Bendigo moslem community says the mosque
will be available as an inclusive space for all.




IMAGE.....
https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/5aa7c0c22486ea843e46a57a4845a7d9?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=2688&cropW=4032&xPos=0&yPos=0&width=862&height=575

"The Bendigo Mosque minaret will not sound the call to prayer.
A digital notification will be used instead."



Quote:

Bendigo Mosque set to open 10 years on from hostile protests By Emile Pavlich 1h ago            [2025-Sep-29  Mon] ......

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-29/mosque-opening-protest-anniversary-bendigo-/105693360

[the whole article is just a click away.]




Everyone in Australia should be a aware that ISLAM [ISLAMIC cultural values] and ISLAMIC law,
are not compatible with Australian values and laws.

I wish that it were so.

But i must assume that many Australians DO NOT know, that fact.



In TRUTH......ISLAMIC culture and ISLAMIC law,
describe nations like Australia
[i.e. ALL infidel, secular nations] as >> dar al harb << ['the land of war', and 'striving'].

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--------- >

--------- >

WWW search.....
dar al harb  site:www.thereligionofpeace.com
dar al harb  site:https://jihadwatch.org/


dar al harb = = the land of war [i.e. a land where ISLAMIC/Sharia law is not yet imposed.   i.e. a land not yet CONQUERED, by the followers of ISLAM.]

dar al ISLAM = = the land of peace [i.e. a land under dominion of ISLAMIC/Sharia law]



THE TRUTH IS THAT......
ISLAM, is a deceitful, murderous death cult.



And, we witness 'inclusive', SOCIALIST [and LNP] Governments in Australia, pandering to members of local ISLAMIC communities.

Which.....is like an individual......choosing to keep a baby 20cm saltwater crocodile in his lounge room,
and then, continuing to feed it every day.

IDIOTS.

Once it has grown into a strong capable monster, that saltwater crocodile will KILL YOU.

Why so ?

Because that is the character and the inherent nature,
of a 3-4 metre saltwater crocodile.

The saltwater crocodile is a merciless predator.



And the same is true, of ISLAM.

Wherever ISLAM becomes stronger, it then [permenantly] 'replaces' the 'other'......devout ISLAM does not share political authority with others.

And wherever it gains political power, ISLAMIC authority then kills anyone, >> who could << resist its authority.

Devout ISLAM, is an authoritarian MONO-CULTURE.

authoritarian = = favouring or enforcing strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.


.


Listen, to the words coming out of....their own lips.

Inside their mosques......
ISLAMIC scholars,
tell members of their own communities,
things like this.....

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1758855980/0#0

Quote:

“If any law contradicts the Quran, then our scripture will prevail and not the [local] law” Sep 24, 2018 By Robert Spencer ......Officials in Western Europe and North America should consider carefully the fact that Islamic law mandates death for criticizing Islam, institutionalizes an inferior status for women and non-Muslims, allows for polygamy, calls for the killing of apostates, and contains other provisions......

.


HERE ARE MORE
ARTICLE TITLES FOR YOU....

ARTICLES IN WHICH, DEVOUT MOSLEMS, IN THEIR OWN WORDS.....
WILL BE ILLUMINATING THEIR ISLAMIC INTENT
TOWARDS, WE DISBELIEVERS.....

https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/jihadist-intimidation-and-thuggery

https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/sharia

https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/jihad-doctrine



PLUS.......
TheReligionofPeace
[lots of updated information on ISLAMIC violence worldwide, against 'disbelievers']
https://thereligionofpeace.com/

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2025 at 9:26am:

Bendigo moslem community says the mosque will be available as an inclusive space for all.

Followers of ISLAM, will lie and deceive,
in order to promote the interests of ISLAM, and ISLAMIC law.

AND, THAT IS THE TRUTH !



Quote:

Taqiyya “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

They lie.

Gnads wrote on Sep 29^th, 2025 at 10:10am:

They lie.

Sometimes the follower of ISLAM will speak deceitfully.

Another time, he may speak 'truthfully'.
.....and yet still be caught in an INTENTIONAL deception [i.e. lie],
because of the intentional omission of a HUGE truth.

omit = = leave out or exclude.     fail to do.


.


FILTHY, STINKING, DECEIVERS.......

Followers of ISLAM will invariably,
1/ speak truthfully, and [also] 2/ CONCEAL the truth [from our ears].


For the follower of ISLAM in Australia.....it is as easy for him,
to speak a harmless truth,
as it is, to conceal [NOT SPEAK] a harmful truth.

e.g.
A follower of ISLAM in Australia will speak 1/
BUT WILL NOT SPEAK....     2/ [below].

1/   'A disbeliever is welcome to engage with our community.
And our community will welcome that engagement, and any questions about our faith,
from non-moslems.'

2/   [.....ALTERNATIVELY......if a young moslem woman chose to form a close 'engagement',
with a man who is disbeliever....the young moslem woman would be putting her own life in danger,
as her own family, may 'justly' [i.e. 'LAWFULLY'] murder her - for her apparent apostasy.]

apostasy = = the abandonment or renunciation of a belief or principle.


n.b.
An Australian follower of ISLAM would readily speak/express #1 to a non-moslem.

An Australian follower of ISLAM would NEVER reveal or acknowledge #2 to a non-moslem.


.


