will go join them. Why should anyone reach out to you with an attitude like that?
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Reply #436 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 2:44pm
 
The term is not decided by you.

Look, I already joined Australia with the term that I pledged because I have something that Australia needs.  The term also include the multicultural society. This is what the government of Australia convinced me before I decided to join. And I never pledged that I will follow all the culture of Anglo-Saxon.

I come here to be a friend. But I'm not a refugee, and not ask for accepting of you. You can accept or not. If you accept, try to understand me like what I did. If not, just leave me alone. I don't care.

You are right, the problem is about "attitude", To avoid a separated society. My attitude is far more active and positive than you.

I learn English and try to communicate with you in English, but you just wait there and do nothing.

Do you know who am I? Do you have any evidence that you can judge me? Everything you talk about is in your dream or imagine.

Do you want me to do the similar thing? Are you getting money from centrelink every month that from my tax? If not, I'm sorry for my imagine without any evidence. But this is similar to what you said.



Quantum wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 2:22pm:
You are welcome to be a friend. But you need to realize that if you want to join a group, you have to join the group on their terms. You only have power in a negotiation if you have something the other side wants. You can only reach a compromise if one side isn't holding all the cards.

Your attitude has been that you want to join Australia, but Australian should change to make you more welcomed. You say; "Be a friend or leave me alone", but it us who gets to make that ultimatum. If you don't want to be Australian, then don't come. Don't tell the group that you want to join to either accept you or leave you alone. Instead, either be a part of the group or don't try to join in the first place.

Your entire attitude is what creates a "segregated society". Simply learning a basic level of English is not much of an effort, especially when you insist on holding to your own culture and not assimilating.

Your ignorant belief that Australia was conquered in some kind of warfare by the English, and therefore all the white people here are to blame, is also the kind of attitude that causes a "segregated society". My family are Scottish refugees from WW2. They came here, dropped the accent, and called themselves Australian. I don't call myself Scottish, nor do I have anything that would identify me with Scottish culture. But I am white, so that makes me one of the conquer by "cannon" people and not a "peaceful" Chinaman. You really reckon that kind of racist "us" and "you" language you use helps to build a non "segregated society"?

This isn't about leaning a language, this is about attitude. Australia is not a shop where money is the only thing that matters, but instead it is a society of relationships and behaviours that needs a grounding. You don't join a nation like joining a gym. Citizenship is not a piece of paper like a membership. You either are committed to being a part of the nation or you are simply here for convenience. Everything you have said so far makes it should like the latter. You are not here to be an Australian, but being an Australian citizen is good for your career at the moment. Once Australia no loner works for you or something better comes along, you will go join them. Why should anyone reach out to you with an attitude like that?         
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Reply #437 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 8:26pm
 
I support Multiculturalism. Why?

I like variety!
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Reply #438 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 9:18pm
 
Multiculturalism is for idiots, the underminers and the chronically neurotic. Who in his right mind would say, 'I live like this because every other way of life is as good as any other'.

It's fvcken
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Reply #439 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 9:47pm
 
I don't know if these words are the parts of your culture. But It shows only unpolite and lack of education.

Fortunately, you are not the representative of Australian, otherwise I have to focus on education problems here a little more.

And obviously, you can not build a better Australia with these words.

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 9:18pm:
Multiculturalism is for idiots, the underminers and the chronically neurotic. Who in his right mind would say, 'I live like this because every other way of life is as good as any other'.

It's fvcken
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Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #440 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:12pm
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 9:47pm:
Fortunately, you are not the representative of Australian


No.  But I am, and I say it's shithouse.
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Reply #441 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:32pm
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 2:52pm:
What you said is obviously racialism.

Living in my favorite culture is my human rights.

And I am Australian citizen which is not decided by you.



Moving to a country which your own culture cannot produce to take advantage of the opportunities available but rejecting the culture that provided it in preference to your own is the quintessential act of Racism! As the Christians say "First remove the Log from your own eye before you remove the mote from mine"

Its not your human right if done without invitation and unconditional intent to assimilate and embrace the host culture its passive invasion!

Yes you may be a citizen but your not an Australian! A piece of paper given to you by someone without the mandate to do so is exactly that a piece of paper worthless and meaningless,.The arrogance that you think that piece of paper gives you the same right to decide the future of this country as someone who has been here for 7 generation is repulsive.
No its not decided by me but if it isnt decided by the people of this country(and it isnt) then its not legitimate.
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Reply #442 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:42pm
 
Roger wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 8:26pm:
I support Multiculturalism. Why?

I like variety!


Variety is good at the buffet table. Let's you chose what you would like to eat. Variety becomes bad however when you don't get a choice and you are forced to eat all of it.

Cultural variety is good when you get on a plane. You can chose what culture you want to experience, but you get to come home after it. Multiculturalism however forces you to experience all the cultures all day every day. Like eating everything at the buffet table, it gets sickly very quickly.

Variety implies choice. There is no choice in multiculturalism. You don't get to hang out with the Chinese and then go home. You don't get to spend time with the Indians then go home. Instead we end up with a clash of lifestyles often intolerant and incompatible with each other, making our cities a mixed pot of values and division where no one can really call it home.

