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Reply #15 - Mar 1st, 2007 at 6:59pm
 
Yep, he obviously put a lot of thought into those lyrics.  Grin
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Reply #16 - Mar 14th, 2007 at 1:28am
 
Thanks for the welcome, DT.

"Revolution" is a great song, Auzgurl. I don't think songwriters would write songs which go against their own personal beliefs, just to sell. They might choose to write 'Strictly Commercial', but they would still probably choose subjects they were comfortable with. "Instant Karma" is the Lennon song which speaks best to me.

Lennon's philosophy was not about imposing his 'communist like' views on other people by violence or by institutional means. It was about attitude and about choice. The song "Revolution" is quite specifically a renunciation of the revolutionary brands of Communism attributed to Marx, Lenin, and Mao, and also rejects aggressive political activism. I doubt he ever labeled himself as a communist.

...and Freediver, I think it was actually Paul McCartney who wrote "Back in the USSR" as a parody of US Cold War pop music. The lyrics are probably the way they are for a reason. I also don't think he, or any of his wives, have been Communists.

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Yoko Ono
, that sounds like a good communist name to me...and those squinty eyes...


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Reply #17 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 1:51am
 
No. He was a miserable pot addict who was never happy with the world, so someone put him out of his misery.
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Reply #18 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 6:24am
 
Like most people his opinions evolved. By the time he wrote Give Peace A Chance, he was fed up with all the "isms" people cling to as beliefs, as the lyrics attest. "ism, ism, ism." Communism would have been one of them. John Lennon wasn't a communist he was a sometime idealist, but most importantly, he was a musician.
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Reply #19 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 6:40am
 
issuevoter wrote on Feb 20th, 2023 at 6:24am:
Like most people his opinions evolved. By the time he wrote Give Peace A Chance, he was fed up with all the "isms" people cling to as beliefs, as the lyrics attest. "ism, ism, ism." Communism would have been one of them. John Lennon wasn't a communist he was a sometime idealist, but most importantly, he was a musician.


He was an idealist.

He was a socialist.

He was a musician looking for answers to life’s deeper questions.

Unlike John Lennon, Bob Dylan (his contemporary) found those answers when he became a Christian.




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Reply #20 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:10am
 
Lennon was a badly educated iconoclast.

His skill as a songwriter was augmented, beyond what he would have achieved on his own, by McCartney's skill and, importantly, McCartney's high conscientiousness, when it came to applying himself to the craft.

Lennon did not have McCartney's focus on the job, (he was much less conscientious than McCartney) as evidenced by McCartney's complete reinvention of himself during the 70s, while Lennon mostly languished in an opioid haze.

Had he not been shot, his last album 'Double Fantasy' would have been consigned to the dustbin as unworthy of his former work.

Lennon was, and remained, a malcontent typical of his generation at the time. He was born a British working-class child, who was elevated into the British lower-middle class in his early childhood and so bore the burden of British working-class self-consciousness lacquered with a middle-class sense of upwards mobility.
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Reply #21 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:30am
 
ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Feb 27th, 2007 at 2:29am:
Welcome to the forum, first of all, shithouse rat. Now...

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But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow


You reckon this indicates that Lennon wasn't a communist?



He called himself an instinctive socialist.

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In 1980, on the day he was killed, Lennon did a long interview for a New York radio station. He said growing up in working-class Liverpool had made him “an instinctive socialist.” It gave him a deep hostility to Britain’s ruling class, a hatred of war, and a distinctive kind of verbal humor.

https://jacobin.com/2020/12/john-lennon-beatles-revolution-peace#:~:text=An%20In...
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Reply #22 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:35am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:30am:
ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Feb 27th, 2007 at 2:29am:
Welcome to the forum, first of all, shithouse rat. Now...

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But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow


You reckon this indicates that Lennon wasn't a communist?



He called himself an instinctive socialist.

Quote:
In 1980, on the day he was killed, Lennon did a long interview for a New York radio station. He said growing up in working-class Liverpool had made him “an instinctive socialist.” It gave him a deep hostility to Britain’s ruling class, a hatred of war, and a distinctive kind of verbal humor.

https://jacobin.com/2020/12/john-lennon-beatles-revolution-peace#:~:text=An%20In...

An 'instinctive socialist' who hated paying taxes and went to great lengths to avoid them.

Who disinherited his own son, Julian, during his lifetime.

Lennon was an instinctive sociopath.
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Reply #23 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:47am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:10am:
Lennon was a badly educated iconoclast.

