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Question: Does gun ownership reduce the crime rate?

yes    
  9 (34.6%)
no    
  10 (38.5%)
petty crime yes, homicide no    
  5 (19.2%)
can't judge from the evidence    
  2 (7.7%)




Total votes: 26
« Created by: freediver on: Mar 1st, 2007 at 1:12pm »

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Reply #1 - Mar 1st, 2007 at 3:15pm
 
I voted the 3rd option.
Nobody is going to want to break into a house if people have guns.
I think gun ownership is a good idea for home security.
Strictness should be applied for people wishing to get a gun license.
The only types of guns that should be allowed to be owned by civillians are rifles and large shotguns.
These cannot be concealed like pistols or in the case of small rifles and shotguns under a trench coat.
Guns not permitted to be outside the house of the owner.
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Reply #2 - Mar 2nd, 2007 at 3:50pm
 
I agree with Aussie N.  I used to be completely against guns, but it seems that now they are readily available to criminals and not those who would use them carefully.

I don't know about having rifles for personal protection - how would you get it out quickly - load it and fire to scare off an intruder.  Personally I think responsible citizens who have never been in trouble should be allowed to keep a concealed gun at home for personal protection.

Of course it would have to be well hidden from children and visitors. but with the amount of crime and break ins, it would be handy to have a small gun for protection.

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Reply #3 - Mar 2nd, 2007 at 3:54pm
 
Guns kept in the house are far more likely to be used to kill the owner of the gun than vice versa, or a friend/family member. A thief is going to go straight for whatever secure lockup facility you have, which means he may well have your gun in his hands when you stumble upon him half asleep.

but it seems that now they are readily available to criminals

It doesn't seem that way to me. The majority of store hold ups that you read about are committed with other objects like baseball bats, knives, syringes or spearguns. They often get chased away. This is a far preferable scenario than having guns everywhere.
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Reply #4 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 12:59am
 
I've gotta agree with Ausnat on this one.

Ever since they banned guns, petty crime in Australia has seemed to skyrocket. Although, I have no stats to back this up.
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Reply #5 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 8:04pm
 
Of course it would have to be well hidden from children and visitors. but with the amount of crime and break ins, it would be handy to have a small gun for protection. "

mantra I agree with that..used responsibly..why not?

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Reply #6 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 8:09pm
 
Is the druggie who steals it from you going to use it responsibly?
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Reply #7 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 5:27pm
 
If someone enters your house illegally, and has an expectation they could be shot, they will arm themselves accordingly. Applying the pro-gun argument, everyone will be entitled to arm themselves, so then all criminals will be forced to carry a gun to "defend" themselves against retaliation when they are illegally entering a property. Because a gun can inflict lethal force without being in immediate proximity of the target, a shoot first, think second mentality will ensue. The innocent occupant is likely to come off second best, because it is less likely they will have a loaded gun at hand, whereas the better prepared criminal is ready for action. Shoot first, think second... dead occupant.

In addition, if criminals don't have a gun, they will rob an easy target, such as the old lady who lives by herself.

By having a gun in the house, all you have done is raise the stakes of being killed in a home invasion, or moved the problem to those less able to defend themselves.
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Reply #8 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 5:30pm
 
I think the penalties for armed break and enter are far higher than unarmed.
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Reply #9 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 7:21pm
 
If your house is protected enough (bars on windows, alarms, Dogs etc), nobody should be able to break in.
perhaps new gun owners should attend training courses?
The only reason why people are talking about arming themselves is because the police are
UTTERLY USELESS.


They are too busy with their radar traps and other revenue raising activities.
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Reply #10 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 7:28pm
 
The house I am currently in has bars on many windows. Not much help in a fire  Undecided
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Reply #11 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 7:43pm
 
Always have a window without bars as an escape route, which is hard to get into but easy to jump out.
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Reply #12 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 2:49am
 
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The only reason why people are talking about arming themselves is because the police are UTTERLY USELESS.


They're probably scared the criminal will sue them for preventing his break-in.  Grin
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Reply #13 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 5:11am
 
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I think the penalties for armed break and enter are far higher than unarmed.


Penalties arent a deterrent... most crims believe they will never get caught!
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Reply #14 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 5:17am
 
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The only reason why people are talking about arming themselves is because the police are UTTERLY USELESS.


I see the problem as more closely related to social policy, and inconsistent sentencing.

Police only do the job they are instructed to perform, so you can't blame them. Most of them are pissed because they spend hours filling out paperwork (evidence), only to have a judge dismiss the case, or issue a non-custodial sentence.

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