Instruction from the prophet of ALLAH,
in the hadith....

"...the Prophet said,
'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion,
kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


.


And, here again......the 'modality' of ISLAM revealed......

ISLAMIC law makes it lawful for the follower of ISLAM,
to kill those who reject [i.e. 'insult'] ISLAM
[i.e. persons who reject ISLAM's authority over their lives].

-------- >

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....
his blood may legally be spilled."


.


"AND LOOK !!!

All of these behaviours by believers are cited within this book - so it's OK.

....IT IS LAWFUL
....IT IS LAWFUL
....IT IS LAWFUL."

https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Moslems_point_to_Koran.jpg

You don't know any Muslims, Yadda so you'd hardly know or understand them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2025 at 2:42pm:

You don't know any Muslims, Yadda so you'd hardly know or understand them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

How many Bendigo muslims do you know?

None.

Frank wrote on Oct 8^th, 2025 at 3:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 2:42pm: You don't know any Muslims, Yadda so you'd hardly know or understand them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How many Bendigo muslims do you know? None.

Why would they differ from the Adelaide Muslims that I have known or the Canberra ones or the Perth ones, Soren?  Time you grew up and faced your fears.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2025 at 3:39pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 3:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 2:42pm: You don't know any Muslims, Yadda so you'd hardly know or understand them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How many Bendigo muslims do you know? None. Why would they differ from the Adelaide Muslims that I have known or the Canberra ones or the Perth ones, Soren?  Time you grew up and faced your fears.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

So all the Muslims are the same across space and time??
And they as all the  same as the ones you knew decades ago??
Eternal, unchanging.

Frank wrote on Oct 8^th, 2025 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 3:39pm: Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 3:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 2:42pm: You don't know any Muslims, Yadda so you'd hardly know or understand them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How many Bendigo muslims do you know? None. Why would they differ from the Adelaide Muslims that I have known or the Canberra ones or the Perth ones, Soren?  Time you grew up and faced your fears.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) So all the Muslims are the same across space and time?? And they as all the  same as the ones you knew decades ago?? Eternal, unchanging.

Acording to you, Soren, all Muslims are Islamics.  They all believe in and support Jihad, they all hate Israelis and they mindlessly obey their Imans without question.  You have this Islamophobic view of Muslims based on ignorance and foolishness.  When you meet and discuss this issue with a Muslim, hell will freeze over.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2025 at 3:58pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 3:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 3:39pm: Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 3:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 2:42pm: You don't know any Muslims, Yadda so you'd hardly know or understand them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How many Bendigo muslims do you know? None. Why would they differ from the Adelaide Muslims that I have known or the Canberra ones or the Perth ones, Soren?  Time you grew up and faced your fears.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) So all the Muslims are the same across space and time?? And they as all the  same as the ones you knew decades ago?? Eternal, unchanging. Acording to you, Soren, all Muslims are Islamics.  They all believe in and support Jihad, they all hate Israelis and they mindlessly obey their Imans without question.  You have this Islamophobic view of Muslims based on ignorance and foolishness.  When you meet and discuss this issue with a Muslim, hell will freeze over.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You constantly shift between Islam/Islamophobia and un-named Muslim individual.you may give known in thd past as if these two categories were interchangeable.

I talk about the ideology of Islam -  then you immediately start about Ahmedd you knew in the '80s as if the two categories were indistinguishable, as if your personal encounter vouchsafed for an entire ideology, culture, creed.

And you, like the silky little teapot, pride yourself on your 'intellect'.  :D

At least I don't fear to think about issues before making a statement.  Your brain is permanently set on hatred of any difference, Soren.  You're a disgrace to your supposed profession.  You are incapable of treating a Muslim or a person of a darker hue compared to yourself.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2025 at 8:14pm:

At least I don't fear to think about issues before making a statement.  Your brain is permanently set on hatred of any difference, Soren.  You're a disgrace to your supposed profession.  You are incapable of treating a Muslim or a person of a darker hue compared to yourself.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You don't understand basic differences between categories such as ideology, creed, belief system on the one hand and individual persons.

You happily dismiss 'right wing' ideology but if anyone dismisses Islamic ideology you go all pouting, preening moron.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2025 at 2:42pm:

You don't know any Muslims, Yadda so you'd hardly know or understand them.

brian,

I know that followers of ISLAM, who live in Australia,
BECAUSE THEY ARE......followers of ISLAM,
HAVE MURDERED,
apostatising members of their own community, IN AUSTRALIA.

apostatise = = renounce a belief or principle.

-------- >

Direct instruction from Mohammed, the prophet of ALLAH,
in the hadith....

------ >

------ >

"...the Prophet said,
'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion,
kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




brian......

THE TRUTH.......


THE TRUTH IS THAT......
ISLAM, is a deceitful, murderous death cult.


brian......

Many, many [ISLAMIC sourced] evidences, underpin my assertion,
as the TRUTH.

In order TO ESTABLISH WHAT IS TRUE,
i do ask anyone, and everyone,
please examine the >> MAINSTREAM << religious strictures,
which ISLAMIC law,
imposes upon EVERY individual,
who self identifies,
as 'a follower of ISLAM'.


.


e.g.
BELOW,  is the undeniable TRUTH,
which persons such as >> brian <<,
ABSOLUTELY, REFUSE TO CONFRONT.