His skill as a songwriter was augmented, beyond what he would have achieved on his own, by McCartney's skill and, importantly, McCartney's high conscientiousness, when it came to applying himself to the craft.

Lennon did not have McCartney's focus on the job, (he was much less conscientious than McCartney) as evidenced by McCartney's complete reinvention of himself during the 70s, while Lennon mostly languished in an opioid haze.

Had he not been shot, his last album 'Double Fantasy' would have been consigned to the dustbin as unworthy of his former work.

Lennon was, and remained, a malcontent typical of his generation at the time. He was born a British working-class child, who was elevated into the British lower-middle class in his early childhood and so bore the burden of British working-class self-consciousness lacquered with a middle-class sense of upwards mobility.

A lippy scouser git, then.
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Reply #24 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:52am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:47am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:10am:
Lennon was a badly educated iconoclast.

His skill as a songwriter was augmented, beyond what he would have achieved on his own, by McCartney's skill and, importantly, McCartney's high conscientiousness, when it came to applying himself to the craft.

Lennon did not have McCartney's focus on the job, (he was much less conscientious than McCartney) as evidenced by McCartney's complete reinvention of himself during the 70s, while Lennon mostly languished in an opioid haze.

Had he not been shot, his last album 'Double Fantasy' would have been consigned to the dustbin as unworthy of his former work.

Lennon was, and remained, a malcontent typical of his generation at the time. He was born a British working-class child, who was elevated into the British lower-middle class in his early childhood and so bore the burden of British working-class self-consciousness lacquered with a middle-class sense of upwards mobility.

A lippy scouser git, then.

It wouldn't be the first time he was called that, although he wasn't a true scouser - he cultivated a scouse accent to go with his working-class singer image.

Lennon was often unaware of the serious risk he put himself, and anyone with him, in when it came to his smartarse wisecracks. He was impulsive, reckless and capable of outbursts of violent rage.
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Reply #25 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 11:05am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:10am:
Lennon was a badly educated iconoclast.

His skill as a songwriter was augmented, beyond what he would have achieved on his own, by McCartney's skill and, importantly, McCartney's high conscientiousness, when it came to applying himself to the craft.

Lennon did not have McCartney's focus on the job, (he was much less conscientious than McCartney) as evidenced by McCartney's complete reinvention of himself during the 70s, while Lennon mostly languished in an opioid haze.

Had he not been shot, his last album 'Double Fantasy' would have been consigned to the dustbin as unworthy of his former work.

Lennon was, and remained, a malcontent typical of his generation at the time. He was born a British working-class child, who was elevated into the British lower-middle class in his early childhood and so bore the burden of British working-class self-consciousness lacquered with a middle-class sense of upwards mobility.


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Lennon did not have McCartney's focus on the job, (he was much less conscientious than McCartney) as evidenced by McCartney's complete reinvention of himself during the 70s, while Lennon mostly languished in an opioid haze.


After the beatles broke up in 1969 both Lennon and McCatney released their first album in 1970 and their second in 1971.

John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band - 1970
John Lenon - Imagine 1971

McCartney (self named) - 1970
RAM - 1971.

Lennon had release 3 works with Yoko Ono while the beatles were still together. Plus a live album and 2 singles. "Give Peace a Chance" and "Cold Turkey"

The facts seem to not agree with your assesment. Both Lennon and McCartney were wonderful writers.
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Reply #26 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 11:10am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:52am:
Frank wrote on Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:47am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:10am:
Lennon was a badly educated iconoclast.

His skill as a songwriter was augmented, beyond what he would have achieved on his own, by McCartney's skill and, importantly, McCartney's high conscientiousness, when it came to applying himself to the craft.

Lennon did not have McCartney's focus on the job, (he was much less conscientious than McCartney) as evidenced by McCartney's complete reinvention of himself during the 70s, while Lennon mostly languished in an opioid haze.

Had he not been shot, his last album 'Double Fantasy' would have been consigned to the dustbin as unworthy of his former work.

Lennon was, and remained, a malcontent typical of his generation at the time. He was born a British working-class child, who was elevated into the British lower-middle class in his early childhood and so bore the burden of British working-class self-consciousness lacquered with a middle-class sense of upwards mobility.

A lippy scouser git, then.

It wouldn't be the first time he was called that.

Lennon was often unaware of the serious risk he put himself, and anyone with him, in when it came to his smartarse wisecracks. He was impulsive, reckless and capable of outbursts of violent rage.


