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Re: Where were you when 911 occured?
Reply #30 - Mar 24th, 2007 at 10:45am
 
when u look at the tower as it's going down u can see those explosions. it kind of looks like a controlled demolition.

Most likely the air in the floor below compressing and blowing out the windows.

the towers collapsed too quickly and along with the explosions people witnessed, it looks suss.

Two reasons: the planes put a large hole in the sides which allowed plenty of oxygen in. They also added plenty of fuel.

that's what i thought as well, until i heard eye-witness accounts from people hearing explosions in the basement levels and lobby even before the building came down.

Have you ever ehard a building that size collapse? Of course it's going to sound like an explosion. Police have to deal with dodgy eyewitness reports all the time. People only see or hear something once, then play it back over and over in their head trying to make it fit with what they already know in order to make sense of it.

how does a plane crashing on the 100th floor cause an explosion on level 1 even before the floors started to collapse on top of one another?

Uh, where were these 'eyewitnesses' exactly?

Even a tin roof can make very loud bangs as it heats up.

I find it strange that if engineers are so good at testing, why didn't they allow for a fire burning on multiple floors?

Cost. A regular fire on multiple levels would not have brought it down. Ripping it open and pouring in jet fuel is a completely different matter.
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Re: Where were you when 911 occured?
Reply #31 - Mar 24th, 2007 at 7:04pm
 
AUShole wrote on Mar 24th, 2007 at 7:08am:
I find it strange that if engineers are so good at testing, why didn't they allow for a fire burning on multiple floors? Perhaps the real question should be why the WTC consulting engineers have not been sued for negligence!

Engineering is always about compromise, you can't expect budgets that allow for every little scenario to be tested, you can't necessarily build things to be perfectly impervious to all situations either. Designing and building a tower of that size with a possible collision with a loaded 747 in mind would mean unreasonable costs for what amounts to a very small risk (despite what we know of history).

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I'm sorry Trump, but you have to admit, a 9/11 thread was always very likely to have ended up at this point...  Smiley
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Re: Where were you when 911 occured?
Reply #32 - Mar 24th, 2007 at 8:28pm
 
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Unfortunately... yes... I know.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #33 - Mar 28th, 2007 at 6:48pm
 
Cost. A regular fire on multiple levels would not have brought it down. Ripping it open and pouring in jet fuel is a completely different matter"
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Yes freediver..saw a peice on the structural integrity or lack of it, on the Twin Towers from theyre inception and there were a lot of structural flaws that just didnt take into account the advent of a plane or 2 careering inot the side of them.

I must admit ,  although a terrible tradgedy ,it was a sight to behold,  i never tired of watching and whilst watching  not even at that point aware that there were humans struggling to save themselves.

We will never see  such scenes again I doubt we will..unless a controlled demolition. Huh
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Re: Where were you when 911 occured?
Reply #34 - Mar 31st, 2007 at 5:56pm
 
zoso wrote on Mar 24th, 2007 at 7:04pm:
Designing and building a tower of that size with a possible collision with a loaded 747 in mind would mean unreasonable costs for what amounts to a very small risk (despite what we know of history).



A 747 did not hit the towers.

The engineers DID consider the impact of aircraft strikes when building the towers. The main concern was a light aircraft getting lost in fog. So they thought lets test it out with a Boeing 707 aircraft, which has almost an indentical payload to that of the 767 which did hit the towers.

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Re: Where were you when 911 occured?
Reply #35 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 7:32am
 
What is the payload of the 3 types of aircraft? I would expect the speed would have a major impact. An aircraft lost in fog that low to the ground would not be travelling at full speed. The speed would effect the initial structural damage, the size of the hole for fresh air to enter, and the amount of jet fuel entering the building.
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Four charged in plot to blow up airport
Reply #37 - Jun 3rd, 2007 at 2:03pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Four-charged-in-plot-to-blow-up-airport/2007/06/03/1180809306814.html

Four people, including a former member of Guyana's parliament, have been charged with planning to blow up New York's John F Kennedy International Airport, US officials say.

This was "one of the most chilling plots imaginable," Roslynn Mauskopf, US attorney for the Eastern District of New York, said at a news conference in New York. "The devastation that would be caused ... is just unthinkable."

The plotters sought to blow up the airport's jet fuel tanks and part of the 64km pipeline feeding them from New Jersey. Three of the four suspects, who included a former airline cargo handler, have been arrested, federal law enforcement officials said.

In a recorded conversation one suspect predicted there would be few survivors and that the attacks would result in the destruction of "the whole of Kennedy."

There was no connection to al Qaeda, officials said, but some suspects were linked to an Islamist extremist group in Trinidad.

In one recorded conversation, a suspect compared the plot to the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center, saying, "Even the twin towers can't touch it." He added, "This can destroy the economy of America for some time."

News of the foiled plot comes weeks after six suspected Islamist militants were detained on charges of planning to attack a US Army base at Fort Dix in New Jersey.

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said the plot was "different in its distinct ties to the Caribbean, a region that is rarely thought of in terms of terrorism but of increasing concern to us as a crucible in the foment of Islamic radicalism."

White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo said President George W Bush had been briefed and updated regularly on the progress of the investigation. "This case is a good example of international counterterrorism cooperation," she said.
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Re: Four charged in plot to blow up airport
Reply #38 - Jun 3rd, 2007 at 4:58pm
 
Ban the koran I reckon
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Re: Four charged in plot to blow up airport
Reply #39 - Jun 3rd, 2007 at 7:07pm
 
Should we ban the Bible while we are at it for followers targeting abortion clinics?
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Re: Four charged in plot to blow up airport
Reply #40 - Jun 3rd, 2007 at 8:04pm
 
Here we go again..sigh

Please qualify your statement supporting the banning of one religious document that has encouraged extremism yet exonerates another.
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Re: Four charged in plot to blow up airport
Reply #41 - Jun 3rd, 2007 at 9:06pm
 
Fair comment IQSRLOW.  I was wrong to post that. 
Even if it were possible, we should not ban the koran.

My belief in freedom of speech overides a simplistic idealistic approach.

As a side point, other christians reported the abortion clinic bombers. 
The abortion clinic bombings were not supported by The Bible
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Reply #42 - Jun 3rd, 2007 at 9:10pm
 
[Quote= oceans_blue] Well Oceans I apolagise [/quote]

Spot the idiot that can't spell or even download a spell checker  Roll Eyes

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Re: Four charged in plot to blow up airport
Reply #43 - Jun 3rd, 2007 at 9:13pm
 
I just realised that  IQSRLOW had only a few postings. And a full stop after their name.
Silly me.
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Re: Four charged in plot to blow up airport
Reply #44 - Jun 3rd, 2007 at 9:16pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 3rd, 2007 at 9:06pm:
Fair comment IQSRLOW.  I was wrong to post that. 
Even if it were possible, we should not ban the koran.

My belief in freedom of speech overides a simplistic idealistic approach.

As a side point, other christians reported the abortion clinic bombers. 
The abortion clinic bombings were not supported by The Bible


It is admirable that you are able to admit when you have said something wrong sprint, although the reporting that you concede was a specific case and there have been other attacks perpetuated by extremist Christians.

Although attacks on abortion clinics are not supported by your interpretation of the bible, others see it differently.
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