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Reply #30 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 1:57pm
 
I dont know how to give you the link for that pic, so leave it then' or ask Aus Nat to remove it as you asked me.

I dont care anymore...I dont want be the keeper of values on here, its not my job
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Reply #31 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 2:19pm
 
In a community, everyone is a keeper of values. I don't want it to be my job either. I don't want to impose values which the members of this forum do not share.

Just post a link to the thread page. Each page of a thread has a different URL. Just copy and paste it from the address bar. Don't worry if it isn't a 'functioning' link as we can copy and paste it back into our address bar. There are also instructions on the feedback board on posting links.
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Jury retires in Palm Island riot case
Reply #32 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 7:15pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Jury-retires-in-Palm-Island-riot-case/2007/03/21/1174153123944.html

A jury charged with deciding whether four men violently rioted on Palm Island in November 2004 has retired to consider its verdicts.



Teen 'heard voices' before raping child

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Teen-heard-voices-before-raping-child/2007/03/21/1174153135901.html

A teenage petrol sniffer heard voices that "made him horny" shortly before he raped a five-year-old boy at a remote Aboriginal community, a court has heard.

The 18-year-old was sentenced to four-and-a-half years prison, suspended immediately, in Alice Springs last week after pleading guilty to the crime in November.

He was 15 and staying with his uncle when he sodomised the boy at a Barkly community in the Northern Territory on October 23, 2004.

Before sentencing the youth, Justice Angel noted that he had also been sexually abused as a child and that he claimed to have heard voices.

Mr Angel also said the matter had taken a long time to move through the judicial system, and that the teenager had been in prison since his arrest in 2004.
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Reply #33 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 8:28pm
 
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Before sentencing the youth, Justice Angel noted that he had also been sexually abused as a child and that he claimed to have heard voices.


Its a vicious cycle - the children are raped and they grow up to rape.  How did we let this happen.  Nobody knows what the answer is.  Perhaps it's the fact that 200 years ago the aboriginals were brutalised and murdered to such an extent that they have lost touch with their values.

Some aboriginals are punished harshly - others aren't.  They are all entitled to justice - although for many years in some communities they were allowed to use their tribal justice which apparently was effective.

But it seems that alcohol is definitely the most dangerous issue.  How do we stop people drinking?  The rapes and beatings go on with white people as well - but there's always a neighbour or somebody near by who can contact the authorities to put a stop to it, but in black communities - there is a code of silence so it's rarely brought to the attention of the authorities and if it is - do they really care?



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Reply #34 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 9:59pm
 
excellent points mantra..

and a lot of these commnuities are way out in the bush..no police on call or even within an hour to help women and children sliced up by broken bottles , babies dropped in fires because of a drunken parent staggering around with a tiny infant..Couples ahving sex beside sleeping or even children awake and in full veiw..all these are done by adults in an alcohloic state.


yes there is a cycle of abuse, sexual and physical violence and it does go around that victims become perpetrators. But they still cannot make decisions for theyre consciences or other wise whilst they are drunk
  mantra , i think this would go a good way to explain the loss of values in their society..and the introduction of alcohol is the single biggest destroyer of Indigenous commnuities..very few can handle it the way whites can.

Mantra says...

" - the children are raped and they grow up to rape.  How did we let this happen.  Nobody knows what the answer is.  Perhaps it's the fact that 200 years ago the aboriginals were brutalised and murdered to such an extent that they have lost touch with their values."
 I would wholeheartedly agree with that.
We stop pple drinking by legislation and communities who are vigilant and who give  a care, the solutions lie with Indigenous commuities..they just need strategies to help them cope and implement good plans of action, so they do need eduactors to get them statred in the right direction...They have to reinstill values back into their lives and rather than educate the young pple with the old culture so much, they have to update it , so it becomes relevant to their lives .


Education by their own trained professionals is the way in schools especially, health care etc..They need theyre own pple to show them the way. Not patronising whites who cannot conceive what it is like to be born black and into a marginalised minority, and fight for freedoms and recognition in your own land.

They are marginalised, ignored and kept out of sight.       Genocide by stealth..ie: deliberate neglectful inaction by Government...theyll drink themselves to death sooner rather than later...let em go...........its murderous!!

Nothing less then murderous.
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Qld police 'persecute poor, indigenous'
Reply #35 - Jun 14th, 2007 at 5:29pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Qld-police-persecute-poor-indigenous/2007/06/14/1181414447317.html

Queensland's indigenous people and the homeless suffer high levels of police harassment, according to a report by legal and community groups.

