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Question: Do you support multiculturalism?

Yes. Diversity leads to unity and enrichment.    
  53 (42.7%)
No. How can disunity lead to unity?    
  53 (42.7%)
Undecided.    
  8 (6.5%)
Other.    
  10 (8.1%)




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Reply #405 - Nov 1st, 2012 at 5:24pm
 
Bo-wen = 博闻 = knowledgeable Smiley


Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 4:53pm:
Bo-wen (博  文 - rich culture??),

1. You came to Australia to pursue your own interests, as an individual, not as an ambassador for your culture. As an individual. Personal merit (if you came as a skilled migrant). Not cultural merit.

2. Immigration didn't ask you about your culture because it doesn't matter. Nobody asked you to bring your culture - or to leave it completely behind you.


3. Your bringing your culture here for us to respect it or even like it was never part of the deal. The only deal was that you have a certain level of English and that you acknowledge the laws and customs of this country and that you have a level of individual merit that this country needs and accepts. There was nothing about us needing to learn to like your culture or learn your language. If your cultural practices contribute to life here, people ill like your contribution. Otherwise it's either keep it to yourself  if it's not illegal or stop it if it is. BTW, what are the great Chinese cultural practices that Australia has been missing out on?



When I join Australia, I believe the equal and human rights are parts of the deal. And my freedom of religions is part of my human rights. 

I never ask you to like my culture. When I ask you to respect my culture, actually I ask you to respect the rights that I live in my own culture. Be a friend or leave me alone. That's all.

I think what you said is not too far from what I expect. I never said, you can not criticize our oracle.

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4. Australia being an immigrant country doesn't mean that people here have to tolerate or even respect every other cultural practice, and they rightly don't.



I'm not quite sure what the meaning of "tolerate". When an practice of other culture is in the law, what will you do if you do not want to "tolerate"?

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5. Apart from Chinese and Australians, do you know any other ethnicities here? Or do you live in a Chinese ghetto?  There are people from over 200 different nationalities in this country. You'd better start learning some community languages yourself. Restricting yourself to English is, by your own reckoning, a 'racialist' attitude.




I just use Chinese as an example. Because I can discuss in details, and use myself as an example. I try my best to communicate with my neighbors with the method they can accept. And I won't blame them only because they do not speak my language.


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Reply #406 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 9:51am
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 5:24pm:


I never ask you to like my culture. When I ask you to respect my culture, actually I ask you to respect the rights that I live in my own culture. Be a friend or leave me alone. That's all.




That is a nice climb down from expecting us to learn about your culture and your language.

Oh, BTW, that's another example of our inequality - your culture and language is not regarded as equal.

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Reply #407 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 9:58am
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 8:27am:
As the new project of Fed government, to learn a secondary language.

Every Chinese children learn English. Why not you learn some Chinese?

Many western people in China do not understand Chinese especially 10 years ago.

Chinese do not hesitate to communicate with them in English on the road side in China.

Why not you can do the similar thing?




They learn English because it is in their interest. They are not learning, say, Greek or Arabic or Hindi. You have learned English because it was in your interest.

People will learn Chinese when it is in their interest. It isn't now - because most of you guys are learning English already. As are the Brazilians, Arabs, Greeks, even the French.

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Reply #408 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:05am
 
Yes, you do not need to learn. But if you do not try to understand others. You are the reason of the separated society. Do not blame others.

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 9:51am:
Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 5:24pm:


I never ask you to like my culture. When I ask you to respect my culture, actually I ask you to respect the rights that I live in my own culture. Be a friend or leave me alone. That's all.




That is a nice climb down from expecting us to learn about your culture and your language.

Oh, BTW, that's another example of our inequality - your culture and language is not regarded as equal.


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Reply #409 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:08am
 
Chinese children learn English because China want to open to the world.

And you learn a secondary language because you do not want a separated society.

If you do not care, no one force you to learn while you are not a child I guess.

Then don't blame others. It's you making the separated society.

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 9:58am:
Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 8:27am:
As the new project of Fed government, to learn a secondary language.

Every Chinese children learn English. Why not you learn some Chinese?

Many western people in China do not understand Chinese especially 10 years ago.

Chinese do not hesitate to communicate with them in English on the road side in China.

Why not you can do the similar thing?




They learn English because it is in their interest. They are not learning, say, Greek or Arabic or Hindi. You have learned English because it was in your interest.

People will learn Chinese when it is in their interest. It isn't now - because most of you guys are learning English already. As are the Brazilians, Arabs, Greeks, even the French.


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Reply #410 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:37am
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:08am:
Chinese children learn English because China want to open to the world.

And you learn a secondary language because you do not want a separated society.

If you do not care, no one force you to learn while you are not a child I guess.

Then don't blame others. It's you making the separated society.



This doesn't make sense to me.

English opens the Chinese to the world.
Australians speak English already = are open to the world.

You are saying that if the Chinese are learning English, they are open to the world but if Australians speak English, they are not open to the world.

Is this Confucianism?
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Reply #411 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:43am
 
HAHA, The world is not only English. Don't you feel it too absurd?

