https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-19/prime-minister-announces-national-gun-buyback-scheme/106162002

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has announced a national gun buyback scheme, labelling it the largest such measure since John Howard established a similar plan in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre.


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The buyback initiative would be consistent with the 1996 approach, Mr Albanese told reporters in Canberra on Friday, and target surplus, newly banned and illegal firearms.

Strengthening gun laws was the government's first major commitment in the immediate aftermath of the deadly terror attack on Sydney's Jewish community, in which 15 people including a 10-year-old girl were killed.

Mr Albanese said the government would introduce legislation to provide the funding for the buyback initiative and that the Commonwealth would split the cost with the states and territories on a 50:50 basis.

The states and territories would also be responsible for the collection, processing and payments under the prime minister's proposal, while the Australian Federal Police would manage the destruction of the weapons.

Albo is finally doing something.  ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 11:54am:

Albo is finally doing something.  ::)

The focus groups results have fallen on his desk .

No, no, no - why would you do this again!  This is as useful as Victoria’a Machete hand in and Ban.  Look at how that turned out!  This is treating Australians like idiots!

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It may come as a shock to learn there are more guns in Australia now than there were before the Port Arthur massacre in 1996.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/gun-ownership-is-rising-in-australia-heres-why/ldde2tb0g

I hope they crush them with a hydraulic press in front of the owner?

Some guns in past buybacks ended up back on the streets via corrupt cops.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 11:54am:

Albo is finally doing something.

Blaming the guns more than the perpetrators. ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 11:54am:

Albo is finally doing something.  ::)

Yeah, but not dealing with the root of the problem - Islamic extremism and anti-semitism.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 12:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 11:54am: Albo is finally doing something.  ::) Yeah, but not dealing with the root of the problem - Islamic extremism and anti-semitism.

Give him a another week -

Bibi told him what to do today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPChpQs8HbE

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 12:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 11:54am: Albo is finally doing something.  ::) Yeah, but not dealing with the root of the problem - Islamic extremism and anti-semitism.

You don't think that Israel murdering over 70,000 innocent Palistinians helps to drive anti-semitism ?

That isn't an excuse for the disgusting events at Bondi - its just an inconvinient fact and likely the current most likely driver for the disgraceful level of anti-semitism that we have been seeing.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 12:34pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:18pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 11:54am: Albo is finally doing something.  ::) Yeah, but not dealing with the root of the problem - Islamic extremism and anti-semitism. You don't think that Israel murdering over 70,000 innocent Palistinians helps to drive anti-semitism ? That isn't an excuse for the disgusting events at Bondi - its just an inconvinient fact and likely the current most likely driver for the disgraceful level of anti-semitism that we have been seeing.

You don't think that near-constant attacks by Hamas on Israel, missile barrages and the October 7 attack might have finally tipped Israel over the edge? Hamas fired 3,000-5,000 rockets into Israeli territory on the morning of October 7. I'm not saying that the Israeli response has been entirely acceptable. Far too many innocent Palestinian people have died, but that is largely due to Hamas using their own innocent civilian population as human shields. This isn't conjecture - it's a well known and agreed upon fact that Hamas has done this for a long time.

Israeli people just want to live in peace, but not Hamas. They will not rest until they achieve their ultimate goal of the destruction of Israel. That's all they exist for.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 12:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:34pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:18pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 11:54am: Albo is finally doing something.  ::) Yeah, but not dealing with the root of the problem - Islamic extremism and anti-semitism. You don't think that Israel murdering over 70,000 innocent Palistinians helps to drive anti-semitism ? That isn't an excuse for the disgusting events at Bondi - its just an inconvinient fact and likely the current most likely driver for the disgraceful level of anti-semitism that we have been seeing. You don't think that near-constant attacks by Hamas on Israel, missile barrages and the October 7 attack might have finally tipped Israel over the edge? Hamas fired 3,000-5,000 rockets into Israeli territory on the morning of October 7. I'm not saying that the Israeli response has been entirely acceptable. Far too many innocent Palestinian people have died, but that is largely due to Hamas using their own innocent civilian population as human shields. This isn't conjecture - it's a well known and agreed upon fact that Hamas has done this for a long time. Israeli people just want to live in peace, but not Hamas. They will not rest until they achieve their ultimate goal of the destruction of Israel. That's all they exist for.

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Palestinian people have died, but that is largely due to Hamas using their own innocent civilian population as human shields.

That is Israeli propoganda that isn't supported by the facts. They mostly bombed areas where they knew there was no Hamas presence, they were deliberately targeting innocents most of the time.

Of course what happened on Oct 7 was a disgrace but deliberately killing innocent people who had nothing to with it is hardly a justifyable response. All they achieved was to unnecessarily incentivise a world wide negative  anti-semetic response possibly contributing to events like Bondi. Just plain dumb.

The way to create peace is never by creating a few hundren thousand more active enemies. Each of those dead 70,000 plus have several family members who will now understandably continue this violence over the next generations.

They have only made it worse. They have only made the world less safe, They have only made their own people less safe.

Yeah, jihadis and other crims are eager to sell their guns.

The Bondi ****head jihadis, like the bikies, the muslim drug gangs and other crims,  only had 6 guns coz they couldn't find buyers for them.... ::) ::)

Can we have a Muslim buyback instead?

Vic wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 12:01pm:

No, no, no - why would you do this again!  This is as useful as Victoria’a Machete hand in and Ban.  Look at how that turned out!  This is treating Australians like idiots!

Yes VIC and it's very unoriginal too.

A Moslem, Sudanese and Somali SEND BACK SCHEME would be more effective.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 1:02pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:40pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:34pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:18pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 11:54am: Albo is finally doing something.  ::) Yeah, but not dealing with the root of the problem - Islamic extremism and anti-semitism. You don't think that Israel murdering over 70,000 innocent Palistinians helps to drive anti-semitism ? That isn't an excuse for the disgusting events at Bondi - its just an inconvinient fact and likely the current most likely driver for the disgraceful level of anti-semitism that we have been seeing. You don't think that near-constant attacks by Hamas on Israel, missile barrages and the October 7 attack might have finally tipped Israel over the edge? Hamas fired 3,000-5,000 rockets into Israeli territory on the morning of October 7. I'm not saying that the Israeli response has been entirely acceptable. Far too many innocent Palestinian people have died, but that is largely due to Hamas using their own innocent civilian population as human shields. This isn't conjecture - it's a well known and agreed upon fact that Hamas has done this for a long time. Israeli people just want to live in peace, but not Hamas. They will not rest until they achieve their ultimate goal of the destruction of Israel. That's all they exist for. Quote: Palestinian people have died, but that is largely due to Hamas using their own innocent civilian population as human shields. That is Israeli propoganda that isn't supported by the facts. They mostly bombed areas where they knew there was no Hamas presence, they were deliberately targeting innocents most of the time. Of course what happened on Oct 7 was a disgrace but deliberately killing innocent people who had nothing to with it is hardly a justifyable response. All they achieved was to unnecessarily incentivise a world wide negative  anti-semetic response possibly contributing to events like Bondi. Just plain dumb. The way to create peace is never by creating a few hundren thousand more active enemies. Each of those dead 70,000 plus have several family members who will now understandably continue this violence over the next generations. They have only made it worse. They have only made the world less safe, They have only made their own people less safe.

What would you have done in response to the 7 Octobed attack when hundreds of innocent people were killed?

Frank wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 1:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 1:02pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:40pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:34pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:18pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 11:54am: Albo is finally doing something.  ::) Yeah, but not dealing with the root of the problem - Islamic extremism and anti-semitism. You don't think that Israel murdering over 70,000 innocent Palistinians helps to drive anti-semitism ? That isn't an excuse for the disgusting events at Bondi - its just an inconvinient fact and likely the current most likely driver for the disgraceful level of anti-semitism that we have been seeing. You don't think that near-constant attacks by Hamas on Israel, missile barrages and the October 7 attack might have finally tipped Israel over the edge? Hamas fired 3,000-5,000 rockets into Israeli territory on the morning of October 7. I'm not saying that the Israeli response has been entirely acceptable. Far too many innocent Palestinian people have died, but that is largely due to Hamas using their own innocent civilian population as human shields. This isn't conjecture - it's a well known and agreed upon fact that Hamas has done this for a long time. Israeli people just want to live in peace, but not Hamas. They will not rest until they achieve their ultimate goal of the destruction of Israel. That's all they exist for. Quote: Palestinian people have died, but that is largely due to Hamas using their own innocent civilian population as human shields. That is Israeli propoganda that isn't supported by the facts. They mostly bombed areas where they knew there was no Hamas presence, they were deliberately targeting innocents most of the time. Of course what happened on Oct 7 was a disgrace but deliberately killing innocent people who had nothing to with it is hardly a justifyable response. All they achieved was to unnecessarily incentivise a world wide negative  anti-semetic response possibly contributing to events like Bondi. Just plain dumb. The way to create peace is never by creating a few hundren thousand more active enemies. Each of those dead 70,000 plus have several family members who will now understandably continue this violence over the next generations. They have only made it worse. They have only made the world less safe, They have only made their own people less safe. What would you have done in response to the 7 Octobed attack when hundreds of innocent people were killed?

