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Reply #15 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 3:59pm
 
I find it ironic you are all complaining about a thin model, when Australia now has more than 60% of its adult population classed as overweight / obese.

The girl in the photo (assuming it is real) obviously has a problem. If society is to blame for skinny girls with image problems, whose fault is the fat epidemic?

People should spend more time enjoying life (i.e. eating good food, being active) rather than sitting on a couch / at a desk eating fast food, reading gossip magazines and watching reality programs.

Take some ownership, look after yourself, stop blaming other people, and ignore 'society'.
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Reply #16 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 5:41pm
 
I think that the whole skinny thing is probably a reaction to the obesity epidemic. Back when people used to starve and freeze to death in the winter, a bit of fat was a sign of health and wealth. Even after WWII parents were still pouring molasses down their children's throats to try to fatten them up. Now that obesity is a sign of poverty, ignorance, or 'not having it all together,' and in general people who are thinner are healthier, the extreme has shifted from putting on weight to taking it off.
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Reply #17 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 6:53pm
 
I am inclined to think that in a way fat pple are rebelling against the socitial ideals...that it may be so depressing to the vulnerable at least, that the ideals are so unattainable that they simply feed the hurt rather than attack it the way anorexics do..


Being overweight and having anorexic issues are mainly for the same reasons,,feeding or starving our misery.
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Reply #18 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 6:55pm
 
that it may be so depressing to the vulnerable at least"
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the vulnerable being the hurt and isolated among us ..
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Reply #19 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 7:17pm
 
I am inclined to think that in a way fat pple are rebelling against the socitial ideals...

But those ideals didn't arise until after there were lots of fat people, and the ideals are based on sound health advice. The obesity epidemic is largely caused by sedentary lifestyles, abundant food and to a lesser extent low quality food.

10 more causes of obesity http://ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1164689657
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Reply #20 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 7:55pm
 
But those ideals didn't arise until after there were lots of fat people, and the ideals are based on sound health advice."

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That is a bit obscure .. which came first fat pple or ideals? mm not sure about that one..

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Women call for body image guidelines
Reply #21 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 9:13pm
 
Fat people. The ideals may or may not have arisen in response to the obesity epidemic, but they certainly did not create it.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Women-call-for-body-image-guidelines/2007/03/03/1172868810885.html

A young women's advocacy group is calling for guidelines to help control body image promoted by fashion models.

YWCA Victoria's cry for help comes after three international models died from illnesses complicated by anorexia.

The group wants the federal government to work with the fashion industry, health professionals and stakeholders to introduce guidelines and wipe out the suffering for girls and women - some starve themselves to death.

Ms Rees said pursuing the perfect look could threaten health, causing eating disorders, dangerous dieting, purging, smoking and depression.

"Anorexia is the third most common disease in Australian females, aged 15 to 24," she said.

She said the guidelines should cover the appropriate body mass index (BMI) for models and the most appropriate age for models projecting certain images.

"The guidelines would ensure that models are models of good health," she said.

The Australian Medical Association (AMA) supports the group's charter to help protect women from body-image issues.
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Reply #22 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 11:39pm
 
AY! Theres nothing like a nice shapely woman! Cheesy
She's gotta have meat on her. Smiley
Yes it does involve politics, these people are role models to many young females.
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Reply #23 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 2:43pm
 
Totally agree with you Ausgurl
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Reply #24 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 5:07pm
 
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Back when people used to starve and freeze to death in the winter, a bit of fat was a sign of health and wealth. Even after WWII parents were still pouring molasses down their children's throats to try to fatten them up.


Its interesting that you raise the WWII issue. A european researcher (sorry, this is a vague reference) has had an almost 100% success rate in treating anorexia. Most therapists take the view that anorexia is a psychological disorder. The researcher noticed that even after concentration camp survivors were given food, they could not put on weight. It was found that they had forgotten how to eat properly. After retraining the patients, they began to put on weight.

This approach could be applied to people with any disorder (over or underweight).