Commissioned by a coalition of legal organisations including the Queensland Council of Social Service (QCOSS) and community groups such as the Red Cross, the No Vagrancy report calls for a number of investigations into allegations police persecute the socially vulnerable.

Report chairpersons Bob Weatherall, an Aboriginal elder, and chair of Legal Aid Queensland Marg O'Donnell interviewed 131 people from Brisbane and Townsville living in poverty and surveyed 54 criminal justice professionals.

They found people experiencing poverty endure high levels of police interference in their lives, with approximately 75 per cent of interviewees making allegations of police harassment.

At least 20 people said they were frequently searched by police for no apparent reason, and some reported they had been strip-searched in public or by an officer of the opposite sex.

Many indigenous interviewees said they believe police target them on the streets simply because of their skin colour.
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Reply #36 - Jun 14th, 2007 at 6:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 14th, 2007 at 5:29pm:
...Queensland's indigenous people and the homeless suffer high levels of police harassment, according to a report by legal and community groups.

Commissioned by a coalition of legal organisations including the Queensland Council of Social Service (QCOSS) and community groups such as the Red Cross, the No Vagrancy report calls for a number of investigations into allegations police persecute the socially vulnerable.

Report chairpersons Bob Weatherall, an Aboriginal elder, and chair of Legal Aid Queensland Marg O'Donnell interviewed 131 people from Brisbane and Townsville living in poverty and surveyed 54 criminal justice professionals.

They found people experiencing poverty endure high levels of police interference in their lives, with approximately 75 per cent of interviewees making allegations of police harassment.

At least 20 people said they were frequently searched by police for no apparent reason, and some reported they had been strip-searched in public or by an officer of the opposite sex.

Many indigenous interviewees said they believe police target them on the streets simply because of their skin colour.


It is very sad that some of the people who join the army and police force do so because they have the inclination to dominate and be aggressive, abusing a position of authority.  I wonder if psychological assessment and background investigation coudl prevent these people from becoming police/army members in the first place. Or if training/counselling could redirect the attitude in a useful fashion.
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Reply #37 - Jun 14th, 2007 at 7:24pm
 
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freediver wrote on Jun 14th, 2007 at 5:29pm:
...Queensland's indigenous people and the homeless suffer high levels of police harassment, according to a report by legal and community groups.

Commissioned by a coalition of legal organisations including the Queensland Council of Social Service (QCOSS) and community groups such as the Red Cross, the No Vagrancy report calls for a number of investigations into allegations police persecute the socially vulnerable.

Report chairpersons Bob Weatherall, an Aboriginal elder, and chair of Legal Aid Queensland Marg O'Donnell interviewed 131 people from Brisbane and Townsville living in poverty and surveyed 54 criminal justice professionals.

They found people experiencing poverty endure high levels of police interference in their lives, with approximately 75 per cent of interviewees making allegations of police harassment.

At least 20 people said they were frequently searched by police for no apparent reason, and some reported they had been strip-searched in public or by an officer of the opposite sex.

Many indigenous interviewees said they believe police target them on the streets simply because of their skin colour.


It is very sad that some of the people who join the army and police force do so because they have the inclination to dominate and be aggressive, abusing a position of authority.  I wonder if psychological assessment and background investigation coudl prevent these people from becoming police/army members in the first place. Or if training/counselling could redirect the attitude in a useful fashion.



This is correct connie..

Police should have extensive background and psycholigcal checks..updated periodically .This would weed out some of the offenders.

The Ind. man Doomagee was hit so hard, by a cop..his liver was split in two.

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Reply #38 - Jun 14th, 2007 at 8:41pm
 
The copper must be responsible. He and Mr Domagee enter a cell, Mr Domagee dies from injuries.

I have known coppers, their job is terrible.
Many of the people they deal with hate them, imagine that in your everyday job ?
They deal with a lot of pain in their job daily. The see the worst of humans. They become embittered and sarcastic, their only associates are other cops.
They become very hardened, as a necessity.
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Reply #39 - Jun 14th, 2007 at 8:50pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 14th, 2007 at 8:41pm:
The copper must be responsible. He and Mr Domagee enter a cell, Mr Domagee dies from injuries.

I have known coppers, their job is terrible.
Many of the people they deal with hate them, imagine that in your everyday job ?
They deal with a lot of pain in their job daily. The see the worst of humans. They become embittered and sarcastic, their only associates are other cops.
They become very hardened, as a necessity.