Stop stealing Palestinian land for starters.  Withdraw settlements from Palestinian areas of the West Bank.  Stop extra-judicial executions of Palestinieans.  Establish a fair Palestinian state.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 1:56pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 1:35pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 1:02pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:40pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:34pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:18pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 11:54am: Albo is finally doing something.  ::) Yeah, but not dealing with the root of the problem - Islamic extremism and anti-semitism. You don't think that Israel murdering over 70,000 innocent Palistinians helps to drive anti-semitism ? That isn't an excuse for the disgusting events at Bondi - its just an inconvinient fact and likely the current most likely driver for the disgraceful level of anti-semitism that we have been seeing. You don't think that near-constant attacks by Hamas on Israel, missile barrages and the October 7 attack might have finally tipped Israel over the edge? Hamas fired 3,000-5,000 rockets into Israeli territory on the morning of October 7. I'm not saying that the Israeli response has been entirely acceptable. Far too many innocent Palestinian people have died, but that is largely due to Hamas using their own innocent civilian population as human shields. This isn't conjecture - it's a well known and agreed upon fact that Hamas has done this for a long time. Israeli people just want to live in peace, but not Hamas. They will not rest until they achieve their ultimate goal of the destruction of Israel. That's all they exist for. Quote: Palestinian people have died, but that is largely due to Hamas using their own innocent civilian population as human shields. That is Israeli propoganda that isn't supported by the facts. They mostly bombed areas where they knew there was no Hamas presence, they were deliberately targeting innocents most of the time. Of course what happened on Oct 7 was a disgrace but deliberately killing innocent people who had nothing to with it is hardly a justifyable response. All they achieved was to unnecessarily incentivise a world wide negative  anti-semetic response possibly contributing to events like Bondi. Just plain dumb. The way to create peace is never by creating a few hundren thousand more active enemies. Each of those dead 70,000 plus have several family members who will now understandably continue this violence over the next generations. They have only made it worse. They have only made the world less safe, They have only made their own people less safe. What would you have done in response to the 7 Octobed attack when hundreds of innocent people were killed? Stop stealing Palestinian land for starters.  Withdraw settlements from Palestinian areas of the West Bank.  Stop extra-judicial executions of Palestinieans.  Establish a fair Palestinian state.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

IN RESPONSE TO THE 7 October attack.

The only way to beat an insurgency is to basically give into its demands in a measure, sensible, way.  Soren you have never been involved  in COIN operations have you?  The Australian Army which was successful in Vietnam, Afghanistan and elsewhere teaches that the only way to is give into its demands in a sensible, measured way.  Of course, Israel would never be sensible because of the Zionist belief in Eretz Israel.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...::) ::)

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 1:02pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:40pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:34pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:18pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 11:54am: Albo is finally doing something.  ::) Yeah, but not dealing with the root of the problem - Islamic extremism and anti-semitism. You don't think that Israel murdering over 70,000 innocent Palistinians helps to drive anti-semitism ? That isn't an excuse for the disgusting events at Bondi - its just an inconvinient fact and likely the current most likely driver for the disgraceful level of anti-semitism that we have been seeing. You don't think that near-constant attacks by Hamas on Israel, missile barrages and the October 7 attack might have finally tipped Israel over the edge? Hamas fired 3,000-5,000 rockets into Israeli territory on the morning of October 7. I'm not saying that the Israeli response has been entirely acceptable. Far too many innocent Palestinian people have died, but that is largely due to Hamas using their own innocent civilian population as human shields. This isn't conjecture - it's a well known and agreed upon fact that Hamas has done this for a long time. Israeli people just want to live in peace, but not Hamas. They will not rest until they achieve their ultimate goal of the destruction of Israel. That's all they exist for. Quote: Palestinian people have died, but that is largely due to Hamas using their own innocent civilian population as human shields. That is Israeli propoganda that isn't supported by the facts. They mostly bombed areas where they knew there was no Hamas presence, they were deliberately targeting innocents most of the time. Of course what happened on Oct 7 was a disgrace but deliberately killing innocent people who had nothing to with it is hardly a justifyable response. All they achieved was to unnecessarily incentivise a world wide negative  anti-semetic response possibly contributing to events like Bondi. Just plain dumb. The way to create peace is never by creating a few hundren thousand more active enemies. Each of those dead 70,000 plus have several family members who will now understandably continue this violence over the next generations. They have only made it worse. They have only made the world less safe, They have only made their own people less safe.

Sorry but it is supported by overwhelming evidence and facts. Israeli forces found weapons caches and barracks rooms and other military infrastructure used by Hamas in tunnels beneath a major hospital in Gaza. It’s not a myth - it’s a well known fact that Hamas uses civilians as human shields!

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 1:56pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 1:35pm: What would you have done in response to the 7 Octobed attack when hundreds of innocent people were killed? Stop stealing Palestinian land for starters. Withdraw settlements from Palestinian areas of the West Bank. Stop extra-judicial executions of Palestinieans. Establish a fair Palestinian state.

ADDITIONAL.......from my archive......


Yadda wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 12:08am:

Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history       :P Could you answer some basic questions about the country of Palestine ? : 1. When was it founded and by whom? 2. What language did the Palestinians speak? 3. What writing [script] did they use? 4. What manuscripts did they leave? 5. What was their religion? 6. Where are their temples? 7. What monuments attest to their existence? 8. What were its borders? 9. What was the name of its capital? 10. What were its major cities? 11. What constituted the basis of its economy? 12. What was the name of the currency that they used? 13. What was its form of government? 14. What achievements have they accomplished? 15. What other peoples did Palestine interact with? 16. Where can one find any [historic] records, wherein the country of Palestine and its people are mentioned? 17. What archaeological sites can one name? 18. Where can one find the recorded history of these people? 19. Whom did they conquer?, or, were conquered by? 20. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation [or doubt]? 21. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine? 22. Can anyone name at least five Palestinian leaders before Arafat? 23. Finally, since there is no such recognised country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur? Further, why did these proud 'Palestinians' between 1948 and 1967, passively, allow themselves to be occupied by the Jordanians in the 'West Bank', and by the Egyptians in Gaza? Those Q's  [above] are taken from; Part 142 - Palestine and Palestinians http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04iGfi9No6M ........... ...........

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 3:34pm:

The only way to beat an insurgency is to basically give into its demands in a measure, sensible, way.  Soren you have never been involved  in COIN operations have you?  The Australian Army which was successful in Vietnam, Afghanistan and elsewhere teaches that the only way to is give into its demands in a sensible, measured way.  Of course, Israel would never be sensible because of the Zionist belief in Eretz Israel.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...::) ::)

So surrender is the answer.  Why didn't Monash, Churchill, Stalin think of that when Chamberlaine showed the Bbwiyawnesque way.

Why didn't Charles Marten think of that or the Viennese in 1529 and 1683, Paris in 1870.

You are even more spineless and bent than I thought.


And as an aside- as an auxiliary truck driver, if indeed you did serve in the army -  in the 80s you were too late for Vietnam and too early for Afghanistan.  So once again, your crippling, ludicrous vanity and total inadequacy is on display.

When the need arises to buy back votes!!   Bring in gun laws... and a buyback will follow.

COIN ops are dedicated to getting the other guy to slowly give credence to YOUR way - well - at least before you withdraw the strong arm of troops on the ground - at which point they will start over again.

Hearts and minds works until the bad guys are free to exercise their mind and get it to follow their hearts ... in the meantime any deal will do...

Frank wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 5:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 3:34pm: The only way to beat an insurgency is to basically give into its demands in a measure, sensible, way.  Soren you have never been involved  in COIN operations have you?  The Australian Army which was successful in Vietnam, Afghanistan and elsewhere teaches that the only way to is give into its demands in a sensible, measured way.  Of course, Israel would never be sensible because of the Zionist belief in Eretz Israel.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...::) ::) So surrender is the answer.  Why didn't Monash, Churchill, Stalin think of that when Chamberlaine showed the Bbwiyawnesque way. Why didn't Charles Marten think of that or the Viennese in 1529 and 1683, Paris in 1870.

They were fighting a conventional war is why. They were not fighting a COIN war. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


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And as an aside- as an auxiliary truck driver, if indeed you did serve in the army -  in the 80s you were too late for Vietnam and too early for Afghanistan.  So once again, your crippling, ludicrous vanity and total inadequacy is on display.

I was never employed as a, "auxiliary truck driver", Soren.  However, I do have a Master of Defence Studies.  I studied the lessons of Vietnam extensivelly. I followed events in Afghanistan and elsewhere, since.  You seem to heve sat on your arse and just Trolled everybody with your Bigotry, Racism and Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Lefty wankers say that Islam is not the motive to kill.
The guns have their own motive to kill. ;D

Just heard on the news -

the buyback won't start till next July  2026!     ::)


And Albo won't recall parliament before Xmas -
it's just inconvenient. 
Can't interrupt those politicians Xmas holidays.    ::)

Who feels safer knowing in the  distant future people like Naveed Akram will be restricted under Albo new laws to only owning  4 high powered rifles?

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 8:31pm:

Who feels safer knowing in the  distant future people like Naveed Akram will be restricted under Albo new laws to only owning  4 high powered rifles?

Albo is too weak - he's like a little fairy.   ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 8:41pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:31pm: Who feels safer knowing in the  distant future people like Naveed Akram will be restricted under Albo new laws to only owning  4 high powered rifles? Albo is too weak - he's like a little fairy.   ::)

Why didn't ScoMo do something when he was PM?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 8:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:41pm: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:31pm: Who feels safer knowing in the  distant future people like Naveed Akram will be restricted under Albo new laws to only owning  4 high powered rifles? Albo is too weak - he's like a little fairy.   ::) Why didn't ScoMo do something when he was PM?

They have ALL been like Albo when it comes to Islam.  Here, in Britain, Europe, North America.

All pandering to morons like you, Bbwiyawn, paki, mothra and the rest.

Frank wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 8:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:48pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:41pm: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:31pm: Who feels safer knowing in the  distant future people like Naveed Akram will be restricted under Albo new laws to only owning  4 high powered rifles? Albo is too weak - he's like a little fairy.   ::) Why didn't ScoMo do something when he was PM? They have ALL been like Albo when it comes to Islam.  Here, in Britain, Europe, North America. All pandering to morons like you, Bbwiyawn, paki, mothra and the rest.

This is a discussion about guns, not religion.

Why didn't ScoMo do something about gun laws when he was PM?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 8:59pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:48pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:41pm: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:31pm: Who feels safer knowing in the  distant future people like Naveed Akram will be restricted under Albo new laws to only owning  4 high powered rifles? Albo is too weak - he's like a little fairy.   ::) Why didn't ScoMo do something when he was PM? They have ALL been like Albo when it comes to Islam.  Here, in Britain, Europe, North America. All pandering to morons like you, Bbwiyawn, paki, mothra and the rest. This is a discussion about guns, not religion. Why didn't ScoMo do something about gun laws when he was PM?

You ARE a despicable.evil shhit.

You are simply looking for maximum expressions of evil shittery, you disgusting hideous abomination.

