Post by Jovial Monk on Jul 5th, 2018 at 10:00am
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Title: Says it all Post by Jovial Monk on Jul 5th, 2018 at 10:00am |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 5th, 2018 at 10:45am Indeed. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Agnes on Jul 5th, 2018 at 1:06pm
Always the least quaiilified start these topics- no sensitivity And ZERO knowledge on the topic- the road to nowhere-
What are you trying to prove Monk- ? late period ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFgayzZ5KTM |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 5th, 2018 at 2:40pm
muslims fleeing muslims.
1400 years of islam / qur'an / allah / muhammad, have led to this. islam is the problem. When are muslims and their apologists going to be honest about the evil in islam? Why do they prefer this tragedy over questioning the qur'an and correcting islam accordingly? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by DonDeeHippy on Jul 5th, 2018 at 3:21pm moses wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 2:40pm:
Didn’t democracy start in USA becouse Christians where fleeing Christians ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 6th, 2018 at 4:15pm
I'm pretty sure that the teachings of Christ don't tell his followers to kill each other.
I'm pretty sure that the teachings of muhammad do tell muslims to kill hypocritical / corrupt muslims. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 6th, 2018 at 4:22pm moses wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 4:15pm:
Oh, but they do. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 6th, 2018 at 5:49pm
Christ taught Christians to kill Christians, can you expand?
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 6th, 2018 at 5:58pm moses wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 5:49pm:
Mmm, how about we ask the victims of Christian killings? You know, the Gnostics, the Albigensians? Oh, wait, they were all killed by Christians... Funny that, hey, Moses? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 6th, 2018 at 6:27pm
O.K. you tell how Christ told Christians to kill Christians.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 6th, 2018 at 6:45pm moses wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 6:27pm:
Most Christians do what their leaders tell them to do, believe what they are told to believe, Moses. Look at the Christian Rwandans, they were told to kill their fellow Rwandans by their clergy and they did so. They are not that much different to many Muslims, Moses. What Christ said is immaterial compared to what the Clergy believed and told their flocks. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 6th, 2018 at 7:00pm
A fact which you're desperate to hide is that muhammad told muslims to kill other muslims.
The tragedy of little muslims kids lives being put in danger, because their muslim parents are fleeing from muslims, who are following the teaching of muhammad. Why do you always go on a tangent, instead of addressing the issue (islam) which caused these kids to be at sea with their parents? Why are you running around talking about another religion which muslims claim is an evil corrupted religion? islam is the problem. Not Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, paganism, none of them are relevant in this situation. The problem is islam, why do you prefer little kids lives be put at risk, rather than questioning the teachings of muhammad which caused this tragedy? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 6th, 2018 at 8:43pm
The one on the right's tinted, no?
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 6th, 2018 at 8:45pm moses wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 4:15pm:
That's true, Moses. What did the prophet Yeheshua tell his followers to do to their enemies? Do you remember? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by .JaSin. on Jul 6th, 2018 at 9:13pm
Out-dated:
Jewish Messiah (Jesus) Moslem Prophet (Mohommed) The In-thing: Jewish Prophet (Hitler) Moslem Messiah (soon... ;)) Out-dated: Islamic 'Empire' The In-thing: Israeli 'Empire' GET WITH THE TIMES!!! ...or DIE |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Jul 7th, 2018 at 7:06am moses wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 5:49pm:
Heres a page on it with quotes and references: http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murder-in-the-bible/ Most of it is leviticus which is the chapter xtians use to say being gay is bad. Spot |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by DonDeeHippy on Jul 7th, 2018 at 12:04pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 7:06am:
Jesus is God God is perfect so if u ignore Leviticus than jesus is saying he isn't perfect so god isnt perfect ? ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 7th, 2018 at 2:52pm
Sir Spot of Borg wrote: Reply #15 - Today at 7:06am
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Heres a page on it with quotes and references: http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murder-in-the-bible/ Most of it is leviticus which is the chapter xtians use to say being gay is bad. Spot [/quote] O.K. except the query was about Christ teaching Christians to kill Christians. You quoted Leviticus which was spoken by Moses a couple of thousands years (give or take a few) before Christ ever existed. Those ancient writings in the O.T. are part of what is called mosaic law. Now jump forward two thousand years and Christ started his teachings. What did He say about Mosaic law? Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it. He put a time limit on the law, it finished with John the baptist. Christian teachings took on an entirely different perspective to Judaism and mosaic law e.g.: Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. No man is justified by the law, it is obsolete / finished. Therefore you did not give a reference to where Christ taught that Christians should kill Christians. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 7th, 2018 at 2:54pm
DonDeeHippy wrote: Reply #16 - Today at 12:04pm
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God is spirit, according to the Bible. The kingdom of God is within You, according to the Bible. You should worship in spirit and truth, according to the Bible. Man is the image of God, according to the Bible. Now my take on this is: If man is the image of God then it stands to reason that God is the image of man. So Gods become the mirror image of the persona proclaiming them. Hence the requirement to worship in spirit and truth, so that your God is one of truth / righteousness. The O.T. is the product of 48 Prophets & 7 Prophetesses, so naturally God will be the mirror image of the inner being of each of these people. The N.T. is a portrayal of the teachings of Christ (who never preached violence, only love), by several different people from all walks of life. Now to get to the crux of the topic on hand, the qur'an is the product of the words and teachings of one man only (muhammad) So it stands to reason that allah and the qur'an are the mirror image of the inner being of muhammad Who was muhammad? He was a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer. Hence the reason why The majority (64%) of the Koran is devoted to the Kafir, and nearly all of the Sira (81%) deals with Mohammed’s struggle with them. The Hadith (Traditions) devotes 32% of the text to Kafirs1. Overall, the Trilogy devotes 60% of its content to the Kafir. It certainly doesn't say to love and forgive the kafir, but there's heaps which say to rape torture and kill them. The only way to stop the stupidity of muslims deliberately putting the lives of their children at risk, is to question the qur'an and purge the hate and evil in it. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Jul 7th, 2018 at 2:57pm moses wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
O.K. except the query was about Christ teaching Christians to kill Christians. You quoted Leviticus which was spoken by Moses a couple of thousands years (give or take a few) before Christ ever existed. Those ancient writings in the O.T. are part of what is called mosaic law. Now jump forward two thousand years and Christ started his teachings. What did He say about Mosaic law? Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it. He put a time limit on the law, it finished with John the baptist. Christian teachings took on an entirely different perspective to Judaism and mosaic law e.g.: Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. No man is justified by the law, it is obsolete / finished. Therefore you did not give a reference to where Christ taught that Christians should kill Christians.[/quote] Okay then so its okay to be gay now? And commit adultery? Spot |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 7th, 2018 at 2:58pm
Sir Spot of Borg wrote: Reply #20 - Today at 2:58pm
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As far as I know, most sensible people now understand that homosexuality is how some people are born. With adultery I believe that most of society thinks that it is not something that should be advocated as the right way to live (particularly if there are kids involved, they don't like to see mum / dad splitting up), however people also understand that it happens from time to time. Do you think differently? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 7th, 2018 at 3:19pm Karnal wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 8:45pm:
Moses? Do you want to have a stab at this? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 7th, 2018 at 3:35pm
Oh recommendations like: question the spirit of things, shun evil,don't take stupid risks, there's a lot of advice in the teachings of Christ, however he definitely never once told anyone to roll over and let their enemies kill them.
Now you're hanging all your hopes on one which says to love them, so that's o.k. you can love them, but you have to shun them if they're evil, you don't have to rollover and let them kill you, you don't have to be a total dickhead and put yourself in danger because of them. You know he preached common sense. Not like your beloved muslims' qur'an which time and time and time again tells them how allah hates the nonbeliever, how they are to torture and kill the apostates hypocrites and mischief makers. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Aussie on Jul 7th, 2018 at 3:53pm Quote:
Why not? "God" did. Ask Joseph who impregnated his (allegedly virgin) Mrs. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 7th, 2018 at 6:59pm moses wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 3:35pm:
Yes, Moses, but how did Jesus say one should treat thine enemy? Do you want a multiple choice? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 7th, 2018 at 7:03pm Aussie wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 3:53pm:
Now now, the Virgin Mary was a child bride, Aussie. Mary was 12. Joseph was in his 90s. They were different times, of course. We wouldn't want to judge the ancients by our own standards today, now would we? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Aussie on Jul 7th, 2018 at 7:14pm Karnal wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 7:03pm:
Of course not. And........If Joseph was 90, how old was the cuckolding "God?" Actually......maybe not cuckolding. It seems he snuck in while poor old Joseph was busy carpentering. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 7th, 2018 at 8:29pm Aussie wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 7:14pm:
That's true, but at 90, I doubt he did much carpentry. G_d is timeless. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Jovial Monk on Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:45am
Did Jesus not say to obey the (OT) Law?
May have changed the preaching—Jews are still awaiting their Messiah—but not adherence to the Laws. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2018 at 12:48pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:45am:
Moses? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Jovial Monk on Jul 8th, 2018 at 12:57pm
Sure one of the bible bashers here said something to that effect.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 8th, 2018 at 1:25pm moses wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Mmm, and there I was, discussing, at your request, Christianity and what Christians do to other Christians, Moses. Yet, you have to turn it to a discussion about the group you have the most - Muslims. Why? Is it because you realise you're on shaky ground with their defence of Christianity? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. So, lets get back to Christians killing other Christians, shall we or is that too hard a topic for you? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:58pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 1:25pm:
That's irrelevant, Brian. Moses wants to get to the source of the atrocities to uncover what Christians actually believe. What did prophet Yeheshua say to do to thine enemies, Moses? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 8th, 2018 at 3:48pm
Jovial Monk wrote:Reply #28 - Today at 11:45am
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Me explaining to a monk, wonders will never cease hey? Anyhow J.M. I believe that Christians adopt to the following re the law: Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Christians believe that Christ came to bring the law to a successful conclusion, he fulfilled it. Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it. The law had a distinct time frame it was not eternal. John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. Christ was on the cross when He said that he had finished his work (to bring the law to a close). The very last words He spoke were It is finished. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 8th, 2018 at 3:51pm
Brian Ross wrote: Reply #31 - Today at 1:25pm
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Honesty a bit difficult for you Brian? This came about by me saying in Reply #3 muslims flee muslims, then DonDeeHippy Reply #4 said Christians did flee Christians, then Reply #5 I said Christ didn't tell Christians to kill Christians, muhammad did tell muslims to kill muslims, then you in Reply #8 tried to avoid this statement by going into a rant about Christians killing people, you since then have been avoiding my original statement that Christ did not tell Christians to kill other Christians. I then challenged you in Reply #9 with **O.K. you tell how Christ told Christians to kill Christians.** The challenge still stands or are you going to try and change tack again? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 8th, 2018 at 3:54pm
karnal wrote:Reply #32 - Today at 2:58pm
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5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Now this particular topic is about little muslim kids being put in deliberate danger by their muslim parents who are fleeing other muslims. This has been going on since the inception of islam, so the question is how to do good to them? My answer always has been to tell them the truth about the root cause of their problems (islam). That is the best bit of love and goodness you can show them Untill you and the others are honest about the evil in islam there will always be little muslim kids in mortal danger karnal. Why do you prefer these perpetual islamic atrocities over simply being honest about the qur'an? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 8th, 2018 at 4:49pm moses wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 3:51pm:
You yourself admit you asked why Christians kill other Christians, Moses. I have attempted to answer that question. You have chosen to go haring off on a wild tangent, attacking Muslims. Why are you avoiding the blame? ::) Moses, you are a literalist it appears. Muslims must do what Mohammed told them to do, Christians must do what Christ told them to do. No other interpretations are allowed it appears in your thinking. ::) Why then, you are Christian are not obeying Christ's instructions? Why do you deny the 10 Commandments? Why are you interpreting what Christ said, what God said? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:28pm Quote:
Oh well excuse me for asking but where did I ask why Christians kill other Christians? Quote:
If you are to be member of a specified group that has certain prerequisites which detail the requirements to be a member, you must fit the bill so to speak. Of course if you are to be a muslim you have to obey the teachings of muhammad. If you are to be a Christian you must obey the teachings of Christ This is standard procedure for anything not just religious organizations. This interpretation crap is just excuses for people desperately trying to exonerate the evil in the qur'an. Quote:
Why am I interpreting? I read what a book says, taking into account that it may have a particular message it is trying to imply, (say for example there may be parables or it is meant to be seen as a spiritual message etc.) There is no doubt that a large portion of the qur'an was preached by muhammad to urge muslims to rape torture and kill, it preaches hatred of non muslims. There is no doubt that the teachings of Christ never advocated rape torture and murder. What the hell is wrong with you people? Muslims torturing and slaughtering other muslims in the 21st century, because they absolutely believe the filth in the qur'an gives them the right to do so. While so called moderate muslims and their apologists try and tell us they have got it all wrong? For goodness sake stop the excuses, get muslims to take responsibility for the evil stupidity and lies in the qur'an, that is the only way to ultimately find a peaceful solution to the problems of muslims committing atrocities in the name of allah. The qur'an urges muslims to perpetrate the most horrendous iniquities imaginable, yet you keep trying to defend it. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:40pm moses wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 3:54pm:
Thanks, Moses. Can I ask how your prophet recommended we show our Muslim brothers our love and forgiveness? What did He ask His followers such as yourself to do if they should be struck in the face? What did He ask His Father to do when they nailed Him to the cross? Bless you. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:54pm
Reply #37 too deep for you karnal?
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:57pm moses wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:54pm:
No thank you, Moses. I'm wondering about its practical implications. Do you think that when your prophet said to love them and pray for them, He really meant to ban them and kill them? Do you think that when He said to bless those who curse you and do good to those who harm you, he meant something like this? Quote:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:09pm
Gee thankyou for your most devoted attention, I humbly pray that this answer will meet your unquenchable thirst for knowledge.
Most probably meant to get them to understand that the evil in the qur'an is the root cause of all their problems. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:12pm moses wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
Sorry, Moses, prophet Yeheshua doesn't say that. He's quite clear on the point you raised. Quote:
Is there a translation problem here, or do you think perhaps that it doesn't meant what it says? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:24pm
Questions questions questions.
