Thanks AusGrl for your posts.  It is the best Ive seen on matters of the indeginous people. I do know what is like to be of another culture. Most times it is swept under the rug. At the least they should be given equal rights in everything with all credability. How would anyone feel to have everything taken from them ie conquered? In todays world there are cultures/races who are stepping up around the world.

Aussie N.  I have to go to Central at least once a week - the only aboriginals I see are usually a small group of drinking indigenous people with an equal number of White Aussies keeping them company.  If anything those who are lying around and are a sight for sore eyes are our forgotten "mentally ill" - mainly white Australians. 

The other day when walking past the "regular" drinking group - it was a white Australian who was making a nuisance of himself and harrassing any one who walked by.  His partners (mixed group) were sitting quietly with their heads down.

Mantra, ive never seen the white ones before, unless they were that dirty they took on the appearence of an abo.

We can thank hawke for closing down the mental institutes.

OK ausgurl where is it you live to have so much do with aboriginies at the lower end of the scale.You are stating a lot of hearsay and rhetoric but can you back it up with actual fact.
I went to school with children of the so called"stolen generation" and i am here to tell you that if those kids had not got an education when they did the aboriginal plight would be in much sorrier state of repair than it already is.Most of those kids that got an education are doing well today as opposed to the generation after them who spend their time recieving 'sit down money'.What about the millions of dollars that was given to aboriginal people to buy and stock stations in the Territory in the 80's and 90's.How many are still in operation?One out of 10,thats how many.Why?because most of the employees went walkabout after the first musters when they got paid,got on the piss and never came back.Who footed the bill??. The good old Australian taxpayer thats who.I am sick and tired of all this poog bugger me bullshit.We are always paying for a lot of lazy anti social misfits who have got their hands out for money all the time including the now defunct ATSIC.That organization was ripping their own people off all the time,ie;artworks worth millions in the offices whilst little kids went hungry in the communities,everyone in ATSIC had a 4wd but there were no medicines in the communities.Why is that the fault of the white population,we have paid ATSIC but they never passed it on.You give me the runs with your poor blackfella attitude without providing proof just common misconseptions.I have seen it first hand over 30 years and i can back it up.So piss off with ya bullshit sister i aint taking it no more

why are you referring to us as european immigrants.We were made to come here in the first place too weren't we.Anywhere else a conquered race is usually slaughtered but my ancestors were not the conqueres were they?,NO,We were enslaved to.
I blame the aboriginies for failing to get of their collective arses and helping themselves instead of expecting everything on a platter

Freediver ,

extremely well put..



  "Wasn't ATSIC a creation of European immigrants? Just because they put a few aborigines in charge doesn't mean they weren't pulling the strings. The handouts are another European 'solution' for the problem that didn't work (apparently anyway, I'm hesitant to draw general conclusions based on a few unfortunate observations). You appear to be somehow 'blaming' the aboriginies for our solutions not working for them. Until we came along, they had no problem. Both the original problems and the failure of the solutions are ultimately down to us. I don't see how treating a group of people as slaves for a few generations and not allowing them to make decisions for themselves, then expecting them to 'integrate' as soon as we give them handouts is supposed to work. I realise I haven't come up with a better idea here, but I think not putting all the blame on the aborigines would be a good start "

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this is exactly the point.

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2007 at 3:01pm:

cant you read auzgurl,i am not an immigrant,i was born here,from convict stock who were forced to come here.That is not immigrant status is it?You only have to go back 5-6 generations to be at convict time and most Aussies i know can go back that far
If the Dutch,Portugese or French had got here first it would be purely academic and we would not be having this conversation

Immigrant, descendent of recent immigrants, whatever. It doesn't change the argument I was making. BTW I am not Auzgurl.

Auzgurl you may have to put an underscore in his name if you are using the PM system here, or just click on his name and do it via his profile.