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Reply #75 - Aug 3rd, 2007 at 9:35pm
 
I think the payment didnt go far enough..$500,00.00 for a life time of misery?

Its about time.
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Reply #76 - Aug 4th, 2007 at 1:08am
 
oceanz wrote on Aug 3rd, 2007 at 9:35pm:
I think the payment didnt go far enough..$500,00.00 for a life time of misery?

Its about time.


ARE YOU THAT STUPID!?
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Reply #77 - Aug 4th, 2007 at 1:28am
 
Oceans, I've been pretty sad at times during my life too.
Whats say they give me just $100,000, sound ok ?
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Reply #78 - Aug 4th, 2007 at 1:13pm
 
Constructive criticism please Nelson, not insults.

Sprint if your suffering was caused by misfeasance in public office, you would have a case.
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Reply #79 - Aug 4th, 2007 at 2:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2007 at 5:08pm:
Are you seriously suggesting it didn't happen? It was government policy. No-one in power is denying it.



are you serious yourself.

howard refers to the 'stolen generation' et al as black armband history.

if the government had admitted a policy specifically targeting aboriginal children with intent wipe out the aborginal race as many leftists suggest, it would have have to have said more than sorry.

i am not denying that in cases there were children taken from their families who should not have been, but i do not bvelieve that the government had a policy aiming at de childrenising aboriginals.
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Reply #80 - Aug 4th, 2007 at 2:32pm
 
if the government had admitted a policy specifically targeting aboriginal children with intent wipe out the aborginal race as many leftists suggest

I've never heard that suggestion. It doesn't even make sense.
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Reply #81 - Aug 4th, 2007 at 9:27pm
 
that is exactly what historians like henry reynalds and films like rabbit proof fence suggest
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Reply #82 - Aug 5th, 2007 at 1:28pm
 
I've seen the film and I didn't get that impression. Maybe they wanted to encourage 'integration' into our culture and thus the destruction of their own, but not the race. If you take someone's children away, you increase the liklihood that they'll have more.
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Reply #83 - Aug 5th, 2007 at 1:51pm
 
AUShole wrote on Feb 25th, 2007 at 11:00pm:
Aboriginals can cope with rules and regulations. They have had 40,000 years of practice. What do you think all those stories they tell are about? Their social system is far more complex than "our world's rules and regulations", and they don't even write it down.


Really? What percent of the prison population is attributed to 1% of the total Australian population.
I have a huge amount of respect for the few Aborigines I know that deserve it. They are not a lost cause, and I don't agree with some the racist comments here, but facts are facts, they need to adjust to modern times now. White Australians are not just going to say "sorry mate, have your country back and we will go back to Britain". For one, if we did the Muslims would invade, and I can assure you there would be no Dole, Interest free loans, Health cover, or apologies then.
"Sorry" is going to solve nothing, get some self respect, get some respect for others, get a farkin life and shut the bugger up, look in your own backyard in regards to solving the percieved problems you face.
AUShole, I commend your defence of the aborigines, some people have some pretty harsh opinions that are outright racist. Seriously though, they don't do much to help themselves, blame the past as much as you want it will not change the future, that is up to the individual.
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Billions stolen from Aborigines: report
Reply #84 - Sep 5th, 2007 at 6:47pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Billions-stolen-from-Aborigines-report/2007/09/05/1188783298078.html

Governments across Australia withheld billions of dollars from Aboriginal workers during the last century, according to the author of a controversial report.

Dr Ros Kidd launched her report Hard Labour, Stolen Wages in Brisbane and called on governments to repay the money withheld from thousands of Aborigines.

"Overall, we are looking at billions of dollars nationally, which has never been accounted for," she told AAP.

"That is wages that were supposedly paid to people but the government said 'we'll look after it for you' and that is in child endowments which the Queensland government was just stockpiling and kids were dying of malnutrition."

Dr Kidd said portions of wages, pensions and child endowments were paid into trust accounts but never reached their rightful owners.

Instead it was transferred into public revenue or disappeared through other means.

She said the practice was widespread and had been brought to the attention of the governments of the day through internal reports and investigations.

"The federal government knew that missions, pastoral stations and indeed state governments were making a fortune out of endowments and pensions," she said.

"It happened right across Australia, except perhaps in Tasmania.

"In the Northern Territory and the north of Western Australia, most of the workers were not even paid."

Dr Kidd also attacked the Queensland government's response to the issue.

She said a $55 million fund established in 2002 to pay reparations to those affected by the practice between 1897 and the 1970s only covered about 10 per cent of the money owed to workers.

Only $19.6 million of the fund was paid and Dr Kidd said many had opted not to enter a claim for the fund because the money paid was insufficient.

"A lot of the reasons for the low take of the offer was because it was such an insulting amount, to offer $4,000 maximum for a lifetime's missing money is just ludicrous," she said.

"There are many who refused to sign away their legal rights just to get $2,000 or $4,000 now."

The Queensland government is currently considering whether to divide the remainder of the fund between existing claimants or to use the money to establish a foundation that benefits the wider Aboriginal community.