For example, sedentary lifestyles may only require people to eat 2 meals a day. Which means that people should be retrained to match their eating habits with energy output.

This aligns with the current argument, that fast food companies are using marketing to reprogram children into thinking they need to eat a product.

Perhaps this is the real issue... not what society decrees as normal behaviour, but the influence of marketing on our ability to make rational choices.
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Reply #25 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 10:27pm
 
Now your seeing the picture AUShole. Marketing (Propaganda (Media)) controls how we think, what we want, what we believe our needs are and how we percieve ourselves. You need to combat psychology with psychology.

Government uses the media but they have the advantage over media magnates because they control the education. The government controls our childrens way of thinking until the mass media gets to them but, the government has already set the foundations of thinking via our schools.

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Reply #26 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 4:34am
 
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Now your seeing the picture AUShole. Marketing (Propaganda (Media)) controls how we think, what we want, what we believe our needs are and how we percieve ourselves. You need to combat psychology with psychology.


Sounds more like a conspiracy to me!!
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Reply #27 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 8:11am
 
I don't think too many 'normal' men or woman would find the above image anything short of disturbing.

To blame 'men' for what is essentially a mental health disorder, a disorder which the individual themselves suffers with is both sexist and blamist.

You hear more about female models who pass away due to this terrible  affliction, anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, though we don't hear much about young men who suffer with the same condition.

When I was in my early teens, my mother 'fostered' a boy (aged 16) , a couple of years older than me who had a weight problem during his pre-teen childhood, I remembered him from primary school being quite chubby though by 16, he looked like a bag of bones.
Anyway, I noticed him disappearing to the toilet and or shower after each meal, as though he was edgy until the job was done. He would often run the shower so we couldn't hear him purging said he was having a shower, though I could tell he hadn't. This or he would go for a walk 'alone' around the block to a church public-toilet to chuck.

Anyway, my mother told me to stop being stupid, intrusive, ie "As if he would be bulimic"...so I turned off the toilet tap one afternoon and waited.

Sure enough, he came out (I had an older and mutual friend of ours visiting).... he was crying and begging my friend to fix the toilet, (probably knew I had done something to it), so he could flush his vomit.

My mother then realised he had a serious problem,(ding, ding, ding finally)  but unfortunately, despite counselling he continued purging after meals anyway. His skin was awful, zinc deficiency I suspect.

Then he left our house several months later, fell in with a nasty crowd, and to be honest, I have no idea where he is now or what he's doing, he might even be dead for all I know, he looked pretty bad the last time I saw him.

Sad, he was a bright kid, really bright, came from an abusive background, parents polish, mother doting, and loved to cook, and father, aggressive and physical, who loved to put crap on him about his weight.

He couldn't win!

Please mummy, be chubby and eat up all her food.

or...

Please daddy decline mummies food or be called names and beaten.


Embarrassed  I'm sure this is what caused this problem.

When he left home, he even changed his name, (It was a Polish name), to something more Australian, his mother honestly cried when she saw her son, she adored him, and left her husband a few months after he came to live with us, but it was too late.

Most of the kids I knew who had this disorder had crap parents.

This may sound harsh, but there appears to be a pattern of mentally/physically abusive parenting.


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Reply #28 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 8:17am
 
Furthermore, I don't believe size 10 (Australian)  is considered unhealthy, for my height, size 12 or 14 would be overweight.

So .....

Think about it, just how much does a person loath their physical appearance, this or under-values themselves when they put on a few  kilos whereby they would go to such an extent to deprive themselves from something as basic as food?

Will go without or purge in order to feel good about themselves?

Some people argue it's vanity, but it's not, it's a lack of self worth, this kid was punishing himself, wanted to fit his fathers criteria (being a tall skinny drunk of a man that he was)....so he would be proud of him.

Undecided...  His mother was chubby, plump, his father tall and weedy.

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Reply #29 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 8:24am
 
The Girl in the picture is obviously anorexic - this is a health issue and well past attractivness, this is not what models typically look like.

I find the image sad and disturbing.

Looks like she was a very pretty young girl once.
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