Is a zebra black with white stripes, or white with black stripes? I mean it just never ends. Oh well there's a couple of things that are unquestionable: Right now muslims are killing other muslims because they know that allah want's them to. It's a sad old world if you're a little muslim kid out in the ocean in mortal danger, because your muslim parents are fighting with other muslims. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:27pm moses wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:28pm:
Here, Moses: moses wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 6:27pm:
Or do you deny typing that? ::) Quote:
If you are to be member of a specified group that has certain prerequisites which detail the requirements to be a member, you must fit the bill so to speak. Of course if you are to be a muslim you have to obey the teachings of muhammad. If you are to be a Christian you must obey the teachings of Christ This is standard procedure for anything not just religious organizations. This interpretation crap is just excuses for people desperately trying to exonerate the evil in the qur'an. [/quote] Yet, you refuse to obey the teachings of Christ. Does that make you a non-Christian, Moses? Have you forgotten the exhortation of Christ to, "love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you," (Matt 5:44). You hate your enemies, you curse those that curse you, do no good and you do not pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you, Moses. Have you also forgotten the Christian belief in the 10 Commandments? Tsk, tsk. Quote:
Why am I interpreting? I read what a book says, taking into account that it may have a particular message it is trying to imply, (say for example there may be parables or it is meant to be seen as a spiritual message etc.) There is no doubt that a large portion of the qur'an was preached by muhammad to urge muslims to rape torture and kill, it preaches hatred of non muslims. There is no doubt that the teachings of Christ never advocated rape torture and murder. What the hell is wrong with you people? Muslims torturing and slaughtering other muslims in the 21st century, because they absolutely believe the filth in the qur'an gives them the right to do so. While so called moderate muslims and their apologists try and tell us they have got it all wrong? For goodness sake stop the excuses, get muslims to take responsibility for the evil stupidity and lies in the qur'an, that is the only way to ultimately find a peaceful solution to the problems of muslims committing atrocities in the name of allah. The qur'an urges muslims to perpetrate the most horrendous iniquities imaginable, yet you keep trying to defend it.[/quote] Your problem, Moses is that you are a zealot. You have ignored the intent of your Christ instead holding literally to the words he used to impart his message - just as Isamists have with the message of Mohammed. You are their exact mirror image it appears. You ignore the billions of Muslims who live innocent peaceful lives to focus exclusively on the tiny minority who are violent. You cannot see the forest for the trees. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Bobby on Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:33pm
Brian,
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That's why I pray for Monk. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:54pm moses wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:24pm:
That's right, Moses. I asked whether your prophet meant what He said. Do you think He did? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:02pm DonDeeHippy wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 3:21pm:
No, democracy started in the Britain where those who wanted it had to fight for it within their country. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:48pm Auggie wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
Ah yes, just like all those Muslims Moses speaks of today. Do they mean what they say too, Moses? Does Muhammed? Yeheshua? Do you? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:30pm
Brian Ross wrote Reply #44 - Yesterday at 6:27pm:
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English is beyond you? How can anyone transform tell how Christ told Christians to kill Christians into why Christians kill other Christians? The two sentences have completely different meanings. One is a challenge that is impossible for you to meet (tell how Christ told Christians to kill) as He simply didn't do it. You then deliberately lied and said I asked why Christians kill other Christians. Just one more lie you have told on a debate site. Quote:
Says the self righteous liar who supports muslim terrorists, who is afraid to be honest and criticize the qur'an, who prefers muslim depravity over honestly telling them that the qur'an is the cause of all their problems. Who slithers around telling lies because he cannot refute the statement: muslims who commit depravities are obeying the commands of muhammad. People who commit evil deeds are directly disobeying the teachings of Christ. You're one sick bit of gear Brian, why don't you want to stop little muslim kids being put in total danger because their muslim parents are fleeing other muslims? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:31pm
karnal wrote:Reply #48 - Yesterday at 9:48pm
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Another question. I'd say Christ meant what He said, to try and live a life of honesty and decency, shunning evil, don't do stupid life threatening things, question the spirit / motive of lifes' processes, love people, do good works, he never once said to do harm to other people. He was the total opposite to the founder of islam, muhammad. muhammad also meant what he said when he taught that muslims can rape torture and kill people. Now the real question is: Why are you so opposed to stopping muslims from obeying these putridly evil commands of muhammad, why do you prefer that little kids be put in terrifying life threatening situations, because their muslim parents are fleeing other muslims, over simply being honest about the cause and motivation of all their troubles islam / allah / muhammad? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 9th, 2018 at 5:56pm moses wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:30pm:
English is beyond you? [/quote] Nope. It appears beyond you, Moses. I have never claimed Christ told Christians to kill other Christians. Christians told other Christians they need to kill Christians who they disagree with. Are you denying that occurred? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:11pm
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Uh oh another smokescreen by our resident islamic terror supporter. You deliberately lied by metamorphosing tell how Christ told Christians to kill Christians into why Christians kill other Christians It's only a debate site Brian, if you can't be honest here, what sort of a person are you? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:44pm moses wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Breaking the 9th Commandment again, Moses. Tsk, tsk. ::) Quote:
Errr, a "lie" is generally defined as "deliberate telling of a untruth". I have not "lied", I interpreted it how I believed it should be answered, Moses. That does not, except to a literalist, constitute a "lie". You appear to be showing just how much of a literalist you are. Just how much of a zealot you are. Why do you keep ignoring the points I make about your disobedience of your Christ's instructions and your Bible's instructions? Are they too embarrassing for you to answer? ::) Why do you ignore the instruction from Christ to love thy enemies? Why do you ignore the 9th Commandment not to bear false witness against other people? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 9th, 2018 at 7:37pm moses wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
I don't, Moses, but I'm curious. As a happy Christian fellow, saved by the word of thy Saviour, why do you refuse to love and pray for the Muselman? Why do you continue to rebuke thy brother and cast out the mote in thine own eye? If you believe the prophet Yeheshua meant what He said, why do you continue to oppose Him? Why do you continue to disobey the word of G_d? Thou art blessed and loved beyond measure, Moses. Why do you deny this love to others? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:14pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:44pm:
Errr, a "lie" is generally defined as "deliberate telling of a untruth". I have not "lied", I interpreted it how I believed it should be answered, Moses. That does not, except to a literalist, constitute a "lie". You appear to be showing just how much of a literalist you are. Just how much of a zealot you are. Why do you keep ignoring the points I make about your disobedience of your Christ's instructions and your Bible's instructions? Are they too embarrassing for you to answer? ::) Why do you ignore the instruction from Christ to love thy enemies? Why do you ignore the 9th Commandment not to bear false witness against other people? [/quote] You always lie, Bwian. Deliberate untruth is what you always, always utter. Nobody is as blithely, unerringly stupid as you pretend to be. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:20pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
When was that, thick as mince auntie? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:31pm Frank wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:20pm:
I say, old boy, are you a jolly Christian fellow? A simple yes or no will suffice. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:47pm Karnal wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:48pm:
The Muselman is a liar, remember, they never mean what they say. Google: Taqqiyah. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:17am Auggie wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
That's true, Auggie, but Moses is indicating that his prophet Yeheshua didn't mean what He said as well. The Torah, the Quran, the Bible - it doesn't mean what it says. Moses has to hate them and kill them as ordered by his sinister prophet who said to love them and pray for them. Cunning, no? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:22pm
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:23pm
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Oh I spend my days trying to solve the great mysteries of our time; Why are little muslim kids in danger all the time, because their parents (muslims also), keep fighting with other muslims? How long will it take them to realize that the doctrine of islam is the source of all their troubles? Why do muslims and their apologists prefer islamic atrocities over simply questioning the qur'an (the source of all their problems)? So many questions, it's enough to make you want to jump on a flying donkey and just up up and away. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:25pm moses wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:23pm:
Questions questions. So I'm curious. Are you saying you disagree with the words of your prophet, or He didn't mean what He said? You might like to try an answer, Moses. Remember, your prophet also said He would teach you to be a fisher of men. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:50pm Frank wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
You always lie, Bwian. Deliberate untruth is what you always, always utter. Nobody is as blithely, unerringly stupid as you pretend to be. [/quote] Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, Soren. Boring. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:55pm Frank wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 9:20pm:
When was it, Soren? Lets see if you have any knowledge or are you just using your normal bigotry? Mmmm? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:58pm moses wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:22pm:
So, how are your Christian masters, Moses? You know the Albinos of Opus Dei? Or are they more sinister than that? Tsk, tsk, it can cut both ways, mate. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:39pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:55pm:
1. Many centuries ago, thicko. 2. You clumsily tried to dodged the question whether Christ taught his disciples and followers to kill, including the 'wrong' kinda Musulman, the apostates, you deceptive little liar. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:11pm Frank wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:39pm:
Did it or did it not occur, Soren? Did Christians kill other Christians because they refused to accept their doctrinal differences? You want something more recent? How about Serbs killing Croats? Croats killing Serbs? How about Hutus killing Tutsis? How about Catholics killing Protestants and Protestants killing Catholics? Mmmmm? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:50pm
The old boy's a Lutheran, Brian. They're superior to the Catholics.
"White culture", innit. Don't mention the war. The old boy is ever so traumatised. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:48pm
So many excuses and smokescreens from the leftard apologists.
All because they are scrambling to hide from fact. muhammad told muslims to torture and kill other muslims who are apostates, hypocrites and corrupters. 1400 years later, muslims are slaughtering each other on a daily basis, little muslim kids live in panic and terror. The sickest part of all this, is the way muslims and their apologists prefer the bloodshed death and destruction, over exhaustively ridding the qur'an of the evil which causes the problem. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:25pm moses wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
Don't want to answer the question, eh? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:27pm
Moses, Moses, you deny so much of world history. Christians have killed other Christians. When you accept that and actually acknowledge that what drove them was religious doctrinal differences in their blood lust. Tsk, tsk, ::)
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:31pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
Little Muslim kids are currently living in fear of Russian and US rockets - rockets that defend a secular regime. In fact, the Genesis of the Syrian civil war was footage of the corpses of children. They had been tortured and killed by Assad's security forces. Moses has always supported the bombardments and military action against the Muselman. When the little Muslim kids try to escape, Moses wants to send them back. What did prophet Yeheshua say about the children? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:34pm Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:31pm:
Little Muslim kids are currently living in fear of Russian and US rockets. So how else to you fight a bunch of well entrenched Muslim extremists? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:42pm
Classic examples of what I said.
A couple of leftard apologists. Just can't bring themselves to be honest about muslim kids being put at risk because muhammad told muslims to kill other muslims. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:00pm
Funny, I don't think anybody has denied that, Moses.
Unlike you though, who refuses to admit that the Bible instructs Christians to kill people. Tsk, tsk. Living in your head must be a real problem, it's such a narrow view of the world. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Secret Wars on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:05pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Hehehe, narrow view. Would a narrow view include a stated inability to criticise Islam, an inability to describe the Sunni Shia schism as a blood lust? ;D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:15pm Secret Wars wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
Nope. I acknowledge that Islam can be critised by those with the knowledge to do so (what a shame few here have it) and that the Sunni-Sh'ia schism is about doctrinal differences. Never denied either of them. Your next waste of time point would be? Tsk, tsk. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:21pm Quote:
O.K. you've now run away from me asking you to show how Christ instructed his followers to kill people, you have now stated the Bible instructs Christians to kill people. Now show us an instruction to Christians to kill people? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Secret Wars on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:33pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:15pm:
Did you describe the blood letting from that schism as a blood lust or you reserve that emotive expression for Christian schisms. I look forward to your future criticism of Islamist atrocities, it will be a change from your previously stated idiotic position of an inability to criticise and until now reflex apologism. But I won't be holding my breath, I anticipate a continuation of your usual spineless apologism. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by JollyGreenGiant on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:20pm
What about the Burning Bush? Was Moses having an epiphany? Or was he suffering some sort of mental illness ... didn't his Mother and Father just die or something?
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:28pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:34pm:
Why, by propping up a dictator, of course. As Mr Abbott said, there are baddies on both sides. I'm sure Mr Trump will support Mr Putin on this. Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:29pm moses wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
I'm most honest, Moses. Your turn. Did your prophet mean what he said? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:32pm moses wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:21pm:
You've already quoted it, Moses. It's the bit where Yeheshua said to love thine enemy and pray for him. Google: taqiyya. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:34pm Secret Wars wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:33pm:
Yes, it could be described as "blood lust". The problem is Moses refuses to acknowledge that events in Christian history fit that "emotive expression" very well, indeed. Why aren't you attacking him for his ducking of Christian history or does he get a free pass 'cause he's an Islamophobe? Mmmmm? ::) Quote:
I'd love to see some details of this supposed "reflex apologism" that I am supposed to have engaged in. All I have asked is that innocent Muslims, who are thousands of kilometres from where Islamist atrocities have occurred, to be accorded the respect they and their beliefs deserve. Unlike like the Islamophobes, I do not condemn people who are innocent of any crimes. Do you? I was always taught that people were, "innocent until proven guilty". It appears that Islamophobes condemn Muslims simply for being, well, Muslims. ::) Quote:
Well, when you and other Islamophobes produce evidence that individual Muslims are guilty of a crime, then I don't doubt you'll feel happy with my response. Islamophobia, however, I will continue to condemn for it's bigotry and mindless hatred. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:38pm moses wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:21pm:
I have, numerous times, Moses. You have always denied the passages I have quoted. Funny that, hey, Moses? You are a zealot. The Bible consists of far more than just the New Testament, you realise? Tsk, tsk, so much for your belief in Christianity. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Jul 11th, 2018 at 7:41pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:34pm:
Well, when you and other Islamophobes produce evidence that individual Muslims are guilty of a crime, then I don't doubt you'll feel happy with my response. Islamophobia, however, I will continue to condemn for it's bigotry and mindless hatred. ::) [/quote] Events in Christian history... Possibly . But if we look at 2018 There's certainly no way you could say radical Christians are in the ascendancy There's no way you could say they are involved in any reprehensible behaviour unless you consider being conservative as reprehensible. And there is nowhere that Christianity hasn't sorted out the separation of church and state. You could really only point to maybe one Muslim democracy that functions reasonably. And that would be turkey. But even turkey is very shaken Til the separation of church and state can be worked out, Muslims have a big problem |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:08pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 7:41pm:
Appears you are making excuses for Christians, Acqua. If one Christian commits a crime, all Christians are guilty, using the logic that many Islamophobes use in judging Muslims. According to them, simply being a Muslim, makes them guilty of the crimes committed by all other Muslims. Do you think that is fair? I don't. If that is being an "apologist", then so be it. I do not believe in persecuting innocent people. What about you? Is persecuting peope because they worship a different god a good idea? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:08am Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:08pm:
i cant see where i have been persecuting islam. tsk tsk ::) ::). and you havent addressed the issue at all of the seperation of church and state or the model for a functional muslim democracy |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 12th, 2018 at 1:46pm Quote:
The board liar wrote:Reply #85 - Yesterday at 4:38pm Quote:
The excuses keep coming to cover the fact that you failed to show one instruction telling Christians to kill people You have repeatedly lied with your reference to ancient Hebrew writings, which date back approximately 2000 years before a Christian set foot on this earth. You have repeatedly been defeated, by the citing of Christian doctrine which shows that these Mosaic laws were all fulfilled by the crucifixion of Christ. You cannot stand to face the fact that: muslims who slaughter people are obeying the teachings of muhammad. Anyone who commits human rights atrocities are directly disobeying the teachings of Christ. You deliberately lie on a debate site to protect and excuse islamic terror in the 21st century, you cower at the thought of being honest about the evil in the qur'an which engenders islamic terrorism.. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:13pm Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
Moses? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:37pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:08am:
Where did I suggest you had made that claim, Acqua. I asked a question. You do know the difference between a statement and a question, don't you? ::) Quote:
Why am I being held to account for Islam and all Muslims, Acqua? I address the points that I feel need addressing, not everything you spout. Tsk, tsk, ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:43pm moses wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 1:46pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. How about the instruction to kill the Gnostics and the Albigensians? Funny how you keep overlooking their fate, Moses. ::) You continually accuse me of "lying" without presenting any proof. Tsk, tsk. When you address the points I made - honestly and without dissembling, then we might continue our little charade of a debate. Until then, bye-bye. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:54pm
karnal wrote: Reply #90 - Today at 2:13pm
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Yes. I'd say He meant everything or He wouldn't have said it. Now come on, lets go with your three word trick, you know: love your enemies, turn the other cheek, etc. It's a favourite ploy of yours to say that people must obey certain 3 / 4 word quotes and totally ignore the other directives which say to shun evil, be honest and truthful, don't take stupid risks etc. So come on, away you go and tell us how we must absolutely lie down and let evil people overrun and kill us, while we turn the other cheek and love our enemies. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:59pm moses wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 2:54pm:
Thanks, Moses, I agree. I think your prophet meant it too. So you disagree with Him? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:01pm
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I know of no such instructions in any of Christs' teachings. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:03pm moses wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:01pm:
That's true, Moses. Prophet Yeheshua never said to kill or hate anyone. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:09pm
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Not as far as I know. Is this the start of your three word trick, you know: love your enemies, turn the other cheek, etc. It's a favourite ploy of yours to say that people must obey certain 3 / 4 word quotes and totally ignore the other directives which say to shun evil, be honest and truthful, don't take stupid risks etc. So come on, away you go and tell us how we must absolutely lie down and let evil people overrun and kill us, while we turn the other cheek and love our enemies. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:16pm moses wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:01pm:
And around we go again on the endless cycle of Moses denying reality. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Christ might not have instructed it but Christians definitely did in his name. Tsk, tsk, denying history, denying reality. Must be a real fun house inside your head, Moses. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:21pm moses wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:09pm:
But Moses, you've just told Brian that your prophet said no such thing about hating and killing people. When Yeheshua and Paul said to shun evil, they meant to not do evil thyself. They did not mean to hate and kill evil-doers. Yeheshua's directive to love all as thyself was His most fundamental teaching. As St Paul said, if Ye hath not love, Ye are nothing. Faith, power and good works mean nothing without love. So I'll ask you again, do you disagree with this, or are you so stuck in hate that you can't find a way out? I'm curious. Your prophet is always there to help, you know. Knock, and the door shall be answered. Would you like to find love, brother? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:52pm
karnal wrote:
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I'll say again I agree with the teachings espoused by Christ. I totally reject your crap that girls should love and submit to the Sian Kingi or Anita Cobby murderers. Once again you're sick in the head karnal.. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:54pm
1st lie by B.R.