Q.
Why is that ???

brian,
Why do you continually, DENY,
what a provably, the truth,
ABOUT ISLAM ?

--------- >

--------- >

Yadda said......
ISLAM in its foundational religious text [the Koran]
promotes hatred of ALL non-moslems,
AS ISLAMS PRIMARY RELIGIOUS PRECEPT.

Examine the content of the Koran [and the Hadith] for yourself.

Many EVIDENCES, are presented, in the post, at this link....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1759449439/0#0



MORE EVIDENCES ARE HERE.......

Yadda said3....
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1582638136/0#0

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/1#1

When you meet and discuss their religion with Muslim, like Soren, hell will freeze over.  You refuse to walk on the same footpath as Muslims because of your Islamophobia let lone give them the time of day.  Your Islamophobis is plain for all to see.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Oct 8^th, 2025 at 11:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2025 at 8:14pm: At least I don't fear to think about issues before making a statement.  Your brain is permanently set on hatred of any difference, Soren.  You're a disgrace to your supposed profession.  You are incapable of treating a Muslim or a person of a darker hue compared to yourself.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) You don't understand basic differences between categories such as ideology, creed, belief system on the one hand and individual persons. You happily dismiss 'right wing' ideology but if anyone dismisses Islamic ideology you go all pouting, preening moron.

Ilunabar Eremua.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9^th, 2025 at 11:54am:

When you meet and discuss their religion with Muslim, like Soren, hell will freeze over.  You refuse to walk on the same footpath as Muslims because of your Islamophobia let lone give them the time of day.  Your Islamophobis is plain for all to see.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Have you ever discussed Nazism with a Nazi Brian?

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2025 at 12:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 11:54am: When you meet and discuss their religion with Muslim, like Soren, hell will freeze over.  You refuse to walk on the same footpath as Muslims because of your Islamophobia let lone give them the time of day.  Your Islamophobis is plain for all to see.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Have you ever discussed Nazism with a Nazi Brian?

I do so every day here, with Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9^th, 2025 at 11:54am:

When you meet and discuss their religion with Muslim, like Soren, hell will freeze over. You refuse to walk on the same footpath as Muslims because of your Islamophobia let lone give them the time of day. Your Islamophobis is plain for all to see.

My planning to negotiate with a group of devout followers of ISLAM about ['our'] religious devotions....is the fantasy.


e.g.
In northern Nigeria,
Somalia,
or even Turkey [and many other ISLAMIC law jurisdictions].......

I would be unable to walk into a local mosque and discuss establishing a Christian prayer group in any of those jurisdictions.

WHY SO ???

A.
Because if i revealed such an intention......
all devout followers of ISLAM in those jurisdictions,
would seek to murder me.


WWW search.....
"Cause of Allah" "Jihad"   site:www.thereligionofpeace.com
"Cause of Allah" "Jihad"   site:https://jihadwatch.org/

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ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."


You know that it is true brian.

You know.


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


.



'FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM ARE THE BEST OF.....'

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples,
evolved for mankind,
enjoining what is right,
forbidding what is wrong,
and believing in Allah.
If only the People of the Book had faith,
it were best for them: among them are some who have faith,
but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110



The 'Holy [and honest] religion of ISLAM'......
is a huge confidence fraud.
https://jihadwatch.org/2025/09/after-food-and-autism-fraud-somalis-get-busted-for-homeless-fraud


Even more malfeasance stories >> evidences <<,
by those followers of Allah's PERFECT RELIGION.....
https://jihadwatch.org/

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9^th, 2025 at 3:21pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 12:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 11:54am: When you meet and discuss their religion with Muslim, like Soren, hell will freeze over.  You refuse to walk on the same footpath as Muslims because of your Islamophobia let lone give them the time of day.  Your Islamophobis is plain for all to see.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Have you ever discussed Nazism with a Nazi Brian? I do so every day here, with Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

To be fair, many others also contribute to our discussions of Islam, Bbwiyawn. You are not discussing Islam just with me.

Frank wrote on Oct 9^th, 2025 at 6:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 3:21pm: freediver wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 12:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 11:54am: When you meet and discuss their religion with Muslim, like Soren, hell will freeze over.  You refuse to walk on the same footpath as Muslims because of your Islamophobia let lone give them the time of day.  Your Islamophobis is plain for all to see.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Have you ever discussed Nazism with a Nazi Brian? I do so every day here, with Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) To be fair, many others also contribute to our discussions of Islam, Bbwiyawn. You are not discussing Islam just with me.

You are though, the prime Nazi here...  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Mohammed Upset As Democrats Keep Calling Islam A Religion Of Peace

HELL — The founder of Islam expressed continued frustration with Democrats on Wednesday, calling them out for referring to Islam as a "religion of peace."

"I literally created this religion by murdering people and threatening to murder people," said an exasperated Mohammed. "How do I not get any credit for all that violence? Sometimes, it almost feels like I killed all those people for nothing. It's so disheartening."

Mohammed praised the continued work of his followers on earth, who have worked tirelessly to set the record straight. "My followers have continued murdering and raping tens of thousands of people every year. I just don't know how the liberals aren't getting it," sighed Mohammed. "Like, what do they want from us to prove we're not a religion of peace? Do they want us to fly planes into buildings? Did it. Film ourselves stoning women? Done. Share videos of us beheading Christians as ISIS murders and rapes its way across the world? Check. How about go into Israel, commit the most sickening acts of violence you can imagine, film ourselves, and share the videos across the world? WE DID. What more do you want from us to prove we aren't peaceful?"