Dr Kidd is a consultant historian who has given evidence in native title claims and to public inquiries, including the Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission's 1996 inquiry into underpaid wages.
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Reply #85 - Sep 5th, 2007 at 8:40pm
 
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oceanz wrote on Aug 3rd, 2007 at 9:35pm:
I think the payment didnt go far enough..$500,00.00 for a life time of misery?

Its about time.


ARE YOU THAT STUPID!?



NO "nelson" far from it. Smiley
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Re: Billions stolen from Aborigines: report
Reply #86 - Sep 7th, 2007 at 12:37am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2007 at 6:47pm:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Billions-stolen-from-Aborigines-report/2007/09/05/1188783298078.html

Governments across Australia withheld billions of dollars from Aboriginal workers during the last century, according to the author of a controversial report.

Dr Ros Kidd launched her report Hard Labour, Stolen Wages in Brisbane and called on governments to repay the money withheld from thousands of Aborigines.

"Overall, we are looking at billions of dollars nationally, which has never been accounted for," she told AAP.

"That is wages that were supposedly paid to people but the government said 'we'll look after it for you' and that is in child endowments which the Queensland government was just stockpiling and kids were dying of malnutrition."

Dr Kidd said portions of wages, pensions and child endowments were paid into trust accounts but never reached their rightful owners.

Instead it was transferred into public revenue or disappeared through other means.

She said the practice was widespread and had been brought to the attention of the governments of the day through internal reports and investigations.

"The federal government knew that missions, pastoral stations and indeed state governments were making a fortune out of endowments and pensions," she said.

"It happened right across Australia, except perhaps in Tasmania.

"In the Northern Territory and the north of Western Australia, most of the workers were not even paid."

Dr Kidd also attacked the Queensland government's response to the issue.

She said a $55 million fund established in 2002 to pay reparations to those affected by the practice between 1897 and the 1970s only covered about 10 per cent of the money owed to workers.

Only $19.6 million of the fund was paid and Dr Kidd said many had opted not to enter a claim for the fund because the money paid was insufficient.

"A lot of the reasons for the low take of the offer was because it was such an insulting amount, to offer $4,000 maximum for a lifetime's missing money is just ludicrous," she said.

"There are many who refused to sign away their legal rights just to get $2,000 or $4,000 now."

The Queensland government is currently considering whether to divide the remainder of the fund between existing claimants or to use the money to establish a foundation that benefits the wider Aboriginal community.

Dr Kidd is a consultant historian who has given evidence in native title claims and to public inquiries, including the Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission's 1996 inquiry into underpaid wages.



lets go furtehr lets give back all money to all the families of every person in australia who wasnt paid.

no, wait give money to every person in the world who has been treated unfairly. Also lets solve world poverty and end all wars Smiley

the problem of not getting paid is not a strictly aboriginal one...
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Reply #87 - Sep 7th, 2007 at 6:26pm
 
Let me get this straight - you think we should deny people justice in case the idea of justice starts to catch on?
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Reply #88 - Sep 8th, 2007 at 10:35am
 
AUShole wrote on Feb 25th, 2007 at 10:40pm:
DT, you have no respect for the indigenous population (your Abo reference is offensive). What have they done to you?

Have you ever sat down with an Aboriginal elder and spoken about how his family was broken up by slave traders (in the 19th Century) or by the Protector up until the 1970s? Saying sorry is not admitting that you were to blame for the attrocity, it means that you understand what has happened, and express allegiance with their cause.

No decent elder wants compensation. They want recognition that Australia, as a democratic country and a signatory to the UN, committed crimes against its own people.

I live in a town where a third of the population is indigenous. Does it strike you as a problem when most of them live in poverty? That their lifespan is barely half of yours? Do you think they enjoy living with the stigma of being bludgers?

Most of the aboriginal people I have met are kind and considerate, and have a greater respect for their family than a majority of Australians. The problem is that they are treated like second class citizens, given no opportunity to succeed, and are manipulated by bureaucrats. Is it any wonder they turn to alcohol and start beating each other?



I agree: that most of the Aboriginal People I have met are really cool people. The Aboriginal people in the city have a reputation for being out of hand, but it is entirely understandable as they have been denied access to wealth and opportunity that leaves them with, virtually/seemingly, wasted lives.

In a society that purposely overwhelms their hopes, dreams and dignity the least you can do is give them respect for standing up for their own person and culture. If you can't you are an insecure monster who hides behind an illusion of strength.

To look at the way they have been treated breaks your heart.

I voted for the PM to say sorry as He/She is the appropriate person. When it will happen is another question.
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Reply #89 - Sep 12th, 2007 at 6:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 7th, 2007 at 6:26pm:
Let me get this straight - you think we should deny people justice in case the idea of justice starts to catch on?


er no, i just dont like the idea of racism being the motivator for "justice", why should aboriginal people get any more attention than anyone else.

instead of paying back an injustice of almost a century ago, how about solving current ones.
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