Reply #75 - Yesterday at 3:00pm Quote:
Challenged by me to show such instructions. He changes tack by posting: Reply #92 - Today at 2:43pm Quote:
O.K. so what's he talking about? Well it turns' out that Albigensian Crusade fought between 1209 and 1229. The Albigensian Crusade or the Cathar Crusade (1209–1229; French: Croisade des albigeois, Occitan: Crosada dels albigeses) was a 20-year military campaign initiated by Pope Innocent III to eliminate Catharism in Languedoc, in southern France. A military directive from a pope is now an instruction in the bible, according to our resident board liar. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 12th, 2018 at 4:13pm moses wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:52pm:
I'll say again I agree with the teachings espoused by Christ. I totally reject your crap that girls should love and submit to the Sian Kingi or Anita Cobby murderers. Once again you're sick in the head karnal.. [/quote] I don't know who Sian Kingi is, dear, but your prophet was clear when he asked who among us can cast the first stone. Prophet Yeheshua said that he came not to abolish the law but to fulfil it. This means he still respected law and justice: render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. I believe that fulfilling the law refers to faith in God. James 5:9: Quote:
James 4:12: Quote:
Corinthians 4:5: Quote:
Yeheshua was consistent, brother. This is not just 3 or 4 words, it's the message of the entire New Testament. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:15pm moses wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:54pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Erecting a strawman argument, Moses? I suppose its the only sort of argument you have a chance of winning, right? I have suggested that there are numerous instructions in The Bible for Christians to kill other people. However, it takes a Christian to read and obey them. In the case you're dredged up, the instruction came from the Pope - the leading Christian and the ultimate earthy authority on the religion and it's teaching - someone who'd we expect to understand what Christ was talking about and yet, he told his fellow Christians to kill the Albigensians. It is good that you've finally faced your demons and admit that Christians kill people, Moses. Do you feel cleansed by your confession? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:07pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:15pm:
Yes, Brian, but I believe Moses is saying Christians are justified in killing people they don't like in an attempt to steer clear of evil. Moses is saying he is perfectly entitled to hate Muslims and their apologists because they annoy him. More than entitled, Moses believes his prophet Yeheshua decrees this, despite multiple records by multiple disciples documenting Yeheshua saying something else entirely. Judge not, hate not, kill not in revenge. Let the Father deliver justice. Love all, including thy enemy. Including those turbaned tinted races you've never met who bother you ever so. Yes, Moses does not believe his prophet told him to turn the other cheek when the Muselman gets him all hot under the collar. Moses does not believe his prophet instructed him not to judgeth the apologists who get him all cranky, are sick and twisted, and make him lie down like a little girl. Remember, Brian, if you have not hate, you are nothing, no? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:43pm moses wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 3:54pm:
O.K. so what's he talking about? Well it turns' out that Albigensian Crusade fought between 1209 and 1229. The Albigensian Crusade or the Cathar Crusade (1209–1229; French: Croisade des albigeois, Occitan: Crosada dels albigeses) was a 20-year military campaign initiated by Pope Innocent III to eliminate Catharism in Languedoc, in southern France. A military directive from a pope is now an instruction in the bible, according to our resident board liar. [/quote] Yes, you have exposed him as a liar. This seems indisputable Now watch him dispute it :D ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 12th, 2018 at 8:19pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
Yes, you have exposed him as a liar. This seems indisputable Now watch him dispute it :D ::)[/quote] Christians don't do that, Aquascoot. We honour each other. We love our brother as we love ourselves. I think this is important. To have love, one must forgive oneself. I'm not sure if Mr Trump discovered this on his journey to self fulfilment, but I think prophet Yeheshua did. He wrote the Bible. Moh wrote the Quran. Mr Trump wrote the Art of the Deal I, II & III. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 12th, 2018 at 11:26pm Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:07pm:
Ah. Yes. Moses does seem to hate people who disagree with him. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 16th, 2018 at 4:44pm
The story so far is:
Two leftard apologists desperately trying to save their muslim terrorists friends from denunciation. They simply can't stand the fact: if people commit atrocities they are disobeying the teachings of Christ. Conversely. Every muslims who perpetrates the most depraved degeneracy against their fellow man are obeying the teachings of muhammad. Poor old liar B.R. is ingeniously trying to prove that people who disobey Christ are true blue Christians, when their own doctrine distinctly says they are not. The other one is truly a sicko, trying to push the line of absolute love and submission is the sole duty of everyone, dismissing the horrific rape torture and murder of little girls and women as of no consequence, Christians simply should accept every evil in this world, love and submit to it. Sicko perverts. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:01pm moses wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 4:44pm:
Moses, you are welcome to denounce Terrorists as much as you desire. Your problem is, you define "Terrorists" to include all Muslims, innocent and guilty alike. Which is why I call you a bigot. To you, merely being a Muslim makes a person guilty of all sorts of crimes, the moment they leave their mother's womb. Tsk, tsk, ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:19pm
I know that the qur'an is the cause and motivation for islamic terrorism.
Anyone who supports the qur'an as being infallible and unchangeable by definition supports the religious terrorism engendered. Find one muslim who will decry the evil in the qur'an. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:29pm moses wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 5:19pm:
Just as the Bible is for Christian Terrorism, Moses. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:54pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:29pm:
Which part of the Bible is quoted by terrorists, silly old bedwetter? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 16th, 2018 at 10:14pm Frank wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
We'll ask Moses. Moses, where did prophet Yeheshua rescind His order to love thine enemy? Where did He tell His followers to hate them, ban them, kill the Muslims and their apologists? Chapter and verse, please. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:55am Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 8:19pm:
Christians don't do that, Aquascoot. We honour each other. We love our brother as we love ourselves. I think this is important. To have love, one must forgive oneself. I'm not sure if Mr Trump discovered this on his journey to self fulfilment, but I think prophet Yeheshua did. He wrote the Bible. Moh wrote the Quran. Mr Trump wrote the Art of the Deal I, II & III. [/quote] well brian did tell a lie and if he wants to stay on the narrow road to success , then he should rectify this. now you will say trump tells lies too, but i more see trump as a rule breaker. there is a difference. with regards the bible and the quran (or the dao or the dharma)....they must have some sort of embodied truth or they would not have stood the test of time. they must contain archetypal stories. sleeping beauty, pinochio, mcbeth, mozarts music, michelangelos paintings...these are archetypal. they speak to something that is true across time. all learning is remembering karnal. now 'the art of the deal". is this an archtypal story? probably not. but trump may be an archetypal figure, a heroic figure who re ignited assertive and courageous masculine energy. time will tell. trump is a bit like the pheonix. always being burnt to the ground and reborn. if he allows the dead wood to be burnt off, then he can emerge better each time. characters like obama and hilary. they never really had 'the fall". so they may be made up of 90 % dead wood . dead wood can be lies, deceit and arrogance. one would have to acknowledge the arrogance of the democratic party 18 months ago. we , humans, like the story of "the fall". its a death and rebirth story. a movie where everything just chugged along would be pretty boring. a better story is , "you were going along and suddenly there was a period of great chaos and you made sense of the chaos and emerged as a hero". we like that story. thats most movies. thats not hilary or obama. thats the story of trump. thats why its engaging and interesting |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:11pm Frank wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
Obviously not Matthew 5:44, Soren. Perhaps they like to quote something from Revelations instead? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:15pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:55am:
well brian did tell a lie and if he wants to stay on the narrow road to success , then he should rectify this. [/quote] What a strange definition of the word "lie" you are using there, Aqua. Rather a case of mendacity on your part, don't you think? Tsk, tsk. Prove I "knowngly told an untruth," if you can. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:22pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:15pm:
What a strange definition of the word "lie" you are using there, Aqua. Rather a case of mendacity on your part, don't you think? Tsk, tsk. Prove I "knowngly told an untruth," if you can. ::)[/quote] Tsk tsk. You told Moses that the bible instructed Christians to kill people. You gave as an example the instruction to kill Gnostics and albigensians. Moses pointed out that this was an instruction from a pope in the 13 th century. Are you standing by your claim that this instruction came from the bible. Tsk tsk Though shalt not lie . That comes from the bible. Educate yourself ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by issuevoter on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:43pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:22pm:
Tsk tsk. You told Moses that the bible instructed Christians to kill people. You gave as an example the instruction to kill Gnostics and albigensians. Moses pointed out that this was an instruction from a pope in the 13 th century. Are you standing by your claim that this instruction came from the bible. Tsk tsk Though shalt not lie . That comes from the bible. Educate yourself ::) ::)[/quote] All of these apologies for the conduct of contemporary Islam, comparing Christianity, are flimsy at best. The fact of the matter, the issue at the heart of all of this is the present-day atrocities in the name of a religion, namely Islam. No other religion is carrying out a campaign of wholesale murder and intimidation anything remotely comparable to that which moderate Muzlims condone in their silence. That is the essentially fallacy of the "not all Muzlims are terrorists" claim. Its sophistry, seeking to change the subject. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:08pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 1:22pm:
I am not a Christian, nor have I ever claimed to be a Christian, unlike Moses. I believe the Bible instructs Christians to kill people. There are numerous such instructions as Deuteronomy 17:1-20: “You shall not sacrifice to the Lord your God an ox or a sheep in which is a blemish, any defect whatever, for that is an abomination to the Lord your God. “If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones. ... " or we have 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 "And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman. " Both are clear instructions, from within the Bible to kill people. Tsk, tsk, indeed. Now who is lying? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:45pm
--------aaaaaaannnnnnd the truth is what?
Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it. 2018 years ago the law and the prophets were until John. Means 2018 years ago the ancient mosaic law was superseded, the Christian world which had just begun, with an entirely different doctrine to Judaism. So now our islamic terror apologist is quoting some 3500 / 4000 year old outdated Judaic laws, as being of relevance in his quest to excuse islamic doctrine which clearly is written in the present tense and urges muslims to rape, torture and kill innocent people. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 17th, 2018 at 4:21pm
And yet they still include, in every copy of the Bible the Old Testament and it remains a central part of Church teaching. Funny that, hey, Moses? ::) ::)
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 18th, 2018 at 2:20pm
You'll note that Bwian the Dr of Divinity knows nothing apparently and is in denial about everything.
You've been told time and time again haven't you Bwian about quoting the Old Testament, You've been told what the OT is and yet year after year you keep posting the same crap. Only forcing people to post the facts and correct you time and time again... same with RACE, Multiculturalism, etc, etc, etc... tsk, tsk, tsk bwian, shame on you, Dr. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 18th, 2018 at 2:21pm Quote:
Of course they do:it is a copy of what was prophesied regarding the arrival of the messiah, it contains the Ten Commandments and various other dictates relevant to today, it contains a copy of the ancient Mosaic Laws that were superseded by the arrival of Christ and his subsequent fulfillment / ending of the Law. The fact is Ancient Mosaic Law was ended 2018 years ago, Christians do not obtain salvation through the law, they do so through faith. Do we need to copy and past the numerous verses in the N.T. which teach this to Christians? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 18th, 2018 at 2:26pm
Heard it and posted in many many times before Moses... he ain't going to change his deliberate lying and obfuscation... he never has.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 18th, 2018 at 2:57pm moses wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 2:21pm:
It is amazing then how much and how many Christians ignore this teaching, Moses. A point I keep making which you keep ignoring. Perhaps your view is very much in the minority? The Old Testament is viewed as a central part of Christianity's teaching being regarded as containing, as even you note, importing teachings. It is amazing how all those Christians ignore what you are claiming. It is really. What I find interesting is how you proclaim the importance of the Commandments and yet ignore their teachings. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:31pm Quote:
All prophesied by Christ 2018 years ago. His answer to these people was: Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. They are not accepted as Christians by Christ end of story. conversely: If a muslim commits human rights atrocities he is totally accepted by muhammad/allah as being the highest grade of muslim. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:36pm
See... I told you so... and he'll keep ignoring anything else he can't acknowledge.
The OT is Jewish/Hebrew religious history. The OT is essentially the Jewish Bible, or Tanakh, with some minor variations. It includes religious law, historical narratives, wisdom literature and prophetic writings. Christianity is the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus Christ. The NT contains the teachings of Christ, it is not Judaism. It discusses the teachings and person of Jesus, as well as events during his life and times. remember Bwian... how many times over the last few decades have you been told that or a variation of it eh? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:58pm moses wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
Actually, you as usual are only telling half the story, Moses, aren't you? If we examine what Christ is reputed to have said before and after your quoted passage we discover he was talking about false worshippers. What about the worshippers who truly believe that what they are doing is given the OK by the Bible, Moses? You know, the zealots like yourself who ignore the bits of the Bible that doesn't agree with their opinions? Such as the 9th Commandment about bearing false witness against other people? You know the commandment that you ignore all the time? ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 19th, 2018 at 2:09pm
@ B.R. the board liar.
What are you on about now? Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. So not everyone who prays to Christ will enter the kingdom of heaven (o.K. these people believe they are worshipping Christ, but they will not enter heaven) Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Again many will say they have done things in the name of Christ (once again these people believe they are true followers) Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Then Christ states that He rejects workers of iniquity. So there it is in black and white, straight from the horses' mouth, people may believe they are doing things in the name of Christ, however if it is iniquitous, He rejects them they are not Christians. You already know this you're just slithering around, deliberately lying, in order to protect islamic terrorism. Why do you do this? Because muslims who commit human rights atrocities in the name of allah, are directly obeying the teachings of muhammad in the qur'an. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:35pm
Still missing the point, Moses. How unsurprising.
You assume that the Christians who commit atrocities know they will be ejected from Christianity and so don't commit their atrocities because they don't want to lose the love of Christ. History however is littered with examples of Christians committing atrocities, murders, massacres, etc. And guess what? None were ejected from Christianity, they weren't shunned by the majority of Christians, in fact often their efforts were celebrated. Funny that, hey? They sound just like the Muslims you like to decry all the time. I also find it amazing that you, who so loudly proclaims his Christianity would disobey the very tenants of your own religion so volubly. Do you believe you're going to be rejected by Christ when you arrive at the gates of St. Peter? Afterall, that is what you have proclaimed to be the fate of those who disobey Christianity's teaching. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:56pm
How the bullshit flows.
Apologists for islamic terror still crawling away from the facts: men who commit atrocities are disobeying the teachings of Christ. conversely muslims who perpetrate the most putridly evil acts imaginable against their fellow man, are obeying muhammad to the very letter. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 19th, 2018 at 4:16pm moses wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 3:45pm:
Good point, Moses. Can you articulate the main principle of the new doctrine? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 19th, 2018 at 4:18pm moses wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:56pm:
As are men who hateth thine enemy and judgeth thy neighbour. You? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 19th, 2018 at 4:41pm moses wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:56pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Yes it does, Moses from your keyboard. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 19th, 2018 at 5:10pm
Oh gee I forgot that little girls should definately love and turn the other cheek to people like the scum that tortured and murdered Sian Kingi and Anita Cobby, according to our sicko karnal.
The board liar still scrambling away from the fact: men who commit atrocities are disobeying the teachings of Christ conversely muslims can perpetrate the most heinous of crimes against their fellow man, they will be obeying the commands of muhammad. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 19th, 2018 at 8:08pm
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. Men who disobey the teachings of Christ suffer no penalty it seems for their actions. Exactly the same as the Muslims you decry so often. Funny that, hey, Moses? ::) ::)
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 19th, 2018 at 10:24pm Karnal wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 4:16pm:
Moses? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 20th, 2018 at 2:36pm
let's see now aaaaahhhhh, oh that's right little girls should definitely love and turn the other cheek to people like the scum that tortured and murdered Sian Kingi and Anita Cobby, according to our sicko karnal
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 20th, 2018 at 5:28pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Tsk, tsk, tsk bwian, what a hypocrite you are... you've lied about me many many times over decades and here you do it almost daily don't you and you know its lies.... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) I'm guessing you aren't a Christian then. Just what religion apart from Islam permits untruths? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:14pm
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, telling more porkie pies, Geoff? You really are full of bullshit, aren't you? Run along, back to your playground little man. There you can scream and shout, tell lies, bully the other little kids. Here, you're expected to act like an adult which you've failed at thus far. Time to grow up, little boy. ::) ::)
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:51pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:14pm:
Nothing I wrote there is untrue bwian. Embarrassed by your behaviour are you in denial of the truth? I can't hear the shouting bwian, I just see the bigger font that proclaims what YOU really are. You could apologise of course. You could tell the truth and admit you are a liar. :D :D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:52pm
So... you going to ignore my question like the immature liar you are or answer it?
Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 5:28pm:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:59pm Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Still shouting, Geoff? So childish. Your tactics might work in your playground with all your childish mates around you but here? Nope, adults are here. Time to grow up, mate. Time to be an adult. Tsk, tsk, run along, back to your playground, I hear your child minder calling you. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:56pm moses wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 2:36pm:
Anita Cobby? No, dear, I'm talking about you. Were you raped by a Muselman as a little girl, or do you just hate them? I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think - as a disciple of your jolly prophet. Where does Yeheshua tell you to hate them, ban them, kill them? Anywhere? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:59pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
Geoff? Geoff?? Oh, dearie me. Where could he have got to? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:08pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
oh dear you are acting and writing like an idiot and you are lying. You don't know me never have. You have no idea about my childhood and BTW bwian I was invited to a forum to deal with your bullying. So stop the lying bwian. Stop wasting my time correcting your lies. ::) ::) ::) If you have nothing bwian, best you say nothing... better to let people wonder if you are a fool than say something and remove all doubt eh. :D :D :D ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:34pm
There you are!
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 21st, 2018 at 2:10pm Quote:
why the exaggeration? Part of the teachings tell people: To shun evil and don't tempt fate. This bit of advice is very pertinent with regard to how we should deal with the evil in islam. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 21st, 2018 at 2:19pm moses wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 2:10pm:
But were you raped as a little girl? What atrocities did the Muselman perform on you that you that you can't forgive as your prophet instructs? We're all friends here, Moses. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 21st, 2018 at 2:20pm Karnal wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 2:19pm:
What did those little girls at that pop concert do dear? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 21st, 2018 at 3:06pm Quote:
Not really. We have people who are exposing the depravity in the qur'an / islamic doctrine (my side of the fence). Then (on the other side of said fence), we have muslims and their apologists slithering around, desperately telling any lie they can, to excuse the teachings of islam which urge, cause and motivate, the rape torture and mass murder being carried out by muslims today 2018 . |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 21st, 2018 at 3:08pm Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
I give as good as I am given, Geoff. Appear you are unable to handle people who speak back to you. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. What would you do if I told you I was a Black, Indigenous Australian, non-Christian fellow? Would we hear you insulting my ancentry? My skin colour? My lack of Christianity? Just like Pauline and her band of village idiots have. Tsk, tsk, ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 21st, 2018 at 3:18pm Grendel wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 9:08pm:
If I have lied (knowing told an untruth) prove I have done so, Geoff. Post evidence that proves I have knowingly told an untruth. All my comments are based upon what you have posted in the past, in between your continued ranting and riling at me and other posters who disagree with you. You appear to believe I am all knowledgeable, that everything I write must be written from a position of knowledge, not ignorance. To make a comment, which is ignorant appears to you, to be a "lie". You never present proof, you never present refutation, it is just a "lie" in your view. ::) If I have something wrong, correct me, don't keep wasting our time with your posing rant about "lies" and "trolling" all the time or is that beyond you? Just as it is beyond it seems Pauline Hanson in her ignorance. Tsk, tsk. Tell us the truth, Geoff, you're really Pauline in trousers, aren't you? ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:13pm moses wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 3:06pm:
Moses, you've already been caught misquoting Quran passages, but I'd like to give you the opportunity to justify your stance using your very own faith. Please quote where your prophet said to hate any group, particularly one that has done you no wrong (even though your prophet said to forgive them too). Please demonstrate, using chapter and verse, why we should join you in hating them in spite of your prophet's admonition to "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". If you can show where your prophet justifies you in demonstrating your hatred here on a daily basis, casting your net as wide as a quarter of the human race - and their apologists, which include your Christian brothers.- I will join you in calling to ban them, kill them, cesterete them. We are indeed all friends, as our prophet taught us. And if we have not love, as His disciple wrote, we are nothing. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:47pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 3:08pm:
I'm not racist bwian.... all your attempts to paint me as one fail because of that fact. You are a sad TROLL these days... pity. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:48pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 3:18pm:
Everything you write about me seems to be an untruth bwian. Your flaming ad hom and ridicule just proves me right about you though. :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 21st, 2018 at 9:59pm Grendel wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:47pm:
We're all friends here, Grendel. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 2:02pm Grendel wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:48pm:
Really? Funny, I'd say the same thing about everything you've claimed about me, Geoff. Unlike you, I've attempted to disprove your claims but you've just ignore those efforts. Funny that, hey? Do you or do you not defend racism and Islamophobia from Pauline Hanson and the PHONies? Do you or do you not spout racism and Islamophobic comments when ever you can? Do you or do you not attack Immigrants for daring to be different to how you perceive Australians should act/dress/eat/speak? Do you do do you not attack Indigenous Australians for daring to speak out against the oppression and hatred they experience at the hands of White Australians? Quote:
If you can't handle the heat, I'd recommend you get out of the kitchen, Geoff is an old saying. Your inability to handle ridicule suggests what about your position? Geoff, your endless ranting and insults are boring as batshit and very childish. Until you clean up your act and stop standing on your pedestal, thinking that you're holier than the rest of us, I'll keep on showing you aren't. Neither is Pauline and her band of village idiots. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 2:14pm
Oh dear more lies and denial and ad hom from the TROLL bwian...
Do try to stop obsessing and post something on topic for a change. Or stay under your bridge. You bore me... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) You apparently are oblivious to the fact that the crap you blame others for is actually what YOU do. Now run along if you cant stay on topic, because personally I'm just sick of you and your stupidity. :D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 2:26pm
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, now what did I say about heat in the kitchen, Geoff? I offered you a chance to explain your position and off you go and use ad hominem argument instead. The only debater who screams "troll" all the time appears to be the biggest troll on the site. If I wanted to troll you, mate you obviously wouldn't even recognise it. ::)
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 2:27pm Quote:
Aw gee now you've shown how silly I am for not believing that the old moon god allah really truly does forgive women who have done nothing wrong. How foolish of me to not see how he definitely forgives women raped by muslims who are using them against their will for prostitution. I mean how the hell did I miss that bit? Ater all he only forgives the victims of prostitution, it's not like he hands out his pardons willy nilly, he only *often* forgives women who have done nothing wrong in the muslims prostitution world. Any other innocent victims of islamic atrocities don't qualify it seems, they definitely are not mentioned, it's amazing how this verse is so profound, to forgive people who have committed no sin, that's got to be first. Then again muslims and their apologists might just be practicing taqiyya, surely not they wouldn't do that would they in order to exonerate the evil in the qur'an? (but then again lies lies and more lies is the modus operandi of muzzies and their leftard apologists) I dunno it's all so confusing. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 2:38pm moses wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 2:27pm:
Why do you find it confusing, Moses? Is it because you disbelieve automatically everything you're told which contradicts your bigoted viewpoint about Muslims and Islam? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, and you wonder why you find it all so confusing? ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 3:04pm
Gee whiz now I'm even more confused, the board liar is on the band wagon.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 3:35pm moses wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 3:04pm:
You shouldn't be so hard on yourself, Moses. We all know you lie, constantly. There really isn't any need to announce it to us. Tsk, tsk. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 5:02pm
Oh and bwian in answer to your off topic crap and lies....
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Nope Do you do do you not attack Indigenous Australians for daring to speak out against the oppression and hatred they experience at the hands of White Australians? And No..... Why is you ask questions that are clearly attempts at libel. ::) ::) ::) Tsk, tsk, tsk.... how low you've sunk over the years. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 5:03pm
Can YOU get back on subject now? hmmm.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 6:20pm Grendel wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 5:02pm:
So, when Pauline has been attacking well Asian Australians for being well, Asian, she wasn't being racist, Geoff and you weren't defending racism? How about when Pauline was attacking Indigenous Australians for being Indigenous, she wasn't being racist? Quote:
never have bwian.... ::) ::) ::)[/quote] So, when you're being critical of Asian Australians or Muslims you weren't spouting racism or Islamophobia? Mmmm, sure could have fooled me, Geoff. Your words were racist or Islamophobic, you were attacking them for daring to be Asian or Muslims in Australia (more usually just Sydney). I remember you once got upset at an Asian shop keeper for "ignoring" you. I wonder why they did that? Could it have been your insulting manner towards them? Quote:
Nope[/quote] Funny, you appear to have fooled myself and large number of other posters here and elsewhere, Geoff. Perhaps you need to think about your language before you use it? Quote:
Oh, dearie, dearie me. I'm not the one resorting to shouting, to using ad hominem language at every turn, Geoff. You are. I am being reasonable. All I've asked is for you to treat your fellow Australians fairly, to give them a fair go. You know that is the Australian way but it appears you and your fellow PHONies support a woman who appears to have lost sight of that. She, like you, criticises Muslims and in particular Muslim women for daring to dress in ways that she and you appear to find offensive, to worship a god that you and she disagrees with and so on. Tsk, tsk, one gets the impression that Pauline is Xenophobic except of course we know she doesn't understand the word. ::) Oh, and do please stop shouting, Geoff. You'll go hoarse if you keep that up, you realise? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. We wouldn't want that, now would we? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 6:35pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 2:26pm:
;D ;D ;D And who the **** are you to 'offer a chance' you silly old woman smelling of cat piss? Your pompous self-regard knows no bounds, Bwian the Ridiculous. When people ask you to explain yourself you go quiet. You are troll and a particularly stupid one. When your expectation of others is applied to you you go silent in embarrassed silence, you stupid old auntie. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 7:57pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 3:35pm:
Tsk tsk. Still holding to your statement that Jesus said to kill the Gnostics Brian Hmmm, hmmm ::) ::) ::) Lies lies lies |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 1:12pm moses wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 2:27pm:
How did you miss it? Why, Moses, that's easy. You got your quote from an anti-Islamic hate site that gives you all the quotes (and their mistranslations). You've never looked at a Quran, and despite your claims to have been raped like a little girl, have never engaged with any Muslims either. But you've avoided the task. Kindly provide your prophet's direction to do just what you're doing here: telling fibs about a faith you and a people you know nothing about. Kindly show where Yeheshua changed His mind and told you to hate them, ban them, kill them, as is your claim. My claim is that Yeheshua did no such thing. Indeed, Yeheshua distanced Himself from such people with statements such as, not all who go in My name shall enter the Kingdom. By my reckoning, a follower of Yeheshua must indeed be nice to enemies. He must break bread and engage with them. If he is wronged, he must forgive. All of this is very hard to do, but it is the teaching of your prophet. Now, you haven't been wronged. You have not been beheaded or slaughtered or raped like a little girl. You read these things in your hate sites, solely to get your hatred flowing. You do so to reinforce your sense of superiority, and this excuses you from doing the work your prophet taught: love them, accept them, help them to live. Your self-imposed hatred is the very opposite of your prophet's teaching, and if you believe Him, it will lead you to hell. Judgement is left in the hands of the Father. It is not for you or I to hate, but to love and forgive. This is what I've taken from your prophet. All followers are inspired to do the same. So I'm curious. Which words have you taken from the prophet? Please quote them here so we can see if you've missed something. It's good of you to acknowledge your initial mistake in your Quran quote above. Recognizing a mistake is fundamental to growing in your prophet's grace. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 2:05pm Karnal wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 8:13pm:
[smiley=thumbsup.gif] Nothing from moses, I see. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 2:17pm Quote:
Well, you are an idiot bwian and proving it.... you want to make a claim post some proof. Quote:
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You people are idiot TROLLS. Elsewhere bwian? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Now where would that be? Caught in another lie bwian. ::) ::) ::) Perhaps you should stop posting those lies about me you make up in your head. :D :D :D :D :D Quote:
Proving once more what an immature lying TROLL YOU are bwian. You use ad hom and ridicule all the time bwian, you flame everyone who disagrees with you, you lie about me constantly, you have sunk so low over the years its hard to catch sight of you down there. I treat my fellow Australians fairly, but bigots like you don't... now run along back to your bridge. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 2:24pm
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 2:26pm
Perhaps now bwian you can cease and desist your incessant TROLLING and get back on topic. Why not try to obsess over someone else for a change I'm sure somebody will appreciate it. :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::)
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 2:34pm Quote:
Well there it is in a nutshell, apologists saying that a person has to be killed before they can condemn killers. That's the pinnacle of leftard apologist intelligence. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 4:45pm Frank wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Soren, you appear to resort to ad hominem argument whenever you can. You rarely if ever actually debate any topic, you just choose to attack and insult your interlocators. Tsk, tsk, I wonder if this was what you were taught at the University of Baloney? I think you were robbed of an education then. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 4:49pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Tsk, tsk, oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Acqua. Run along, I can hear your childminder calling you back to the little kiddies' play ground where you belong. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 4:52pm Grendel wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 2:17pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Why should I bother? You will just automatically deny it, Geoff, as you always have. Pauline is a well known Racist and Islamophobe. She hates Indigenous Australians for getting in her opinion, "special privileges". As I've always said, it is a shame that the fissures of poverty and "race" coincide in Australian society. It allows Racists to attack poor people if they are Black. Tsk, tsk. Quote:
oh dear more lies bwian... post a quote there must be many you can choose from eh. [/quote] Ah, a bit difficult to post a quote when the site you made it on, no longer exists, now isn't it, Geoff? I agree, I have no quote but I remember you being dreadfully upset at this Asian storekeeper. Of course, you never considered that they ignored you because you insulted them? Of course not. You're never to blame, are you? Tsk, tsk. ::) Quote:
You people are idiot TROLL. Elsewhere bwian, tsk, tsk, tsk. Now where would that be? Caught in another lie bwian. ::) ::) ::) Perhaps you should stop posting lies about me you make up in your head. :D :D :D :D :D [/quote] Amazing how anybody who dares to take you to task for your attitudes you automatically declare a "troll", isn't it? Could it be that you hate having your views examined in the hard, cold light of reality? Of course not, Geoff, never, that wouldn't be you, now would it? You sound just like Pauline whenever she gets asked a difficult question. You going to burst into tears like her? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. ::) The reality is that you are considered a racist and an Islamophobe, Geoff. ::) Quote:
Proving once more what an immature lying TROLL YOU are bwian. You use ad hom and ridicule all the time bwian you flame everyone who disagrees with you, you lie about me constantly, you have sunk so low over the years its hard to catch sight of you down there. I treat my fellow Australians fairly, but bigots like you don't... now run along back to your bridge. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)[/quote] You have never treated non-White, non-Christian immigrant Australians, "fairly", Geoff. Indeed, I doubt the concept of "fair" ever enters your head. You declare anybody who takes you to task a, "troll" at every opportunity. You rarely actually debate an issue, instead preferring to resorting to ad hominemn argument at the earliest opportunity. Tsk, tsk, on could be right, I think for assuming that the only troll on here is yourself. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 5:03pm moses wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 2:34pm:
Oh, you can condemn killers all you like Moses. Problem is, you don't confine yourself to just doing that. You condemn all the other Muslims who haven't killed anybody. To you, Muslim == guilty of the most heinous crimes. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 7:53pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 4:49pm:
My childminder is reading me the bible. We are reading the story about how Jesus said to kill all the Gnostics. It's the gospel of Bwian ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 8:40pm
Well you are an idiot bwian and proving it.... you want to make a claim post some proof.