Thousands of Muslims across the globe used the anniversary of October 7th to try to help clear up the confusion. "Mohammed was pretty clear, guys. How many times do we have to say 'We want to kill you' before you'll believe us?" said New York City resident Amir Ibrahim. "Look, I'd rather be home relaxing right now, but instead I have to be out here in a Hamas headband, celebrating mass murder, shouting 'Die infidel, die' - just so that you people will get it.

A Nazi proclaims.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

@ Reply #20,

frank,

In your post.....we see truth veiled in sarcasm.

sarcasm = = the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.


.


Truth haters......should look away now......

'FOREVER' EVERYONE IN THE 'LEGACY MEDIA' HAS TREATED ISLAM,
AS A NOBLE EMPEROR,
CLOTHED IN A GOLDEN CLOAK.

OIL MONEY

TRUTH
TRUTH
TRUTH....

THE REAL 'VOLDEMORT' [he who's name must not be spoken.....]



ISLAM promotes >> hatred << of ALL disbelievers [aka non-moslems]....
AS ISLAM'S PRIMARY RELIGIOUS PRECEPT.

FURTHER......
THAT INSTRUCTION COMES DIRECTLY FROM ALLAH, IN THE HOLY KORAN.......



ISLAM's way of achieving 'peace'
was explained - by Osama Bin Laden...
OR,
Advice to devout moslems, on how to be 'rightly guided'
in your worldly relationships with infidels.

------- >

November 10, 2008
Raymond Ibrahim: "Islam's Doctrines of Deception"

Quote:

"As to the relationship between Muslims and infidels, this is summarized by the Most High's Word: ‘We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us -- till you believe in Allah alone’ [Koran 60:4]. So there is an enmity, evidenced by fierce hostility from the heart. And this fierce hostility -- that is, battle -- ceases only if the infidel submits to the authority of Islam, or if his blood is forbidden from being shed [i.e., a dhimmi], or if Muslims are at that point in time weak and incapable [i.e., taqiyya]. But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the heart, this is great apostasy! Such, then, is the basis and foundation of the relationship between the infidel and the Muslim. Battle, animosity, and hatred -- directed from the Muslim to the infidel -- is the foundation of our religion. And we consider this a justice and kindness to them" (from The Al Qaeda Reader). .....It bears repeating that this hostile world view is well supported by all of Islam’s schools of jurisprudence."

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/raymond-ibrahim-islams-doctrines-of-deception



n.b. the words....

".....But if the hate at any time extinguishes
from the heart [of a moslem],
this is great apostasy!"


.


WHAT FOLLOWS, IS WHAT WE ALL NEED TO CONFRONT.....

The Koran is ISLAM's preeminent and primary religious text.

And the Koran is regarded by all moslems,
as the most authoritative source of INSTRUCTION,
for every follower of ISLAM, in how he can learn and know his religious obligations,
and correctly follow the dictates of his religion.

The heart of ISLAM, is the Koran
[and at heart of the Koran, are the ideas and ideals it contains].

------- >

INSTRUCTION.....FROM THE HEART OF THE KORAN.......


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."
Koran 9.38, 39


"Say: "...If ye think that ye are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men,
then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!"  "
Koran 62.06


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise):
they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193




WAKE UP PEOPLE

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9^th, 2025 at 10:40pm:

A Nazi proclaims.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Mohammed praised the continued work of his followers on earth, who have worked tirelessly to set the record straight. "My followers have continued murdering and raping tens of thousands of people every year. I just don't know how the liberals aren't getting it," sighed Mohammed. "Like, what do they want from us to prove we're not a religion of peace? Do they want us to fly planes into buildings? Did it. Film ourselves stoning women? Done. Share videos of us beheading Christians as ISIS murders and rapes its way across the world? Check. How about go into Israel, commit the most sickening acts of violence you can imagine, film ourselves, and share the videos across the world? WE DID. What more do you want from us to prove we aren't peaceful?"

Thousands of Muslims across the globe used the anniversary of October 7th to try to help clear up the confusion. "Mohammed was pretty clear, guys. How many times do we have to say 'We want to kill you' before you'll believe us?" said New York City resident Amir Ibrahim. "Look, I'd rather be home relaxing right now, but instead I have to be out here in a Hamas headband, celebrating mass murder, shouting 'Die infidel, die' - just so that you people will get it.

A Nazi proclaims again.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9^th, 2025 at 3:21pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 12:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 11:54am: When you meet and discuss their religion with Muslim, like Soren, hell will freeze over.  You refuse to walk on the same footpath as Muslims because of your Islamophobia let lone give them the time of day.  Your Islamophobis is plain for all to see.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Have you ever discussed Nazism with a Nazi Brian? I do so every day here, with Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Can you quote one of your discussion about Nazism from yesterday?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2025 at 12:53pm:

A Nazi proclaims again. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

brian said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1759983853/4#4

Quote:

"Keep telling yourself lies. Tsk, tsk, tsk..."

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Yadda said somewhere....

