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Reply #165 - Aug 2^nd, 2011 at 2:29pm

No culture is locked down. Ours continually evolves due to internal and external influences.

Acting like an "Australian" means a way different thing now than it did 20 years ago.

Dont get hung up on it. The current Australian culture is a powerful force which people gravitate to. Multiculturalism lets them hold on to things that new Australians find familiar. At the end of the day, its still their choice.

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Reply #166 - Aug 2^nd, 2011 at 2:53pm

... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2011 at 2:13pm:

athos wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2011 at 2:04pm:

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2007 at 5:02pm:

There has been no nation in history who has had multiculturism and succeded in the long run.

Only because there has been no nation in history that has 'succeded' in the long run.

What about China? They look after their minorities. They even exclude them from the one child policy. They have been round longer than any other large nation.

What about America?

lol. I wouldn't be holding the US up as a positive example if I were you.

They are still superpower.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22862 A cat with a view	Re: Do you support multiculturalism? If so, why? Reply #167 - Aug 2^nd, 2011 at 3:13pm athos wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2011 at 2:53pm: They [the U.S.A.] are still superpower. Barely, imo. In the last 100 years, they are certainly much reduced as a power for good in this world [again, imo].
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Reply #168 - Aug 2^nd, 2011 at 3:16pm

athos wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2011 at 2:53pm:

... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2011 at 2:13pm:

athos wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2011 at 2:04pm:

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2007 at 5:02pm:

There has been no nation in history who has had multiculturism and succeded in the long run.

Only because there has been no nation in history that has 'succeded' in the long run.

What about China? They look after their minorities. They even exclude them from the one child policy. They have been round longer than any other large nation.

What about America?

lol. I wouldn't be holding the US up as a positive example if I were you.

They are still superpower.

A superpower racked by internal conflict.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Do you support multiculturalism? If so, why? Reply #169 - Aug 4^th, 2011 at 2:49pm If you don't support multiculturalism, what's the alternative? Ban St Paddy's Day? Make the consumption of Kim Chi a capital offense? Get a hit squad to take out Morris dancers (hmmm, or maybe just the accordianists) or Dragon Boat rowers?
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Reply #170 - Aug 4^th, 2011 at 3:18pm

muso wrote on Aug 4^th, 2011 at 2:49pm:

If you don't support multiculturalism, what's the alternative? Ban St Paddy's Day? Make the consumption of Kim Chi a capital offense? Get a hit squad to take out Morris dancers (hmmm, or maybe just the accordianists) or Dragon Boat rowers?

Look at Japan....they function OK don't they?

If you can't find an alternative, it's because you've got your eyes closed.

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Reply #172 - Aug 5^th, 2011 at 11:39am

... wrote on Aug 4^th, 2011 at 3:18pm:

muso wrote on Aug 4^th, 2011 at 2:49pm:

If you don't support multiculturalism, what's the alternative? Ban St Paddy's Day? Make the consumption of Kim Chi a capital offense? Get a hit squad to take out Morris dancers (hmmm, or maybe just the accordianists) or Dragon Boat rowers?

Look at Japan....they function OK don't they?

If you can't find an alternative, it's because you've got your eyes closed.

Japan has totally different demographics to Australia, although they have small minority groups, including Koreans and Chinese.

Even despite that, they have the Ainu culture, and there are a number of Chinese and Korean restaurants. Of course, young people in Japan have pretty well embraced Western culture.

What I'm saying is that we're pretty well defined by our demographics and the fact that we're a nation of immigrants, excluding the Aborigines.

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Reply #173 - Aug 5^th, 2011 at 11:51am

muso wrote on Aug 5^th, 2011 at 11:39am:

... wrote on Aug 4^th, 2011 at 3:18pm:

muso wrote on Aug 4^th, 2011 at 2:49pm:

If you don't support multiculturalism, what's the alternative? Ban St Paddy's Day? Make the consumption of Kim Chi a capital offense? Get a hit squad to take out Morris dancers (hmmm, or maybe just the accordianists) or Dragon Boat rowers?

Look at Japan....they function OK don't they?

If you can't find an alternative, it's because you've got your eyes closed.

Japan has totally different demographics to Australia, although they have small minority groups, including Koreans and Chinese.

Even despite that, they have the Ainu culture, and there are a number of Chinese and Korean restaurants. Of course, young people in Japan have pretty well embraced Western culture.

What I'm saying is that we're pretty well defined by our demographics and the fact that we're a nation of immigrants, excluding the Aborigines.

A monocultural society is still not 100% of one culture - there always have been and always will be 'outsiders', just not in the same numbers as a multicultural one.
Japan might have totally different demographics NOW, but only because in the last few decades we've travelled down the multicultural route. 50 years back we were as monocultural as japan or israel.
Monoculturalism isn't about outlawing all other people and their traditions, it simply places greater importance on the host culture over imported cultures. Seems a pretty logical, common sense approach to me.

