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9/11 Conspiracy put to death...
Jan 6^th, 2007 at 8:08am

http://www.911review.com/boulderweekly/markup/coverstory.html

He writes that when viewing the collapse in real time, the towers both fall at 9.8 meters per second squared—or a free-fall state. The only way he sees this being possible is if the resistance was blown away from beneath it. In the pancake theory, he claims the building would have taken longer to fall and would have stalled briefly at each floor.

Let's mourn for the conspiracy theorists Cry

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Guest(Guest) Guest	Re: 9/11 Conspiracy put to death... Reply #1 - Jan 6^th, 2007 at 4:48pm The rubble was 12 storeys high. The collapse was only from the point of impact. That makes the distance fallen at 9.8m/s/s a lot less than the total height. The cpnspiraphiles are all loopy..
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49836 At my desk.	do the maths Reply #2 - Jan 6^th, 2007 at 4:55pm could you show us your working please? enviro, should that be abstain, not sustain?
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Guest(Guest) Guest	Re: 9/11 Conspiracy put to death... Reply #3 - Jan 6^th, 2007 at 8:09pm I just did. The loopys figure the time on freefall for the total height of the tower. The distance is a lot less than that as i have already pointed out. Most of the action takes place in a debris cloud anyway. They have no way of being accurate. or correct.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49836 At my desk.	Re: 9/11 Conspiracy put to death... Reply #4 - Jan 7^th, 2007 at 12:24pm All you gave was the acceleration. You left out distance and time. What you posted was an assertion, not any kind of calculation.
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Guest(Guest) Guest	Re: 9/11 Conspiracy put to death... Reply #5 - Jan 8^th, 2007 at 10:57am Free... do you think perhaps if you calculated the time required from the point of impact floor to the height of the 12th storey you might get what you specifically want? The point was that the conspiracists relate (as I have mentioned) freefall time for the entire building. Tippy top to ground level.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49836 At my desk.	Re: 9/11 Conspiracy put to death... Reply #6 - Jan 8^th, 2007 at 11:06am Who knows what I would get if I actually did the calculation? But if I did do it I would show the calculation rather than just insisting everyone else got it wrong while hiding my own assumptions and estimates. I'm not the one drawing the conclusions.
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Reply #7 - Jan 8^th, 2007 at 11:25am

Well apart from the first bit that was an insulting and totally uncalled for flame wasn't it.

I put my point forward, easy enough to understand, repeated myself and never at any stage made a claim about wanting to submit a specific calculation. But I know what the loopys have calculated and why they are wrong another point I explained.

Which means that since there was a much lesser distance required in the calculation the time taken is indeed probable for a more reasonable explanation.

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Reply #8 - Jan 8^th, 2007 at 11:31am

What was a flame?

That makes the distance fallen at 9.8m/s/s a lot less than the total height.

This is a conclusion that could only be drawn from doing an actual calculation. You have made several comments about the significance of the 12 storeys to the time taken to fall, without doing a very simple calcualtion to show that it is indeed significant. At least whoever it is that you are criticising probably did a calculation.

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Reply #9 - Jan 8^th, 2007 at 11:40am

Flame? - But if I did do it I would show the calculation rather than just insisting everyone else got it wrong while hiding my own assumptions and estimates. I'm not the one drawing the conclusions. That flame.

9.8m/s/s is the rate of acceleration due to the force of gravity. It's not a calculation.

Do you need to calculate that 50 metres is less than 200 metres? Or that the time required to cross those distances at the same rate of acceleration would be different? The answer is NO.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49836 At my desk.	Re: 9/11 Conspiracy put to death... Reply #10 - Jan 8^th, 2007 at 11:43am That isn't a flame. Well at least you are starting to give a few more numbers now. If we keep this up we may end up with enough numbers to draw some kind of conclusion.
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Guest(Guest) Guest	Re: 9/11 Conspiracy put to death... Reply #11 - Jan 8^th, 2007 at 1:55pm That's another flame.
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Reply #12 - Jan 8^th, 2007 at 2:30pm

If you don't know how to do the maths just give me the assumptions and I'll do it for you. It would be a lot easier to let the figures speak for themselves than argue over something we know nothing about.

What did the 'conspiracy theorists' estimate the building height as, and what is the 'alternative' estimate with the rubble pile taken into account? I'm assuming 200m and 50m were not serious suggestions. Also, what fall time did they get from the video and what conclusions did they draw from that?

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Guest(Guest) Guest	Re: 9/11 Conspiracy put to death... Reply #13 - Jan 8^th, 2007 at 9:16pm more flaming? look. I know how to do the maths... speak for yourself. "WE" may not know... but I do. You want figures? They are available all over the net. Look up the plans for the towers. My point has been more than adequately made.
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Reply #14 - Jan 8^th, 2007 at 11:23pm

It seems like any event or disaster now results in a conspiracy theory
Except that bombings in Iraq are not explained in this way, strangely

Why would the WTC, Bali, European bombings, etc, be carried out by the West?

Nothing I've seen posted anywhere persuades me terrorists didn't do it
Planes flew into the twin towers - I saw the second one in real time on TV
I saw the towers fall down as it happened on TV

But I'm no supporter of the subsequent war on Iraq
The second invasion of Iraq has turned out to be an obscene disaster
Maybe even criminal
The abductions, torture and murder by all sides certainly are

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