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Reply #60 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 8:40pm
 
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The song by West Australian composer Kerry Fletcher was written in 1998 for Sorry Day festivities and included in the ABC Song Book, distributed to NSW primary schools by Scholastic. It is used by teachers in addition to the official curriculum.

The song features the words: "If we can say sorry to the people from this land, sing, sing loud, break through the silence, sing sorry across this land. We cry, we cry, their children were stolen, now no one knows why."


How are those few simple words in a song political and damaging?   I'm surprised at both you DT & Aus Nat for being so narrow minded about two lines in a song.

It hardly constitutes political brainwashing.  A small minded father has kicked up a huge fuss over such a triviality - obviously he wanted to make some sort of political statement.  It is only fact - their children were stolen.


Mantra, I understand your concerns.

I understand that you think kids will not know the meaning of these songs therefore, they will not be affected by these songs.


I think otherwise.


They can be used to influence other people. For example, they can be used for political campaigns and portrayed in the media.

Future leftist can also use this as ammunition. This is what they will say... "you sang 'sorry Aboriginals' in pre-school.... therefore, you will be hypocritial if you take a different stance now... etc etc

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Reply #61 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 8:47pm
 
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Future leftist can also use this as ammunition. This is what they will say... "you sang 'sorry Aboriginals' in pre-school.... therefore, you will be hypocritial if you take a different stance now... etc etc


Of course the lefties would- they are of low intelligence. How could you call someone hypocritical for their views in adulthood, because they ''chanted'' the sorry song when they were children.
THEY WERE CHILDREN.
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Reply #62 - Jul 14th, 2007 at 9:55am
 
political issues should NOT be pushed onto children

Any song can be turned into a political issue. All songs that can be sung contain a message. You just need someone to object to that message and it becomes an issue. We shouldn't let minority groups stop our children singing songs. That is imposing on our children political issues they do not understand. Let them sing and stop whinging about it.
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Reply #63 - Jul 14th, 2007 at 2:39pm
 
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We shouldn't let minority groups stop our children singing songs.


Its the minority groups that are making them chant the songs.

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That is imposing on our children political issues they do not understand. Let them sing and stop whinging about it.


How? whats wrong with regular kids songs such as that one about sheep shearing. No political message there.
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Reply #64 - Jul 14th, 2007 at 7:45pm
 
besides the stolen gernartion is a myth so we are also lying to them :p
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Reply #65 - Jul 14th, 2007 at 9:05pm
 
I admit what the white settlers did to the Aborigines is disgusting and I willingly concede that they were the original owners and inhabitants of this continent. But I hate the way they always try to make you feel horribly guilty. They refuse to move on and as a result they drag the rest of us into their pool of depression. And I also hate the way they continually try to get the High Courts to grant them their native titles. I always worry when that happens. What if that happens in my local area? Does that mean that they'll have the power to kick me out of my home, bulldoze it and build a casino in its place? Ridiculous I know, but if it can happen in America, it can happen here.
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Reply #66 - Jul 14th, 2007 at 9:19pm
 
i have the complete history of conflicts between aborigianls and white settlers. what the whites did to the abo's was no worse than in any other war. the first few decades of conflict was mostly started by aboriginals.

anyway we are supposed to be saying sorry not for that but for the "stolen generation" which is a lie. the government never had a policy to specifically target aboriginal children. they saw children in sub human conditions and took them away from their parents as they did and still do with whites.

not one court case has ever been successful in proving being a stolen child.
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Reply #67 - Jul 15th, 2007 at 1:21am
 
As much as we have our differences Pender, i like you. Smiley
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Reply #68 - Jul 15th, 2007 at 5:11pm
 
Its the minority groups that are making them chant the songs.

No it isn't. It's not just the aboriginies asking for an apology. They tend to take take a back seat in the sorry movement. It's a majority of the general public.

How? whats wrong with regular kids songs such as that one about sheep shearing. No political message there.

What about the line about the boss dude smelling like a whore?

But I hate the way they always try to make you feel horribly guilty.

It's not the aboriginies doing that. No-one can force you to feel guilty anyway. They can just make you connect with your true feelings.

And I also hate the way they continually try to get the High Courts to grant them their native titles.

You hate the way they 'use' nthe justice system to recieve justice? Heaven forbid.

Does that mean that they'll have the power to kick me out of my home,

No.

anyway we are supposed to be saying sorry not for that but for the "stolen generation" which is a lie.

I suspect stolen wages are a bigger issue.
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Reply #69 - Jul 15th, 2007 at 7:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 15th, 2007 at 5:11pm:
And I also hate the way they continually try to get the High Courts to grant them their native titles.

You hate the way they 'use' the justice system to recieve justice? Heaven forbid.

Does that mean that they'll have the power to kick me out of my home,

No.



I'm not opposed to the Aborigines getting Justice, I just think they're going about it the wrong way.

And like I said before if the American Indians can take over people's houses and build casinos over them, then the Aborigines can do the same here.
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Reply #70 - Jul 16th, 2007 at 11:40am
 
I'm not opposed to the Aborigines getting Justice, I just think they're going about it the wrong way.

How else can they go about it? Do you think they should blow something up instead of using the justice system?

And like I said before if the American Indians can take over people's houses and build casinos over them, then the Aborigines can do the same here.

You sure the American Indians can do that? BTW, the aboriginies cannot do the same here.
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Reply #71 - Aug 2nd, 2007 at 12:10pm
 
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22175063-2702,00.html

SOUTH Australia has been ordered to pay $525,000 to a Stolen Generations victim in a breakthrough compensation victory.

The compensation win is for Aborigines taken from their families.

The damages award not only establishes a potent judicial precedent, but will intensify pressure on the commonwealth and states to establish statutory compensation schemes for Stolen Generations victims.

The scope of the order by South Australian Supreme Court judge Thomas Gray stunned legal observers and reversed years of disappointment for indigenous litigants.

Since the release of the 1997 Bringing Them Home report on the Stolen Generations, only Tasmania has agreed to pay direct compensation to victims.

In a strongly worded judgment, Justice Gray yesterday found that Bruce Allan Trevorrow, now 50, was falsely imprisoned and denied the duty of care owed to him after he was taken from his parents in 1957, aged 13 months.

The state was liable to compensate Mr Trevorrow for its "misfeasance in public office", the judge said.

Justice Gray pointedly contrasted how Mr Trevorrow had "struggled" with depression and other setbacks, while his siblings, who remained with their natural family, had been able to "achieve their potential".
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Reply #72 - Aug 3rd, 2007 at 3:01pm
 
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Reply #73 - Aug 3rd, 2007 at 5:05pm
 
ok now one proven "stolen child"

i reckon i could find more white kids taken unlawfully.

besides there is always room for the judge being biased and his precedent being overuled at later date.
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Reply #74 - Aug 3rd, 2007 at 5:08pm
 
Are you seriously suggesting it didn't happen? It was government policy. No-one in power is denying it.
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