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Reply #15 - Mar 20th, 2007 at 8:08pm
 
Oh sorry I didn't realise Mulrunji Doomadgee was a paedophile. I guess it's the whole 'don't speak ill of the dead' thing that's keeping it quiet.
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Reply #16 - Mar 20th, 2007 at 9:01pm
 
Freediver..


You know what I mean.Im not going to explain it again..It seems you have had little to do with Indigenous communities or you would know the story about the high degree of sexual abuse amongst Abl communities. Its endemic and alchohol is one of the main reasons it happens.



I just have no respect for Ind drunks..none at all,even though I know they have all kinds of reasons for alcohol abuse..I also believe that at some point they have to get some guts and decency about themselves and stop the cycle of abuse., for the sake of theyre children.

If they want others to care they have to start caring about themselves.


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Reply #17 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 9:46am
 
If Mulrunji Doomadgee had been a white drunk, would you be so keen to excuse the injustice?
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Reply #18 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 11:25am
 
Injustice? There are all kinds of injustices far more damaging and newsworthy than Doomagee....lets get some perspective eh>?

Im far more concerned abiout justice for thiose who have no control over theyre lives such as children and animals.Doomagee chose to be a drunk, he knew his environment and how blackfellas get roughed up in jail..he wouldnt be the first to have been touched up freediver!! He knew the score, ran the gauntlet anyway, he paid the price.



Noones saying its right..but IT IS life for  Indigenous pple.

I think we could be more instruemental even on this board, with the way we respect Ind. pple....I have seen them referred to as all kinds of dreogatory names on here (dehumanising) and yet these names are left as is..'Coons' is the latest one. and connected to a very offensive pic.. Let consistency be the norm and we may get pple to care about what happens to pple like Doomagee.


The pic I refer to Is on the posters thread and depicts a black man lying drunk on a pavement. THAT IS DEHUMANISING!!!!!


Im amazed that moderators let this kind of thing be posted and only remove it after someone complains, when its clearly defamatory.

The pics of a boob and fat pple are asked to be removed but the 'coon' pic is OK? Angry
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Reply #19 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 11:32am
 
Let me get this right. Mulrunji wasn't a pedophile, didn't 'bother' the horses and didn't beat his wife. Yet you care not for justice for him because of the one mistake he did make - being born black. Why do white people deserve individual justice, but black people deserve group justice? Can the police kill black people randomly because of the crimes committed by other black people? You complain about a picture which allegedly dehumanises black people. If you weren't racist you wouldn't notice the skin colour, you would see a photo of a drunk passed out on the pavement. The racism is in your interpretation of the picture, not the picture itself.

What could be more dehumanising to a group of people than being murdered by those who supposedly represent law and order and denying them justice on the basis of skin colour?
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Reply #20 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:03pm
 
why are you being hostile freediver?


I already said it wasnt right...didnt I?

and 2 wrongs dont make a right..the pic of the black man IS derogatory and you saying its not wont change that will it?



As for justice...WHEN HAS THERE EVER BEEN JUSTICE FOR BLACK PPLE?.....If you can answer that for me please?
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Reply #21 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:08pm
 
Let me get this right. Mulrunji wasn't a pedophile, didn't 'bother' the horses and didn't beat his wife."
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who said he never did these things?...this was never reported!


Yopu need to live in a black community before we can have this discussion freediver.
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Reply #22 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:09pm
 
You said it wasn't right. You also said you didn't care whether Doomadgee got justice.

I'm not being hostile. I'm being argumentative.  Wink
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Reply #23 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:23pm
 
  If Mulrunji Doomadgee had been a white drunk, would you be so keen to excuse the injustice?  "
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here Freediver it  suits you to point out the color of Doomagees skin, but YOU are not rascist?
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You complain about a picture which allegedly dehumanises black people. If you weren't racist you wouldn't notice the skin colour, "
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This is your problem not mine..I was more concerned with the word 'coon' not that the man was actually balck..coomonsense Freediver please, you couldnt make that assertion stand up in court , so why try it on me?..COON IS a rascist term and linked to the picture infers plenty.!!!!.Let the picture stand Freediver, its your call.Only you can decide what is right and wrong for your forum....depends on your values.
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Its seems to me the reference to horses means you have me confused with the other female poster in here..I have made no such comments re horses.I never called Doomagee a peadophile and you are detremined to be contrary..I said black drunken men are responsible for most cases of sexual abuse on the children in these commnuities. You can read into my post what you like..but i prefer to deal with what is actually said not what I beieve is inferered as then it becomes a product of my own imagination and my arguement is stuffed.

I dont have time for drunks.I sound opiniontaed because it deeply disturbs me the abuse I see dished out to kids because of drunken black males. I sounds a bit harsh because it makes me angry. White males get bashed in custody too..and some die.


Go live among black pple with these social issues and then come back and we can talk...otherwise youlll never make sense to me., because I deal in reality .
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Reply #24 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:29pm
 
Can you answer this for me freediver..do you deny  that drunken black men..physically abuse and sexually abuse children and women?

its a straight question?
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Reply #25 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:50pm
 
Sure, so do sober white men. I just think it's irrelevant to whether Mulrunji Doomadgee deserves justice.
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Reply #26 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 12:58pm
 
On the racist picture issue, I have already indicated my preparedness to take action and my willingness to follow a democratic process in setting standards. Please post a link to the image in this thread:

http://ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1173137248
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Reply #27 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 1:31pm
 
  Sure, so do sober white men. I just think it's irrelevant to whether Mulrunji Doomadgee deserves justice "
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Doomage deserves justice OK?..but its a side issue when it comes to Palm Island real problems.
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Reply #28 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 1:39pm
 
You don't think that lack of faith in the justice system is a major barrier to solving the 'non-murder' problems also? What sort of message do you think this sends to the victims of Palm Island's other problems? Injustice has a habit of spreading from the top down. Some call it the 'kick the dog' syndrome.
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Reply #29 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 1:54pm
 
Look freediver Ive been argueing justice for black pple for a long time...so I do know what your saying but I think we got off on the wrong foot re this thread and Im done with this one for now.



having said all the things I have to highlights injustices,..I Do get very impatient with the drunks who not only give up on themselves but CANNOT see that it is destrotying theyre communities and most of all there children..This is not about a justice system for me , its abou human decency..Im tired of sticking up for them when they seem to do not very much to help themselves.

The children have no control and I stll say..I dont care about 'victims' like Domagee..he was no good to his pple anyway.The fact he was balck is neither here nor there..hes had too much publicity already.

These pple need to behave theirway to success..and stop whining..all these do gooders , me included, fighting for them and they give up on themselves..hows that working for them I wonder?]


The justice system will change for them when they get in and chage it..it has to come from them I think!!!!!

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