Frank wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 9:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:59pm: Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:48pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:41pm: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:31pm: Who feels safer knowing in the  distant future people like Naveed Akram will be restricted under Albo new laws to only owning  4 high powered rifles? Albo is too weak - he's like a little fairy.   ::) Why didn't ScoMo do something when he was PM? They have ALL been like Albo when it comes to Islam.  Here, in Britain, Europe, North America. All pandering to morons like you, Bbwiyawn, paki, mothra and the rest. This is a discussion about guns, not religion. Why didn't ScoMo do something about gun laws when he was PM? You ARE a despicable.evil shhit. You are simply looking for maximum expressions of evil shittery, you disgusting hideous abomination.

This is a discussion about guns, not religion.

Why didn't ScoMo do something about gun laws when he was PM?

Police are saying Bondi terrorist had 6 legal guns for some reason they leave out he had one illegal shotgun

Police said on Sunday Bondi terrorist had a Remington 870 which is a pump action shotgun.
Video shows terrorist using pump action after shooting the first victim the Russian Jew called Boris to load another round.
Police have also said Ahmed the Syrian muslim probably didn't know how to cycle this shotgun and load another round for not shooting the terrorist when he took Rem 870 shotgun from him.
This Remington 870 was banned in 1996.

This buyback will do nothing to reduce the threat of Islamic terrorism.

The new laws proposed will not do anything to stop the 35-40 houses being shot up every year in South Western Sydney by middle eastern gangs.

These 2 middle easterm males used AK47 to shoot up a house then posted shooting on social media.
Semi auto AK 47 were banned in 1996 the full auto was never legal here.

The oldest offender is 22 so it can't be something he didn't hand in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48wVqNbQ834

Illegal guns come in as easy as illicit drugs, illegal immigrants and ABC lefty propaganda.

My very little research on this topic has led me to believe that  Western Australia has the best model for gun laws ( as well as hate speech).

The main focus that should be Albos is a Federal registry of firearms and the Federal takeover from the states of gun laws and implement a Federal act based on what WA has done.

I am deeply concerned that the gun buy back will be restricted to those who have guns that don’t fit the new laws rather than a all inclusive buy back scheme that aims ( poorly chosen word) to remove all guns both registered and already illegal.

Unfortunately Albo  seems to be looking for a quick media release rather than any long term solution to combat Extreme Islam ☪️ .

It’s acceptable to take on a 100 neo nazis but  labor needs the million Muslim votes?

His brief mention of looking into improving migration screening hasn’t been mentioned since .

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 8:28am:

My very little research on this topic has led me to believe that  Western Australia has the best model for gun laws ( as well as hate speech). The main focus that should be Albos is a Federal registry of firearms and the Federal takeover from the states of gun laws and implement a Federal act based on what WA has done. I am deeply concerned that the gun buy back will be restricted to those who have guns that don’t fit the new laws rather than a all inclusive buy back scheme that aims ( poorly chosen word) to remove all guns both registered and already illegal. Unfortunately Albo  seems to be looking for a quick media release rather than any long term solution to combat Extreme Islam ☪️ . It’s acceptable to take on a 100 neo nazis but  labor needs the million Muslim votes? His brief mention of looking into improving migration screening hasn’t been mentioned since .

It looks a bit silly to focus on guns, a bit like banning balaclavas to prevent bank robberies.

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 8:28am:

My very little research on this topic has led me to believe that  Western Australia has the best model for gun laws ( as well as hate speech). The main focus that should be Albos is a Federal registry of firearms and the Federal takeover from the states of gun laws and implement a Federal act based on what WA has done. I am deeply concerned that the gun buy back will be restricted to those who have guns that don’t fit the new laws rather than a all inclusive buy back scheme that aims ( poorly chosen word) to remove all guns both registered and already illegal. Unfortunately Albo  seems to be looking for a quick media release rather than any long term solution to combat Extreme Islam ☪️ . It’s acceptable to take on a 100 neo nazis but  labor needs the million Muslim votes? His brief mention of looking into improving migration screening hasn’t been mentioned since .

https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/cf/a5/b2/cfa5b2186e73a022e01906169dc5bc14.png

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 8:28am:

My very little research on this topic has led me to believe that  Western Australia has the best model for gun laws ( as well as hate speech). The main focus that should be Albos is a Federal registry of firearms and the Federal takeover from the states of gun laws and implement a Federal act based on what WA has done. I am deeply concerned that the gun buy back will be restricted to those who have guns that don’t fit the new laws rather than a all inclusive buy back scheme that aims ( poorly chosen word) to remove all guns both registered and already illegal. Unfortunately Albo  seems to be looking for a quick media release rather than any long term solution to combat Extreme Islam ☪️ . It’s acceptable to take on a 100 neo nazis but  labor needs the million Muslim votes? His brief mention of looking into improving migration screening hasn’t been mentioned since .

This is about gun control, not immigration.

The victims at Bondi died from gunshot wounds.

Similarly, the victims at Port Arthur died from gunshot wounds.

No guns = no fatal gunshot wounds.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 9:38am:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:28am: My very little research on this topic has led me to believe that  Western Australia has the best model for gun laws ( as well as hate speech). The main focus that should be Albos is a Federal registry of firearms and the Federal takeover from the states of gun laws and implement a Federal act based on what WA has done. I am deeply concerned that the gun buy back will be restricted to those who have guns that don’t fit the new laws rather than a all inclusive buy back scheme that aims ( poorly chosen word) to remove all guns both registered and already illegal. Unfortunately Albo  seems to be looking for a quick media release rather than any long term solution to combat Extreme Islam ☪️ . It’s acceptable to take on a 100 neo nazis but  labor needs the million Muslim votes? His brief mention of looking into improving migration screening hasn’t been mentioned since . This is about gun control, not immigration. The victims at Bondi died from gunshot wounds. Similarly, the victims at Port Arthur died from gunshot wounds. No guns = no fatal gunshot wounds.

So the gunmen who trained in the Philippines to kill people would have come back to Australia and thought oh well we can't kill the jews here because they have banned guns. Is that what you are trying to tell me. Are you really that stupid.

Leroy wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 9:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:38am: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:28am: My very little research on this topic has led me to believe that  Western Australia has the best model for gun laws ( as well as hate speech). The main focus that should be Albos is a Federal registry of firearms and the Federal takeover from the states of gun laws and implement a Federal act based on what WA has done. I am deeply concerned that the gun buy back will be restricted to those who have guns that don’t fit the new laws rather than a all inclusive buy back scheme that aims ( poorly chosen word) to remove all guns both registered and already illegal. Unfortunately Albo  seems to be looking for a quick media release rather than any long term solution to combat Extreme Islam ☪️ . It’s acceptable to take on a 100 neo nazis but  labor needs the million Muslim votes? His brief mention of looking into improving migration screening hasn’t been mentioned since . This is about gun control, not immigration. The victims at Bondi died from gunshot wounds. Similarly, the victims at Port Arthur died from gunshot wounds. No guns = no fatal gunshot wounds. So the gunmen who trained in the Philippines to kill people would have come back to Australia and thought oh well we can't kill the jews here because they have banned guns. Is that what you are trying to tell me. Are you really that stupid.

No guns = no fatal gunshot wounds.

Indisputable fact.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 9:46am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:45am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:38am: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:28am: My very little research on this topic has led me to believe that  Western Australia has the best model for gun laws ( as well as hate speech). The main focus that should be Albos is a Federal registry of firearms and the Federal takeover from the states of gun laws and implement a Federal act based on what WA has done. I am deeply concerned that the gun buy back will be restricted to those who have guns that don’t fit the new laws rather than a all inclusive buy back scheme that aims ( poorly chosen word) to remove all guns both registered and already illegal. Unfortunately Albo  seems to be looking for a quick media release rather than any long term solution to combat Extreme Islam ☪️ . It’s acceptable to take on a 100 neo nazis but  labor needs the million Muslim votes? His brief mention of looking into improving migration screening hasn’t been mentioned since . This is about gun control, not immigration. The victims at Bondi died from gunshot wounds. Similarly, the victims at Port Arthur died from gunshot wounds. No guns = no fatal gunshot wounds. So the gunmen who trained in the Philippines to kill people would have come back to Australia and thought oh well we can't kill the jews here because they have banned guns. Is that what you are trying to tell me. Are you really that stupid. No guns = no fatal gunshot wounds. Indisputable fact.

No legal guns, banning guns will not remove all guns.

Indisputable fact.

Leroy wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 9:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:46am: Leroy wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:45am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:38am: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:28am: My very little research on this topic has led me to believe that  Western Australia has the best model for gun laws ( as well as hate speech). The main focus that should be Albos is a Federal registry of firearms and the Federal takeover from the states of gun laws and implement a Federal act based on what WA has done. I am deeply concerned that the gun buy back will be restricted to those who have guns that don’t fit the new laws rather than a all inclusive buy back scheme that aims ( poorly chosen word) to remove all guns both registered and already illegal. Unfortunately Albo  seems to be looking for a quick media release rather than any long term solution to combat Extreme Islam ☪️ . It’s acceptable to take on a 100 neo nazis but  labor needs the million Muslim votes? His brief mention of looking into improving migration screening hasn’t been mentioned since . This is about gun control, not immigration. The victims at Bondi died from gunshot wounds. Similarly, the victims at Port Arthur died from gunshot wounds. No guns = no fatal gunshot wounds. So the gunmen who trained in the Philippines to kill people would have come back to Australia and thought oh well we can't kill the jews here because they have banned guns. Is that what you are trying to tell me. Are you really that stupid. No guns = no fatal gunshot wounds. Indisputable fact. No legal guns, banning guns will not remove all guns. Indisputable fact.

Banning immigration and/or religion will not stop people from being fatally wounded by guns.