WTF are you guys on about???

John Lennon was all about love and peace....wasn’t he? That’s what we were taught at school (in yr 7 and yr 8 our curriculum included the subject music <—- 2 periods a week and an awesome bludge those 2 lessons were too).

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https://www.google.com.au/search?q=john+lennon+horrible+person&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8...

No way! He was a 2 faced PRICK! 🥺😳😞

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Reply #27 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 11:12am
 
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20201207-how-john-lennon-was-made-into-a-myt...

I can’t believe what I’m reading here. He was violent against women and children ffs😳

In the article : How John Lennon was made into a myth

Under the sub title : A misconceived saint

“Soon after Lennon's death – within hours, really  –  he was portrayed in this really sanctimonious, sanitised way that doesn't do justice to his personality, his sense of humour, or his fellow Beatles,” says Rob Sheffield, a writer for Rolling Stone magazine and the author of the 2017 book Dreaming The Beatles. "I always loved what Paul said in the 80s: 'Since his death he's become Martin Luther Lennon.'"

Naturally, the Dakota building became a focal point for fans in the days after the shooting, transformed into a sea of flowers and grief-stricken notes. Hundreds of people held a silent tribute on the steps of Washington DC's Lincoln Memorial. Radio stations played nothing but Lennon and Beatles songs for days, and record stores sold out of the Lennon-Ono album Double Fantasy. Meanwhile further afield, there was similar beatification going on: within days of his death, too, a mural appeared on a wall in a hidden side-street in Prague, which has been added to and embellished over the years to become a shrine. Despite efforts to remove it or have it covered over, it is now a major tourist attraction and regular stop on guided tours of the Czech capital.
He was the most caustic, sarcastic, withering wit in the music world. So it sells him short to portray him as a simple-minded optimist – Rob Sheffield
"It's understandable that in the first flush of grief, people wanted to pretend he was a saint, but that's the last claim Lennon ever would have made for himself," says Sheffield. "In addition to everything else he was, he was the most caustic, sarcastic, withering wit in the music world. So it sells him short to portray him as a simple-minded optimist."

Lennon certainly wasn't a saint by any stretch of the imagination. Five years ago, a legal document emerged featuring a statement from Dorothy Jarlett, Lennon's housekeeper when he was married to his first wife Cynthia, which painted the star as a serial philanderer who was aggressive and violent to their young son Julian. In an interview with Playboy, published just two days before he died, Lennon admitted, "I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically... any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn't express myself, and I hit."
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Reply #28 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 11:15am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2023 at 11:05am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20th, 2023 at 10:10am:
Lennon was a badly educated iconoclast.

His skill as a songwriter was augmented, beyond what he would have achieved on his own, by McCartney's skill and, importantly, McCartney's high conscientiousness, when it came to applying himself to the craft.

Lennon did not have McCartney's focus on the job, (he was much less conscientious than McCartney) as evidenced by McCartney's complete reinvention of himself during the 70s, while Lennon mostly languished in an opioid haze.

Had he not been shot, his last album 'Double Fantasy' would have been consigned to the dustbin as unworthy of his former work.

Lennon was, and remained, a malcontent typical of his generation at the time. He was born a British working-class child, who was elevated into the British lower-middle class in his early childhood and so bore the burden of British working-class self-consciousness lacquered with a middle-class sense of upwards mobility.


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Lennon did not have McCartney's focus on the job, (he was much less conscientious than McCartney) as evidenced by McCartney's complete reinvention of himself during the 70s, while Lennon mostly languished in an opioid haze.


After the beatles broke up in 1969 both Lennon and McCatney released their first album in 1970 and their second in 1971.

John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band - 1970
John Lenon - Imagine 1971

McCartney (self named) - 1970
RAM - 1971.

Lennon had release 3 works with Yoko Ono while the beatles were still together. Plus a live album and 2 singles. "Give Peace a Chance" and "Cold Turkey"

The facts seem to not agree with your assesment. Both Lennon and McCartney were wonderful writers.

McCartney's successful reinvention was so complete during the 70s with 'Wings', many people born after the Beatles era were unaware that he was in a band before Wings.

McCartney wrote the theme song for the James Bond film 'Live and Let Die'.

The fortune he amassed during his Wings era (from Wings sales alone) eclipsed many times over Lennon's Plastic Ono Band and everything Lennon produced post-Beatles combined.

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Reply #29 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 11:32am
 
👇 Julian Lennon his son.
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