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Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school
Reply #30 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 7:47am

I said it before and I'll say it again: the radical elements of Muslim community are a minority within a minority. A vocal but utterly powerless minority. They are also all old men who grew up in poorly educated and oppressive places. They will whither and die without having made a single bit of change to our country and their young will grow up to embrace our ways. By demonising them you bring attention to them that they do not deserve, and you make a good case for young Muslims to join their cause byisolating them. You will inevitably create the problem you are fearful of.

The family first party is a good example of a dangerous vocal christian minority group within our country that has achieved the tiniest bit of political power. Mark my words, if those clowns were at the helm there would be ignorant policies similar to what you would see under Muslim leadership, perhaps not so extreme but they would be trying to change our culture none the less. They are far more dangerous to our culture than the Muslims right now,why not direct your fear that way?

Now rather than demonise a minority group within our society, you should work hard at assimilating them in a positive way. Let them know you don't fear them, they shouldn't fear you and they should really just get a job and go buy some stuff. First you must accept that no country has ever succeeded at ridding themselves of ethnic minorities, none ever, and those that come close quickly turn on other types of cultural minority. There is a pattern here, it is blind and baseless fear of losing your culture. It isn't about to happen! You seem smart enough and clued up on history enough to at least realise this fact. Look at the USA, utterly overwhelmed by South Americans, an ethnic cultural minority orders of magnitude bigger than what we have here. Do you see their dominant culture changing?

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Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school
Reply #31 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:48pm

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The family first party is a good example of a dangerous vocal christian minority group within our country that has achieved the tiniest bit of political power. Mark my words, if those clowns were at the helm there would be ignorant policies similar to what you would see under Muslim leadership, perhaps not so extreme but they would be trying to change our culture none the less.

Thats true but........

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They are far more dangerous to our culture than the Muslims right now,why not direct your fear that way?

How the hell did you come to that conclusion? THIS IS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY.
How could Family 1st possibly be worse than el-hilalys islamic party?

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Now rather than demonise a minority group within our society, you should work hard at assimilating them in a positive way.

THEY DONT WANT TO. Zoso, how many muslims live around you? Have you ever worked with them?

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Look at the USA, utterly overwhelmed by South Americans, an ethnic cultural minority orders of magnitude bigger than what we have here. Do you see their dominant culture changing?

HA HA HA HA HA HA Grin

Thats funny. you ever been to L.A?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school Reply #32 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:54pm I've been to LA. The dominant culture is not changing. They just have lots of good mexican food.
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Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school
Reply #33 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 2:26pm

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How the hell did you come to that conclusion? THIS IS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY.
How could Family 1st possibly be worse than el-hilalys islamic party?

Firstly this is not a Christian nation. We have a lot of Christian influence but we do not look upon ANY religious influence in our government positively. We are a secular society that allows freedom of any religion. As an agnostic person myself, who is a proud Aussie and a part of Aussie culture, I am personally affronted by the notion of faith based policies on government. A large percentage of this country is agnostic and would side with me on this one. We have many freedoms that Christians would love to get rid of, just look how Tony Abbot was overwhelmingly knocked down by two conscience votes on Christian faith based policies last year in parliment alone.

Secondly, FF is more dangerous because they actually hold political power, no Muslim party has any political power in this country and I doubt they ever will. I did not say they are necessarily worse but more dangerous. I said they will persue similar faith based agendas aimed at changing parts of our culture, freedom of choice for pregnant women springs to mind. Even so, I do not particularly fear them, my point is you whine about one *powerless* extreme group and ignore others that are right in front of your eyes.

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THEY DONT WANT TO. Zoso, how many muslims live around you? Have you ever worked with them?

I have had plenty of experience with Muslims all the time. They are by and large normal people who are an integral part of our culture, just like most Christians, Hindus Budhists and Jews.

Tell me, if a Muslim does not wear any viel, does not speak openly about their faith, does not try to vocally push any agenda in the public eye, how do you know they are Muslim? Do you see my point here? You see a few vocal Muslims and yet I bet a vast majority of silent Muslims walk by you every day. You take the comments of a vocal minority and project them onto the whole group. Poor logic my friend. You are fearful of a vocal and powerless minority. Are you afraid of protesting hippies taking control of the nation? Because there is another vocal and powerless minority.

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HA HA HA HA HA HA Grin

Thats funny. you ever been to L.A?

I have not been to America, but my brother lived there from the age of 3 until last year. I think I have a good enough idea of what America is like and I cannot see an ethnic minority (fast becoming a majority) taking over their culture. Quite contrarily, they South Americans seem to embrace the offerings of free market hedonistic society.

See freedivers comment too.

As I said in another post, being so outwardly aggressive towards Muslims legitimises the vocal minority you fear, and marginalises the passive majority you don't seem to be aware even exist. You are in danger of creating exactly what it is you fear. It really is a case of ignore it and it will go away.

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Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school
Reply #35 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 9:05pm

zoso wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 7:47am:

I said it before and I'll say it again: the radical elements of Muslim community are a majority within a minority. A vocal and powerful minority. They are also all old men who grew up in well educated and progressive places. They will whither and die having made a bit of change to our country and their young will grow up to embrace their ways. By demonising them you bring attention to aussies that they deserve it, and you make a good case for young aussies to join the nationalist cause by isolating them. You will inevitably create the nation they are fearful of.