People being killed by guns is a gun issue.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 9:59am:

Leroy wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:46am: Leroy wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:45am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:38am: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:28am: My very little research on this topic has led me to believe that  Western Australia has the best model for gun laws ( as well as hate speech). The main focus that should be Albos is a Federal registry of firearms and the Federal takeover from the states of gun laws and implement a Federal act based on what WA has done. I am deeply concerned that the gun buy back will be restricted to those who have guns that don’t fit the new laws rather than a all inclusive buy back scheme that aims ( poorly chosen word) to remove all guns both registered and already illegal. Unfortunately Albo  seems to be looking for a quick media release rather than any long term solution to combat Extreme Islam ☪️ . It’s acceptable to take on a 100 neo nazis but  labor needs the million Muslim votes? His brief mention of looking into improving migration screening hasn’t been mentioned since . This is about gun control, not immigration. The victims at Bondi died from gunshot wounds. Similarly, the victims at Port Arthur died from gunshot wounds. No guns = no fatal gunshot wounds. So the gunmen who trained in the Philippines to kill people would have come back to Australia and thought oh well we can't kill the jews here because they have banned guns. Is that what you are trying to tell me. Are you really that stupid. No guns = no fatal gunshot wounds. Indisputable fact. No legal guns, banning guns will not remove all guns. Indisputable fact. Banning immigration and/or religion will not stop people from being fatally wounded by guns. People being killed by guns is a gun issue.

So you don't believe that these muslims were radicalized by islam and killed 15 people because they were jews, you think they were mental and it just happened to be jews who were killed.

Leroy wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 10:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:59am: Leroy wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:46am: Leroy wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:45am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:38am: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:28am: My very little research on this topic has led me to believe that  Western Australia has the best model for gun laws ( as well as hate speech). The main focus that should be Albos is a Federal registry of firearms and the Federal takeover from the states of gun laws and implement a Federal act based on what WA has done. I am deeply concerned that the gun buy back will be restricted to those who have guns that don’t fit the new laws rather than a all inclusive buy back scheme that aims ( poorly chosen word) to remove all guns both registered and already illegal. Unfortunately Albo  seems to be looking for a quick media release rather than any long term solution to combat Extreme Islam ☪️ . It’s acceptable to take on a 100 neo nazis but  labor needs the million Muslim votes? His brief mention of looking into improving migration screening hasn’t been mentioned since . This is about gun control, not immigration. The victims at Bondi died from gunshot wounds. Similarly, the victims at Port Arthur died from gunshot wounds. No guns = no fatal gunshot wounds. So the gunmen who trained in the Philippines to kill people would have come back to Australia and thought oh well we can't kill the jews here because they have banned guns. Is that what you are trying to tell me. Are you really that stupid. No guns = no fatal gunshot wounds. Indisputable fact. No legal guns, banning guns will not remove all guns. Indisputable fact. Banning immigration and/or religion will not stop people from being fatally wounded by guns. People being killed by guns is a gun issue. So you don't believe that these muslims were radicalized by islam and killed 15 people because they were jews, you think they were mental and it just happened to be jews who were killed.

It's not what I believe that matters - it's what we all know as an indisputable fact.

Banning immigration and/or religion will not stop people from being fatally wounded by guns.

People being killed by guns is a gun issue.

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Bobby. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 10:18am:

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I personally hate guns.
In my opinion only very few people should have them:
farmers need them for killing feral pests and injured livestock,
professional feral pest eradicators need them,
cops need them.

People who want them for a hobby shouldn't count -
get a better hobby -
that hobby risks people being killed by accidents and misuse,
and also their guns stolen and used by criminals to shoot people.
1000's of guns are stolen every year.

I'd like to live in a world where not even the cops need guns -
but that will never happen.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2025 at 8:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:41pm: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:31pm: Who feels safer knowing in the  distant future people like Naveed Akram will be restricted under Albo new laws to only owning  4 high powered rifles? Albo is too weak - he's like a little fairy.   ::) Why didn't ScoMo do something when he was PM?

Because he didn't appease the jihadis. ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 9:59am:

People being killed by guns is a gun issue.

Being killed by guns is an irresponsible shooter issue. Responsible people do not shoot people, unless authorised. Gun accidents are an irresponsible act.  ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 11:02am:

I personally hate guns. In my opinion only very few people should have them: farmers need them for killing feral pests and injured livestock, professional feral pest eradicators need them, cops need them. People who want them for a hobby shouldn't count - get a better hobby - that hobby risks people being killed by accidents and misuse, and also their guns stolen and used by criminals to shoot people. 1000's of guns are stolen every year. I'd like to live in a world where not even the cops need guns - but that will never happen.

I agree, Bobby.

I remember the good old days when the cops didn't carry guns on their side - they were only brought out of the station when needed (bank robberies, usually).

If you're a gun collector, tough! - start collecting stamps instead.

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“ The NSW Labor government on Saturday announced it would outlaw the display of terrorist symbols, such as Islamic State and Hamas flags, and clamp down on ban hate speech, including banning the phrase “globalise the intifada”.

“ The guardian

And suddenly it’s not all about gun control

Gee, who didn't see this coming?

I'm sure all the criminals and potential terrorists will be lining up in droves to hand in their guns and other weapons.

You're a useless fwit, Albanese. Do the honourable thing and resign now. And take the rest of your pathetic excuse for a government with you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 11:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:02am: I personally hate guns. In my opinion only very few people should have them: farmers need them for killing feral pests and injured livestock, professional feral pest eradicators need them, cops need them. People who want them for a hobby shouldn't count - get a better hobby - that hobby risks people being killed by accidents and misuse, and also their guns stolen and used by criminals to shoot people. 1000's of guns are stolen every year. I'd like to live in a world where not even the cops need guns - but that will never happen. I agree, Bobby. I remember the good old days when the cops didn't carry guns on their side - they were only brought out of the station when needed (bank robberies, usually). If you're a gun collector, tough! - start collecting stamps instead.

I agree.

110% correct

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Bobby. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 3:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:39am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:02am: I personally hate guns. In my opinion only very few people should have them: farmers need them for killing feral pests and injured livestock, professional feral pest eradicators need them, cops need them. People who want them for a hobby shouldn't count - get a better hobby - that hobby risks people being killed by accidents and misuse, and also their guns stolen and used by criminals to shoot people. 1000's of guns are stolen every year. I'd like to live in a world where not even the cops need guns - but that will never happen. I agree, Bobby. I remember the good old days when the cops didn't carry guns on their side - they were only brought out of the station when needed (bank robberies, usually). If you're a gun collector, tough! - start collecting stamps instead. I agree.

Guns owned by collectors in NSW are permanently disabled and can't be made to fire.

More Hoplophobic ignorance on display.

Gordon wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 4:39pm:

110% correct https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSPqjthUf/

Nails it

Should you be able to own more than 1 gun?  NSW collectors own as many as 100 guns.  Is that too many?  I think so but I'm a noted hoplophobe as the Baron likes to call me on occasion.  I've used machine guns, when I was in the Army, I'm not frightened by guns, I fear idiots like the Baron with guns.  As I cannot control his level of stupidity, I can control the guns he brandishes.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 5:13pm:

Should you be able to own more than 1 gun?  NSW collectors own as many as 100 guns.  Is that too many?  I think so but I'm a noted hoplophobe as the Baron likes to call me on occasion.  I've used machine guns, when I was in the Army, I'm not frightened by guns, I fear idiots like the Baron with guns.  As I cannot control his level of stupidity, I can control the guns he brandishes.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

I fired M16s at Singleton Army base when i was in high school cadets.

Being in the cadets taught me they lied about the army where you spend most of your time marching on parade with a ego tripping CSM barking out orders  ::)

I gun isn't going to cut it with range of ferals hunters are allowed to shoot from small rabbits to large pigs.

Target Shooters are allowed spare guns in case one malfunctions so they can use another.
I should remind idiots like Bwhine Target shooting is an Olympic sport with perfect safety record.

I have never been charged by the Police for anything i am a law abiding citizen.
My last speeding ticket was in 1997.
Bwhine has an irrational fear of me ;D.

A Theatrical Armorer is the ultimate gun license when Greens point out someone inner Sydney has over 600 guns they never mention he supplies Fox Studios who took over Sydney Showgrounds.
Who would have thought those who supply movie makers need a huge variety of guns.

Theatrical Armorers can have just about anything like dealers they are allowed to Function Test them to make sure they're in perfect working order.

They have to be on set when they're being used to stop things like that Leftist idiot Alec Baldwin from accidently killing someone.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 5:13pm: Should you be able to own more than 1 gun?  NSW collectors own as many as 100 guns.  Is that too many?  I think so but I'm a noted hoplophobe as the Baron likes to call me on occasion.  I've used machine guns, when I was in the Army, I'm not frightened by guns, I fear idiots like the Baron with guns.  As I cannot control his level of stupidity, I can control the guns he brandishes.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) I fired M16s at Singleton Army base when i was in high school cadets. Being in the cadets taught me they lied about the army where you spend most of your time marching on parade with a ego tripping CSM barking out orders  ::)

Square-bashing is intended to instill discipline in the recipients of commands.  It obviously failed with you, Baron.  It is a time honoured tradition in Commonwealth armies.  Americans can't do drill.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


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I gun isn't going to cut it with range of ferals hunters are allowed to shoot from small rabbits to large pigs. Target Shooters are allowed spare guns in case one malfunctions so they can use another. I should remind idiots like Bwhine Target shooting is an Olympic sport with perfect safety record. I have never been charged by the Police for anything i am a law abiding citizen. My last speeding ticket was in 1997. Bwhine has an irrational fear of me ;D. A Theatrical Armorer is the ultimate gun license when Greens point out someone inner Sydney has over 600 guns they never mention he supplies Fox Studios who took over Sydney Showgrounds. Who would have thought those who supply movie makers need a huge variety of guns. Theatrical Armorers can have just about anything like dealers they are allowed to Function Test them to make sure they're in perfect working order. They have to be on set when they're being used to stop things like that Leftist idiot Alec Baldwin from accidently killing someone.

I am afraid of idiots like you, Baron. The M16 is a WOFTAM as a rifle goes. Perfect for school boys to play at soldier with.  They are dangerous to their targets but they frequently suffer from stoppages.  They belong to the Americans who like toy guns.  As for the number of weapons that an individual can possesse 1 is sufficient for casual users.  Why do you keep finding exceptions to justify over ownership of firearms?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 5:55pm:

As for the number of weapons that an individual can possesse 1 is sufficient for casual users.

