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Could a state become a country?
Feb 20th, 2007 at 3:26am
 
If it were given no other alternative, do you think an Australian state could support itself as a country if it were forced to do so?

For example, do you think Victoria could separate from the other states of Australia and become 'New Victoria.' Would it have the resources and expertise to do so?

Try to approach this subject with an open mind.

Personally, I think it's possible, but there's no need... at this stage.  Tongue
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Reply #1 - Feb 20th, 2007 at 9:21am
 
If they could defend themselves against the Australian army, sure. I think the Canadians are trying something similar. They could probably even do it democratically, without bloodshed. All it would take is the will.
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Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2007 at 12:55pm
 
Yeah, the muslims will try it one day.
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No states if we did it all again: PM
Reply #3 - May 18th, 2007 at 3:57pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/No-states-if-we-did-it-all-again-PM/2007/05/18/1178995371503.html

If Australia was started all over again and a fresh constitution was drafted, there would be no states, Prime Minister John Howard said on Friday.

Mr Howard, who has to deal with Labor leaders in every state and territory, said he wasn't about to launch a campaign for this to happen.

"If we started the country again, that's what people would want," he told ABC radio in Townsville.
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Call for revival of NT statehood push
Reply #4 - May 28th, 2007 at 7:03pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Call-for-revival-of-NT-statehood-push/2007/05/28/1180205151059.html

A parliamentary committee has called on the federal government to revive the Northern Territory statehood movement.

The legal and constitutional affairs committee believes major federal issues must be resolved before territorians will back statehood.

And a territorian on the committee, David Tollner, said statehood was a dead duck until it was supported by Aborigines.

In a 1998 referendum 51.3 per cent of territorians voted against statehood.

Mr Slipper said any future referendum would also be defeated if only a vague model for statehood was presented.

The issues included Aboriginal land rights, the level of representation in the federal parliament, industrial and financial relations, and mining and resource issues, including national parks and marine protected areas.
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Reply #5 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 1:55pm
 
Interesting discussion.

I remember when crossing the border from NSW to VIC it was 'almost' like going to another 'country' [nation]: It was very different. It had trams and conductors, VFL and more that could not be found in another State.
It was its own 'self' in style and personality.

But then Australia seemed to 'fold back' upon itself or 'fail'.
People like Pauline Hanson took the country backwards into the past, rather than the future.
Australia was already 'One Nation' - but its States were developing their own characteristics, culture, personality, style, etc.
Alas, since 2000 - it all got 'generalised', it went 'backwards' like as if it was the USA (where independent States 'united' to become 'One Nation').

I honestly think this 'failure' currently will also 'fail' completely.
Those in Politics who fold back into the past will lose any empowerment... and we will find that the 'future' of Political Australia will indeed be for something better than just States becoming INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES.

I see provincials like Eden-Monaro, Capricornia, Wimmera, Riverina, St Vincent, New England, Orara, Pitjantjatjara, Centralia, Gippsland, Kimberly, Pilbara, Sterling, Cape York (*BigOl64  Wink) and more... becoming their own INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES.

This would turn this currently BORING continent into a vibrant 'self-sufficient' MULTI-CULTURAL region without the need for FORIEGN multi-culturalism.

Bye bye boring Australia and boring Pauline hansonites who are justified by the Media.
Hello a new versatile Australian continent of much 'self-sufficient' variety  Wink  Cool
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Reply #6 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 2:03pm
 
WA could and should.
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Reply #7 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 2:08pm
 
miketrees wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
WA could and should.


Yes.

WA has been threatening to secede for decades.

There was a referendum on it back in the 1930s, and the majority voted for us to withdraw from the Federation.



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Reply #9 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 2:26pm
 
It's funny WA would want to secede because it's probably the most vulnerable state in the country. It's mostly desert. A really bad drought and it will be asking for help.
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Reply #10 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:03pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 2:26pm:
It's funny WA would want to secede because it's probably the most vulnerable state in the country. It's mostly desert. A really bad drought and it will be asking for help.


If we did it back in 1933, we'd be rolling in cash right now.

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Reply #11 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:07pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:03pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 2:26pm:
It's funny WA would want to secede because it's probably the most vulnerable state in the country. It's mostly desert. A really bad drought and it will be asking for help.


If we did it back in 1933, we'd be rolling in cash right now.


Your state is never far off running out of water. All the cash in the world won't buy you rainfall. If WA seceded I'm sure it would receive less assistance. All the other things it gets from the eastern states which isn't iron ore and wheat.
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Reply #12 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:11pm
 
Yeah well i doubt the people that live there have anything to say about it. Its money for somebody is why it comes up.

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Reply #13 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:14pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:03pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 2:26pm:
It's funny WA would want to secede because it's probably the most vulnerable state in the country. It's mostly desert. A really bad drought and it will be asking for help.


If we did it back in 1933, we'd be rolling in cash right now.


Your state is never far off running out of water. All the cash in the world won't buy you rainfall. If WA seceded I'm sure it would receive less assistance. All the other things it gets from the eastern states which isn't iron ore and wheat.


If we seceded back in 1933, we'd have the Kimberley Pipeline in place now.

We'd have so much water, we'd be bathing in it!


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Reply #14 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:17pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:03pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 2:26pm:
It's funny WA would want to secede because it's probably the most vulnerable state in the country. It's mostly desert. A really bad drought and it will be asking for help.


If we did it back in 1933, we'd be rolling in cash right now.


Your state is never far off running out of water. All the cash in the world won't buy you rainfall. If WA seceded I'm sure it would receive less assistance. All the other things it gets from the eastern states which isn't iron ore and wheat.


If we seceded back in 1933, we'd have the Kimberley Pipeline in place now.

We'd have so much water, we'd be bathing in it!



I thought you'd be against running a pipeline through aboriginal lands?
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