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Re: Climate Change bullocks
Reply #60 - Oct 17th, 2007 at 3:08pm
 
The melting of the ice shelves is releasing methane and methane hydrates (which are even nastier) into the atmosphere.
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Reply #61 - Oct 17th, 2007 at 4:05pm
 
That's the farming method typically used for rice, not the rice plant itself.
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Reply #62 - Oct 17th, 2007 at 5:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2007 at 4:05pm:
That's the farming method typically used for rice, not the rice plant itself.


Yep yep yep  Smiley
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Re: Climate Change bullocks
Reply #63 - Oct 20th, 2007 at 1:27pm
 
so what your saying is if we stop farming rice that would have more of an impact than anything else Smiley
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Reply #64 - Oct 20th, 2007 at 3:19pm
 
CO2 is the main culprit, not methane. In Australia, about half of our CO2 emissions come from electricity production.
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Reply #65 - Oct 28th, 2007 at 1:07am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 20th, 2007 at 3:19pm:
CO2 is the main culprit, not methane. In Australia, about half of our CO2 emissions come from electricity production.


Therefore we should all stop breathing. Tongue

We are more likely to be wiped out by a meteor than by climate change.
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Reply #66 - Oct 28th, 2007 at 9:24am
 
There are other risks to be considered besides being wiped out completely, but it is good to see you have the issue in perspective.
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land clearing blamed for temperature rise
Reply #67 - Oct 28th, 2007 at 9:03pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Land-clearing-blamed-for-climate-change/2007/10/28/1193555525054.html

Land clearing has led to climate change in Australia, a University of Queensland-led report says.

UQ's Dr Clive McAlpine said their research showed the clearing of native vegetation had made Australian droughts hotter.

"Our findings highlight that it is too simplistic to attribute climate change purely to greenhouse gases," said Dr McAlpine of UQ's Centre for Remote Sensing and Spatial Information Science.

"Our work shows that the 2002-03 El Nino drought in eastern Australia was on average two degrees hotter because of vegetation clearing," Dr McAlpine said.

Dr McAlpine said their research showed average summer rainfall decreased by between four and 12 per cent in eastern Australia, and four and eight per cent in south-west Western Australia - regions that have had the most extensive clearing over the years.

"Native vegetation moderates climate fluctuations and this has important, largely unrecognised consequences for agriculture and stressed land and water resources," Dr McAlpine said.

"Australian native vegetation holds more moisture that subsequently evaporates and recycles back as rainfall.

"It also reflects into space less short-wave solar radiation ... and this process keeps the surface temperature cooler and aids cloud formation."
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Reply #68 - Oct 30th, 2007 at 1:05pm
 
yes, we need to reforrest aussie  with edible fruits .

make it a self sustaining eden .

It'ld solve many problems

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Reply #69 - Oct 30th, 2007 at 9:51pm
 
And Bunya nuts, Macadamias etc.
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Reply #70 - Oct 30th, 2007 at 10:39pm
 
and mangoes, star fruit, lolly berries, panamanian cherrys, citrus, grapes, passionfruit, fruit salad fruit.


I so miss my permaculture garden. Going to make them wherever I live now.
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Aussie drought blamed on global warming
Reply #71 - Oct 31st, 2007 at 6:02pm
 
I just picked a handful of grumichums (type of Brazil cherry, not sour) from a tree I only discovered in the backyard about a year ago.



Aussie drought blamed on global warming

http://news.smh.com.au/aussie-drought-blamed-on-global-warming/20071214-1h4x.html

Global warming is playing a direct role in Australia's drought, with higher temperatures having a significant impact on the availability of water, scientists say.

Most of southern Australia has recorded its hottest year on record in 2007 and rainfall in some areas has been higher this year than in 2006.

But while there are optimistic forecasts for better than average falls over summer, higher temperatures mean much of the water is not getting into Australia's storage systems.

National Climate Centre chief Michael Coughlan said it was becoming clear that the difference between the current drought conditions and those in Australia's past was that global warming was pushing the mercury higher.
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climate change and the 'hockey stick' graphs
Reply #72 - Nov 21st, 2007 at 4:45pm
 
From the IPCC, the leading scientific body on climate change:

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Print_Ch06.pdf

Climate has changed on all time scales throughout Earth’s history.Some aspects of the current climate change are not unusual, but others are. The concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has reached a record high relative to more than the past half-million years, and has done so at an exceptionally fast rate. Current global temperatures are warmer than they have ever been during at least the past five centuries, probably even for more than a millennium. If warming continues unabated, the resulting climate change within this century would be extremely unusual in geological terms. Another unusual aspect of recent climate change is its cause: past climate changes were natural in origin (see FAQ 6.1), whereas most of the warming of the past 50 years is attributable to human activities.

The main reason for the current concern about climate change is the rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration (and some other greenhouse gases), which is very unusual for the Quaternary (about the last two million years). The concentration of CO2 is now known accurately for the past 650,000 years from antarctic ice cores. During this time, CO2 concentration varied between a low of 180 ppm during cold glacial times and a high of 300 ppm during warm interglacials. Over the past century, it rapidly increased well out of this range, and is now 379 ppm (see Chapter 2). For comparison, the approximately 80-ppm rise in CO2 concentration at the end of the past ice ages generally took over 5,000 years. Higher values than at present have only occurred many millions of years ago (see FAQ 6.1).

A different matter is the current rate of warming. Are more rapid global climate changes recorded in proxy data? The largest temperature changes of the past million years are the glacial cycles, during which the global mean temperature changed by 4°C to 7°C between ice ages and warm interglacial periods (local changes were much larger, for example near the continental ice sheets). However, the data indicate that the global warming at the end of an ice age was a gradual process taking about 5,000 years (see Section 6.3). It is thus clear that the current rate of global climate change is much more rapid and very unusual in the context of past changes. The much-discussed abrupt climate shifts during glacial times (see Section 6.3) are not counter-examples, since they were probably due to changes in ocean heat transport, which would be unlikely to affect the global mean temperature.

If projections of approximately 5°C warming in this century (the upper end of the range) are realised, then the Earth will have experienced about the same amount of global mean warming as it did at the end of the last ice age; there is no evidence that this rate of possible future global change was matched by any comparable global temperature increase of the last 50 million years.

See the graphs here:

page 448, CO2 concentrations over the last 20000 years: http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/IPCC-paleoclimate-p448.pdf

page 467, temperature over the last 1300 years: http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/IPCC-paleoclimate-p467.pdf

Climate change, for the sceptics: http://www.ozpolitic.com/green-tax-shift/climate-change-for-the-sceptics.html
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Carbon emission facts
Reply #73 - Nov 16th, 2007 at 9:20am
 

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"I've never once heard ANY good scientific debate about the effects of C-emissions. Truth be known Carbon Dioxide makes up only 0.03% of the earths atmosphere (by volume I think), and only 1.3% of this can be attributed to humans. Which gives 0.0000039% of the atmosphere being human generated Carbon Dioxide. Furthermore Carbon Dioxide is not the primary contributer to the greenhouse effect, water vapour is and contributes to the effect around three times more than carbon dioxide...

A good reason not to ratify Kyoto would instead be because its based on fundamentalist environmental fanaticism and has nothing to do with science! "
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Re: Carbon emission facts
Reply #74 - Nov 16th, 2007 at 9:46am
 
Of course he hasn't heard any good debate - people keep disagreeing with him.
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