A casual user? One who shoots bunnies? One who shoots foxes? One who shoots both? Just how is a casual user defined? By their targets or by the times they shoot? ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 5:13pm:

I fear idiots like the Baron with guns.

And yet you can't know his level of training or his level of responsibility. The WOFTAM Bwian is you and your preconceptions, ::)

lee wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 6:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 5:13pm: I fear idiots like the Baron with guns. And yet you can't know his level of training or his level of responsibility. The WOFTAM Bwian is you and your preconceptions, ::)

I have encountered gun nuts like the Baron many times in the past.  They absorb their knowledge primarily from Hollywood and books.  They have little understanding of the real usability of weapons. They believe the myths and lies promulgated by Hollywood.  Some good Square-bashing would do him some world of good.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 5:55pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 5:36pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 5:13pm: Should you be able to own more than 1 gun?  NSW collectors own as many as 100 guns.  Is that too many?  I think so but I'm a noted hoplophobe as the Baron likes to call me on occasion.  I've used machine guns, when I was in the Army, I'm not frightened by guns, I fear idiots like the Baron with guns.  As I cannot control his level of stupidity, I can control the guns he brandishes.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) I fired M16s at Singleton Army base when i was in high school cadets. Being in the cadets taught me they lied about the army where you spend most of your time marching on parade with a ego tripping CSM barking out orders  ::) Square-bashing is intended to instill discipline in the recipients of commands.  It obviously failed with you, Baron.  It is a time honoured tradition in Commonwealth armies.  Americans can't do drill.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Quote: I gun isn't going to cut it with range of ferals hunters are allowed to shoot from small rabbits to large pigs. Target Shooters are allowed spare guns in case one malfunctions so they can use another. I should remind idiots like Bwhine Target shooting is an Olympic sport with perfect safety record. I have never been charged by the Police for anything i am a law abiding citizen. My last speeding ticket was in 1997. Bwhine has an irrational fear of me ;D. A Theatrical Armorer is the ultimate gun license when Greens point out someone inner Sydney has over 600 guns they never mention he supplies Fox Studios who took over Sydney Showgrounds. Who would have thought those who supply movie makers need a huge variety of guns. Theatrical Armorers can have just about anything like dealers they are allowed to Function Test them to make sure they're in perfect working order. They have to be on set when they're being used to stop things like that Leftist idiot Alec Baldwin from accidently killing someone. I am afraid of idiots like you, Baron. The M16 is a WOFTAM as a rifle goes. Perfect for school boys to play at soldier with.  They are dangerous to their targets but they frequently suffer from stoppages.  They belong to the Americans who like toy guns.  As for the number of weapons that an individual can possesse 1 is sufficient for casual users.  Why do you keep finding exceptions to justify over ownership of firearms?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Martial arts gives greater discipline than mindless "right dress eyes front left turn" bullshit with parades in the army.

Sanchin Kata you have to keep focus and not get distracted while high ranks are kicking and punching you as you do it.
If you flinch you fail you have to block out the pain and distractions and keep going.
One of my martial arts friends joined the army ended up in the SAS which is better than being a kitchen hand like you. ::)

Firing a machine gun doesn't make you an expert on guns i did get to fire a few of them when i lived in the US.
Dad still lives there he has a Bren gun respect to the diggers who had to carry that one.

The M16 is what it is the military thought it was alright all the old diggers i know prefer L1A1.

The AR15 is a POS i wouldn't own one.
I did post a video of GAP-10 in my sub forum does 0.25 MOA which is more accurate than just about every hunting rifle not bad for a semi auto .308.

I would say minimum for serious hunter
1-.22lr for small feral critters and up close kill shots for wounded road kill
2. 12 g shotgun with slugs good for just about anything up to 100 yards, buckshot for feral cats they're pretty fast at times.
3. .204 Ruger or .223 rem, I prefer .223AI. Good for rabbits at longer ranges Foxes wild dogs.
4. .243 Winchester with 90 gr is considered minimum for ethical shooting with feral pigs and goats.55-70 grain for foxes wild dogs at longer than .223 range
5. .308 Winchester lots of ammo available better for pigs and goats.
6. 7mm rem mag or 280 Ackley for NT Buffalo Camels and feral horses

If you look at .308 get a short barrel 16-18 inch for scrub hunting with pigs or a longer 24 inch for open fields or maybe one of each? ::)

If you're a serious hunter you need a range of guns to have the right tools for whatever feral pests you can hunt.

Those who claim hunters only need 1 have never been out in the bush hunting.

Those who claim target shooters only need 1 gun have never been involved with target shooting.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 6:49pm:

I have encountered gun nuts like the Baron many times in the past.

Bwhine is just a keyboard warrior who has never been in a real fight.

Never met a someone who claims to be an atheist yet is so spineless he can't criticise Islamic death penalty for atheists because he isn't a muslim or member of their country.

Bhwine then shows his total hypocrisy by criticising US Constitutional rights despite not living there or being an American
;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

How is you Debate and Relate forum going Bhwine did everybody leave and it died because they thought you are an idiot?
;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 6:49pm:

I have encountered gun nuts like the Baron many times in the past.

Have you? Personally? Or just rhetorically? ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 5:13pm:

Should you be able to own more than 1 gun?  )

1 gun is all they gave grunts like you who were considered expendable cannon fodder.
It doesn't make you an expert on guns.

I have a friend who is a former SAS trained sniper he had to learn the 1 gun you had along with everything else from .308 to 50 BMG rifles

When he starts talking about  Coriolis effect with long range shooting the Physics understanding is quite impressive.

He has probably forgotten more than you know about guns.  ::)

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 7:02pm:

Martial arts gives greater discipline than mindless "right dress eyes front left turn" bullshit with parades in the army.

It does not install instant obedience.  Doing what your told when you're told is what Square-bashing installs. An important skill in a soldier.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


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Sanchin Kata you have to keep focus and not get distracted while high ranks are kicking and punching you as you do it. If you flinch you fail you have to block out the pain and distractions and keep going. One of my martial arts friends joined the army ended up in the SAS which is better than being a kitchen hand like you. ::) Firing a machine gun doesn't make you an expert on guns i did get to fire a few of them when i lived in the US. Dad still lives there he has a Bren gun respect to the diggers who had to carry that one. The M16 is what it is the military thought it was alright all the old diggers i know prefer L1A1. The AR15 is a POS i wouldn't own one. I did post a video of GAP-10 in my sub forum does 0.25 MOA which is more accurate than just about every hunting rifle not bad for a semi auto .308. I would say minimum for serious hunter 1-.22lr for small feral critters and up close kill shots for wounded road kill 2. 12 g shotgun with slugs good for just about anything up to 100 yards, buckshot for feral cats they're pretty fast at times. 3. .204 Ruger or .223 rem, I prefer .223AI. Good for rabbits at longer ranges Foxes wild dogs. 4. .243 Winchester with 90 gr is considered minimum for ethical shooting with feral pigs and goats.55-70 grain for foxes wild dogs at longer than .223 range 5. .308 Winchester lots of ammo available better for pigs and goats. 6. 7mm rem mag or 280 Ackley for NT Buffalo Camels and feral horses If you look at .308 get a short barrel 16-18 inch for scrub hunting with pigs or a longer 24 inch for open fields or maybe one of each? ::) If you're a serious hunter you need a range of guns to have the right tools for whatever feral pests you can hunt. Those who claim hunters only need 1 have never been out in the bush hunting. Those who claim target shooters only need 1 gun have never been involved with target shooting.

Hunters only need one gun. I am not referring to professional hunters but rather casual weekend hunters.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 7:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 7:02pm: Martial arts gives greater discipline than mindless "right dress eyes front left turn" bullshit with parades in the army. It does not install instant obedience.  Doing what your told when you're told is what Square-bashing installs. An important skill in a soldier.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Quote: Sanchin Kata you have to keep focus and not get distracted while high ranks are kicking and punching you as you do it. If you flinch you fail you have to block out the pain and distractions and keep going. One of my martial arts friends joined the army ended up in the SAS which is better than being a kitchen hand like you. ::) Firing a machine gun doesn't make you an expert on guns i did get to fire a few of them when i lived in the US. Dad still lives there he has a Bren gun respect to the diggers who had to carry that one. The M16 is what it is the military thought it was alright all the old diggers i know prefer L1A1. The AR15 is a POS i wouldn't own one. I did post a video of GAP-10 in my sub forum does 0.25 MOA which is more accurate than just about every hunting rifle not bad for a semi auto .308. I would say minimum for serious hunter 1-.22lr for small feral critters and up close kill shots for wounded road kill 2. 12 g shotgun with slugs good for just about anything up to 100 yards, buckshot for feral cats they're pretty fast at times. 3. .204 Ruger or .223 rem, I prefer .223AI. Good for rabbits at longer ranges Foxes wild dogs. 4. .243 Winchester with 90 gr is considered minimum for ethical shooting with feral pigs and goats.55-70 grain for foxes wild dogs at longer than .223 range 5. .308 Winchester lots of ammo available better for pigs and goats. 6. 7mm rem mag or 280 Ackley for NT Buffalo Camels and feral horses If you look at .308 get a short barrel 16-18 inch for scrub hunting with pigs or a longer 24 inch for open fields or maybe one of each? ::) If you're a serious hunter you need a range of guns to have the right tools for whatever feral pests you can hunt. Those who claim hunters only need 1 have never been out in the bush hunting. Those who claim target shooters only need 1 gun have never been involved with target shooting. Hunters only need one gun. I am not referring to professional hunters but rather casual weekend hunters.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Of course it doesn't give you instant obedience it takes time and a bit of practice to block out and ignore someone is bashing you while doing Sanchin Kata.
Sanchin is Brown Belt requirement.

We also had he is bludging everyone down give me 50 push ups and 50 sit ups.
If you finished earlier than others you would be told do another 20 while they catch up.

Having done both i will say martial arts is 10x better for discipline.
As Benny the Jet Urquidez said the way you train is the way you react.

Which gun in my list would you say is all hunters need?

.280 Ackley ? ::)

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 7:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 6:49pm: I have encountered gun nuts like the Baron many times in the past. Bwhine is just a keyboard warrior who has never been in a real fight.