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Reply #174 - Aug 5^th, 2011 at 11:56am

... wrote on Aug 5^th, 2011 at 11:51am:

A monocultural society is still not 100% of one culture - there always have been and always will be 'outsiders', just not in the same numbers as a multicultural one.
Japan might have totally different demographics NOW, but only because in the last few decades we've travelled down the multicultural route. 50 years back we were as monocultural as japan or israel.
Monoculturalism isn't about outlawing all other people and their traditions, it simply places greater importance on the host culture over imported cultures. Seems a pretty logical, common sense approach to me.

But now, we're Multicultural. How do you propose to put the clock back 50 years? Apart from anything else, I'd like to know how there can be an alternative given our current reality.

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Reply #175 - Aug 5^th, 2011 at 12:09pm

muso wrote on Aug 5^th, 2011 at 11:56am:

... wrote on Aug 5^th, 2011 at 11:51am:

A monocultural society is still not 100% of one culture - there always have been and always will be 'outsiders', just not in the same numbers as a multicultural one.
Japan might have totally different demographics NOW, but only because in the last few decades we've travelled down the multicultural route. 50 years back we were as monocultural as japan or israel.
Monoculturalism isn't about outlawing all other people and their traditions, it simply places greater importance on the host culture over imported cultures. Seems a pretty logical, common sense approach to me.

But now, we're Multicultural. How do you propose to put the clock back 50 years?

ahhha you're trying to lure me into making a silly suggestion like 'deport all foreigners' and 'stop all immigration' now.
But I won't do that. I'll simply suggest that we drop the nonsensical notion that all cultures are compatible with each other and alter the criteria for citizenship accordingly. I don't really care how 'rich' your culture back home is, if you cannae speaka da english you are surplus to the requirements of this country. There is a reason why immigrants form 'ghettoes' - it's simply that people generally prefer the company of their own people. Denying this easily observable phenomenon in the name of a half baked newfangled ideology is sheer folly.

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Reply #176 - Aug 5^th, 2011 at 9:55pm

... wrote on Aug 5^th, 2011 at 12:09pm:

muso wrote on Aug 5^th, 2011 at 11:56am:

... wrote on Aug 5^th, 2011 at 11:51am:

A monocultural society is still not 100% of one culture - there always have been and always will be 'outsiders', just not in the same numbers as a multicultural one.
Japan might have totally different demographics NOW, but only because in the last few decades we've travelled down the multicultural route. 50 years back we were as monocultural as japan or israel.
Monoculturalism isn't about outlawing all other people and their traditions, it simply places greater importance on the host culture over imported cultures. Seems a pretty logical, common sense approach to me.

But now, we're Multicultural. How do you propose to put the clock back 50 years?

ahhha you're trying to lure me into making a silly suggestion like 'deport all foreigners' and 'stop all immigration' now.
But I won't do that.

I'm not trying to do anything like that. I'm trying to understand what you do want, because everybody seems to have their own idea of what the term Multicultural actually means. So, for example an engineer from Singapore who speaks fluent English would be acceptable?

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Reply #177 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 12:04am

I do not support a multicultural society - that is - one where there are several cultures that are not integrated and assimilated. That does not mean that I do not support people of different backgrounds coming here.

If a person comes from another country they should embrace and conform to the Australian way of life and Australian values. This does not mean we ban kim chi. All it means is that there should be an expectation that people speak understandable English and have values consistent with Australian values such as freedom, democracy, peace and liberty.

Further, they should not pressure Australia into accommodating their cultures. If you want kosher/halal meat, you go to the halal butcher and you pay twice the price. You do not start a political party or pressure group to turn Australia into Jerusalem or Mecca. You do not rape women because they don't cover up. You do not live in enclaves and ghettos that isolate your demographic from everyone else. When people who come here to begin a new life start trying to make Australia conform to their beliefs/religion/culture they stop being immigrants and refugees and start becoming settlers.

I do not believe in settlers. Assimilate or perish.

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Reply #178 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 1:28am

Tsfen wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 12:04am:

I do not support a multicultural society - that is - one where there are several cultures that are not integrated and assimilated. That does not mean that I do not support people of different backgrounds coming here.

If a person comes from another country they should embrace and conform to the Australian way of life and Australian values. This does not mean we ban kim chi. All it means is that there should be an expectation that people speak understandable English and have values consistent with Australian values such as freedom, democracy, peace and liberty.

Further, they should not pressure Australia into accommodating their cultures. If you want kosher/halal meat, you go to the halal butcher and you pay twice the price. You do not start a political party or pressure group to turn Australia into Jerusalem or Mecca. You do not rape women because they don't cover up. You do not live in enclaves and ghettos that isolate your demographic from everyone else. When people who come here to begin a new life start trying to make Australia conform to their beliefs/religion/culture they stop being immigrants and refugees and start becoming settlers.

I do not believe in settlers. Assimilate or perish.

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Reply #179 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 8:04am

Tsfen wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 12:04am:

I do not support a multicultural society - that is - one where there are several cultures that are not integrated and assimilated.

Assimilated? in What?

Maybe you should start giving people for free Blue Coloured Contact Lenses to fabricate True Blue Aussies.

Maybe like that:

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