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Okay maybe I'm exaggerating. I think I enjoyed it for the first FEW days. After that it got boring.

I was on the toilet...it gave me the sh-its. Too much coverage.

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You don't like me very much, do you Auzgurl?

Ahh good ole 9/11. I had mates over on the night and we missed it entirely, but I was woken up hung over by a mate carrying on about planes falling out of the sky and hitting buildings and such. I can remember distinctly rolling over and telling him to bugger off and let me sleep! 

After a while I got up, it was a bit full on for a while but the news coverage ruined it. I agree with Gavin it was massively over the top. For all the carry on I never understood why it was a world changing event, clearly it was but I mean planes had been hijacked before, just never used in that way... never have since. To me it was a mind blowing comedy of errors, I mean two planes were hijacked and flew a decent distance before getting to NY and nothing was done about it?

My two eldest brothers were there, one lived in New York (still does) and lost 3 or 4 friends in the towers, the other was in New Jersey and could see the smoke from his back yard. He reckons America went nuts, completely crazy, dudes were stopping cabs and dragging muslims onto the street and beating them and so on, people just lost it. My uncle was in one of the buildings the day before!

Planes hitting the towers was one thing but the really big thing was the fact that they fell down, I now find it ironic that so many people put so much weight on what I consider to be simply a quirk of engineering, a colossal failure if you will. Fire took the buildings down, not planes, it could have happened and could happen again with no terrorist intervention whatsoever. Buildings, particularly in the states where they use steel more than we do, are massively prone to collapse due to fire, hundreds of them all over the world. A strong enough fire will weaken the steel causing the floors to sag and pull the walls in, only one floor has to go to take down the whole lot. I queried my old man (architect - large commercial buildings) on the whole fire proofing of steel but he just laughed and said the fire proofing is there to slow this down enough for people to get out - it won't save the building. To me its just ironic that they know this and yet pour billions into the war on terror and have done nothing about improving fire regulations for large buildings...

Gavin wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2007 at 10:11am:

Then you are at odds with the engineering reports.

There are quirks about the WTC situation, for one it is believed that the planes dislodged much of the fire proofing on the steel structure, secondly it is believed that the re-application of fire proofing had become lax and a reports showed much of it was falling off months before the planes hit - having not been fixed since.

Not all sky scrapers are all-steel structures either. Flat slab reinforced concrete I believe provides much more fire protection for the steel structure buried inside. It is a fact that fire can bring down steel buildings, just because some have burned and not fallen down does not mean the same has to be the case for the WTC.

As for the explosions, thats just a load of bull and I'm getting rather tired of all this 9/11 conspiracy nonsense. The upper levels fell from about the point where the plane hit, you can see this from the footage easily. Now if an entire 10 or 15 floors of a scyscraper of that size suddenly drops, what kind of pressures do you think will build up in the floor that collapses? Huge ones. The 'explosions' are just windows blowing out with loads of flame (enormous fire - look at the smoke!) due to massive rise in pressure from the upper floors falling. Once one level falls then the rest go and yes it will look like a controlled demolition - this is because buildings do not fall over sideways, they fall straight down, and even still the top section of one of the towers tilts to an angle before collapsing straight down. If bombs took it out then the plane would have had to hit precisely where the bombs were planted... and not disturb them...

More importantly... how on earth do you cover up a conspiracy of that magnitude??

Gavin wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2007 at 11:06am:

How does an explosion on level one cause the top section of the building to fall partially sideways before collapse?

I don't want to get too far into this, people in New Orleans testified in court that they heard explosions down near the levy walls during katrina... does that mean it happened? Americans are always looking out for a conspiracy, and I even believe their government perpetuates this feeling on purpose.

Fire fighters have said they heard loud crashes prior to the building collapse, it was in a state of structural failure, it makes sense to me that things were going crash bang. With the magnitude of the event it even makes sense to me that you would hear structural failures from 100 floors up as though they were at the bottom levels through sound conduction - remember, sound travels very well and very fast through solids.

The Pentagon crash... damn suspicious, Bali bomb 2, probably planted by the local police, I can handle these because there is evidence to support them (former Indo president has said the 2nd bali bomb was a set up and the terrorists were paid by government...). I just think all the evidence behind 9/11 points to fire. We disagree, but thats cool

Will Zoso and Gavin please stop turning this into a 9/11 conspiracy thread?

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Yes, the same type of engineering reports which were used prior to construction of the building in the first place! 

I find it strange that if engineers are so good at testing, why didn't they allow for a fire burning on multiple floors? Perhaps the real question should be why the WTC consulting engineers have not been sued for negligence!

There is still no explanation as to why 7WTC collapsed. The report is due out this year. Interestingly, controlled explosions and thermite residue will be included in their research. Hopefully, the report will be thorough enought to put an end to all the speculation.