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Tsk tsk tsk bwian. Unlike you I don't lie. Pauline is well known for being called many things bwian by obsessive LW Progs and bigots like yourself and a great deal of it it wrong. you make lots of claims bwian, but you can never support your name calling can you? Quote:
oh dear more lies bwian... post a quote there must be many you can choose from eh. Quote:
LOL, you are funny and pathetic. The site no longer exists eh. Well bwian guess what the quote only exists in your head. As for your memory, you make stuff up and never remember anything properly do you. Quote:
You people are idiot TROLLS. Elsewhere bwian? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Now where would that be? Caught in another lie bwian. ::) ::) ::) Perhaps you should stop posting lies about me you make up in your head. :D :D :D :D :D Quote:
LOL Pathetic as usual. If anyone considers me a racist and an islamaphobe that would make them a fool like you bwian. Quote:
Proving once more what an immature lying TROLL YOU are bwian. You use ad hom and ridicule all the time bwian you flame everyone who disagrees with you, you lie about me constantly, you have sunk so low over the years its hard to catch sight of you down there. I treat my fellow Australians fairly, but bigots like you don't... now run along back to your bridge. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)[/quote] Quote:
Really? How would you know bwian. Oh that's right you wouldn't and you are a liar to boot. Quote:
Actually i don't I reserve that for the constant flamers and bigots like yourself. There are quite a few on this site. Quote:
LOL.... you keep telling yourself that bwian if it makes you feel better. Unlike you, I'm not self deluded. :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 8:54pm moses wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 2:34pm:
Not at all, it's the pinnacle of your prophet's teachings. And no, a person does not have to be killed to condemn. If killed, our prophet's example is to forgive. Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do. Christian martyrs followed this example, some going to great lengths to be killed and forgive. Now this is the message you say is superior to the Islamic moon god, so here's my question: Do you believe it? So far, you have declined to post examples of Yeheshua saying the opposite, so we can assume He did not. His death, after all, was His teaching. The very point of this teaching is to love all and forgive those who bring you harm. Unconditionally. So again, I'm curious. Do you believe in this prophet's teaching, or do you believe in something else? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:03pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 5:03pm:
What's the difference between PHON supporters and the followers of Mohammed? You are contemptuous of the former but screech about anyone who is contemptious of the latter, you silly, pretentious, pompous old arse (back, Karnal, BACK!) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:07pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 7:53pm:
Glad you enjoy reading fiction, Acqua. Care to show us where I claimed that? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:13pm Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:03pm:
Oh, I believe they're tanned. Your Muhammedan is a jolly tinted fellow. Isn't it. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:17pm Karnal wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:13pm:
Gandalf is not tinted, paki. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:23pm Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:17pm:
Does Gandalf believe in slaying the infidel? Killing those who do it Mardi Gras-style? Beheading those who insult the prophet? No? Correlation not causation, innit. G, as you say, is not tinted. Superior culture, no? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:24pm Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:03pm:
Ignoring your childish ad hominem insults, you've asked an interesting question, Soren. The clear difference is that while there may be PHONies who aren't idiots, they aren't evident because of the way Pauline and her band of village idiots have structured their party. Good Muslims are very evident, if you are willing to open your eyes/ears and see/hear them, Soren. Good PHONies appear very difficult to find, good Muslims are very evident. So how are your relationships with Muslims going, Soren? Still insulting them and ignoring what they say about Islam and their fellow Muslims? How unsurprising. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 10:20pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:24pm:
How many supporters of PHON do you know and have spoken to, silly arse? You are reflexively generalise about them even while screaching demenedly if anyone points out that Muslims follow the teachings of a bloody warlord and loudly quite his teachings when murdering people for Allah. You immediately perceive the common thread amkkng PHON supporters but not Mohammed supporters, even though people are not murdering others across the world in the name Pauline. You are too stupid and blinkered to be even hypochritical, Bwian. You do not have even basic insights. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 10:38pm Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 10:20pm:
Your problem, Soren is that you don't listen to what is typed/said to you about anything. To you, Islam is evil. Muslims are evil. To the rest of the world, they are merely their fellow Australians. Time you actually talked to some Muslims for a change and listen to what they have to say, rather than just closing your eyes/ears/mind and assuming they are wrong, merely because they are Muslims. Your attitudes remind me of the Protestant views on Catholicism. Obviously, being a Protestant you've never suffered from sectarianism, have you? I have. I see what you're claiming/saying/doing towards Muslims is hatred towards them simply because they are different, Soren. They won't change, time you did and became more accepting of difference. Become more Australian, more laid back. Learn to laugh with not at your fellow Australians. Quote:
I mock PHONies because they are fools. They are looking for a past that never existed, except in their imaginations, Soren. They refuse to accept their fellow Australians, instead preferring a past that is dead and buried. ::) Quote:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:22am Brian Ross wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:07pm:
certainly bwian. in reply 92, you stated this "Oh, dearie, dearie, me. How about the instruction to kill the Gnostics" yet the gnostic heresy was not an issue until 1200 years after the bible was written. so you lied. moses asked for examples FROM THE BIBLE of instructions to murder people and that was your reply. so you might benefit from reading the bible. particularly the the instruction "thou shalt not lie" ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:56am Brian Ross wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:24pm:
LOL Good Muslims are evident? What about those "Bad" Muslims then bwian, don't you notice them? How many of them are "village idiots" eh? You were nailed bwian. Face it, your just a hypocritical bigot. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 24th, 2018 at 1:52pm Quote:
Just goes to show you. I could have sworn that He said: Matthew 4:7 Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Which is explained as **a person must not neglect the ordinary means of safety, and make an undue and unwarrantable trial of God, is to tempt God,** You see tempting God is forbidden. So we don't tempt God by submitting to the dangers of the death cult islam. He also said: 1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. which is explained as questioning the motive / spirit of all things. Now in this case we question the spirit or your demented ravings about how people must under all circumstances bow down to islam, the answer then becomes apparent: you are trying your best to denigrate sensible people who reject islam for what it is (a death cult). Because the evil in the qur'an slots in with your hatred of Jews, Americans, Christians, white people, democracy, Britian etc. So by questioning the spirit of your actions we determine you are siding with evil. Then Christians have many verses such as: 1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. Again straight forward stuff, keep away from evil. So what's the next step? Well identify evil (islam and it's allies), don't place yourself in undue and unwarrantable danger from this evil, you must shun it. So to sum up we have ascertained that islam is a death cult (top 24 listed global terrorist organizations), you are siding with it. You then lie with your outlandish claims that people must disobey Christ and tempt God, by submitting to and accepting a known evil. What to do? Simple shun you and islam. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 24th, 2018 at 4:09pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:22am:
What a shame you have failed to read the 9th Commandment, Acqua. It really is. Tsk, tsk. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 24th, 2018 at 4:17pm Grendel wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:56am:
A tiny minority of the total Muslim population, Geoff. Do you believe that "all men are rapists" as well? What? You don't? Yet you appear to believe all Muslims are evil, are Terrorists. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, surely not? Afterall, you've proclaimed yourself, "unbiased" so often. now haven't you? Tsk, tsk. ::) Quote:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 24th, 2018 at 4:20pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 4:17pm:
Why bring in a migrant group who have issues Brian? That minority is doing a hell of a lot of damage around the world. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 24th, 2018 at 4:51pm moses wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Moses, you don't believe this. None of these verses say to shun your fellow Christians and/or Muslims. The next step is not to identify evil (Muslims and their apologists) and call to ban them, kill them, cesterete them. Cleaving to that which is good is about loving them. As our prophet said, physician, heal thyself. Do not point out the mote in another's eye, instead remove the beam from thy own. Be humble, self-efacing, faithful in G_d. This is exactly what our prophet taught. You know thus, you've acknowledged it yourself. The eye for an eye of Judaic law is replaced with the forgiveness and humility of Yeheshua. "I come not to banish the law, but to fulfill it". Work on your own weaknesses, forgive others their faults, love thy neighbour as ye love thyself. You know as well as I do that tbis is the message of Christianity. Every time someone references Jewish law, you distance yourself from it. You see yourself as a Christian. You condemn ancient killing and barbarity. You say that Christisnity is superior to all other religions because of its message of love, forgiveness and tolerance. This, according to your views, is what makes Christianity superior to Islam. This is the truth, not some rhetorical game to win an argument. We're discussing important life teachings, teachings that are critical to your daily assault on the Muselman and his apologists. So I'm curious. Given that you can't identify any New Testament passages that call on you to hate them, ban them, kill them - given you have come up with this yourself, in direct opposition to the teaching of Yeheshua - would you like to say which faith lies in your heart? Is it the Old, or the New? How so? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 24th, 2018 at 5:01pm
Why do your beloved Muslim terrorists like killing little kids Karnal?
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 24th, 2018 at 5:53pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 5:01pm:
Why do you like watching little kids die, Homo? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 24th, 2018 at 5:58pm Karnal wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
Why do you excuse your jihadi heroes targeting little children? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:05pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
Why do you want to ban them, kill them, cesterete them? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:08pm Karnal wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:05pm:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:11pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 4:20pm:
Perhaps the point is, they aren't doing all that much damage in Australia, now are they, Hammer? Appears to me, that the majority are doing a pretty good job, policing the tiny minority, now aren't they? You and it appears, Geoff, want to lump the majority with the minority for some reason. I wonder why? Islamophobia? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:14pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Not much damage???? They've busted a whole bunch of their plans, they've rioted and killed. Plus it's cost our country billions of dollars. Australia didn't have Islamic terrorism 40 years ago. It's one extra problem that won't go away. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:19pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 4:17pm:
Hey bwian your pathetic attempt to turn it back on me FAILED... dismally... Oh and bwian when I want to call all Muslims "evil" or "Terrorists"... I'll do it without your help ok. I haven't done it yet so it's unlikely... do you need me to repeat posts from the past for you when you went off the rails about such crap before? :D :D :D ::) ::) ::) Want me to defend Islamic Art, Architecture? How about pointing out that the West have had many Islamic heroes? Hmmmm? YAWN.... no need to hide it bwian. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:23pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
Tsk, tsk, tsk bwian. just cant help your obsessive little self can you. You need to start posting quotes to back up your libel bwian. As for Jihadi Muslims not doing much damage in Australia bwian, could it be because many have been caught and gaoled before they could do the damage? Why YES IT COULD bwian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Denial is not a good look on you bwian. Nor is the pathetic attempts at making me look bad with your lies. It aint working BTW. ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:25pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:14pm:
Hammer, you are more likely to win Powerball than you are to encounter an Islamist Terrorist in Australia, let alone killed by one. Thus far, the authorities, helped by Muslims have managed to detect and stop the Islamist plans to hurt Australians in Australia. Funny that. Now, imagine how successful the authorities would have been if the Muslim community weren't repelled and hated the Islamists. Funny that, hey? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:25pm Grendel wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:56am:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:27pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:25pm:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:29pm Grendel wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:23pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Why should I need to post quotes, Geoff when you supply enough information in your posts? Tsk, tsk. You hate all Muslims, because they act/dress/speak/believe in things you have declared to be "unAustralian". You are bigoted against them and their views automatically. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:33pm
Hammer...
One of the Muslim Security guards that worked where I did sent threatening faxes to several embassies in Canberra after 9/11... he was arrested. I haven't won Powerball yet though.... :D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:34pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:29pm:
bwian.... in case you haven't noticed. You've failed time and time again to back up your lies about me every single time. Now run along back to your bridge like a good TROLL and stop wasting my time. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) oh and bwian caught out in yet another one... I don't use the word "UnAustralian" ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:41pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:27pm:
Likening people to dogs is not nice, Hammer, however, it is typcal of a bigot to do that, now isn't it Muslims are citizens of Australia and they deserve their rights both as humans and citizens to be respected. I know that is impossible for you, as a bigot to do that. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:46pm Grendel wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
Perhaps you should purchase a ticket? Were you killed or hurt by this "security guard", Geoff? Funny isn't it, that like your "poll" about Multicultiuralism your "Muslim security guard" appears to have disappeared from the web... ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:49pm Grendel wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:34pm:
And you have yet to prove I have "knowingly told an untruth," Geoff. Funny that, hey? You keep accusing me of "lying" and you never present any proof of that charge. Get back to us, OK? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:53pm Grendel wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
Neither have I. I've met some lovely Muslims where I live. I just can't stand the cretins. Our immigration plan needs a overhaul. I hate for our country to become another s h ithole. That idea scares me. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:00pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
No bwian... I doubt he was ever on the Web bwian... oh and bwian I'm sure STORMFRONT would have information on the CA Poll why don't you go have a look for yourself. Not scared of looking are you? I met his family at the local shopping centre actually his wife was lovely and his kids too. Who'd have thought he'd get up to such stupidity eh. Or be that radical. ::) BTW I get Hammer's point re his analogy, takes a demented mind like yours to twist it and dismiss it out of hand. ::) Wassup, didn't suit your argument? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:02pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:49pm:
bwian everything you say about me is a lie.... Islamaphobic Xenophobic Racist the list goes on and on and on bwian... you need to apologise. But hey You know you are a liar. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:04pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 4:17pm:
Idiotic as we have come to expect from you, Bwian. Being Muslim is an ideology. You can subscribe to it OR you can leave it (if you are not in a Muslim country/you dare). Being a man is a biological category. Your stupidity know no bounds. That's why we keep you. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:07pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:49pm:
Nobody can be as lying and dishonest as you without realising it. You know you are a liar, we know you are a liar. You are either demented - do not remember from one day to thee next what you said - or you are a liar. I think you are playing both sides of the street. You just don't remember/lie about it. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:10pm Grendel wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Not my job to do your research for you, Geoff. Your guard would have made it into the news, now wouldn't he? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:12pm Frank wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:07pm:
Soren, like everybody who makes the claim that I, "lie", Geoff, Moses, et al, fail dismally to prove their charge. Funny that, hey? Now, run along. I hear your child minder calling you back to your playground. Tsk, tsk. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Secret Wars on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:18pm
I don't know why you bother, Brian has made his position very clear, he is an apologist and he considers himself unable to criticise Islam.
To him Islam is out of bounds, he will apologise for it, he will mitigate on its behalf, he will distract and divert and defend it. Brian doesn't believe in even handed assessment or analysis, he just flatly declares that he cannot criticise it. Ever. Blokes an apologist clown. Many luvvies are, he just has no shame in admitting it. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:27pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
You'd rather waste them yourself, eh? No worries. You're not a Christian. That's what Moses is. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:31pm Grendel wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
A Muslim security guard, eh? What was his name? Ahmed? Some of your best friends are Muslims, Grendel. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:33pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:53pm:
Tree-loppers, aren't they? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 24th, 2018 at 8:55pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
I don't think he did bwian. But he was sacked immediately by IBM. Unlike you and Klownal I don't tell lies... :D :D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 24th, 2018 at 8:58pm Karnal wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:33pm:
Nope. Clit loppers. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:00pm Grendel wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
Grendel's telling porkies again. Muslims don't work. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:20pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
Show us the last true thing you uttered, Bwian. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:41pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
Nor does Homo. He hangs out with the Paki neighbour's tradies, giving them longnecks and whinging about what's become of his country. Poor bastards can't get away. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 24th, 2018 at 10:37pm Frank wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:20pm:
"I hear your child minder calling you back to your playground." ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 26th, 2018 at 2:08pm Quote:
Why are you compelled to lie all the time? There is only one way forward: shun the evil of islam and call on muslims to be honest about the depravity in the qur'an. That's the answer to all the muslims' problems: address the teachings to rape, torture and slaughter the non believers, don't tell lies saying they mean something else. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 26th, 2018 at 2:49pm Grendel wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 8:55pm:
Now, who ever accused you of that, Geoff? Tsk, tsk, how rude of them. We all know you never tell lies, 'cause you always tell us you never tell lies... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 26th, 2018 at 2:52pm moses wrote on Jul 26th, 2018 at 2:08pm:
When are you going to do the same for Christians, Moses? Mmmmm? So much evil in that ol' Bible... ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 26th, 2018 at 3:14pm moses wrote on Jul 26th, 2018 at 2:08pm:
Did your prophet tell you this, Moses? A simple yes or no will suffice. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 26th, 2018 at 3:19pm
Oh dear more smokescreens to support islamic terorism.
Just can't get over the fact that islamic terrorism is a muslim problem. muslims committing atrocities around the globe every day of the year, has got absolutely nothing to do with Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, paganism etc.. The problems the world faces right now is millions of muslims obeying the qur'an and in so doing being a huge burden on everybody else. They must purge the satanic iniquity in the qur'an. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 26th, 2018 at 3:33pm
Where have I ever denied that Islamist Terrorism is anything other than predominantly a Muslim problem, Moses? Mmmm? Appears like you are painting (as usual) with a very broad brush. How, unusual, hey?
