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Feb 23rd, 2007 at 9:15pm
 
One thing i have always wondered about is why the Aboriginals want the current population of Australia to say sorry(besides a compo claim).
I mean the British Government sent our fore fathers out here in the first place didn't they? so why dont the Brits have to say sorry.Our ancestors came here under sufference and under guard.We should tell the indigenous to see the poms about compo not us,if our ancestors had been given the choice i bet they would have stayed in that shithole 12,000 miles away
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Reply #1 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 9:46pm
 
The Aboriginals will NEVER stop complaining until left-wing bigots stop telling us to keep giving them compensation.

We've already apologised them a thousand times, but they're still not happy.

Why?

Because they want MONEY, ATTENTION and SUPERIORITY.


Aboriginals are a lost cause. My advice: Forget about them.
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Reply #2 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 9:47pm
 
I say forgive and forget. thats what the abo's should do.
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Reply #3 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 4:02pm
 
It's not just the aboriginies who think our society should apologise in a more official way. They deserve justice, including the return of wages that were stolen from them. You can't expect a group of people to get over such a massive injustice when the society that inflicted it on them isn't even aware of how recent it was.
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Reply #4 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 4:52pm
 
I know for a fact that even in the late 70's our indigenous people were treated like slaves.  In some outback towns in WA, aboriginals were allocated to cattle stations and properties where they were only given food and board (2nd rate at that) in exchange for jackarooing and unskilled work 6 days a week.

This was approved by the local police, politicians and of course the station owners who believed they were doing their unpaid workers a favour.
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Reply #5 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 5:35pm
 
Aboriginals are a lost cause. My advice: Forget about them. "
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DT..you are either a student or a teacher from what Ive read here...if your a student Id say comments like this are understandable, but if you are a teacher.... Cry
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Reply #6 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 5:40pm
 
Aussie Nationalist....


The posting of the 'Centerlink' depiction of the so called Indigenous flag ....lets just say Im glad I didnt let that image represent my veiws and my persona.
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Reply #7 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 10:16pm
 
IT REPRESENTS MINE !!!!!
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Reply #8 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 12:16am
 
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It's not just the aboriginies who think our society should apologise in a more official way. They deserve justice, including the return of wages that were stolen from them. You can't expect a group of people to get over such a massive injustice when the society that inflicted it on them isn't even aware of how recent it was.


You're 100% right freediver... let's correct past mistakes...   Roll Eyes

In the meantime... I demand compensation from Russia for invading Hungary and forcing my grandparents to relocate.

I also demand compensation on behalf of my grandpa for being kept in a Russian prison camp for 5 years with nothing to eat accept bread and mud... and nothing to drink accept snow and urine. The diseases he caught during this spell in the prison led him to die an early, agonising death, effectively causing my family grief and trauma that has stayed with us until this day...

I also demand compensation on behalf of AusNat, for the Americans bombing his Grandparents house in Austria, as well as the Muslims invading his homeland a few hundred years ago.

I would also like to ask compensation on behalf of the ancient Aztecs (Mexicans), for the Spanish effectively destroying their empire.

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Reply #9 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 7:55am
 
You made some very good points DT - and in theory you are so right, but Australia is supposed to be a democratic country and once we dismiss human rights violations, we become just as bad as the rest of those nations who dismiss human suffering.

In some ways the aboriginals are a lost cause for the simple fact they have lost hope.  Many of our indigenous people cannot cope in our world with our rules and regulations.  After 60,000 years as hunter gatherers - they've only had 200 years to catch up with us  so called civilised citizens who have had thousands of years to develop into what we are today.  Remember - it was only 2 centuries ago - they were natives.

New Zealand and the US now give their indigenous people special recognition as well as the right to hold onto their cultures.  We seem to have a horsewhip out and demand that they keep up with us or else they're useless.  Call a dog a bad name and it sticks.
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Reply #10 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 9:17am
 
There is a big difference between apologising and saying sorry. To apologise is easy - just say the words. Just go to any state rail station 'cityrail apologises for any inconvenience' .... see how easy the words roll out.

But saying sorry implies that there is real heart-felt emotion behind the statement. People are not going to be acting authentically if they do not feel that emotion - and so don't want to say sorry as they feel that they are being forced to do it against their will. .

The Abos seem to have cause and effect confused - us saying sorry is not going to suddenly make us feel bad about what some stranger did so many years ago - nor is is going to make us feel responsible, nor can we re-write history to make it better for them.

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Reply #11 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 4:54pm
 
DT, demanding compensation for acts of war is what caused WWII to follow WWI so closely. On the other hand, truth and reconcilliation are effective ways to deal with civil injustices. All those examples you gave happened before a lot of the stolen wages.

The Abos seem to have cause and effect confused - us saying sorry is not going to suddenly make us feel bad about what some stranger did so many years ago - nor is is going to make us feel responsible, nor can we re-write history to make it better for them.

One of the biggest benefits of the national sorry campaign is that the public is more aware of the very recent injustices committed against the aboriginal people. When most people get the full story about what happened, they are genuinely sorry, and fell less inclined to blame the aborigines for all their problems.
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Reply #12 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 9:39pm
 
Very well said DT!
My sympathies to you about your grandfather.
I also had a great uncle who fought the russians in Hungary in 1956.
And my grandfather (captain) and great grandfather (colonel) were on the eastern front in WW2, both were at stalingrad (BEFORE ENCIRCLEMENT) and eventually were stationed in budapest, then pushed back to the austrian (home) border and they then slipped across to the American lines to surrender.
Both were wounded more than once.
I wont ask for compensation, because it did not happen to me!
Let past events fall into history.
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Reply #13 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 10:40pm
 
DT, you have no respect for the indigenous population (your Abo reference is offensive). What have they done to you?

Have you ever sat down with an Aboriginal elder and spoken about how his family was broken up by slave traders (in the 19th Century) or by the Protector up until the 1970s? Saying sorry is not admitting that you were to blame for the attrocity, it means that you understand what has happened, and express allegiance with their cause.

No decent elder wants compensation. They want recognition that Australia, as a democratic country and a signatory to the UN, committed crimes against its own people.

I live in a town where a third of the population is indigenous. Does it strike you as a problem when most of them live in poverty? That their lifespan is barely half of yours? Do you think they enjoy living with the stigma of being bludgers?

Most of the aboriginal people I have met are kind and considerate, and have a greater respect for their family than a majority of Australians. The problem is that they are treated like second class citizens, given no opportunity to succeed, and are manipulated by bureaucrats. Is it any wonder they turn to alcohol and start beating each other?

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Reply #14 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 11:00pm
 
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In some ways the aboriginals are a lost cause for the simple fact they have lost hope.  Many of our indigenous people cannot cope in our world with our rules and regulations.  After 60,000 years as hunter gatherers - they've only had 200 years to catch up with us  so called civilised citizens who have had thousands of years to develop into what we are today.  Remember - it was only 2 centuries ago - they were natives.


Mantra, that is a ridiculous statement, and racist. Humans can adapt to any environment, as DT pointed out. His grandfather survived on swill for 5 years!

Aboriginals can cope with rules and regulations. They have had 40,000 years of practice. What do you think all those stories they tell are about? Their social system is far more complex than "our world's rules and regulations", and they don't even write it down.

The problem is that when they have followed the "rules and regulations" in the past, they have been shafted. There is a belief that it will happen again. We cannot move forward until Australia offers an apology for breaking its own rules.
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