Multiculturalism on a world scale is a buffet table that gives variety. In a nation or a city, it's a bowel of sewage you're forced to eat.
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Reply #443 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:45pm
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 9:47pm:
I don't know if these words are the parts of your culture. But It shows only unpolite and lack of education.

Fortunately, you are not the representative of Australian, otherwise I have to focus on education problems here a little more.

And obviously, you can not build a better Australia with these words.

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 9:18pm:
Multiculturalism is for idiots, the underminers and the chronically neurotic. Who in his right mind would say, 'I live like this because every other way of life is as good as any other'.

It's fvcken
l
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
nacy
, as DRAH would say.



My education is just fine I had the same education as many tens of thousand of your countrymen pay for each year in our education system.

Build a better Australia. Your not here to build a better Australia! If it wasnt already better than anything your culture could provide you wouldnt have come here to take advantage of it in the first place!
Australia was demonstrably a "Better" place before the mass immigrations from non European countries in the last 30 years!
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Reply #444 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:49pm
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 1:45pm:
I said many times "I am Australian too." If you do not forget or ignore particularly.

No one force you to learn other language. But it's you blaming there is a separated society.

I said many times. Be a friend or leave me a lone. I already tried to join with you. I learn English and communicate with you in English. I did many thing you didn't.

If you do not want to understand me still, so be it.




You really have no understanding of what we are talking about do you?
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Reply #445 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 4:43am
 
This is what exactly made the separated society. Don't blame any others. It's you.

mutation wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:32pm:
Moving to a country which your own culture cannot produce to take advantage of the opportunities available but rejecting the culture that provided it in preference to your own is the quintessential act of Racism! As the Christians say "First remove the Log from your own eye before you remove the mote from mine"

Its not your human right if done without invitation and unconditional intent to assimilate and embrace the host culture its passive invasion!

Yes you may be a citizen but your not an Australian! A piece of paper given to you by someone without the mandate to do so is exactly that a piece of paper worthless and meaningless,.The arrogance that you think that piece of paper gives you the same right to decide the future of this country as someone who has been here for 7 generation is repulsive.
No its not decided by me but if it isnt decided by the people of this country(and it isnt) then its not legitimate.

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Reply #446 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 4:44am
 
I understand what you are talking about. You are wrong and hurting Australia. It's so simple.

mutation wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:49pm:
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 1:45pm:
I said many times "I am Australian too." If you do not forget or ignore particularly.

No one force you to learn other language. But it's you blaming there is a separated society.

I said many times. Be a friend or leave me a lone. I already tried to join with you. I learn English and communicate with you in English. I did many thing you didn't.

If you do not want to understand me still, so be it.




You really have no understanding of what we are talking about do you?

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Reply #447 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 8:22am
 
I support people being multicultural, but not a country.. I do not believe the country can call its self multicultrual as a whole when they gather up people whom are not multicultural (gathering poeple with distinct cultures) and putting them all together then say "we are multicultural" that's not multicultural that's "we are segregated" when you have everybody dropping their distinct cultures, and embrasing a multiculture (picking their fav bits out of each culture) then you can support multiculture..
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Reply #448 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 9:04am
 
I agree with your opinion partially. The culture of society should be mixed by different cultures not separated by different cultures.

However, you can see there are many guys attempt to keep single culture in Australia even in this forum. Because of them, the multiculturalism is still necessary. Because we need the multiculturalism to protect the equal between different cultures. Without multiculturalism, I swear these guys will attempt to force others to follow their culture. It will make big problem in Australia.



Younme wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 8:22am:
I support people being multicultural, but not a country.. I do not believe the country can call its self multicultrual as a whole when they gather up people whom are not multicultural (gathering poeple with distinct cultures) and putting them all together then say "we are multicultural" that's not multicultural that's "we are segregated" when you have everybody dropping their distinct cultures, and embrasing a multiculture (picking their fav bits out of each culture) then you can support multiculture..

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Reply #449 - Nov 3rd, 2012 at 9:19am
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 9:04am:
I agree with your opinion partially. The culture of society should be mixed by different cultures not separated by different cultures.

However, you can see there are many guys attempt to keep single culture in Australia even in this forum. Because of them, the multiculturalism is still necessary. Because we need the multiculturalism to protect the equal between different cultures. Without multiculturalism, I swear these guys will attempt to force others to follow their culture. It will make big problem in Australia.



Younme wrote on Nov 3rd, 2012 at 8:22am:
I support people being multicultural, but not a country.. I do not believe the country can call its self multicultrual as a whole when they gather up people whom are not multicultural (gathering poeple with distinct cultures) and putting them all together then say "we are multicultural" that's not multicultural that's "we are segregated" when you have everybody dropping their distinct cultures, and embrasing a multiculture (picking their fav bits out of each culture) then you can support multiculture..



It is only a problem if you come here unwilling to assimilate, but holding onto your own culture. When are you going to understand first cause? Your attitude causes the problems, but you are blaming us for not fixing them.
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