How about we look at the root causes of Islamist Terrorism for a change, instead of simply attacking one another all the time? What created Islamism in the first place? According to the Wikipedia entry on Islamism: Quote:
There were precursors who existed even earlier but these two are considered the modern originators of the term, "Islamism". Today, "Islamism" has come directly associated with "Terrorism" in the West because of the media's association of the two terms. You however appear to associate, "Islamism" with "Islam" and "Muslims" in general for some reason. Perhaps because of your Islamophobia? Anyway, essentially Islamism is the political expression of extremist Islam. It seeks a return to what it perceives as "pure Islam", untainted by modern beliefs or concepts, as Mohammed was supposed to teach his views. Rather like many Christians belong to organisations like Opus Dei or are extremist in their views of their religious beliefs. Now, Islamism was created in reaction to Muslim's interaction with external ideas, concepts, beliefs, usually sourced from Western Nations. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 26th, 2018 at 3:38pm moses wrote on Jul 26th, 2018 at 3:19pm:
We're discussing Christianity here, Moses. Did your prophet tell you to obsess over hating, banning and killing Muslims, or did you get this directive from another god? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 27th, 2018 at 5:31pm
B.R. wrote: Reply #238 - Yesterday at 3:33pm
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Indeed I do, islam and the qur'an are the root cause and motivation for islamic depravity. muslims who wallow in human rights atrocities quote the doctrine of islam as the sole cause and motivation for their degeneracy. There isn't a muslim alive who doesn't revere the degenerate qur'an as perfect and unchangeable, therefore if they support the cause of islamic terrorism, they support the terrorism engendered. it's as unproblematic as that, all that's required is for muslims and their apologists to be honest about the heinous doctrine of islam. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 27th, 2018 at 5:34pm
The other apologist wrote: Reply #239 - Yesterday at 3:38pm
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Not quiet right. You're raving on about Christianity, as a ploy to try and hide the depravity in islam. You see you prefer the daily human slaughter carried out by muslims as they obey the qur'an, over merely being honest about the pure evil in the teachings of muhammad. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 27th, 2018 at 6:04pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2018 at 3:33pm:
In the first place and the last place, Muslims, in particular Mohammed and then all who follow him. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 27th, 2018 at 6:10pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2018 at 3:33pm:
You are saying that Muslims are unable to cope with challenging ideas and concepts without resorting to mindless violence and a nervous breakdown. You are saying that we cannot expect Muslims to COPE with ideas and concepts that challenge their own, let alone respond and engage with them, because their only response to any such new ideas is to go apesh!t and kill. Good one, Bwian. Keep talking, you are putting your finger on it, despite yourself. Out of the mouths of babes and idiotic Islamophiles likee you comes the truths..... yeah? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 27th, 2018 at 6:13pm moses wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 5:31pm:
What about the Muslims who are the victims of Islamism? Doesn't their opinion count in your book, Moses? Mmmm? ::) Quote:
Rather like Christians revere the Bible, hey, Moses? Even with it's instructions to kill unbelievers and to rape sex slaves? Tsk, tsk. Rather nasty words... ::) Quote:
When you are honest about what is in the Bible, then Christians might have a chance to throw off their superstitious beliefs, Moses. Tsk, tsk, ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 27th, 2018 at 6:16pm Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 6:04pm:
All of them, Soren? Really? That would explain why the main victims of Islamists are their fellow Muslims, now would it? Tsk, tsk, reality once again trips you up, hey? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 27th, 2018 at 6:21pm Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 6:10pm:
Some Muslims, without a doubt, Soren. The majority appear to cope quite well. Quote:
Nope. Try again, Soren. ::) Quote:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 27th, 2018 at 6:21pm moses wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 5:34pm:
Not at all, old chap. We're exploring the reason you say Christianity is so superior to Islam. As you yourself say, that reason is love, forgiveness and non-judgement. Moses states that he's a Christian. This means he follows and upholds the teachings of the New Testament, and in particular, the gospels of our prophet Yeheshua. Now, we've asked Moses to show where his prophet changed His mind about loving thine enemy and not judging others (as ye shurely shall be judged). Moses has declined to answer. So let's ask you instead, dear chap. Can you show where prophet Yeheshua said anything that would remotely resemble a hate campaign against the Muselman and his apologists? You'll need to provide quotes. Moses is too busy chasing Brian around. You? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Jul 27th, 2018 at 6:40pm moses wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 5:34pm:
A ploy? But Moses, this is a thread about the right to life espoused by Christians. "Says it all" refers to the right to life of the foetus over and above the rights of fleeing boat children. It does so visually, through the ironic juxtaposition of two images: a white foetus and a boatload of tinted children. You response? moses wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 2:40pm:
Somehow, in the faces of children, you see Islam, and throughout this thread you have continued to deny any Muslim child the right to refuge. Your response, encapsulated in your reply above, is that as Muslims, they deserve to die. You have made similarly veiled threats towards those who disagree with such a stance, the apologists. So I'm curious. Can you show how your prophet's parables such as the good Samaritan and the tax collector support your view? Can you explain the fate your prophet predicted for those who hold such views? Cheers. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Jul 28th, 2018 at 11:11am
Children are the future...
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 28th, 2018 at 4:03pm
Brian Ross wrote: Reply #244 - Yesterday at 6:13pm
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That's the imbecility of islam for you. Both sides believe the qur'an to be unchangeable and infallible. One side take it to mean what it actually says, so they go out to rape torture and kill people in the name of allah. The opposing side snivel around trying to say that it doesn't mean what it says, they try and put a false spin on islam, so the fundamentalists kill them as hypocrites, just as the qur'an tells them to. If only the millions of innocent people who have been murdered by muslims over the last 1400 odd years could see muslims now, they would laugh their guts out. You're part and parcel of this ongoing muslim slaughter, as you lie snivel and sneak around always trying to excuse the root cause of islamic terrorism, the qur'an. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 28th, 2018 at 4:13pm
lying scum wrote: Reply #248 - Yesterday at 6:40pm
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Once again you have lied. I wrote and I meant precisely what I said: Quote:
1/. 1400 years of islam have led to muslims fleeing muslims 2/. islam is the problem. 3/. when are muslims and their apologists going to be truthful about the evil in islam? 4/. Why do muslims and apologists prefer this tragedy over being honest about the evil in islam. You're a sick piece of lying scum, how low are you, that you continually lie in order to excuse the root cause of all islamic atrocities, the qur'an. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 28th, 2018 at 4:29pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
Yes, all of them. 100% of islamists are followers of Mahomet. That they also kill other Mohamedans doesnt negate the fact that they are all mohamedans. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 28th, 2018 at 5:09pm Karnal wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 6:40pm:
Why don't muslims seek asylum in muslim countries. Why dont muslim countries resettle them permanently? Why cant the Palestinians be resettled after 70 years in muslim countries? Why cant muslims resettle syrians, iraqis, afghans, iranians? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 28th, 2018 at 6:28pm Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
There are obviously different kinds of Muslims - Islamists and non-Islamists - something your attempt at obfuscation fails to hide sufficiently well enough, Soren. Tsk, tsk, keep trying, it is so amusing reading your attempts at justifying your Islamophobia. It really is. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 28th, 2018 at 6:33pm moses wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 5:31pm:
What a shame you do not demand the same level of honesty from your fellow Christians, Moses. If Christians admitted the hatred and horror in their holy work, The Bible, the word would have been saved from so many massacres, so much terror and so much hatred and horror. We wouldn't have had the Thirty Years War, the Wars of Religion, the Genocide of the Gnostics, the Hutus, the Tutsis, the Bosnians, the Croats, the Serbs, the Jews, the Indigenous Australians. American slavery would not have occurred. So much can be laid at the feet of The Bible and it's teachings. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 28th, 2018 at 8:24pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 6:28pm:
Being a muslim is being FOR Islam = Islamist. You are either a muslim, for Islam, or you are apostate, leaving Islam, and then the FOR Islamists will threaten to kill you or actually kill you. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 28th, 2018 at 8:28pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
So christians kill for religions but Muslims don't?? Why are you such a determined, dogged liar, Bwian? Why make every excuse for muslims which, when applied to christians, you invariably turn into condemnanytion. What a divershiitt-head you are. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 29th, 2018 at 1:21pm Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
Islamism is generally considered to be the extremist end of Islam. It believes in fundamentalist Islam, as defined as being what Mohammad preached and practiced when he was alive, Soren. Normal moderate Islam is somewhat more modernised for most Muslims and is becoming more modernised everyday. It is moderate in it's attitudes and beliefs. That you appear to have acknowledged that is sufficient. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Jul 29th, 2018 at 1:24pm Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 8:28pm:
Where did I state that, Soren? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Another strawman argument shot down before it even flew. Tsk, tsk, ::) Quote:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Jul 29th, 2018 at 3:47pm
Reply #258 - Today at 1:21pm
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Meanwhile the facts are: All muslims revere muhammad as the best example for mankind. There is not one single muslim who will dispute this fact. 33.21:Indeed in the messenger of allah (muhammad ) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the meeting with) allah and the last day and remembers allah much. islam is precisely in the position it is now, because they all worship a thief liar pedophile rapist torturer and mass murderer, as the best example they can follow. The good muslims are the ones who carry out the rape torture and slaughter as muhammad commanded, the ones who lie to us and say islam means something different are dishonest hypocrites, they are to be tortured and killed according to muhammad. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 29th, 2018 at 10:09pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 6:28pm:
They all submit to Mahomet. All. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Jul 29th, 2018 at 10:10pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 6:28pm:
Tbey all submit to Mahomet. All. ALL. GEDDIT? ALL. That's what Islam IS. Submission to Mahomet. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 1st, 2018 at 12:18am moses wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 4:13pm:
1/. 1400 years of islam have led to muslims fleeing muslims 2/. islam is the problem. 3/. when are muslims and their apologists going to be truthful about the evil in islam? 4/. Why do muslims and apologists prefer this tragedy over being honest about the evil in islam. You're a sick piece of lying scum, how low are you, that you continually lie in order to excuse the root cause of all islamic atrocities, the qur'an. [/quote] Lying scum? This is getting interesting. Am I lying about the words of your prophet, or your own views as a self-professed follower, a fisher of men? I'm curious. As an apologist, one would never call another lying scum. One would first seek to understand. Can you show where your prophet told you to use phrases such as these, or do you want me to show you His advice on your choice of words? You are yet to show where He said to hate, ban and kill the Muselman and his apologist. Who instructed you to use hate? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 1st, 2018 at 12:28am Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 5:09pm:
We don't call the old boy lying scum, Moses, we just calmly refer him to all the threads where we've shown him Lebanon, Turkey, Pakistan and even poor old Saudi Arabia housing the bulk of the world's refugees. More than anybody else. He's read them too. He's even commented, then strangely disappeared. But lying? Never. The old boy's just learning. He comes from an NESB background, you see. He's assimilating You? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 1st, 2018 at 2:20pm Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2018 at 10:09pm:
All Christians submit to Christ, Soren. Why is that we never hear any condemnation of that from you or Moses? Mmmm? Oh, that's right because your Christian bigots. Funny that, hey? ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 1st, 2018 at 2:21pm Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Christianity == submission to Christ. Funny that, hey? Not a word of criticism from you or Moses. Tsk, tsk, what else should we expect from Christian bigots? ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Secret Wars on Aug 1st, 2018 at 2:40pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 2:20pm:
Hahaha, I think in future Brian, you should reflect on this when you are playing pretend academic and sniffly commenting on other people's grammar. ;) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Aussie on Aug 1st, 2018 at 2:42pm
"other peoples' grammar."
;) No more 'sniffly' comments form you either, then. 8-) Although I do concede, the point is mooted on the www. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Secret Wars on Aug 1st, 2018 at 2:48pm Aussie wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 2:42pm:
"form" ;D ;D I direct it at Brian to throw stones into his glasshouse. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Aussie on Aug 1st, 2018 at 2:56pm
That one is a typical typo many make especially if one types with two fingers as I do.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 1st, 2018 at 3:01pm Secret Wars wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 2:40pm:
Yawn |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Secret Wars on Aug 1st, 2018 at 3:17pm Aussie wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 2:56pm:
Agree, anyhoo, I don't see you as one of those pompous poseurs like Brian, who if they can identify an error start tsk tsking about intelligence and education. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 1st, 2018 at 3:50pm
Moses, do you share Secret's focus on spelling to evade the topic of what Christians themselves believe?
I'm curious. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 1st, 2018 at 3:54pm Secret Wars wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 3:17pm:
Moses, do you share Secret's focus on Brian in order to avoid the subject of what prophet Yeheshua said? A penny for your tboughts. Thoughts? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 6:54am Karnal wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 3:50pm:
that question cant be answered. what do you mean by "christian" and what do you mean by "believe". the chance that any two people would construe these 2 abstractions in the same way is "zero" |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 1:47pm
The Christian doctrine is outlined in the Nicean Creed, Aquascoot. There are very fixed rules about what defines Christianity.
Mormonism and Jehova Witnessing, for example, is out. But no worries. We'll stick to what Moses believes. Moses? You've gone rather quiet, dear. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 2:46pm
Nothing complicated about Christianity and the Word of Christ.
You either fit the criteria set by Christ or you don't. (no other man made rules / commands override His Word) I know of nothing in the teachings of Christ which urge men to commit atrocities. I can quote page after page of the preachings of muhammad which praise urge and motivate muslims to commit human rights atrocities. Right now muslims are globally the top 24 listed terrorists organizations, muslims are killing muslims and non believers on a daily basis, millions of muslims are homeless and fleeing other muslims around the globe, they are demanding that non believers fed and shelter them as they run from their fellow muslims, muslim crime is skyrocketing in lands where these people have been taken in, muslim kids in mortal danger because of this muslim on muslim violence, the list is endless. Why are muslims such lowlifes and causing this global crisis? There is only one answer: The evil in the qur'an causes and motivates it. It is sickening that muslims and their apologists prefer this state of affairs over simply telling the truth about the depravity in the qur'an. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 4:11pm
Yes, Moses, but do you know of any teachings of Christ that urge you to judge them, hate them, ban them, kill them?
You still haven't said. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by gandalf on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 4:58pm moses wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 2:46pm:
:-? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 6:44am moses wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 2:46pm:
the marxists have a weird relationship with islam. the marxists are 'ideologically possessed" by some very bad ideas. they are possessed by deceit, resentment and arrogance. its a toxic trifecta. the christian story (and it may only be a mythological story) isthat to be like christ you are to accept suffering and betrayal without complaint, you are to bear your cross with nobility when you fall, you are to get up again and keep going up that hill without resentment and you are to die a horrible painful death , alone, whilst remaining at peace and not crying out. thats tough. most christians arent capable of that level of personal responsibility. they turn away from that like the animal turns away from the fire. and they then have to find an ideology which absolves them of taking personal responsibility for the sorry state of their lives. so with the death of religion (as prophesised by nietchze) "god is dead" we see the emergence of marxism . marxism says that the state is oppressing you and that successful people are oppressing you. it thus removes the idea of "individual responsibility". go down that road where you wont take responsibility for your life and you get the welfare state and socialism. but the premise has to be that their is a patriachy, a hierachy that is responsible for the oppression. and in the west, that oppression can easily be sheeted home to the christian western democracy. so if your whole belief system is based on the oppressive western christian system "holding you down and holding you back", then ANY other belief system that attacks the west is your ally. its hard for the left to admit this but that would appear to be the core problem. the left hate the successful western democracy (with its christain sub structure). islam is in a similar frame of mind. hence the alliance, (which probably exists at a subconsciuous level and is part of the lefts shadow). they wont examine their dark motivations. as Jung said, the problem with examining your dark side is that it stretches all the way to hell. hence the virtue signalling to cover up for that dark side and suppress it (whilst never integrating it and mastering it) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 1:09pm
Does that sound right, Moses? Are Christians asked to accept suffering without complaint? Get up and keep going without resentment?
