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Reply #180 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 9:14am

I caught a lunchtime train at Central yesterday and the only other white people on the platform were two German speaking Swiss backpackers. They seemed exotic and unususal.

I was looking at the faces of all these 'multicultural' people from SE Asia to Africa to South America and from everywhere in-between and what struck me after a while was - how dull most of these faces were. There didn't seem to be much light on inside, so to speak. They were not inscrutable but dull. I looked at the two Swiss girls and there was a spark in their eyes, a certain light of intelligence.

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Reply #181 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:14am

Tsfen wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 12:04am:

If a person comes from another country they should embrace and conform to the Australian way of life and Australian values. This does not mean we ban kim chi. All it means is that there should be an expectation that people speak understandable English and have values consistent with Australian values such as freedom, democracy, peace and liberty.

That part I can agree with. There is plenty of room for, say Robbie Burns Nights or St Patrick's Day's Celebrations or Dragon Races as long as they comply with the above. Of course people who speak another language will probably go on speaking that language at home, although the next generation usually ends up preferring English. There is broad recognition that immigrants have to speak good enough English and the Immigration Department weights applicants according to this criterion as far as I'm aware.

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Reply #182 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:16am

muso wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:14am:

Tsfen wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 12:04am:

If a person comes from another country they should embrace and conform to the Australian way of life and Australian values. This does not mean we ban kim chi. All it means is that there should be an expectation that people speak understandable English and have values consistent with Australian values such as freedom, democracy, peace and liberty.

That part I can agree with. There is plenty of room for, say Robbie Burns Nights or St Patrick's Day's Celebrations or Dragon Races as long as they comply with the above. Of course people who speak another language will probably go on speaking that language at home, although the next generation usually ends up preferring English. There is broad recognition that immigrants have to speak good enough English and the Immigration Department weights applicants according to this criterion as far as I'm aware.

There are different English (British) languages, so which one is acceptable?

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Reply #183 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:20am

Soren wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 9:14am:

I caught a lunchtime train at Central yesterday and the only other white people on the platform were two German speaking Swiss backpackers. They seemed exotic and unususal.

I was looking at the faces of all these 'multicultural' people from SE Asia to Africa to South America and from everywhere in-between and what struck me after a while was - how dull most of these faces were. There didn't seem to be much light on inside, so to speak. They were not inscrutable but dull. I looked at the two Swiss girls and there was a spark in their eyes, a certain light of intelligence.

"Ah spark in the eyes" how Arian pathetic with a touch of colonial Anglo nostalgia, you mean like that:

But they are selfish and don't produce enough children.
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Reply #184 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 1:34pm

athos wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:16am:

muso wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:14am:

Tsfen wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 12:04am:

If a person comes from another country they should embrace and conform to the Australian way of life and Australian values. This does not mean we ban kim chi. All it means is that there should be an expectation that people speak understandable English and have values consistent with Australian values such as freedom, democracy, peace and liberty.

That part I can agree with. There is plenty of room for, say Robbie Burns Nights or St Patrick's Day's Celebrations or Dragon Races as long as they comply with the above. Of course people who speak another language will probably go on speaking that language at home, although the next generation usually ends up preferring English. There is broad recognition that immigrants have to speak good enough English and the Immigration Department weights applicants according to this criterion as far as I'm aware.

There are different English (British) languages, so which one is acceptable?

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Reply #185 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 3:44pm

athos wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:20am:

Soren wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 9:14am:

I caught a lunchtime train at Central yesterday and the only other white people on the platform were two German speaking Swiss backpackers. They seemed exotic and unususal.

I was looking at the faces of all these 'multicultural' people from SE Asia to Africa to South America and from everywhere in-between and what struck me after a while was - how dull most of these faces were. There didn't seem to be much light on inside, so to speak. They were not inscrutable but dull. I looked at the two Swiss girls and there was a spark in their eyes, a certain light of intelligence.

"Ah spark in the eyes" how Arian pathetic with a touch of colonial Anglo nostalgia, you mean like that:

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But they are selfish and don't produce enough children.
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Well, that's just it. All those dullards have just the one thing going for them: they are horny fvckers.

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Reply #186 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 3:50pm

athos wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 11:16am:

muso wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 10:14am:

Tsfen wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 12:04am:

If a person comes from another country they should embrace and conform to the Australian way of life and Australian values. This does not mean we ban kim chi. All it means is that there should be an expectation that people speak understandable English and have values consistent with Australian values such as freedom, democracy, peace and liberty.

That part I can agree with. There is plenty of room for, say Robbie Burns Nights or St Patrick's Day's Celebrations or Dragon Races as long as they comply with the above. Of course people who speak another language will probably go on speaking that language at home, although the next generation usually ends up preferring English. There is broad recognition that immigrants have to speak good enough English and the Immigration Department weights applicants according to this criterion as far as I'm aware.

There are different English (British) languages, so which one is acceptable?

