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Mar 16th, 2007 at 10:02am
 
I think this came up in another thread but I can't remember where.

Did the officer use excessive force?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Palm-Island-police-officer-to-face-court/2007/03/16/1173722695174.html

Queensland police Senior Sergeant Chris Hurley will face court in Townsville over a Palm Island death in custody.

Sen Sgt Hurley will face the Supreme Court charged with one count each of manslaughter and assault of 36-year-old Mulrunji Doomadgee at Palm Island, in north Queensland, on November 19, 2004.

Hurley was the senior officer on Palm Island, and arrested Doomadgee and placed him in custody.

The death sparked a riot on the island.
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Reply #1 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 10:17am
 
In this particular case I have no sympathy for the aboriginals of Palm Island.  It must be a nightmare of a place for any policeman to be stationed.  It sounds as though the whole population is out of control.  Palm Island has got a history of violence and this particular episode is one of the more disgusting:

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The RSPCA has discovered hundreds of horses on Palm Island have endured torture and neglect at the hands of teenagers in the Aboriginal community on the North Queensland island. The Queensland State Government has reportedly said it refused to get involved and take action despite clear "photographic and anecdotal evidence" and has proposed an 'education program'. RSPCA inspectors are understandably angered by the government's inaction in removing the tortured and neglected animals.

Senior inspectors with decades of experience were reduced to tears at the plight of some animals on the most recent trip to the island three weeks ago.

Veteran inspector Mal Holland said: "This is the worst case on a mass scale of cruelty and neglect we have ever seen in this state and our hands are tied. It is heart-breaking.

"The only way those horses can be saved is if you get them off the island."
When the inspectors pressed the government for action they got little responce:

Mr Holland's frustrated colleagues say they are also battling apathetic and scared bureaucrats who cite "cultural sensitivity".

The ABC's The World Today reports that the Aboriginal Community and the State Government have started pointing fingers at each other, Palm Island's Aboriginal Community Council Chairwoman, Delena Foster said

We actually asked RSPCA two years ago to come and help us with the situation, and we recently got some money through ATSIC to put on two animal control officers, so what we got them to do was actually build a yard that we could put the horses that had owners, and then the ones that didn't have owners we were going to barge them off the community.

The last time the RSPCA came out to have a look at the horses, they were hidden by some of the people there. Unfortunately we certainly hope that that's not going to be the case now.

However RSPCA consultant Wayne Coolwell says they're both to blame and should just get on with fixing the situation.

I'm Aboriginal myself and I don't like to accuse my own people of things like this, but it's self-evident, Louise, and cruelty is cruelty, and when you see the photographs and you hear the stories, there's obviously a real problem on that island.

I don't want to accuse the Government of neglect, but I've got to be honest with you and say that they've had opportunities to address this issue over the last, since I've been involved in it, the last four or five years. They know about the issue, but as I said I think on the priority list, it's way down.

The State Government has since said that they will start removing the abused animals, but the Aboriginal council has stated that it will demand 'compensation' for animals removed.

Palm Island Aboriginal Council deputy chairman Alfred Lacey said the animals were a "marketable export commodity" that could fetch up to $1000 each.

He said the islanders would have a community get-together to discuss the threatened removal and compensation issue.

"These people have to be paid money for their horses. The Government can't just take them away for nothing, even the sick ones," Mr Lacey said.

"They (the Government) wouldn't get away with it anywhere else in the state. They have to compensate when they take white fellas' land, don't they?"

This is a disgusting play of the race card. This is not land being taken, these are abused animals and the RSPCA has a mandate that allows it to remove abused & neglected animals without permission from or compensation for the owner. That is what is happening here and Mr Lacey is trying to obscure the issue by turning it into a race issue. As RSPCA chief executive officer Mark Townend said:

"It's an outrageous claim to want compensation. If they can injure and neglect their horses they obviously don't value them at all."

Owners of animals seized are never compensated for removal of their animals under current legislation. Their only recourse is through civil courts.


http://glenn.typepad.com/news/2003/07/animal_cruelty_.html#more
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Reply #2 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 10:28am
 
So Mulrunji Doomadgee deserved to die?
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Reply #3 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 11:04am
 
Of course not!

Hurley should have been charged with manslaughter from the beginning.  The matter would be over and done with by now.

But it would not be an easy job for any state police stationed at Palm Island.  There appears to be a very vicious attitude towards anyone in authority on Palm Island.

Perhaps Hurley was heavy handed - but many police are.  It was unfortunate that Doomadgee died - but there is no doubt provocation was used.

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Reply #4 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 11:16am
 
Perhaps they need some kind of scheme involving the deputising of locals, to get rid of the us vs them mentality.
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Reply #5 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 7:25pm
 
Deputising the locals sounds like a good idea.  I know they did have a female mayor at one stage who seemed to make a lot of sense, and at one stage I think they were going to just let Palm Island look after themselves and have no police.

I'm sure the Qld Govt has considered lots of different alternatives to curb the violence, but it's probably a combination of boredom, poverty and alcohol that causes these disturbances.

As long as they remove the horses - the population can do what they like.  It doesn't matter what colour a person is, but when they torment and brutalise animals, they deserve whatever they get.

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Reply #6 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 7:28pm
 
So it's OK for them to torment and brutalise the children, so long as the animals are taken care of?
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Reply #7 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 10:11pm
 
My omission - children and animals.   The situation with our indigenous children (and many non indigenous children also) in some areas is intolerable - yet it continues.

I hadn't heard of any incidents of child cruelty on Palm Island, although I'm sure it exists - but I would assume the few police on the Island would be into controlling law and order in general.