And do the ones who don't bother instead find an ideology to absolve their responsibility? Thanks, Aquascoot. It would be great to hear from a follower of Yeheshua on this. Moses is a fisher of men. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by goldkam on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 1:15pm aquascoot wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 6:44am:
Can I just confirm you are talking about Marxism, derived from Karl Marx the German. Marxism has been dead for years, there is very few individuals who still support and actively preach it in the grand scheme of things. I am unsure how you draw such a correlation. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 2:56pm
proven lying scum wrote: Reply #281 - Today at 1:09pm
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Oh gee the old three word trick surfaces again. why not add the bits about staying away from evil, not putting yourself at unwarranted risk etc. etc.? Oh that's right it wouldn't fit in with your desire to hide the fact that islam is evil, it causes and motivates bloodshed death and destruction on a global scale today 2018. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 6:30pm moses wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 2:56pm:
It's not my desire, Moses, it's the desire of your prophet, your religion. It's what your self-professed belief system is all about. Do you think three-word aphorisms like love thy neighbour, love thy enemy, etc, don't mean what they say? I'll ask again: why or why not? Cheers. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 6:55pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 2:20pm:
Which teachings of Christ do you repudiate, Bwian? Peace, love, humility, service, self-sacrifice, forgiving? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 8:45pm
Now now, Frank, That's Moses, not Brian.
It doesn't mean what it says, see. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 8:51pm Frank wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 6:55pm:
Don't ask me, Soren. Ask Moses. He is like you, preaching hatred and wishes to oppress Muslims. Tsk, tsk. How long do you think before he starts to espouse the same ideas towards Jews/Hindus/Buddhists? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 9:30pm Karnal wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 8:45pm:
Bugger orf, Paki kibitzer. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 9:35pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 8:51pm:
I DO ask you because you, idiotically, imply that there i equivalence between Islam's submission to the 'final prophet' and Christianity. You are an idiot on that point and pretty much every other, but I am ca;ling you out on this particular point. Don't slime off, address the point, you dork. Of course you can't so you will continue to slime. Which teachings of Christ's do you find objectionable and want to repudiate, you ass? Speak, ass. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 10:42pm Frank wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 9:35pm:
Yawn Both Christianity and Islam require believers to believe without proof, Soren. Both require submission of the individual to a religion belief, based not upon rationality but irrational belief. Call me out, all you like, religion is the problem. Doesn't matter what brand it is, it is all an opiate of the masses as far as I am concerned. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 11:01pm Frank wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Out of curiousity, dear boy, do you think the Bible means what it says? I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think. Moses is playing the old taqiyya ruse and not saying. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 11:07pm Frank wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 9:35pm:
Muslims believe in the second coming of Christ, dear boy. Moh prophesied it. I'd say that's a bit of an equivalence, wouldn't you? Unless - oh, of course, Moh didn't mean what he said either. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 4th, 2018 at 2:57pm
lying scum wrote: Reply #284 - Yesterday at 6:30pm
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Still afraid to quote other teachings which promote cautiousness of your actions, reject evil, don't tempt fate etc.? Why is that? Well we all know the answer to that one don't we? Your self imposed duty is to excuse and exonerate islamic atrocities committed in the name of allah. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 4th, 2018 at 3:01pm Quote:
Except men who commit evil are disobeying the teachings of Christ. Conversely. muslims who commit the foulest of human rights atrocities, are obeying the teachings of muhammad. Therein lies the difference which has leftard apologists for islam on the backfoot. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 4th, 2018 at 3:18pm moses wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 3:01pm:
Yet they are still accepted as Christians by their church(es) and by their fellow Christians, right, Moses? When did the last serious ex-communication occur again? ::) Quote:
Just like Christians are, right, Moses? Tsk, tsk, there seems to be fewer differences, the deeper we dig. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 4th, 2018 at 3:24pm
men who commit evil are disobeying the teachings of Christ.
Conversely. muslims who commit the foulest of human rights atrocities, are obeying the teachings of muhammad. Therein lies the difference which has leftard apologists for islam on the backfoot. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 4th, 2018 at 3:30pm moses wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
And yet, they are still accepted as Christians by their fellow Christians and their Church(es)... Funny that. Appears to me that the Christians don't get judged at all. Afterall, there is no evidence of them being made to atone for their sins before they die and bugger all evidence of it occurred after they die. Tsk, tsk, the religion that doesn't punish transgressors. The religion that encourages atrocities and gives every believer a "Get out of Gaol" Card. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 4th, 2018 at 3:44pm
You're still running away from one simple truth.
Men who commit evil are disobeying Christ. muslims who commit the foulest of atrocities are 100% obeying muhammad. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 4th, 2018 at 4:03pm moses wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 3:44pm:
Funny how all the Christians ignore that, hey, Moses? Tsk, tsk, you hug your, "Get out Gaol" card as hard as you can... ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 4th, 2018 at 4:30pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 10:42pm:
The religion of love thy neighbour and the religion of jihad until final, total victory and submissionare the same in your mind? They are the same problem? That why you are a laughing stock, Bwian, you cant think and discern, only sweep everything, mindlessy, together. Or rather, you defend the jihadis and dismiss the Christians after you say they are indistinguishable. Stupid and mad. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 4th, 2018 at 4:31pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
How do they ignore it? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 4th, 2018 at 4:31pm
Reply #299 - Today at 4:03pm
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All the Christians? The very reason Christianity had a reformation and consequently the rise of Protestantism was because men realized that the church was not obeying the Word of Christ. So a split occured, there are still men (on both sides of the religious fence) who are not obeying Christ, we all know that. However Christ predicted such things would occur. He unequivocally stated that He rejected them. So all your hysteria and lies will never negate the simple fact: Men who commit atrocities are disobeying Christ. conversely muslims who commit atrocities are 100% obeying muhammad. You just haven't got the moral fibre to own this simple truth. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 4th, 2018 at 7:03pm moses wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Well, I'm hardly a theologian, dear, but a lay-reading would have one believe rejecting evil and not tempting fate means not committing sin. I.e, it means what it says. If you read this alongside the practice of forgiveness and loving thine enemy, it means steering clear of exclusion, hatred, violence, etc. Yeheshua modelled this teaching Himself. He hung around prostitutes and tax collectors, the lowest of the low. His teaching was all about humility, loving everyone, especially those who do you wrong. You know all this. Yeheshua broke with the eye-for-an-eye dogma within His culture. "I come not to overturn the law, but to fulfil it". I think we do all know the answer to that one, Moses. Deep in our hearts lies the love of G_d, the love of all His creation. Rejecting evil means to eradicate the hatred in your own heart - the evil you've been expressing here. Have you thought of discussing this issue with your pastor? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 4th, 2018 at 7:53pm moses wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
Ah yes, but men who sow the seeds of hate are disobeying Christ too, dear. You know that. You're just trying to excuse it. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 5th, 2018 at 1:54pm Karnal wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 7:03pm:
None of this means you must submit to your persecutors and those who want to conquer and oppress you, your family, your loved ones and your people, of course. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 5th, 2018 at 3:49pm
Of course. Are you or your relatives being held at siege, old boy? Which awful repressive forces are currently oppressing you and Moses so?
I do feel for you, you know. How oppressive. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 5th, 2018 at 5:37pm
lying scum wrote:Reply #303 - Yesterday at 7:03pm
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Everyone would know that. You're a provider of lies and excuses meant to support islamic terrorism. Quote:
islam to a tee. Hence your need to stoop to all things dishonourable in order to defend islamic atrocities. & Reply #306 - Today at 3:49pm Quote:
Thankfully the efforts of those who oppose such things are still in the box seat (so to speak). However the need to remain ever vigilant still exists, as we have the likes of you in our society trying to destroy us from within. So the world goes on. (much to your distress). |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 5th, 2018 at 5:41pm Karnal wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 3:49pm:
Christians are persecuted the most around the world, primarity by muslims and commies. Muslims, by the way, are also persecuted primarily by muslims and commies. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Unforgiven on Aug 5th, 2018 at 5:44pm Frank wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
The US military is managed by Muslims and commies? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 5th, 2018 at 6:12pm
Unforgiven, the lovechild of gandalf and karnal.
The severe effects of consanguinity are showing. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 5th, 2018 at 9:10pm Frank wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
No no, address your point. Who is actually oppressing you? You said it, dear. We'll need a name. I'd like to give them a jolly good talking to. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 5th, 2018 at 9:15pm moses wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 5:37pm:
islam to a tee. Hence your need to stoop to all things dishonourable in order to defend islamic atrocities. & Reply #306 - Today at 3:49pm Quote:
Thankfully the efforts of those who oppose such things are still in the box seat (so to speak). However the need to remain ever vigilant still exists, as we have the likes of you in our society trying to destroy us from within. So the world goes on. (much to your distress).[/quote] Refusing to answer the question, are we? No worries. We have a Muselman and his apologists here, Moses. Now I know that if I ask them anything, they'll say. You? Wavering, twitching, squirming, yeah-but-no-but arse-covering. Here's one for you, old boy. A snack. A bare bottom in the showers. Take him. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 5th, 2018 at 10:28pm Karnal wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 9:10pm:
It has never been about me, Paki , until you diverted it as a dishonest attemp to, well, a personal discussion. How does the slagging off of Muslims affect you personally, shitehead? Are you a muslim? Is your boyfriend? How does any criticism of Islam affect you personally? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 6th, 2018 at 12:02am
Right, so you have nothing to personally blame the Muselman for, right? Your hymen is intact.
How about yours, Moses? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 6th, 2018 at 12:20am moses wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 6:27pm:
Christ taught Christians to LOVE their enemies whereas Muhammad taught his followers to KILL their enemies. This is a well known fact. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 6th, 2018 at 12:21am Agnes wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 1:06pm:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by DonDeeHippy on Aug 6th, 2018 at 6:30am Frank wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
and Hindu's and Buddhists.........Ohh and Christians, I can think of countries right now that r doing that....... So is it the oppression a country imposes apon a minority u hate , or just Muslim's ? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by DonDeeHippy on Aug 6th, 2018 at 6:33am Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 12:20am:
Jesus is god, god told the Jews to slaughter men women children of opposing nations , even punished them if they didn't. Or isn't Jesus God ? ;) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 6th, 2018 at 3:43pm Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
Errr, Soren, by not expelling the naughty Christians - you know, the ones who commit atrocities - from amongst their membership, from their Church(es) and from their society? Afterall, they were accepted and are still accepted as "Christian" by their fellow Christians. Tsk, tsk, fancy them believing them when they say they are Christians, despite them disobeying - according to Moses - the teachings of Christ. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 6th, 2018 at 4:05pm Quote:
So once again we see that old forked tongue is on again with his deliberate lies. As far as I know in our society, people who commit crimes are bought to justice by the rest of the community. We have police forces, courts of law etc., all there to deal with the criminals in our society. Oh well Isuppose they have to lie in order to support islamic terror. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 6th, 2018 at 4:22pm moses wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 4:05pm:
Care to explain why I cannot find a single occurrence then, Moses of a single "Christian" being expelled from the religion of Christians for committing a crime? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 6th, 2018 at 4:35pm
My thoughts on the matter are that the offenders are bought to justice by our community, they are given appropriate punishment, then after fulfilling all that is required of them they are released back into the community.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 6th, 2018 at 5:00pm moses wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 4:35pm:
And so, they still remain Christians, hey, Moses? Tsk, tsk, rather demolishes all your claims to the contrary, now doesn't it? Christians accepting atrocity committers as being well, "Christians". ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 6th, 2018 at 5:16pm
Oh I see according to you if someone is repentant and has paid their debt to society, they should not be given the chance of rehabilitation?
Well I'm afraid you'll have to take that up with our governments etc., because that's how society works. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 6th, 2018 at 5:22pm moses wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
Yes, but not with the Muselman, Moses. They worship a sinister moon god. They squat down to pee. They practice taqiyya. You? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 6th, 2018 at 7:16pm moses wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
What occurs to them between their conviction and their having "paid their debt to society", Moses? Is no crime too horrendous for them to ever be forgiven for? How about Genocide? Massacre? Murder? Rape? Kiddie-fiddling? What about if they do not seek repentance? Mmmm? Christianity is a wonderful religion. It allows the committing of the most horrendous crime by it's adherents and does absolutely nothing to punish them. You're in safe hands, right, Moses? Tsk, tsk. ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:24pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 3:43pm:
By what reckoning should they do what you seem to demand or imply as an expectation? What code is your grounding, Bwian? Does what you demand happen in Islam? Why not? What orifice are you talking out of? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:27pm DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 6:33am:
As Christians we follow the teachings of Christ as espoused in the New Testament of the Holy Scriptures. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:28pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
Permits?? Does nothing?? Are you a victim of sexual assaults by christian clergy? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Bobby on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:28pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
Hi Lisa, how's it going? You have been missed. cheers Bobby |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:31pm Frank wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
You mean Catholic clergy? There’s nothing at all Christian about Catholicism! |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:33pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
Hello there!!!! I have been just wayyyyyy too busy. Got quite a lot happening here atm. And yes I’ve missed a few people....including YOU :P |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Bobby on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:35pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:33pm:
ohh Lisa - how sweet - I missed you too. :'( :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:35pm
G'Day, Lisa. Long time, no read. Is everything good with you, Missus?
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:38pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:31pm:
No worries, dear. Anglicans? Lutherans? Mormons? Salvos? Which? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:46pm Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:35pm:
Not really. But that’s life hey lol |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:49pm Karnal wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
Just remember this : Catholics, cults and sects do not come under Christianity. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by DonDeeHippy on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:55pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:49pm:
who made u god to determine that ? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:55pm Karnal wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
Yeah - which ones turned you into the raging sexual pervert we see before us? Or are you an entirely self-taught, autodidact trouser sniffer? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by DonDeeHippy on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:58pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
so all the new testament is to be ignored, and god before be became Jesus was wrong ? ;) So really its only a duality the son and the holy ghost ? :D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 6th, 2018 at 10:15pm DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
1. Nobody made me God. However Jesus made me a Christian 8-) 2. The Holy Bible reveals a lot of information about fake churches/doctrines and how destructive these are. If you buy yourself a Bible and start by reading the New Testament (onwards) ...you will see that what I’m saying is correct. Also .... if you’ve had the privilege of studying Church History at Sydney University like I did you too might have been surprised to find that the atheist senior lecturers and professors there have no problem in defining the essence of Catholicism and sects and cults as being non Christian. In fact Catholicism is based and has developed from paganism. That’s its history. And you can’t change history unfortunately. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 6th, 2018 at 10:16pm DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
1. No. 2. No. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 6th, 2018 at 10:20pm
Ok I gotta ask.....who’s Dondeehippy?