Agreed Sprint,

I never be a cop. Im too shocked by pain and suffering..their job is so hard,and i wouldnt do it for a million dollars a yr let alone what they are paid. BUT..they must also follow the guidelines laid down in theyre training and not transgress those boundaries..if they do..law and order go out the window and we become an lawless society..we look up to Police to protect us.Anarchy will reign.

They should be debreifed regularly and have professional counselling regularly to assess if they becoming hardened and traumatised by theyre work, especially those in the front line such as Palm Island Police.

Its a tough job. I wouldnt do it.
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Reply #40 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 12:38pm
 
Mulrunji Doomadgee's death
Jun 21st, 2007, 11:14pm    What is legal is not always what is just.



Calm in Palm Island after verdict
A Queensland police officer charged after a Palm Island man died in his custody has been found not guilty of manslaughter and not guilty of assault.
The officer would be immediately reinstated and posted to the Gold Coast.
The Townsville Supreme Court jury of eight women and four men today took just over three hours to deliver its not guilty verdict on both charges.
Senior Sergeant Chris Hurley pleaded not guilty to one count each of manslaughter and assault over Mulrunji Doomadgee's death at the Palm Island watchhouse on November 19, 2004.
The death triggered riots on the island.
Last week, the trial heard Mr Doomadgee had died of internal bleeding after his liver was cleaved in two across his spine and his portal vein burst.
The injuries resulted from the application of what was described to the court as moderate to massive force.
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Reply #41 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 12:39pm
 
It's hard to believe that they could pass off that much damage to a person as an accident.

Aborigines to march on Qld parliament

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Aborigines-to-march-on-Qld-parliament/2007/06/22/1182019319298.html

Aborigines will march on Queensland's parliament house to protest about the acquittal of Senior Sergeant Chris Hurley over the death in custody of Mulrunji Doomadgee.

The march also will highlight concerns about Prime Minister John Howard's wide-ranging response to the problem of child abuse in the Northern Territory's indigenous communities, which includes bans on alcohol and pornography.

"We believe there should be a royal commission into the death in custody of Mulrunji Doomadgee," Mr Watson said.

Townsville hits back at KKK slur

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Townsville-hits-back-at-KKK-slur/2007/06/21/1182019278478.html

Townsville Mayor Tony Mooney has hit out after the north Queensland city was dubbed the Ku Klux Klan capital of Australia in the wake of a policeman's acquittal over a death in custody.

Aboriginal activist Murrandoo Yanner said he was not surprised by the verdict.

"I know Townsville well. Honestly (it's) the KKK capital of Australia, that's no joke," he told reporters.
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Reply #42 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 6:01pm
 
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Palm Island family mulls civil action
Thursday Jun 21 09:55 AEST
A lawyer for the family of Mulrunji Doomadgee says the door is still open to pursue legal action against the police officer cleared of his manslaughter.

A Townsville jury found Senior Sergeant Chris Hurley not guilty of the manslaughter and assault of the 36-year-old Aborigine in the Palm Island watchhouse in north Queensland in November 2004.

The verdict has sparked anger and calls for the Doomadgee family to pursue civil action against Snr Sgt Hurley, Australia's first policeman charged over an Aboriginal death in custody.

Lawyer Andrew Boe said the family had asked him to investigate whether it could pursue further action against the officer, who acknowledged during the trial that his actions must have caused the death.

 
 
 
"The acceptance (by Snr Sgt Hurley) of having caused that injury by actions, albeit found by a jury in a criminal trial in the criminal standard as being not sufficient to attach criminal liability, I don't think closes the door on whether or not there's civil liability," Mr Boe told ABC radio.

Mulrunji died of internal bleeding after suffering a blow to the abdomen, which resulted in his liver being cleaved in two and his portal vein bursting, about an hour after being taken into custody for swearing.

Three medical experts testified the injuries could have occurred by Snr Sgt Hurley accidentally falling on top of Mulrunji with his knee protruding, or by the officer intentionally performing a "knee drop".

The officer told the court he "must have" fallen on top of Mulrunji, but added the incident was a "grey area."

Mr Boe said civil action could take place in a Supreme Court before a judge or jury.

He said civil courts had a lesser standard of proof than criminal courts."
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Reply #43 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 7:16pm
 
I COULDNT CARE LESS.
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