I've never claimed to have been in a fight, Baron.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


Quote:

Never met a someone who claims to be an atheist yet is so spineless he can't criticise Islamic death penalty for atheists because he isn't a muslim or member of their country.

I am being truthful.  Baron, I know you want to lie all the time and criticise an entire religion.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 7:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 7:31pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 7:02pm: Martial arts gives greater discipline than mindless "right dress eyes front left turn" bullshit with parades in the army. It does not install instant obedience.  Doing what your told when you're told is what Square-bashing installs. An important skill in a soldier.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Quote: Sanchin Kata you have to keep focus and not get distracted while high ranks are kicking and punching you as you do it. If you flinch you fail you have to block out the pain and distractions and keep going. One of my martial arts friends joined the army ended up in the SAS which is better than being a kitchen hand like you. ::) Firing a machine gun doesn't make you an expert on guns i did get to fire a few of them when i lived in the US. Dad still lives there he has a Bren gun respect to the diggers who had to carry that one. The M16 is what it is the military thought it was alright all the old diggers i know prefer L1A1. The AR15 is a POS i wouldn't own one. I did post a video of GAP-10 in my sub forum does 0.25 MOA which is more accurate than just about every hunting rifle not bad for a semi auto .308. I would say minimum for serious hunter 1-.22lr for small feral critters and up close kill shots for wounded road kill 2. 12 g shotgun with slugs good for just about anything up to 100 yards, buckshot for feral cats they're pretty fast at times. 3. .204 Ruger or .223 rem, I prefer .223AI. Good for rabbits at longer ranges Foxes wild dogs. 4. .243 Winchester with 90 gr is considered minimum for ethical shooting with feral pigs and goats.55-70 grain for foxes wild dogs at longer than .223 range 5. .308 Winchester lots of ammo available better for pigs and goats. 6. 7mm rem mag or 280 Ackley for NT Buffalo Camels and feral horses If you look at .308 get a short barrel 16-18 inch for scrub hunting with pigs or a longer 24 inch for open fields or maybe one of each? ::) If you're a serious hunter you need a range of guns to have the right tools for whatever feral pests you can hunt. Those who claim hunters only need 1 have never been out in the bush hunting. Those who claim target shooters only need 1 gun have never been involved with target shooting. Hunters only need one gun. I am not referring to professional hunters but rather casual weekend hunters.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Of course it doesn't give you instant obedience it takes time and a bit of practice to block out and ignore someone is bashing you while doing Sanchin Kata. Sanchin is Brown Belt requirement. We also had he is bludging everyone down give me 50 push ups and 50 sit ups. If you finished earlier than others you would be told do another 20 while they catch up. Having done both i will say martial arts is 10x better for discipline. As Benny the Jet Urquidez said the way you train is the way you react. Which gun in my list would you say is all hunters need? .280 Ackley ? ::)

Tell us which gun from that list is all a hunter needs Bwhine? ::)

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 7:40pm:

Of course it doesn't give you instant obedience

Instant obedience is what you need in the Army.  You need to know that the diggers around you will do what they are told, when they are told. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

We need a Muslim sendback scheme.

Gordon wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 8:33pm:

We need a Muslim sendback scheme.

But that prick was born here and radicalised here.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 8:39pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:33pm: We need a Muslim sendback scheme. But that prick was born here and radicalised here.

Who was a radical first? The father or the son? If the father was not imported the son would not have been born here?
"Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man" : Aristotle

Setanta wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 10:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:39pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:33pm: We need a Muslim sendback scheme. But that prick was born here and radicalised here. Who was a radical first? The father or the son? If the father was not imported the son would not have been born here?

Fathers don't give birth to children - mothers do.

It depends where his mother was, not his father.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 8:39pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:33pm: We need a Muslim sendback scheme. But that prick was born here and radicalised here.

Exactly.

He's an Australian-born citizen.

Just like this guy:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Martin_Bryant.jpg

Moreover, both of his parents are Australian-born citizens too.

Immigration has nothing to do with it.

Gordon wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 8:33pm:

We need a Muslim sendback scheme.

Gordon,

It is too late now.

Followers of ISLAM are too well established, in Australia......[and in the UK, and in continental Europe].

There will be a civil war, here [and over there], if the government tried to send them back now.

It is all bad, imo.



WWW search......
how many muslims in australia 2025

One hit......
"Looking ahead, the estimated Muslim population in Australia for the 2026 census is 1,101,333."



What can be done ?

Ask Albo.

Albo [and his ilk] will advise.......Pander to the moslem, and outlaw all criticism of ISLAM.

Why do you Islamophobes not recognise that the majority of Muslims in Australia are Australian citizens.  Do you devalue Australian citizenship that much?  As John Howard found, removing someone's citizenship is harder than you think (thankfully).  Time you woke up and grew up and embraced Muslims as your fellow Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 8:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 7:10pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 6:49pm: I have encountered gun nuts like the Baron many times in the past. Bwhine is just a keyboard warrior who has never been in a real fight. I've never claimed to have been in a fight, Baron.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Quote: Never met a someone who claims to be an atheist yet is so spineless he can't criticise Islamic death penalty for atheists because he isn't a muslim or member of their country. I am being truthful.  Baron, I know you want to lie all the time and criticise an entire religion.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

It's pretty obvious you have never gone through Fight or Flight emotions despite claiming to be an army tough guy.

My guess is you would take flight option since you have shown everyone you lack a backbone.

Those Islamic countries with death penalty for atheists are all governed by Sharia law Bwhine.
Which religion has Sharia law and calls themselves Islamic countries Bwhine is that a good indication of what their religion calls for?

Iran didn't have death penalty for atheists before the 1979 Islamic revolution that was brought in by Ayatollahs.

Yadda wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 10:37pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:33pm: We need a Muslim sendback scheme. Gordon, It is too late now. Followers of ISLAM are too well established, in Australia......[and in the UK, and in continental Europe]. There will be a civil war, here [and over there], if the government tried to send them back now. It is all bad, imo.

Just wait until 'members' of moslem communities, here in Australia,
are able to establish a 'supply line' of AK47's and ammunition,
into Australia.

[they are already smuggling in, illegal tobacco, illicit drugs, and some firearms ]

[right now......AK47's are getting into southern France]


And then we will all witness how the 'politeness' of the moslem community,
will turn into open disdain,
for our democracy, and for non-moslem Australians.

disdain = = the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one’s consideration or respect.



WWW search......
AK47's getting into southern France



AND......
all Australians will already have been disarmed, and unable to defend themselves.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 8:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 7:40pm: Of course it doesn't give you instant obedience Instant obedience is what you need in the Army.  You need to know that the diggers around you will do what they are told, when they are told. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

I meant discipline isn't instant not obedience.

Those who walk into a Dojo give instant obedience to their teachers the reason they went into a Dojo is to learn.
If they don't give instant obedience they are told to leave.

Sanchin is Brown Belt requirement you have to control breathing and perfect technique doing it while people are bashing you.
You have to remain focused on task while getting kicked and punched if you can't you fail they sit you down grading is over.

Black belt doesn't make you an expert it's just the beginning.
Nidan (2nd dan) is fighting
Sandan (3rd) is teaching (sensei)
Renshi 4th dan perfection with weapons
Shihan 5th perfection with everything.
Anything above 5th dan isn't related to technique it's how many Black belts your teaching has produced.

Danny was a Nidan joined the Army was selected for SAS when something like 1 in 100 get selected he aced it heard many stories.

Albert Jacka was our first VC the vast majority of people getting VC in my time are all SAS.

SAS celebrity TV show is a watered down version of real thing so people could actually pass it can't have everyone fail on TV before it ends not good for ratings.

All the Rugy players male and female who went on that show did very well.
We could say playing Rugby teaches people discipline obedience and teamwork which is what you can get in the army.

You're kidding yourself if you think the army is the only place you can learn obedience discipline and teamwork.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 10:44pm:

Why do you Islamophobes not recognise that the majority of Muslims in Australia are Australian citizens.  Do you devalue Australian citizenship that much?  As John Howard found, removing someone's citizenship is harder than you think (thankfully).  Time you woke up and grew up and embraced Muslims as your fellow Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian,
you're weird.
What if the terrorists at Bondi were right wing Nazis?

Would you ask us all to embrace the good Nazis who were not terrorists?

This gun buyback is a pathetic knee jerk reaction that will penalise responsible firearm owners and do absolutely nothing to address the real issue of Islamic extremism.  But on the plus side, it is making AnAl even more unpopular than he was before.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 5:31am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 10:44pm: Why do you Islamophobes not recognise that the majority of Muslims in Australia are Australian citizens. Do you devalue Australian citizenship that much? As John Howard found, removing someone's citizenship is harder than you think (thankfully). Time you woke up and grew up and embraced Muslims as your fellow Australians. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian, you're weird. What if the terrorists at Bondi were right wing Nazis? Would you ask us all to embrace the good Nazis who were not terrorists?

ALL ABOUT BRIAN ROSS'S POSTING, ON OZPOL........


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1759101963/39#39

Quote:

frank, Don't you find it strange that ['our' anglicised] 'Brian Ross', again, and again, and again, is engaging in, the practice, of ISLAMIC doctrine, here on OzPol ? LYING frank, >>> Have you ever witnessed, here on OzPol, ['our' anglicised named] 'Brian Ross', admit, even once, any fault in the behaviour of a follower of ISLAM ? <<< Rather, he [that person] will justify his own acquiesce to moslem violence and wrongdoing..... "I have no right or ability to criticise them." http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379197632/34#34 'is engaging in, the practice, of ISLAMIC doctrine, here on OzPol........' ------- > [quote] Taqiyya “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

[/quote]



Taqiyya....which is the    >> ubiquitous practice, <<    of another ISLAMIC 'religious' doctrine.

THE PRACTICE OF,     'JUSTIFIED' 'RELIGIOUS LYING'      BY THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM,
FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF FURTHERING THE LOCAL INTERESTS OF ALLAH'S RELIGION.

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 7:52am:

This gun buyback is a pathetic knee jerk reaction that will penalise responsible firearm owners and do absolutely nothing to address the real issue of Islamic extremism.  But on the plus side, it is making AnAl even more unpopular than he was before.

