freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 9:41am:


that's what we're saying, but Vanstone was saying we should learn an Asian language right up to Year 12 (i.e. to make it compulsory).

Zoso, i recall you telling me you are of irish descent............

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 10:49am:


No, we are and have always been multicultural. We have differing youth cultures, differing adult cultures. Do you like to mix with the homosexual culture? Do you want them to mix with the white collar 'beer at the local after work' culture? I come from an 'alternative' cultural background, I grew up around hippies, still live in hippie country. Lets see... there is petrol head culture, wine tasting culture, sports culture, sailing culture, music culture (breaking down into hip hop, metal, alternative rock, dance... these groups don't mix a great deal you know!)... There has been CHRISTIAN culture and wait for it... Jewish, Islamic, Hindu and Budhist culture (many of these arrive during the gold rush!). There has always been many cultures in this society, some more: convict culture, sheerers culture, stockmans culture and upper class snob culture, aboriginal culture, farmers culture, urban culture suburban culture. Many of these groups are insular, many of them are not, but the diversity is beauty. In case you haven't yet realised, not every single person in this country lives in the suburbs, cooks snags on the barbie and swills beer while wearing a blue singlet and partaking in the local vernacular. And you wouldn't want to live in a society which did! Seriously!

This is just "oh noes, she's wearing a black veil, protect my cultural significance" xenophobic paranoia. Right now its the Muslims, but what next, the Jews? the wharfies? homosexuals? Look around you, everywhere different types of people are doing different things with their lives, mixing with their own little groups and maintaining divisions across society. This is and always will be the norm.

Look I don't know why you would want to live in a bland society of one single culture in the first place? This is the goal of the islamists! It was the goal of the Nazis and the Stalinists! Respect our diversity and the colour it brings with it! if a culture is obeying the law, and not harrassing others then they are more than welcome here. And 'the core of societies problems' is much more complex than simple cultural division, if thats what you think mate then you are completely out of touch.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 12^th, 2007 at 10:49am:


Ooh I like it when people do that! At least if I can challenge your views, and you come out believing in them even stronger then you are a man of substance

It also means that when I am eventually (and inevitably) proven right then I can laugh at you too  (just kidding...)

"This is just "oh noes, she's wearing a black veil, protect my cultural significance" xenophobic paranoia. Right now its the Muslims, but what next, the Jews? the wharfies? homosexuals? Look around you, everywhere different types of people are doing different things with their lives, mixing with their own little groups and maintaining divisions across society. This is and always will be the norm. "
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Your right zoso..at the moment we get to hate muslims, because its 'in'...But off times just for a change we go back to bash the 'abos's'..its a very predictable formula. Seems like we always need a punching bag in the form of an ostracised  group to make validate ourselves, which in the end only shows the worst of us and never the best.

I get very impatient with all the Muslim bashing, and any bashing come to that ..we are no better than anyone else.

Not saying any of these races are perfect and may unfortunately draw attention to themselves which invites this bash mentality, but then if we look for one second into our own 'backyard ' we can always find the same flaws that others could attack us with.


Theres nothing wrong with learning a language , it should be an elective though, I agree.

Multiculturalism is here to stay..we need to get used to the fact.


What if your son or daughter married a Muslim man or woman?  You would then have to accept the differences .

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Then you like the literal pic below!


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Me too. that was my point.

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No we dont.


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I would expell him/her from my family.

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Oh, that hurt man quit harshin me 

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well you got something there!

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We could, how long did it take you to get permission off daddy?

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just like me. im sure we could be friends.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

So I'm wrong for suggesting you were talking about different ethnic cultures, no thats 'multiracialism' then I'm wrong for talking about sub-cultures, no thats not multiculturalism either... My argument is that the two are the same thing. Define culture?! It is what we do, how we do it and who we do it with. In this sense there is no difference between differing ethnic cultures and differing sub-cultures no matter what the textbook definition of multiculturalism is, a violent neo-nazi group poses as much threat to us as a violent islamist group, this is my point. Face it, you can't even define what 'Australian' culture is in the first place, it's all borrowed from other countries!

Divisions exist in our society, and they always will. With the attitude that you hold, if there were no ethnic cultures to pick on you would find some other group in our society to take issue with and nothing would be different. I am not advocating a Muslim takeover, I am arguing that if small groups of Arabs want to practice their religion then there is no law in this country stopping them. I am also arguing that we are far from being in danger of some ethnic takeover! They are more in danger of losing their culture as their children grow up and adopt ours.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

This has nothing to do with anything. My views are so far removed from any hippy I know that your point is meaningless. Try telling a hippy to embrace the free market!

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

Fair call, but my point stands.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

I am not a goddamn hippy you idiot. Come down here and say that to my face and I'll knock you for six. Now can we be friends?

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

We don't have a mono cultural society, never have never will. I'm quite happy living in the Australian culture thanks, and I'm all for it remaining the dominant one.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

Because I have no paranoid fear of some cultural takeover. We are obliged to accept refugees and immigrants into our country, we cannot pick and choose which cultures we accept. I'm afraid our government and our legal system is on my side on this one.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

Cultural diversity was threatening to both the belief structures of the Nazis and the Stalinists, hence both systematically destroyed anything of cultural significance to stamp it out. Mono-culture was an important part of both sytems. Of course this was not the sole and primary goal of either system.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

You are the one here who's views are not in line with the laws and policies of this country. You are the one who is going to be whingeing about this 'problem' for years to come.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

Aussie Nationalist may have said that I'm not sure right now

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Mar 13^th, 2007 at 12:34am:

I think when it comes down to it we don't have very different views at all, except that you seem to want to live in a bland mono-cultural society, which we don't have today and never will have in the future. But I'll accept that you are most likely pushing a point for the sake of the argument.

You seem paranoid of a cultural takeover, while I am so confident in the strengths of our own culture that I am sure it will remain the dominant one. If I understand what you are saying, and I agreed with you about the danger of our culture being wiped out, I would think you have a fair position, albeit a rather heartless one. The thing is I simply don't agree that we are in danger of losing our culture.

If you want the more heartless and honest interpretation of my views: So long as 'Australian' culture, or 'western' culture remains the dominant culture in Australia, I see no problem with smaller ethnic groups existing as sub-cultures within our society. Provided they respect our laws and don't try to change things. I know they appear to be *trying* but the day I see there is any danger of us losing our ways then I might consider that you have a point.