The family first party is a good example of a dangerous vocal christian minority group within our country that has achieved the tiniest bit of political power. Mark my words, if those clowns were at the helm there would be ignorant policies similar to what you would see under Muslim leadership, perhaps not so extreme but they would be trying to change our culture none the less. They are far less dangerous to our culture than the Muslims right now,why not direct your fear that way?

Now rather than demonise a minority group within our society, you should work hard at assasinating them in a violent way. Let them know you hate them, they should fear you and they should really just get on a plane and go fly some place. First you must accept that no country has ever succeeded at living with ethnic minorities, none ever, and those that come close quickly turn on other types of cultural minority. There is a pattern here, it is an obvious and real threat of losing your culture. It is about to happen! You seem smart enough and clued up on history enough to at least realise this fact. Look at the USA, utterly overwhelmed by South Americans, an ethnic cultural minority orders of magnitude bigger than what we have here. you see their dominant culture changing?

Nicely put! Grin

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zoso Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 512	Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school Reply #36 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:07pm Quote: Nicely put! Glad to see you don't actually have an argument or a reason. You just need an excuse to direct hate at minority groups. Admit it...
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zoso Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 512	Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school Reply #37 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:10pm Quote: Zoso? If you believe my faith in free market capitalism, democracy and small government make me left wing... well then I'll just sit back and let you flex that big brain of yours in front of everyone... Because your looking real intelligent right now
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Aussie Nationalist Ex Member Gender:	Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school Reply #38 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:17pm Quote: Glad to see you do actually have an argument and a reason. You just need an excuse to tell the truth about minority groups. Admit it... I do. thanks
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Aussie Nationalist Ex Member Gender:	Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school Reply #39 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:19pm Quote: If you believe my faith in destroying capitalism, democracy and small government make me left wing... well then I'll just sit back and let you flex that big brain of yours in front of everyone... Because your real intelligent Thank you very much!
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Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school
Reply #40 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:28pm

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I said it before and I'll say it again: the radical elements of Muslim community are a minority within a minority. A vocal but utterly powerless minority. They are also all old men who grew up in poorly educated and oppressive places. They will whither and die without having made a single bit of change to our country and their young will grow up to embrace our ways. By demonising them you bring attention to them that they do not deserve, and you make a good case for young Muslims to join their cause byisolating them. You will inevitably create the problem you are fearful of.

The family first party is a good example of a dangerous vocal christian minority group within our country that has achieved the tiniest bit of political power. Mark my words, if those clowns were at the helm there would be ignorant policies similar to what you would see under Muslim leadership, perhaps not so extreme but they would be trying to change our culture none the less. They are far more dangerous to our culture than the Muslims right now,why not direct your fear that way?

Now rather than demonise a minority group within our society, you should work hard at assimilating them in a positive way. Let them know you don't fear them, they shouldn't fear you and they should really just get a job and go buy some stuff. First you must accept that no country has ever succeeded at ridding themselves of ethnic minorities, none ever, and those that come close quickly turn on other types of cultural minority. There is a pattern here, it is blind and baseless fear of losing your culture. It isn't about to happen! You seem smart enough and clued up on history enough to at least realise this fact. Look at the USA, utterly overwhelmed by South Americans, an ethnic cultural minority orders of magnitude bigger than what we have here. Do you see their dominant culture changing?

Have you put actual research into Islam, zoso? Or are you just assuming this, based on what you've read in newspapers and magazines?

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Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school
Reply #41 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:34pm

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Thank you very much! Grin

You've run out of puff haven't you? You have nothing more you can say and you know you have the irrational and irrelevant position in this... The country is against you, the law is against you, even the conservative fear-mongering government is against your position, the future of this country will be against your position. Watch those scary muslims just pour into our country and ruin the place. Poor slow little nationalist...

I have provided a counter point to every half baked I'll conceived and self contradictory argument you have presented and now the best you can come up with is editing my words to make yourself look funny, and the odd bit of slander...

You know what they say, when the best someone can counter you with is labelling you as left or right wing, or calling you names then you know you have won the argument. Thank you for your gracious defeat.

Trump I'm interested in more words from you on this if you have them, you appear at least to think before touching your keyboard.

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Aussie Nationalist Ex Member Gender:	Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school Reply #42 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:40pm Oh no, that wasnt the objective zoso. i pis.ssed you off. that was the intention. You are full of crap and one day you will learn the truth. I'm not out of puff yet buddy!
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Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school
Reply #43 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:41pm

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:28pm:

Have you put actual research into Islam, zoso? Or are you just assuming this, based on what you've read in newspapers and magazines?

Damn you got in before I posted...

Define 'research'? If you mean trolling through the Koran finding passages that damn the religion, well its just as easy to do that for Christianity, they do share the entire old testament after all... I'd hardly call that research.

I do not actively engage in true research into Islam I'm afraid full time study in engineering has me researching other more relevant things for now. Do you? I do however pay close attention to what is being said in the media: painting the vision you seem to see, and what is being said by the moderate Muslims: which support the position I hold. I don't know where you get the idea that newspapers and magazines paint Muslims in a positive light?

Bombs are not going off in this country. Islamist riots are not occurring in this country. What evidence is there to support your claims of a dangerous Muslim takeover? Apart from the utterings of one or two extreme clerics who represent a minority position?

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zoso Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 512	Re: Learn an Asian language or flunk school Reply #44 - Mar 13^th, 2007 at 10:42pm Quote: Oh no, that wasnt the objective zoso. i pis.ssed you off. that was the intention. It rather seems the other way around to me
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