Children really are an oversight in many of these communities.  Concentration is more on domestic violence between adults and the small abused children don't rate much of a mention - unless someone blows the whistle, then gets banished, never to tell the story again.
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Reply #8 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 10:26pm
 
there is a very ingrained and systematic cycle of abuse involving Palm Islands children, its heartbreaking really..youth suicide at intolerable levels..was in the media for a bit..then as usual fades into nothing!~  Its as if it simply doesnt matter..minorities suffer this 'blind eye' syndrome..One only has to hear soem of the beatups in here and on other forums, when we get tired of bashing Muslims , lets hop into the 'Abos'..this dehumanises them in the minds of the general population and I think its disgusting that these poor children have to suffer because they are the children of Abos..

I really,in the context of all the terrible things that happen at Palm Island, couldnt care less about what happened to Doomagee, or whatever his name is...its the children that trouble me. Issuses like thsi take away from the REAL CRIMES on Palm Island--violence and sexual abuse towards its
children....It sickens me.


IF THSES THINGS WERE happeneing to white kids, the country would be up in arms...but as they are just "abos'..what does it matter..they supuerflous to requirements anyway are,nt they?
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Reply #9 - Mar 17th, 2007 at 12:38pm
 
You made some good points Auzgurl.  It's obvious that our indigenous children in remote locations are neglected by the authorities and welfare groups - many of these small children have STD's through sexual abuse and it's on the news one day - then gone.

Non-indigenous children may be a little better off, but kids are way down on any politician's list of things to do to win over an electorate.  The number of murders of caucasion children has increased dramatically over the past few years.  The murderers (usually a father or boyfriend) average less than 5 years imprisonment.  Why is this - you get more for killing an adult - let alone the months of torture these kids are subject to prior to their death.

If this neglect is so rampant among non-indigenous children - why would our indigenous children be of any importance whatsoever.  Children from poor families barely rate a mention these days.
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Reply #10 - Mar 17th, 2007 at 1:40pm
 
any copper that goes to Palm Island to try and help deserves a medal.These blokes and women put up with more crap than any other copper on the planet.Arresting officers put up with being abused,hit,kicked,spat at and have buckets of human waste thrown at them by violent drunken boongs.They often show remarkable restraint but as the old adage says"somethings gotta give"
Ya know if that drunken doomagee hadn't got pissed and beat up his missus he would not have been arrested in the first place.Stuff him
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Reply #11 - Mar 17th, 2007 at 3:39pm
 
quite right boof...its a very volitiale situation there, as it has been here in the past..Ive seen riots here and cars driven thru the front of the police station..its madness..we cant felt safe when they are out of control like this ..so you see boof, Im not a city girl.

its unfortunate and tragic mantra that the government doesnt support the most needy and vulnreable in our society, children.

Its a sad indictment of the world we hand to our children..the leaders of tomorrow..so broken and beyond repair. The environment..social justice issues so entrenched only genretions of breeding and work will start to see any inroads at all.
The ONE saving grace may be that we have ,as a generation, raised our children to believe they matter and are capable,..which may equip them to be competent and confident enought to take charge and make lemonade. Older generations showed small regard for the ability or impotrnace of children..seen and not heard was the general concensus.These days we educate our kids..and nurture them to believe they can do whatever they want..it just takes self belief.



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Reply #12 - Mar 19th, 2007 at 6:53pm
 
My omission - children and animals.  

What about the elderly? Can they get free reign to beat them up? What about their wives? And lets not be sexist and leave out the husbands...

I really,in the context of all the terrible things that happen at Palm Island, couldnt care less about what happened to Doomagee

Not even for the sake of justice? How are the children and animal going to get justice when people can get away with killing the adults?

It's as if you two are contributing to the dehumanisation you are so critical of.
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Reply #13 - Mar 19th, 2007 at 8:46pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Riots-jury-told-to-ignore-wrong-report/2007/03/19/1174152953768.html

A judge has instructed the jury in a trial involving four men accused of rioting on Palm Island in November 2004 to ignore a "wrong and misleading" media report.

"One of these matters was an allegation or statement that was quite wrong ... that the four defendants of the trial were instigators of what occurred," Judge Griffin said.

John Major Clumpoint, William Neville Blackman, Lance Gabriel Poynter and Dwayne Daniel Blanket, all of Palm Island, have pleaded not guilty in Brisbane District Court to one count each of rioting with violence.
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Reply #14 - Mar 20th, 2007 at 6:05pm
 
It's as if you two are contributing to the dehumanisation you are so critical of. "
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well never let it be said I split hairs, but I can hardly feel pity for a drunk who got a bad deal and then compare that to the plight of children at Palm Island.

You are right in this case..I DO NOt feel sorry for a drunk that got beat up by a couple of cops,,chances are he beat his wife and maybe his kids too, probably not such a huge loss if the truth be known.I see drunken Aborigines here and the way they traet theyre women and children and I feel very intense dislike for these creatures Freediver. These drunken men do much physical damage to the  families. I dont care if they drink themselves to death to be truthful..only its too slow..Live by the sword, die by the sword. If they, the community, put as much vocal indigantion behind the traversties that happen to the children as they do behind this one seemingly unfortunate case of a drunken man then there would be no problem for the children of Palm Island.....Sexual abuse is mostly perpetrarted by men on Palm Island and in most cases..so one less idle drunk seems not to be e big deal to me Freediver.I feel very striongly about abused aBl children and drunken men are the main perpetrators of thuis abuse and so I have no sense of fairness or humanity toward them at all. they are cruel and behave like animals when they attack theyre women and children. We put dogs down if they attack us..and yet when' humans' do this to their own they are treated with respect and dignity. ?Bullcr ap..they deserve tio be treated like animals if they imitate animals., and you may quote me.


Im being entirely consistent with my veiws elsewhere on peadophiles.


Its all about priorities.


You cannot dehumanise those who have no humanity.
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