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skeptic Full Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 188	Re: Bible is a crock-god doesnt exist. Reply #30 - Apr 18^th, 2007 at 11:24am Quote: ok skeptic my opionion: I agree about pluto u agree with who? me or freediver? do u think seeing Pluto is proof that it exists?
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created(Guest) Guest	Re: Bible is a crock-god doesnt exist. Reply #31 - Apr 18^th, 2007 at 11:27am take it easy skeptic that is off topic anyways btw I'm outta here until the religion stuff's sorted bye.
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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41823 Gender:	Hi guest Reply #32 - Apr 19^th, 2007 at 10:51am Don't be too affronted by people taking spirituality to task. "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." Proverbs 27:17
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53201 At my desk.	Re: Bible is a crock-god doesnt exist. Reply #33 - Apr 19^th, 2007 at 2:01pm sorted how?
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Reply #34 - Apr 20^th, 2007 at 7:30am

skeptic wrote on Apr 18^th, 2007 at 11:06am:

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2007 at 11:04am:

The difference between a random light in the sky and pluto is not what you see, but how you interpret it. It depends on your model of the universe. Thus it is not proof of pluto's existence.

so if seeing Pluto is not evidence of it's existence, then what at i looking at when i see it through my telescope?

You must have a pretty powerful telescope there, Skeptic. And not live in Australia.

Pluto wasnt located until 1930, and even then it was only due to tracking light across photographic plates using a massive telescope located at alpine level (2000m+).

Even with that massive telescope, you wouldnt be able to pick out Pluto from any other star in the night sky.

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Reply #35 - Apr 20^th, 2007 at 7:51am

skeptic wrote on Apr 18^th, 2007 at 11:24am:

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ok skeptic my opionion: I agree about pluto

u agree with who? me or freediver?
do u think seeing Pluto is proof that it exists?

Seeing a light in the sky through your telescope doesn't prove that Pluto exists as a planet (which is what I presume is the point of this argument). It only proves that you can find a light in the sky which looks no different from another light, and that someone told you that light was Pluto, and that Pluto is a planet. You will be unable to determine any characteristics of Pluto, therefore you can only trust what someone else has told you is true. That is, you believe that light is planet Pluto because of scientific theory.

Now consider the God argument. There is no doubt that Jesus did exist, and he looked no different from any other man. Now suppose someone tells you that Jesus is the son of God (and therefore he is God, as part of the Holy Trinity). Does he become God, just because someone told you he was God? I mean, you can see him, but he looks just the same as every other man. If you choose to believe in the scriptures, then he must be God.

There is no proof that either Pluto is a planet, or Jesus was God. They are both just principles that certain people believe to be true. Faith.

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oceans_blue Ex Member	Re: Bible is a crock-god doesnt exist. Reply #36 - Apr 20^th, 2007 at 10:10am Everyones raving on about stars and pluto- but nooen is telling me they can prove GOD exists!!!!! Come on --back on topic. Or is it because you cant prove he exist-so therefore he is NOT real?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53201 At my desk.	Re: Bible is a crock-god doesnt exist. Reply #37 - Apr 20^th, 2007 at 11:00am I think that question has already been answered, and the pluto thing was part of the answer.
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Reply #38 - Apr 20^th, 2007 at 5:08pm

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Everyones raving on about stars and pluto- but nooen is telling me they can prove GOD exists!!!!!

Come on --back on topic.

Or is it because you cant prove he exist-so therefore he is NOT real?

We are on topic. If you cannot prove Pluto exists in the physical realm, how can you prove God exists on a spiritual level?

How can humanity be proven to exist? You will say because it is real in the physical world. But when does each human start to exist? Is it at the time you were conceived? The time you were born? The time that you became aware of your existence?

These are important concepts, because prior to your being in the physical world, you did not exist. And you will not exist in 100 years time. So when you are not existing, where are you?

I see this is the reason that spirituality and God(s) become an important part of many people's lives, to neatly explain human existence.

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Reply #39 - Apr 24^th, 2007 at 11:14am

AUShole wrote on Apr 20^th, 2007 at 5:08pm:

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Everyones raving on about stars and pluto- but nooen is telling me they can prove GOD exists!!!!!

Come on --back on topic.

Or is it because you cant prove he exist-so therefore he is NOT real?

We are on topic. If you cannot prove Pluto exists in the physical realm, how can you prove God exists on a spiritual level?

How can humanity be proven to exist? You will say because it is real in the physical world. But when does each human start to exist? Is it at the time you were conceived? The time you were born? The time that you became aware of your existence?

These are important concepts, because prior to your being in the physical world, you did not exist. And you will not exist in 100 years time. So when you are not existing, where are you?

I see this is the reason that spirituality and God(s) become an important part of many people's lives, to neatly explain human existence.

We start at conception. There can be no other beginning

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