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Reply #188 - Aug 7^th, 2011 at 9:30am

Multiculturalism is a western liberal fantasy. It is propagated only in western liberal societies and it is propagated as the 'best of' western liberal democracy. And it can be when all the various cultures intermingling are from the same western enlightenment tradition. Even then it' very iffy - Aborigines, for example, spent 40000 years killing each other.

When the other cultures that form the 'multi' aspect of it, they do not share the fundamental tenets of western liberal democracy.
Then it's just a way to undermine and destroy openness, tolerance and civic politeness.
If those other cultures do not accept the supreriority of western enlightened democracy then they will seek to undermine and destroy the very cultural foundation that makes multiuculturalist fantasy possible.
Just ask Abu if there is going to be multiculturalism under the caliphate. Cheesy

Or look at the incomprehending faces f the Chinese when you talk to them about rules and the law. Or the Buddhists when you tell thm about equality at birth.

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Reply #189 - Aug 7^th, 2011 at 9:48pm

Frances wrote on Aug 7^th, 2011 at 2:21am:

muso wrote on Aug 4^th, 2011 at 2:49pm:

If you don't support multiculturalism, what's the alternative?

Exactly

Australia is a multicultural society already, so it doesn't really matter what you think, because there is no alternative.....

The alternative is a policy of assimilation.

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Reply #190 - Aug 8^th, 2011 at 9:25am

Tsfen wrote on Aug 7^th, 2011 at 9:48pm:

Frances wrote on Aug 7^th, 2011 at 2:21am:

muso wrote on Aug 4^th, 2011 at 2:49pm:

If you don't support multiculturalism, what's the alternative?

Exactly

Australia is a multicultural society already, so it doesn't really matter what you think, because there is no alternative.....

The alternative is a policy of assimilation.

Can you explain how that would work in practical terms. Do we have a Department of Assimilation? (aka the Bureau of Over Regulated Government) whose job (among other things) it is to issue spot fines for people who don't speak English in public - and do tourists and those studying English in Australia get special exemptions?

Can you think it through to its conclusions a bit for us?

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Reply #191 - Aug 8^th, 2011 at 3:38pm

Frances wrote on Aug 7^th, 2011 at 2:21am:

muso wrote on Aug 4^th, 2011 at 2:49pm:

If you don't support multiculturalism, what's the alternative?

Exactly

Australia is a multicultural society already, so it doesn't really matter what you think, because there is no alternative.....

And 50 years ago, you might have said Australia is a white country so it doesn't really matter what you think, because there is no alternative.

If you support multiculturalism, take ownership of it - pretending there is no alternative is weak.

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Reply #192 - Aug 8^th, 2011 at 3:41pm

muso wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 9:25am:

Tsfen wrote on Aug 7^th, 2011 at 9:48pm:

Frances wrote on Aug 7^th, 2011 at 2:21am:

muso wrote on Aug 4^th, 2011 at 2:49pm:

If you don't support multiculturalism, what's the alternative?

Exactly

Australia is a multicultural society already, so it doesn't really matter what you think, because there is no alternative.....

The alternative is a policy of assimilation.

Can you explain how that would work in practical terms. Do we have a Department of Assimilation? (aka the Bureau of Over Regulated Government) whose job (among other things) it is to issue spot fines for people who don't speak English in public - and do tourists and those studying English in Australia get special exemptions?

Can you think it through to its conclusions a bit for us?

Seems pretty similar to the current situation whereby the BORG, operating under the banner of the HREOC, dictate what truths we can and can not acknowledge, just in case 'someone' might get offended.

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Reply #193 - Aug 8^th, 2011 at 4:21pm

... wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 3:41pm:

Seems pretty similar to the current situation whereby the BORG, operating under the banner of the HREOC, dictate what truths we can and can not acknowledge, just in case 'someone' might get offended.

OK, so let me get this right - the new BORG will no longer be a signatory to either the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, or the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights?

OK, that would put us on a par with, say Malaysia or Saudi Arabia. What's your stance on these other international treaties? Do they get the flick too?

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Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Convention on the Political Rights of Women
International Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Racial Discrimination
Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Discrimination against Women
Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman and Degrading Treatment or Punishment
Convention on the Rights of the Child
Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness
Convention relating to the Status of Stateless Persons
Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees
Slavery Convention of 1926
Supplementary Convention on Slavery
Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities

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Reply #194 - Aug 8^th, 2011 at 4:27pm

muso wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 4:21pm:

... wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 3:41pm:

Seems pretty similar to the current situation whereby the BORG, operating under the banner of the HREOC, dictate what truths we can and can not acknowledge, just in case 'someone' might get offended.

OK, so let me get this right - the new BORG will no longer be a signatory to either the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, or the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights?

OK, that would put us on a par with, say Malaysia or Saudi Arabia. What's your stance on these other international treaties? Do they get the flick too?

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Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Convention on the Political Rights of Women
International Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Racial Discrimination
Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Discrimination against Women
Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman and Degrading Treatment or Punishment
Convention on the Rights of the Child
Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness
Convention relating to the Status of Stateless Persons
Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees
Slavery Convention of 1926
Supplementary Convention on Slavery
Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities

Don't ask me - it's your fantasy.

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