Quote:

MURDERING INFIDELS WHO RESIST THE AUTHORITY OF DEVOUT MOSLEMS, AND MURDERING INFIDELS WHO REFUSE TO SURRENDER [THEMSELVES] TO THE PRIMACY OF ISLAMIC LAW, IS BOTH VIRTUOUS AND JUSTIFIED. ......Allah says so. e.g. Ask any devout moslem...about the Holy Koran. He will tell you, that the Koran is an inerrant holy book....... inerrant = = incapable of being wrong. Koran 2.98 Koran 47:8-11 Koran 4.74-76 The content of those three Koran verse groups, together, form a 'virtuous circle'. Each verse group firstly confirms and then reinforces the ISLAMIC 'religious' paradigm, that; 1/    unbelief [in man] is a serious 'religious' crime, and that, 2/    the 'criminals' [i.e. the 'unbelievers'] deserve every imaginable punishment they get, and that those 'criminals' [i.e. disbelievers] are outside of the protection of 'the law', and that, 3/    every devout moslem has an obligation to,    ....'fight in The Cause of Allah', and all devout moslems are 'rightly guided' and are justified in their 'crime fighting'. . Those arguments [above] are 'logically' demonstrated... 1/    "...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." [i.e. 'Unbelief' [in man] is a capital crime.]. Koran 2.98 [ - - The enemy of moslems is identified. All of 'unbelieving' mankind, are the declared the enemy of Allah, and of the devout moslem.] 2/    "...those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47:8-11 [ - - Here, it is clearly stated to every devout moslem.....that moslem enmity, violence, and warfare, against 'those who reject Faith', is morally justified, and wholly 'lawful'. 3/    "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight IN THE CAUSE OF ALLAH, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.." Koran 4.74-76 [ - - Those who reject 'Faith' are ipso facto, 'rightly' deemed, by ISLAM and by Allah, as being innately evil. Therefore those who reject 'Faith', are described as 'oppressors', and are the rightful targets of moslem enmity, violence, and warfare. ...n.b. 'those who reject Faith' are described [Koran 4.74-76], as 'oppressors' and as, 'the friends of Satan'.] Reiterating once again..... The 'theology' which ISLAM inculcates into the psyche of every devout moslem, is this;... 1/    'Unbelief' [in man] is a 'capital crime'. 2/    Those 'criminals' are offered no protection, in ISLAMIC law. 3/    It is the obligation of the devout moslem to punish the crime of 'unbelief'. And the punishment of 'unbelief' [death] is morally justified, because Allah has stated, that the 'unbelievers' are in league with demonic, evil forces, and they are the oppressors of the people [stated in Koran 4.74-76].

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ISLAMIC religious doctrine.....
inculcates into the psyche of the devout moslem,
that it is both 1/ LAWFUL and 2/ VIRTUOUS,
for the devout moslem,
to end the life of an individual who has refused to surrender to the primacy of ISLAMIC law.



AN AUSSIE MOSLEM EXAMPLE....
OF A DEVOUT FOLLOWER OF ISLAM

IMAGE....
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-0-1FF53F8400000578-353_634x351.jpg

'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar,
doing 'good works' in Syria/Iraq.



Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

- 'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar,
above, is quoting ISLAMIC scripture.


'quoting ISLAMIC scripture'.....

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WWW search....
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

Jihad is the pinnacle of ISLAM

Quote:

What is Islam’s view on obedience to the law of the land? In Islam obedience to the law of the land is a religious duty. The Qur’an commands Muslims to remain faithful to not only Allah and the Prophet Muhammad(sa), but also the authority they live under:     O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey His Messenger and those who are in authority over you (Ch.4: V.60). Any country or government that guarantees religious freedom to followers of different faiths (not just Islam) must be owed loyalty. The Prophet Muhammad(sa) stressed this point when he said:      ‘One who obeys his authority, obeys me. One who disobeys his authority, disobeys me.’ (Muslim) The present head of the worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(aba), has also explained:      ‘A true Muslim can never raise his voice in hatred against his fellow citizens, nor for that matter against the ruling authority or government of the time. It is the responsibility of a true Muslim that he should remain loyal and fully abide by the laws of the land of which he is a subject.’ (Baitul Futuh Inauguration Reception, 11 Oct 2003) This makes clear that according to Islam Muslims must obey the law of the land as anything to the contrary would mean that they are not obeying their Prophet or their religion.

Source

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2025 at 8:59pm:

Quote: What is Islam’s view on obedience to the law of the land? In Islam obedience to the law of the land is a religious duty. The Qur’an commands Muslims to remain faithful to not only Allah and the Prophet Muhammad(sa), but also the authority they live under:

LIES,
LIES,
LIES.


Once again,       brian       is spreading the lies,
and the deliberate deceptions,
of those who are followers of ISLAM.





Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1491782088/4#4

Quote:

ISLAMIC law allows [i.e. makes it lawful for] moslem men to marry 9 a year old girl, Even in Germany ? Even in Australia ? Yes! How so ? Because a devout moslem does not have permission from his religion, to obey the laws of a secular nation. A moslem must obey ISLAMIC law. And where secular law and ISLAMIC law clash, to the moslem psyche, ISLAMIC law has absolute authority. WWW search; muslim must obey the law of the land - as long as local law does not violate Allah's law muslim must obey the law of the land - except where local law is in conflict with Allah's law A moslem who obeys secular law [above ISLAMIC law] or 'loves' disbelievers, is an apostate, in the eyes of Allah. Every devout moslem, knows that. Every devout moslem in Australia, is playing a 'double game', is playing a deceitful game, ...in pretending to be a friend, to those who are not moslems. . [KORAN VERSES WHICH SUPPORT MY ARGUMENTS IN THIS POST ---- > ] "O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..." Koran 60.1 "....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends.... ......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them." Koran 5.51 "Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...." Koran 58.22 "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers." Koran 9.23

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Followers of ISLAM,
are taught,
that it is permissible [i.e. it is LAWFUL],
to lie and use deception,
in order to promote the interests of ISLAM, and 'the believers'.

AND, THAT IS THE TRUTH !



Quote:

Taqiyya “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

Cover your lying arse you sorry little man.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2025 at 10:10pm:

Cover your lying arse you sorry little man.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Stop lying spinelessly, gutlessly, constantly, Bbwiyawn.


Muslims constitute about 5% of the general population in England and Wales but make up roughly 15% of the prison population.

Muslims are also disproportionately criminal in Australia, France, Sweden Belgium, Austria.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2025 at 8:59pm:

Quote: What is Islam’s view on obedience to the law of the land? In Islam obedience to the law of the land is a religious duty. The Qur’an commands Muslims to remain faithful to not only Allah and the Prophet Muhammad(sa), but also the authority they live under:     O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey His Messenger and those who are in authority over you (Ch.4: V.60). Any country or government that guarantees religious freedom to followers of different faiths (not just Islam) must be owed loyalty. The Prophet Muhammad(sa) stressed this point when he said:      ‘One who obeys his authority, obeys me. One who disobeys his authority, disobeys me.’ (Muslim) The present head of the worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(aba), has also explained:      ‘A true Muslim can never raise his voice in hatred against his fellow citizens, nor for that matter against the ruling authority or government of the time. It is the responsibility of a true Muslim that he should remain loyal and fully abide by the laws of the land of which he is a subject.’ (Baitul Futuh Inauguration Reception, 11 Oct 2003) This makes clear that according to Islam Muslims must obey the law of the land as anything to the contrary would mean that they are not obeying their Prophet or their religion. Source

Rubbish!  You are once again showing your utter ignorance of anything Islamic.  Maybe your musso buddy is having a lend of you because with regard to laws promulgated in non-musso countries mussos are not expected to follow them if

1.
The laws are contrary to what Allah has prescribed, such as giving the wife the power of divorce, or not giving the father guardianship over his daughter after she reaches puberty, or giving a daughter the same share of the estate as a son, allowing the drinking of alcohol and zina (sex outside of marriage), and so on. It is not permissible to act upon these laws or approve of them.

2.
Only if the laws are in accordance with what is mentioned in Islamic teachings. In this case, one should abide by them, in obedience to Allah and His Messenger.

Islamic law will always trump secular law or is Brian saying that mussos can ignore the Qur'an in deference to secular law? 

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2025 at 8:59pm:

Quote: What is Islam’s view on obedience to the law of the land? In Islam obedience to the law of the land is a religious duty. The Qur’an commands Muslims to remain faithful to not only Allah and the Prophet Muhammad(sa), but also the authority they live under:     O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey His Messenger and those who are in authority over you (Ch.4: V.60). Any country or government that guarantees religious freedom to followers of different faiths (not just Islam) must be owed loyalty. The Prophet Muhammad(sa) stressed this point when he said:      ‘One who obeys his authority, obeys me. One who disobeys his authority, disobeys me.’ (Muslim) The present head of the worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(aba), has also explained:      ‘A true Muslim can never raise his voice in hatred against his fellow citizens, nor for that matter against the ruling authority or government of the time. It is the responsibility of a true Muslim that he should remain loyal and fully abide by the laws of the land of which he is a subject.’ (Baitul Futuh Inauguration Reception, 11 Oct 2003) This makes clear that according to Islam Muslims must obey the law of the land as anything to the contrary would mean that they are not obeying their Prophet or their religion. Source

Brian do you think these claims about Islam are consistent with Muhammad threatening to kill Jews if they do not convert to Islam as soon as he was in a sufficiently strong position to do so, and then following through on his threat?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, as soon as evidence is provided, the Islamophobes try and discredit it.  Typical of those who are scared of their own shadows.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

That's how it works Brian. If you spew crap, people will call you on it. No point whining about it.

Do you think your claims about Islam are consistent with Muhammad threatening to kill Jews if they do not convert to Islam as soon as he was in a sufficiently strong position to do so, and then following through on his threat?

You said you discuss Nazism with Soren on here every day. Were you lying?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11^th, 2025 at 12:53pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, as soon as evidence is provided, the Islamophobes try and discredit it.  Typical of those who are scared of their own shadows.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

OMG - are you being deliberately obtuse?? 

You have quoted something that was written regarding obeying the law in muslim countries - not Western!  Western laws are man-made and therefore not Islamic.

Muslims must adhere to the laws of any country they live in, whether in the West (dar al-Harb (House of War)/kufr) or the East, as long as the law is not in direct contradiction with their religion - Islam.  However there are ways and means to get around "obeying" Kufr (disbeliever and faithless infidel) laws.   