Those unfortunate victims of the Bondi attack will have "gunshot wound" recorded as the cause of death on their death certificates, not "religion".

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 10:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:01pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 7:10pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 6:49pm: I have encountered gun nuts like the Baron many times in the past. Bwhine is just a keyboard warrior who has never been in a real fight. I've never claimed to have been in a fight, Baron.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Quote: Never met a someone who claims to be an atheist yet is so spineless he can't criticise Islamic death penalty for atheists because he isn't a muslim or member of their country. I am being truthful.  Baron, I know you want to lie all the time and criticise an entire religion.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) It's pretty obvious you have never gone through Fight or Flight emotions despite claiming to be an army tough guy. My guess is you would take flight option since you have shown everyone you lack a backbone. Those Islamic countries with death penalty for atheists are all governed by Sharia law Bwhine. Which religion has Sharia law and calls themselves Islamic countries Bwhine is that a good indication of what their religion calls for? Iran didn't have death penalty for atheists before the 1979 Islamic revolution that was brought in by Ayatollahs.

What happens in Iran pre and post Ayatollahs is Iran's concern, not so much mine. They are all crazy over there. The Shah by ignoring the wants and needs of his people made the Islamic revolution more rather than less likely.  Sharia law is their concern not mine or yours, Baron.  They can escape from Iran and come here if they like but the majority of Iranians seem to like living under their version of Sharia law.  Who are we to argue against it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Yadda wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 8:21am:

Taqiyya....which is the    >> ubiquitous practice, <<    of another ISLAMIC 'religious' doctrine. THE PRACTICE OF,     'JUSTIFIED' 'RELIGIOUS LYING'      BY THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM, FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF FURTHERING THE LOCAL INTERESTS OF ALLAH'S RELIGION.

ALL ABOUT THE >> UBIQUITOUS PRACTICE, << OF
ISLAMIC LYING/SOPHISTRY/DECEIT.

AND MORE EXAMPLES OF    HOW    THIS DECEIT IS ACHIEVED.....

------- >


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295543010/13#13

Quote:

Dictionary, sophistry = = the use of fallacious arguments, especially to deceive. SOPHISTRY EXAMPLE #1 Peace Good moslems will tell non-moslems, that moslems want to see 'peace' cover the whole earth. But a moslem, does not openly reveal [at the same time] that all good moslems define 'peace', as submission to Allah's will. Dar al-Islam = = "house of peace" [is those places where Sharia has authority]. Dar al-Harb = = "house of war". Google, Dar al-Harb deception i.e. A moslem 'peace' = = mankind's SLAVERY, under ISLAMIST political rule. SOPHISTRY EXAMPLE #2 'Terrorism' Good moslems have declared to non-moslems, that they condemn 'terrorism'. But moslems do not reveal that ISLAMISTS define non-moslems as the terrorists! - Truly! Because ISLAMISTS have defined 'terrorism' as; Resisting Allah's will!! - Truly! When non-moslems try to resist the ISLAMISATION of their society, or try to prevent ISLAMIST violence, good moslems [truly!] regard such actions as 'oppression' and 'violence' against moslems! - Truly! e.g. "Five Sydney men jailed over terrorism plot" "The sister for one of the convicted men said...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion." http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/15/2819965.htm http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/australia-5-jihadists-motivated-by-intolerant-inflexible-religious-conviction-sentenced-to-prison-te.html SOPHISTRY EXAMPLE #3 Innocent people Good moslems have declared to non-moslems, that they condemn the killing of innocent people. But the good moslem, does not openly reveal [at the same time] that in ISLAM, only moslems qualify as 'innocent people'. EXAMPLES next post.... Google to find... e.g. "....when we say innocent people, we mean muslims...If you are a non-muslim, then you are guilty...." Anjem Choudary, UK muslim community leader, speaking publicly, of the London 7/7 bombing victims. e.g. "......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any [unbeliever]." Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, speaking publicly, and then privately, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims. e.g. "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity." Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, speaking to a moslem audience, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims. ISLAM = deceit. a good read, outlining and exposing ISLAMIST sophistry... Islamic Dictionary for Infidels https://jihadwatch.org/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 11:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:07pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 7:40pm: Of course it doesn't give you instant obedience Instant obedience is what you need in the Army.  You need to know that the diggers around you will do what they are told, when they are told. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) I meant discipline isn't instant not obedience.

YOu still not understand why you need obediance on a battlefield, Baron.  You wouldn't last five minutes in a battle.  You'd be arguing with your NCO rather than obeying his commands.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 5:31am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 10:44pm: Why do you Islamophobes not recognise that the majority of Muslims in Australia are Australian citizens.  Do you devalue Australian citizenship that much?  As John Howard found, removing someone's citizenship is harder than you think (thankfully).  Time you woke up and grew up and embraced Muslims as your fellow Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian, you're weird. What if the terrorists at Bondi were right wing Nazis? Would you ask us all to embrace the good Nazis who were not terrorists?

I would point out not all Nazis are Terrorists, Bobby.  Just as I point out not all Muslims are Terrorists or Jihadis.  Time you grew up and left your playground mentality in the playground, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian's faggotry finds a few passive Moslems among a horde of terrorists.

...pro Terrorists Protesters turned up at Bondi yesterday.
Substantially more than the one Muslim that tackled the gunman.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 9:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 5:31am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 10:44pm: Why do you Islamophobes not recognise that the majority of Muslims in Australia are Australian citizens.  Do you devalue Australian citizenship that much?  As John Howard found, removing someone's citizenship is harder than you think (thankfully).  Time you woke up and grew up and embraced Muslims as your fellow Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian, you're weird. What if the terrorists at Bondi were right wing Nazis? Would you ask us all to embrace the good Nazis who were not terrorists? I would point out not all Nazis are Terrorists, Bobby.  Just as I point out not all Muslims are Terrorists or Jihadis.  Time you grew up and left your playground mentality in the playground, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

No - I just proved that you're a Muslim apologist like Albo:


https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/cf/a5/b2/cfa5b2186e73a022e01906169dc5bc14.png

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 9:07am:

I would point out not all Nazis are Terrorists, Bobby.

There were Nazis who helped Jews escape in WW2

No muslim in Gaza helped any of the Israeli hostages escape.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 9:50am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:07am: I would point out not all Nazis are Terrorists, Bobby.  There were Nazis who helped Jews escape in WW2 No muslim in Gaza helped any of the Israeli hostages escape.

Gaza represents Gaza, Baron.  There are far more Muslims, than just Gaza.  I wish you Islamophobes would stop lumping all Muslims in one lump lot. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 9:32am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:07am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 5:31am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 10:44pm: Why do you Islamophobes not recognise that the majority of Muslims in Australia are Australian citizens.  Do you devalue Australian citizenship that much?  As John Howard found, removing someone's citizenship is harder than you think (thankfully).  Time you woke up and grew up and embraced Muslims as your fellow Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian, you're weird. What if the terrorists at Bondi were right wing Nazis? Would you ask us all to embrace the good Nazis who were not terrorists? I would point out not all Nazis are Terrorists, Bobby.  Just as I point out not all Muslims are Terrorists or Jihadis.  Time you grew up and left your playground mentality in the playground, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) No - I just proved that you're a Muslim apologist like Albo:

It seems any one who differentiates Muslims is an, "apologist" in your view.  Look, why don't I just lump all Australians into one lot, Bobby.  They are a bunch of Racist, bigoted, sexist, fascists, all of them, hey?  Does that describe you adequately, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 10:25am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:32am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:07am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 5:31am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 10:44pm: Why do you Islamophobes not recognise that the majority of Muslims in Australia are Australian citizens.  Do you devalue Australian citizenship that much?  As John Howard found, removing someone's citizenship is harder than you think (thankfully).  Time you woke up and grew up and embraced Muslims as your fellow Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian, you're weird. What if the terrorists at Bondi were right wing Nazis? Would you ask us all to embrace the good Nazis who were not terrorists? I would point out not all Nazis are Terrorists, Bobby.  Just as I point out not all Muslims are Terrorists or Jihadis.  Time you grew up and left your playground mentality in the playground, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) No - I just proved that you're a Muslim apologist like Albo: It seems any one who differentiates Muslims is an, "apologist" in your view.  Look, why don't I just lump all Australians into one lot, Bobby.  They are a bunch of Racist, bigoted, sexist, fascists, all of them, hey?  Does that describe you adequately, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

I'm a defender of the faith.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 10:26am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:25am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:32am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:07am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 5:31am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 10:44pm: Why do you Islamophobes not recognise that the majority of Muslims in Australia are Australian citizens.  Do you devalue Australian citizenship that much?  As John Howard found, removing someone's citizenship is harder than you think (thankfully).  Time you woke up and grew up and embraced Muslims as your fellow Australians.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian, you're weird. What if the terrorists at Bondi were right wing Nazis? Would you ask us all to embrace the good Nazis who were not terrorists? I would point out not all Nazis are Terrorists, Bobby.  Just as I point out not all Muslims are Terrorists or Jihadis.  Time you grew up and left your playground mentality in the playground, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) No - I just proved that you're a Muslim apologist like Albo: It seems any one who differentiates Muslims is an, "apologist" in your view.  Look, why don't I just lump all Australians into one lot, Bobby.  They are a bunch of Racist, bigoted, sexist, fascists, all of them, hey?  Does that describe you adequately, Bobby?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) I'm a defender of the faith.

Yeah, sure, Bobby, sure, you defend your own version of, "the faith" when it suits you. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 10:25am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:32am: .....I just proved that you're a Muslim apologist like Albo: It seems any one who differentiates Muslims is an, "apologist" in your view. Look, why don't I just lump all Australians into one lot, Bobby.....

brian,

If there are many 'good' moslems....
and some 'bad' moslems.....living together,
here, in Australia.....

Q.
Why would    >> the 'good' moslems <<    [who are living safely in Australia],
not simply denounce ISLAM,
AND TELL ALL AUSTRALIA ???....


"Hey Australia !!!!
I used be a devout moslem.