Open is not one-sided. You are right, if Anglo Australian do not learn any secondary language, they are not open to the world.

English is not the world, English is a part of the world.

Don't you understand a so simple truth?

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:37am:
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:08am:
Chinese children learn English because China want to open to the world.

And you learn a secondary language because you do not want a separated society.

If you do not care, no one force you to learn while you are not a child I guess.

Then don't blame others. It's you making the separated society.



This doesn't make sense to me.

English opens the Chinese to the world.
Australians speak English already = are open to the world.

You are saying that if the Chinese are learning English, they are open to the world but if Australians speak English, they are not open to the world.

Is this Confucianism?
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Reply #412 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:56am
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:43am:
HAHA, The world is not only English. Don't you feel it too absurd?

Open is not one-sided. You are right, if Anglo Australian do not learn any secondary language, they are not open to the world.

English is not the world, English is a part of the world.

Don't you understand a so simple truth?


I have been all around the world and besides a passport there are only two things that you really need. US dollars and English. Chinese is simply not required.
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Reply #413 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:23am
 
That's because your forefather killed so many people and plunder so many land in about 300 years. However, it's only a short period in the history.

And the world won't be always like this. Even the government of US and Australia know that. Only you do not know the world is changing.

The only way for human being is merge together. Otherwise there will be more war and blood. And the nuclear weapons make the world more dangerous. If different main countries fight each others again all of us will die.

Join together is the only way. So stop you dream and join me to build a better world. OK?


Quantum wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:56am:
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:43am:
HAHA, The world is not only English. Don't you feel it too absurd?

Open is not one-sided. You are right, if Anglo Australian do not learn any secondary language, they are not open to the world.

English is not the world, English is a part of the world.

Don't you understand a so simple truth?


I have been all around the world and besides a passport there are only two things that you really need. US dollars and English. Chinese is simply not required.
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Reply #414 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:33am
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:23am:
The only way for human being is merge together.


Actually mate, that's a recipe for internal conflict.  There are 2 ways to avoid the "war and blood" you speak of - complete totalitarain domination under one banner, or complete segregation.  Which would you prefer?  I reckon I'll pick option 3 - accept that conflict and suffering are inevitable, and go on living your life.
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Reply #415 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:35am
 
... wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:33am:
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:23am:
The only way for human being is merge together.


Actually mate, that's a recipe for internal conflict.  There are 2 ways to avoid the "war and blood" you speak of - complete totalitarain domination under one banner, or complete segregation.  Which would you prefer?  I reckon I'll pick option 3 - accept that conflict and suffering are inevitable, and go on living your life.

Don't complain about it if your going to actively perpetuate it.
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Reply #416 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:38am
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:35am:
... wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:33am:
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:23am:
The only way for human being is merge together.


Actually mate, that's a recipe for internal conflict.  There are 2 ways to avoid the "war and blood" you speak of - complete totalitarain domination under one banner, or complete segregation.  Which would you prefer?  I reckon I'll pick option 3 - accept that conflict and suffering are inevitable, and go on living your life.

Don't complain about it if your going to actively perpetuate it.


I don't complain about what I support and therefore perpetuate.   Huh

You're even more vapid than usual today mate.  Is something the matter?

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Reply #417 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:53am
 
There is another choice. To live together in peace with democracy and liberty.

And segregation in 21st century will only lead to destroy. When people do not believe understanding of each others is necessary. They won't hesitate to kill all others who is different from them. When both side have nuclear weapons. The only result is destroy each others.

The only way is to understand each others.

Anglo and Saxon fight each others in the history. Why not fight today? Because thay are became Anglo-Saxon. Can you tell me which part of your culture is from Anglo and which part if from Saxon? Is that true that all your culture is from Anglo or all you culture is from Saxon?

Your culture is mixed by Anglo and Saxon. That what we should do between you and me.

It's same for Chinese culture. Han, Manchu, Mongol, Hmong. Many different cultures.

There is no and never pure culture in the world.


... wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:33am:
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:23am:
The only way for human being is merge together.


Actually mate, that's a recipe for internal conflict.  There are 2 ways to avoid the "war and blood" you speak of - complete totalitarain domination under one banner, or complete segregation.  Which would you prefer?  I reckon I'll pick option 3 - accept that conflict and suffering are inevitable, and go on living your life.
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Reply #418 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 12:03pm
 
That's true - but not every cultural influence is good, or even equally good and so not every influence is to be accepted equally.

Your massive mistake is that you speak as if all cultures were equally good. They are not.

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Reply #419 - Nov 2nd, 2012 at 12:06pm
 
Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:53am:
And segregation in 21st century will only lead to destroy. When people do not believe understanding of each others is necessary. They won't hesitate to kill all others who is different from them. When both side have nuclear weapons. The only result is destroy each others.


I don't think you understand what COMPLETE segregation means.  Hard to kill someone if you have no contact with them whatsoever. 

There is a place for everyone on this earth, but that doesn't mean every place should be open to every person.
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