The phrase "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those of you who are in authority." Quran 4:59 emphasises the importance of obedience to Allah, the Prophet Mohammed, and those in authority - which typically refers to muslims.  This verse is a cornerstone of Islamic teaching indicating that muslims should obey rulers and authorities who are also muslims as they are entrusted with the responsibilities of governance.  The verse underscores the principle that obedience to authority is a reflection of obedience to Allah reinforcing the hierarchical structure of authority under the Islamic community. 

Thus, the phrase does not imply that those in authority can be non muslims; it specifically pertains to muslims.

Quran.com

You do not understand even the most basic fundamental aspects of Islam.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, as soon as evidence is provided, the Islamophobes try and discredit it.  Typical of those who are scared of their own shadows.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11^th, 2025 at 9:10pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, as soon as evidence is provided, the Islamophobes try and discredit it.  Typical of those who are scared of their own shadows.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

As Aquarius points out, despite your decades of "working, studying, serving" with Muslims and having extensive discussions with them, you do not understand even the basic fundamentals aspects of Islam, cockwomble.

As for your various degrees, including your Masters and Doctor of Divinity ( :D), you demonstrate time and again that you are mentally quite negligible.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, as soon as evidence is provided, the Islamophobes try and discredit me.  Typical of those who are scared of their own shadows.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 2:10am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2025 at 9:10pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me, as soon as evidence is provided, the Islamophobes try and discredit it. Typical of those who are scared of their own shadows.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) As Aquarius points out, despite your decades of "working, studying, serving" with Muslims......

frank,

Don't you find it strange that ['our' anglicised] 'Brian Ross',
again,
and again,
and again,
is engaging in, the practice, of ISLAMIC doctrine, here on OzPol ?

LYING


frank,

Have you ever witnessed, here on OzPol, ['our' anglicised] 'Brian Ross',
admit, even once, any fault in the behaviour of a follower of ISLAM ?

Rather, he [that person] will justify his own acquiesce to moslem violence and wrongdoing.....

"I have no right or ability to criticise them."
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379197632/34#34



'is engaging in,
the practice, of ISLAMIC doctrine, here on OzPol........'

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Quote:

Taqiyya “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya


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IMAGE.....
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y8JgHt1-Q9o/UO9nFBPakBI/AAAAAAAAAF8/r23-MC2fLEg/s1600/483183-sheik-ismail-al-wahwah.jpg

Islamic politician Sheik Ismail Alwahwah, the leader of Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia. - 2017


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1500887663/1#1

Quote:

[quote] Don't be duped, by moslem denials about this. And do not believe the public protestations by 'Aussie' moslems, that all local moslems respect and obey local law, above ISLAMIC law. Such protestations by 'Aussie' moslems, are bare faced lies. To the moslem, respect for ISLAMIC law [above local secular law] comes 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

ISLAMIC law comes 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

SUPPORTING EVIDENCE;


The guy in the YT [below] is an 'Aussie' moslem -------------- >

IMAGE.....
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y8JgHt1-Q9o/UO9nFBPakBI/AAAAAAAAAF8/r23-MC2fLEg/s1600/483183-sheik-ismail-al-wahwah.jpg

Islamic politician Sheik Ismail Alwahwah, the leader of Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia.



Quote:

"This nation [i.e. the moslem nation/community, the ummah] has been and will continue to be a nation of Jihad until Judgement day. MAKE NO MISTAKE: THE NATION HAS NOT CHANGED ITS THINKING, ITS RELIGION, OR ITS FAITH. [i.e. a moslem, IS, a moslem!!!] IT HAS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE A NATION OF JIHAD UNTIL JUDGEMENT DAY."

Australian Islamist Leaders Incite to Jihad to Expel Jews from Palestine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN6B8WBzbpw

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1491646038/8#8
and......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1493702244/8#8

Quote:

Moslems bring ISLAM with them, wherever they go in the world.

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Dictionary,
sophistry = = the use of fallacious arguments, especially to deceive.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295543010/13#13
SOPHISTRY EXAMPLES
Examples of followers of ISLAM making public statements....
yet, seen to be intentionally, omitting important truths.


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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295543010/73#73

Quote:

All societies in the world today, which claim to be ISLAMIC and Sharia guided, are nests of oppression, violence, injustice, and human poverty.

brian,

There is even MORE !!    ;)



"a good read,
outlining and exposing ISLAMIST sophistry..."

Islamic Dictionary for Infidels
Jul 28, 2006
By Robert Spencer
https://jihadwatch.org/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels


OLD, DEAD LINK
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels.html

Yadda wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 10:57am:

Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 2:10am: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2025 at 9:10pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me, as soon as evidence is provided, the Islamophobes try and discredit it. Typical of those who are scared of their own shadows.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) As Aquarius points out, despite your decades of "working, studying, serving" with Muslims...... frank, Don't you find it strange that ['our' anglicised] 'Brian Ross', again, and again, and again, is engaging in, the practice, of ISLAMIC doctrine, here on OzPol ? LYING ............................................. .............................. ........................................ .........................................

Dear Yadda,
many blessings.