But i decided to separate myself from ISLAM,
because i know,
that,
ISLAM, is a   >> deceitful, <<   murderous death cult."



Why won't the 'good' moslems say that       brian ????



brian,

The 'good' moslems living [safely] in Australia could cut all ties,
with the devout moslems [those 'baddies'] who also live in Australia.


brian,

Why wouldn't they [the 'good' moslems] do that ?

WHAT IS STOPPING THEM,
FROM DENOUNCING ISLAM,
TO THEIR FELLOW AUSTRALIANS ???



MY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS THAT......

Very few of the moslems living in Australia,
have any desire, to separate themselves, FROM WHAT ISLAM IS,
EVEN THOUGH they are all living [safely] in Australia.

PROVING [imo]......that those moslems are....not as virtuous,
as YOU insist, that they all are......brian.

Those unfortunate victims of the Bondi attack will have "gunshot wound" recorded as the cause of death on their death certificates, not "religion".

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 11:33am:

Those unfortunate victims of the Bondi attack will have "gunshot wound" recorded as the cause of death on their death certificates, not "religion".

But it was as a result of Islamic extremism.     Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 12:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 11:33am: Those unfortunate victims of the Bondi attack will have "gunshot wound" recorded as the cause of death on their death certificates, not "religion". But it was as a result of Islamic extremism.     Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What does it say on their death certificates?

"Cause of death: gunshot wound/s"

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 11:33am:

Those unfortunate victims of the Bondi attack will have "gunshot wound" recorded as the cause of death on their death certificates, not "religion".

And the gunmen were merely shooters. ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 12:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 12:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 11:33am: Those unfortunate victims of the Bondi attack will have "gunshot wound" recorded as the cause of death on their death certificates, not "religion". But it was as a result of Islamic extremism.     Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) What does it say on their death certificates? "Cause of death: gunshot wound/s"

No - it says - Islamic extremism.

Yes, Mike. Sadly, I have to agree.

From the letters in today's The West Australian.

It is a real tragedy that things have come to this but when one sees what has happened with the breakdown of society and law and order in other parts of the world over the past few decades (especially the US and the UK) anyone who believes that "Australia is different" and "it can't/won't happen here" is either seriously deluded or an outright liar - politicians take note.

And, as far as "law and order" goes - when you have countries (like the US, the UK and now Australia) where "laws" have become merely "suggestions" to be ignored if people don't like them (the social media restriction laws for under 16's is the latest example) then the breakdown of society continues and accelerates.

So glad I'm getting towards the end of my life and not just starting out because things are only going to get worse (if that's possible).

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What a load of twaddle.  Society has to change to take into account differing circumstances.  Guns have become dangerous, access to guns has to be limited because crazy individuals had easy access to guns. Now if you cannot make crazy individuals easily identified you need to limit their access to guns.  So, if law abiding gun owners were willing to undergo tests, they could have access to guns again.  Are you willing to undergo testing?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:23pm:

What a load of twaddle.  Society has to change to take into account differing circumstances.  Guns have become dangerous, access to guns has to be limited because crazy individuals had easy access to guns. Now if you cannot make crazy individuals easily identified you need to limit their access to guns.  So, if law abiding gun owners were willing to undergo tests, they could have access to guns again.  Are you willing to undergo testing?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

How many jihadis are going to hand in their guns?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:23pm:

What a load of twaddle.  Society has to change to take into account differing circumstances.  Guns have become dangerous, access to guns has to be limited because crazy individuals had easy access to guns. Now if you cannot make crazy individuals easily identified you need to limit their access to guns.  So, if law abiding gun owners were willing to undergo tests, they could have access to guns again.  Are you willing to undergo testing?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

The only twaddle is coming from you.

Some of us remember before this diversity nonsense we could buy semi auto .22s and shotguns at Kmart.

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Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 9:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:23pm: What a load of twaddle.  Society has to change to take into account differing circumstances.  Guns have become dangerous, access to guns has to be limited because crazy individuals had easy access to guns. Now if you cannot make crazy individuals easily identified you need to limit their access to guns.  So, if law abiding gun owners were willing to undergo tests, they could have access to guns again.  Are you willing to undergo testing?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) The only twaddle is coming from you. Some of us remember before this diversity nonsense we could buy semi auto .22s and shotguns at Kmart.

Lucky you, society though has changed.  There are too many loonies around now.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 9:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 9:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:23pm: What a load of twaddle.  Society has to change to take into account differing circumstances.  Guns have become dangerous, access to guns has to be limited because crazy individuals had easy access to guns. Now if you cannot make crazy individuals easily identified you need to limit their access to guns.  So, if law abiding gun owners were willing to undergo tests, they could have access to guns again.  Are you willing to undergo testing?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) The only twaddle is coming from you. Some of us remember before this diversity nonsense we could buy semi auto .22s and shotguns at Kmart. Lucky you, society though has changed.  There are too many loonies around now.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Yeah, from a homogeneous, hight trust, cohesive society to a multicultural, fractured and fractious 'diverse' society.

A marked degradation.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 9:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 9:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:23pm: What a load of twaddle.  Society has to change to take into account differing circumstances.  Guns have become dangerous, access to guns has to be limited because crazy individuals had easy access to guns. Now if you cannot make crazy individuals easily identified you need to limit their access to guns.  So, if law abiding gun owners were willing to undergo tests, they could have access to guns again.  Are you willing to undergo testing?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) The only twaddle is coming from you. Some of us remember before this diversity nonsense we could buy semi auto .22s and shotguns at Kmart. Lucky you, society though has changed.  There are too many loonies around now.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

So what changed and who changed it?

Was it Al Grassby?

Are you saying Albo is wrong diversity hasn't made us stronger?  ::)

Back in the 1970s with White Australia Policy people could afford to buy a home the wife could stay at home to raise the kids.

You could leave your house and car unlocked even drive Aussie made Monaros Toranas Falcons Chargers maybe even a Kingswood with a father who wouldn't let you drive it.

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You are harking for a society that no longer exists.  It might have existed in your imagination but in reality it was never really there.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Bondi Beach shooter’s same-day gun buys ‘should have triggered alert’
Sajid Akram bought three high-powered guns on the same day despite terror links and in breach of national firearms rules that should have stopped him.

Diversity uber alles.
Diversity to death.

Frank wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 10:11pm:

Bondi Beach shooter’s same-day gun buys ‘should have triggered alert’ Sajid Akram bought three high-powered guns on the same day despite terror links and in breach of national firearms rules that should have stopped him. Diversity uber alles. Diversity to death.

Seems like there is a problem then with the system, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:23pm:

What a load of twaddle.  Society has to change to take into account differing circumstances.  Guns have become dangerous, access to guns has to be limited because crazy individuals had easy access to guns. Now if you cannot make crazy individuals easily identified you need to limit their access to guns.  So, if law abiding gun owners were willing to undergo tests, they could have access to guns again.  Are you willing to undergo testing?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Society does not have to change to take in ALL differing circumstances... if Nazism etc showed us nothing else - it showed us that clearly - and the comparison is very apt.

On the contrary, societies have the RIGHT to refuse to accommodate to things that are not compatible with them... again to look at the example of Nazism - that does not mean that societies have an absolute right to decide, without proper or due process and as a matter of doing right, what is not compatible with its aims and intents....we all know that Nazism CHOSE to reject Jews, in keeping with the long-held prejudice against them in Europe, but then took that to the extreme for no valid reason.  Jews, in the main, are NOT troublemakers and bring considerable talent to any country in which they have opportunity to thrive.

On the other hand, when it is clear that a specified group carries with it  an entrenched set of values that dictate that group will be anti-social and antithetical to the ways of that country, it is the right of that country to dismiss them - remigrate them or deport them, and in extreme cases where persons of that group are generational, choose to exile them.

That situation is made even worse when any single group brings with it supremacism of its religious or other based ideology - at which point it is the absolute right of any country to self-defend and to defend its citizens by removing that ideology from its shores. 

Further, it is the absolute right of a country to reject any acceptance of such groups within its borders.

It is really that simple.

You are attempting to justify persecution of Muslims.  Muslims have been a part of Australian society since 1788.  The majority of Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding citizens or residents of Australian society.  If you knew any Muslims you'd realise this.  Most Muslims are essentially invisible they fit in so well and assimilate.  A tiny minority are a problem, just as a tiny minority of Indigenous Australians are a problem and Anglo-Australians and any other minority group.  Time you waked up to exactly how Islamophobic you are.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 10:11pm:

Bondi Beach shooter’s same-day gun buys ‘should have triggered alert’ Sajid Akram bought three high-powered guns on the same day despite terror links and in breach of national firearms rules that should have stopped him. Diversity uber alles. Diversity to death.

In a land of total gun control, a citizen of India without even permanent residency in Australia is given licenses for at least six firearms? When his son, who lives with him at thd same address, is known to have ties to an Isis cell?

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 1:00pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 10:11pm: Bondi Beach shooter’s same-day gun buys ‘should have triggered alert’ Sajid Akram bought three high-powered guns on the same day despite terror links and in breach of national firearms rules that should have stopped him. Diversity uber alles. Diversity to death. In a land of total gun control, a citizen of India without even permanent residency in Australia is given licenses for at least six firearms? When his son, who lives with him at thd same address, is known to have ties to an Isis cell?

Seems like there is a problem then with the system, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 1:52pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 1:00pm: Frank wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 10:11pm: Bondi Beach shooter’s same-day gun buys ‘should have triggered alert’ Sajid Akram bought three high-powered guns on the same day despite terror links and in breach of national firearms rules that should have stopped him. Diversity uber alles. Diversity to death. In a land of total gun control, a citizen of India without even permanent residency in Australia is given licenses for at least six firearms? When his son, who lives with him at thd same address, is known to have ties to an Isis cell? Seems like there is a problem then with the system, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Albo doubled ASIO's budget and it still didn't stop a terrorist attack:

Google AI:
ASIO's budget has grown significantly, reaching a record $1.1 billion for 2024-25, up from around $534 million in 2023-24 and $475.6 million in 2021-22, reflecting increased funding for national security challenges like terrorism and cyber threats, with recent reports showing substantial increases in funding for capabilities and staff to meet evolving threats.