Your posts are so long that I doubt anyone ever reads them.
Make them short and punchy.

forgiven
namaste

Bobby. wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 11:20am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 10:57am: Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 2:10am: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2025 at 9:10pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me, as soon as evidence is provided, the Islamophobes try and discredit it. Typical of those who are scared of their own shadows.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) As Aquarius points out, despite your decades of "working, studying, serving" with Muslims...... frank, Don't you find it strange that ['our' anglicised] 'Brian Ross', again, and again, and again, is engaging in, the practice, of ISLAMIC doctrine, here on OzPol ? LYING ............................................. .............................. ........................................ ......................................... Dear Yadda, many blessings. Your posts are so long that I doubt anyone ever reads them. Make them short and punchy. forgiven namaste

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One thing has been holding back the Middle East for centuries
Religious fanaticism has been catastrophic for a region that was once the intellectual hub of the world
Matthew Syed
Sunday October 12 2025, 12.01am, The Sunday Times

Frank wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 3:09pm:

One thing has been holding back the Middle East for centuries Religious fanaticism has been catastrophic for a region that was once the intellectual hub of the world Matthew Syed Sunday October 12 2025, 12.01am, The Sunday Times

There are plenty of intellectuals in one middle eastern country.

freediver wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 3:33pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 3:09pm: One thing has been holding back the Middle East for centuries Religious fanaticism has been catastrophic for a region that was once the intellectual hub of the world Matthew Syed Sunday October 12 2025, 12.01am, The Sunday Times There are plenty of intellectuals in one middle eastern country.

Moslems maintain and claim, that ISLAM is THE perfect religion, created by Allah.

OBSERVATION.....
Where there is already perfection.....there is no need or occasion,
for intellectual debate or meandering.


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Not ISLAM...

Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind:
the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down:
the LORD loveth the righteous:
9  The LORD preserveth the strangers;
he relieveth the fatherless and widow:
but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.


Psalms 119:104
Through thy precepts I get understanding:
therefore I hate every false way.


Proverbs 4:14
Enter not into the path of the wicked,
and go not in the way of evil men.
15  Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away.
16  For they sleep not, except they have done mischief;
and their sleep is taken away, unless they cause some to fall.
17  For they eat the bread of wickedness,
and drink the wine of violence.
18  But the path of the just is as the shining light,
that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
19  The way of the wicked is as darkness:
they know not at what they stumble.


Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD:
but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.


Jeremiah 9:24
But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me,
that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth:
for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.

Boring, Yadda, you speak outright bullshit to offend people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2025 at 11:24am:

Boring, Yadda, you speak outright bullshit to offend people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Oct 12^th, 2025 at 1:34am:

Judge says 'the right to offend is precious' as he overturns conviction of man who burnt the Koran Hamit Coskun, 51, shouted ‘bugger Islam’ as he set fire to the text outside the Turkish consulate in London in February. After being convicted of a religiously aggravated public order offence and fined £240 in June, he appealed – and a judge has now ruled that Mr Coskun has a ‘right to offend’. Mr Justice Bennathan told Southwark Crown Court: ‘Burning a Koran may be an act that many Muslims find desperately upsetting and offensive. ‘The criminal law, however, is not a mechanism that seeks to avoid people being upset. We live in a liberal democracy. One of the precious rights that affords us is to express our own views… without the state intervening to stop us doing so. ‘The price we pay for that is having to allow others to exercise the same rights, even if that upsets, offends or shocks us.’ Mr Coskun said he burned the Koran to highlight how Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s constitutionally secular government had become an ‘Islamist regime’. However during his protest, he was attacked by Moussa Kadri, 59, with a knife who later told police he was protecting his religion.

Tut tut at that, cockwomble.

Tut, tut,  such a silly judgement.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2025 at 1:11pm:

Tut, tut,  such a silly judgement.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Why?
You want blasphemy laws returned to protect Islam?


Would you also want to jail bible burners?  Or only those who offend Islam?

Frank wrote on Oct 13^th, 2025 at 1:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:11pm: Tut, tut,  such a silly judgement.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Why? You want blasphemy laws returned to protect Islam? Would you also want to jail bible burners?  Or only those who offend Islam?

It sounds like that is what he wants.


Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Quote: Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights? [quote]7 nations where atheism is punishable by death. All 7 establish Islam as the state religion. Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-the-state-can-execute-you-for-being-atheist/

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

[/quote]

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2025 at 3:10pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:11pm: Tut, tut,  such a silly judgement.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Why? You want blasphemy laws returned to protect Islam? Would you also want to jail bible burners?  Or only those who offend Islam? It sounds like that is what he wants. Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm: Quote: Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights? [quote]7 nations where atheism is punishable by death. All 7 establish Islam as the state religion. Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-the-state-can-execute-you-for-being-atheist/ I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

[/quote]

Bbwiyawn is. a spineless apologist and a total hypocrite.

Frank wrote on Oct 13^th, 2025 at 1:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:11pm: Tut, tut,  such a silly judgement.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Why? You want blasphemy laws returned to protect Islam? Would you also want to jail bible burners?  Or only those who offend Islam?

Whats wrong with giving a religious belief legal protection?  Christianity enjoys it in many Christian states, why not Islam?  Islam is just as majestic as Christianity.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13^th, 2025 at 8:42pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:11pm: Tut, tut,  such a silly judgement.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Why? You want blasphemy laws returned to protect Islam? Would you also want to jail bible burners?  Or only those who offend Islam? Whats wrong with giving a religious belief legal protection?  Christianity enjoys it in many Christian states, why not Islam?  Islam is just as majestic as Christianity.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

It is contrary to freedom of thought and expression.