He’s definitely a multi. Unfortunately I find multi’s very boring ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 6th, 2018 at 10:24pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:31pm:
I think the Catholics might dispute that, Lisa. I love how Christians love to find exceptions to who can call themselves "Christian" in their view... ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 6th, 2018 at 10:28pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:49pm:
I think the Catholics would dispute that, Lisa. As they proclaim themselves as being the, "true and apostolic church" which draws it's lineage from St.Peter, "the rock" upon which Christ created the Church that followed after him. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Bobby on Aug 6th, 2018 at 10:29pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 10:20pm:
I think it's Monk. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 6th, 2018 at 10:46pm Frank wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Self-taught, dear. You? The Muselman made you do it, eh? Oh, you poor thing. How offensive. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 6th, 2018 at 10:59pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 10:29pm:
Ah. Might just ignore IT then. 👍 |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 6th, 2018 at 11:01pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 10:15pm:
Brian Ross.....could you please read my post above before posting to me again? Thank you 👍 |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Aug 7th, 2018 at 6:31am
yes, good post lisa.
the figure of christ is a figure worthy of examination, irrespective of the the idea of "god". Jung believed that the figure of christ was an archetypal hero , created from the mythology of mesopotamia, egypt and greece . the hero mythology or the idea of the "PERFECT MAN" was the distillation of the stories of ancient mythology about what it meant to live in accordance with "the logos". and the logos represents bringing yourself into alignment with "true speech". the figure of christ is a limit case. the story of a man who did nothing wrong, was betrayed by everyone, punished and suffered horribly but kept getting up , without bitterness or resentment, and walking on with concern for those around him (the robbers crucified next to him). you cant push that story any further. and the mythological message was that you should aspire to "be like that to the extent that you can". jung believed and so did nietchze, that this belief, far from being a belief in god as some antidote to "death anxiety" was the heroic story that allowed men to move forward without fear and complaint and that this beleif led to the renaissance, the enlightenment and eventually to science. jung believed (and he is right i think) that there are 2 types of truths....scientific truths (descriptions of things) and religious truths ( descriptions of how to act). and jung believed that the archetypes were deeply deeply entrenched in our DNA. they were part of our evolutionary biology. a mother will lay down her life for her child...thats part of her dna, part of her archetypal pre suppositions. these archtypes are always available to us. and if we lose contact with them, we become nihilistic , resentful and lost. thsi appears to be what has happened to the west. because the substructure of the west IS the archtypes and when you throw those out, the west cannot survive , mid air, without a foundation. people become bitter, resenful and they become incapable of suffering with nobility. life is pretty tragic. if you dont set a transcendental goal, you are screwed. the archtypes (and jesus was the prime example) did that for us. with those gone, the west will die |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:00am
In terms of the 'scales of justice' being balanced. If a convicted criminal who takes steps to be rehabilitated is released early, should it be that a convicted criminal who demonstrates no remorse should be kept past the term of their sentence? This is something they're looking at for violent offenders in America.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 7th, 2018 at 11:53am Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 11:01pm:
I have done so. It does not address my points. The Catholic Church maintains that it is a Christian Church because it worships Jesus Christ - exactly the same as all the other denominations do. Now, your Atheist lecturers/tutors may have desired to define what constitutes a "Christian Church" as being something that is not the Catholic denomination. I would suggest that they are ignoring the history of the Church and all other churches which stem from it (all Christian Churches except the Copts and other far Eastern Nestorian denominations are derived from the Catholic Church ultimately). If the Catholics aren't Christian, where does that leave the Eastern Orthodoxies, the Protestants? Declaring the Catholic Church a "non-Christian Church" also ignores the beliefs of all the Catholics, don't you think? There are approximately 1.2 billion of them, BTW. Or doesn't their opinion matter in this discussion? ::) BTW, why do you suggest that we ignore the first half of The Bible? Is the Old Testament of no value in Christianity's teachings? Mmm? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 7th, 2018 at 11:59am Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:00am:
Why bother with sentencing then? You may as well put them in gaol and throw away the keys. ::) Sentencing offers hope to a prisoner, once they have been found guilty of the charges they are arraigned upon. They know their time in prison will end and they will go free. Now, if you don't offer a chance at rehabilitation, you won't get reformed prisoners. You will end up with enbittered individuals. The US system is designed - as are most prison systems - to create recidivists, not reformed prisoners. What has always annoyed me in particular about the US system is how certain "rights" are taken away from prisoners, even after they have served their time. They cannot legally own a gun, they cannot gain employment with the Government, etc. What is the point of serving time then? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 7th, 2018 at 2:47pm
Reply #326 - Yesterday at 7:16pm
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Just can't help lying can you. I reiterate: As far as I know in our society, people who commit crimes are bought to justice by the rest of the community. We have police forces, courts of law etc., all there to deal with the criminals in our society. The Christians are no different to the rest of society. They do not allow or promote wrongdoing, however if it does happen, they like the rest of our society, hope the offenders are bought to justice and pay their debt to society. As for the people who commit the most horrendous crimes and are beyond any sort of remorse and rehabilitation, one would hope they are incarcerated whilever they have this attitude. & Reply #352 - Today at 11:53am Quote:
The beliefs of men? There is one definitive authority on who is a true follower of Christ. That is Christ Himself: Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. So there it is for the thousandth time Christ rejects workers of iniquity. You see no matter how many lies you tell, you'll always be beaten by the doctrine of Christianity as espoused by Christ. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 7th, 2018 at 3:15pm moses wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
Where have I "lied", Moses? Am I unable to ask questions of you? Are you the Pope and therefore infallible? Mmmm? ::) Quote:
Yet, they have acted, have they not, against the direct teachings of their Church, Moses? Why does the Church ignore these crimes and still accept these perpetrators as being amongst their members? Mmmm? Apppears to me you believe the Church is not responsible for the Moral Welfare of it's believers. Why? Quote:
The beliefs of men? There is one definitive authority on who is a true follower of Christ. That is Christ Himself: Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. So there it is for the thousandth time Christ rejects workers of iniquity. You see no matter how many lies you tell, you'll always be beaten by the doctrine of Christianity as espoused by Christ. [/quote] Still does not answer the point. The Catholic Church teaches that it is the "one true and Apostolic Church". 1.2 Billion Catholics and numerous non-Catholics accept that. Why is their opinion of no value to you, Moses? What have they done, which is so different to yourself, except believe in Christ as their lord and savior? Mmmm? It appears to me that you like to compartmentalise yourself off, in one corner, as the one and only true believer despite it appears from Karnal's questioning and my own questioning that you really don't understand Christ's central messages. Tsk, tsk. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 7th, 2018 at 3:42pm Quote:
Ask questions? Just one more lie on your part, you didn't question you stated as a fact: It allows the committing of the most horrendous crime by it's adherents and does absolutely nothing to punish them. In other words you deliberately lied once again on a debate site. (says a lot about you) Quote:
Who says the *churches* go outside of the given and accepted criteria of society, in relation to iniquitous behaviour? Quote:
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Just too deep for you is it? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Aug 7th, 2018 at 3:54pm
bwian lies all the time then denies it.
I noticed the same lie... just one of a great many... THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS BWIAN. Oh sorry keep forgetting you are Non-religious and simply a Dr of Divinity... :D :D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 7th, 2018 at 4:16pm
Moses, why do you always avoid any discussion of Christianity? Are you not a fisher of men?
Are you instead a fisher of cranky old Muslim-haters? I'm curious. I'm keen to know what Christians themselves believe. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 7th, 2018 at 4:17pm moses wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 3:42pm:
It was a statement made upon the basis of your comments, Moses. If it is a lie, it is your lie, not mine. As far as I am concerned, Christianity should expel any of it's members who do not live up to the teachings of it's Christ. You however, appear happy that it does not. Tsk, tsk. ::) Quote:
Who says the *churches* go outside of the given and accepted criteria of society, in relation to iniquitous behaviour? [/quote] Perhaps because the Church(es) hold themselves up as paragons of virtue, Moses? When was the last time a Church leader said, "Oh, so they have committed [insert crime of your choice here], that's OK with us"? They condemn those sins (crimes) yet when their members commit them, they continue to welcome them amongst their members and often praise them for their efforts. Tsk, tsk, ::) Quote:
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Just too deep for you is it?[/quote] Yep. Still does not answer the point, Moses. You can quote The Bible until you're blue in the face. You have to actually tell us why do Church(es) not expell these evil workers (criminals) from their midst when they have committed a sin (crime) against the teachings of Christ? Mmmm? The Churches accept them and continue to accept them after they have committed their sins (crimes). Tsk, tsk, one might be mistaken in assuming that the sinners (criminals) are good Christians. Right? ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 7th, 2018 at 4:18pm Grendel wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 3:54pm:
Oh, my. I had no idea bearing false witness only applied to Bwian. I guess that lets Moses, FD and the old boy off the hook, eh? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 7th, 2018 at 4:59pm Quote:
It came straight from you with one objective in mind, denigrate Christianity by any dishonest means possible. Quote:
As I said before I don't see the churches doing anything not within the realms of normal societal behaviour. They expect people to do the right thing or face our justice system. Quote:
The teachings of Christ are the ultimate authority, so quoting them is the only answer. Are you saying that churches welcome people who still are openly committing crimes? I don't think they do that, they accept people who say they are repentant, have seen the error of their ways and seek to live a decent life in the future. For arguments' sake, no one accepts a murderer who says he is a murderer and will continue to murder people.(Christian or not) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 7th, 2018 at 5:04pm
Yes, Moses, plenty of churches open their doors to people committing crimes. Junkies, whores, thieves, the lot.
You might recall your prophet doing the same. Have you actually read His teachings? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 7th, 2018 at 5:15pm
Indeed they do, however I've got a gut feeling old forked tongue is trying to hang the churches as being complicit in all sorts of human rights atrocities type of crime.
Do forgive me if both of you are only trying to be really nice, benign, never tell a lie posters. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Aug 7th, 2018 at 5:28pm
bwian's quotes prove clearly he is clueless about Christianity and Christians. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
So funny for a self proclaimed Dr of Divinity. Maybe he means Water Divining. ::) Klownal just keeps proving he's a clueless TROLL. Tsk, tsk Tsk... :D :D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 7th, 2018 at 5:49pm moses wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 4:59pm:
Was it? I felt it was intended to point out the hypocrisy of the worshipers of Christ, not the religion itself, Moses. But hey, if you want to see it that way, who am I to stop you? ::) Quote:
As I said before I don't see the churches doing anything not within the realms of normal societal behaviour. They expect people to do the right thing or face our justice system. [/quote] And still the Church(es) hold themselves up as being paragons of virtue, hey, Moses? Tsk, tsk, ::) Quote:
The teachings of Christ are the ultimate authority, so quoting them is the only answer. [/quote] And the Church(es) ignore them. Tsk, tsk, which suggests what about these collections of Christians? Mmmm? ::) Quote:
Yes. Quote:
You really do live in a fantasy land, don't you, Moses? ::) Quote:
Sure of that? Why then are there pictures of Radovan Karavitch being blessed by a Christian Priest, Moses? Why are there pictures of Hitler in company with Christian Priests, Moses? Why have no Rwandan Clergy been expelled from the Clergy? Mmmm? ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 7th, 2018 at 5:51pm Grendel wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 5:28pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:02pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 11:59am:
So you agree we should scrap 'time off' for 'rehabilitated' criminals? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:32pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 5:51pm:
GWEGGY!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:57pm DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 6:30am:
;D ;D ;D Dippy hippy is correct. Sound it out: Christians are persecuted the most around the world, primarily by muslims and commies. Muslims, by the way, are also persecuted primarily by muslims and commies. Process then respond. Try to be coherent. You are a grown-up. Go on. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Aug 7th, 2018 at 8:03pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 5:51pm:
wassup bwian you and peccerhead sharing brains now? No? Just cant hack the truth then eh. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:36pm Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:02pm:
What incentive is there then for criminals to become rehabilitated, Hammer? Recidivism is usually associated with a lack of support post prison terms and the educational attainment of the prisoner (and their mental health). Unless those things are addressed, it's a pretty even bet that a prisoner will reoffend. Do you like the idea of people being set up to fail by a system designed to do that, Hammer? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:39pm Grendel wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 8:03pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. It always has to be about me, personally, doesn't it, Geoff? Is it 'cause you can't create a coherent argument that doesn't rely on either Racism/Islamophobia/Xenophobia/Hatred/Oppression/Discrimination? Tsk, tsk, such a 2 dimensional personality you are... ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:02pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Of course, I'm writing on behalf of the majority of people (us), who aren't thugs, gangsters, rapists, murderers or pedophiles. If the notion of rehabilitation is sooo crucial, then it's absence, must equally be crucial. You're can't have it both ways, Bwian. Is the notion of releasing 'rehabilitated' criminals before the term of their semtence of value or not? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 7th, 2018 at 11:22pm moses wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 5:15pm:
You're forgiven, Moses, we're all friends here. Why are you now avoiding all questions about your apologist prophet? You haven't become a Muslim, have you? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 7th, 2018 at 11:26pm Frank wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
I say, dear boy, that really is a bore. Oppressing you, are they? How utterly oppressive. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Aug 8th, 2018 at 6:13am
there cant be any denying that the historical figure of muhamed led armies and the historical figure of jesus did not.
so at the very least, we have to admit that the founder was a warlord. the comments about the night sky and the number of moons on the flags of muslim nations are a representation of a mythological pre supposition. the egyptians, the greeks , the aztecs all worshipped the sun and saw the sun and the sun god as the representation of enlightenment and thought the sun was the forces of good, who did battle all night with the forces of evil and then emerged triumphant the next morning. these are deeply entrenched stories. the figure of jesus with a halo, the fact that we call it the "enlightenment". we say we were "enlightened" (i dont know anyone who says they were en-darkened). we refer to the light on the hill. animals are drawn to the light. it is a mythological and curious entity that the islamic faith draws a good deal on the darkness, that the night is represented on the flags, that the flag of ISIS is , for all intents and purposes 'Black" |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 8th, 2018 at 1:27pm
Not "Black", Aquascoot. We like to call it tinted.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:27pm
B.R. wrote:Reply #365 - Yesterday at 5:49pm
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O.K. if you are, why do you reject the statement that people who commit atrocities are rejected by Christ. Why are you trying to inextricably link them to Christianity. Quote:
So do you. Yet holes can be blown in your suppositions, just as a claim to be a divine agent of Christ by someone who commits iniquitous deeds can be demolished by simply referencing the Word of Christ, which is the supreme authority. Quote:
If they ignore the teachings of Christ they are rejected by Him, they are a collection of people precluded by Christ as His followers. Quote:
It's the same answer to all your propositions: if they disobeyed Christ, they are declined by Him. (He does not accept them as His followers) That is touted as the ultimate accomplishment for The followers of Christ. (live a life that is acceptable to Him) These are the true Christians, your workers of evil will not pass this criteria, therefore no matter what you or they say, they are not Christians. This is the absolute authority on this matter, you don't decide, they don't decide, they either live up to the expectations or they fail, that's it in a nutshell. However I know why you are tying desperately to denigrate the teachings of Christ as irrelevant, you just can't handle the fact that people who commit degenerate evil deeds are disobeying Christ. conversely muslims are told to commit the most heinous crimes imaginable against their fellow man, by muhammad in the qur'an. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:29pm moses wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
So do you. Yet holes can be blown in your suppositions, just as a claim to be a divine agent of Christ by someone who commits iniquitous deeds can be demolished by simply referencing the Word of Christ, which is the supreme authority. Quote:
If they ignore the teachings of Christ they are rejected by Him, they are a collection of people precluded by Christ as His followers. Quote:
It's the same answer to all your propositions: if they disobeyed Christ, they are declined by Him. (He does not accept them as His followers) That is touted as the ultimate accomplishment for The followers of Christ. (live a life that is acceptable to Him) These are the true Christians, your workers of evil will not pass this criteria, therefore no matter what you or they say, they are not Christians. This is the absolute authority on this matter, you don't decide, they don't decide, they either live up to the expectations or they fail, that's it in a nutshell. However I know why you are tying desperately to denigrate the teachings of Christ as irrelevant, you just can't handle the fact that people who commit degenerate evil deeds are disobeying Christ. conversely muslims are told to commit the most heinous crimes imaginable against their fellow man, by muhammad in the qur'an. [/quote] Apologist. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:31pm
Are you saying muslims are not told to commit atrocities against their fellow man?
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:36pm moses wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:31pm:
I'm saying you're an apologist. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:46pm
Why highlight the bit about muslims being told to kill people in their qur'an?
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:48pm moses wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:46pm:
That's the bit that makes you an apologist. You refuse to blame individuals for their actions. You attribute their actions to a book, or a religion. Always making excuses. You're an apologist. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:54pm |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:02pm moses wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:54pm:
It's carried out by individuals. Apologist. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Fuzzball on Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:08pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:02pm:
You don't appear to actually understand what the word means, YOU pessary are the worst APOLOGIST for Muslim Terrorism on this forum.......... You are a joke.....and NOT in a funny way. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:10pm
islamic terrorism is carried out by individuals who are motivated by religious beliefs.
One of the many forms of cultural marxism is denial of absolute truth. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Secret Wars on Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:14pm
It's simple enough, as a luvvie apologist Gregg would rather the fact of Islamic inspired terrorism remain unexamined.
If he was honest, he would, like Brian, just declare an inability to criticise it. :) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:32pm moses wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
'cause we have no evidence 'cause Christ more than likely never existed in reality. Quote:
Christianity the organised religion as represented by the teachings of the Church(es) or Christianity the religion as represented in your narrow-minded view of what Christ taught, Moses? "Christianity" means many things to many people. Something you appear unable to accept. When I speak against "Christianity" I am speaking primarily against the organised religion as represented by the teachings of the Church(es). When you speak about "Christianity" you're talking about your narrow-minded view of what Christ taught. There is a difference. ::) Quote:
So do you. [/quote] Do I? Care to quote where I have made such a claim? Mmmm? ::) Quote:
Except in the doings of the Church(es), Moses. Tsk, tsk, hey, the Pope exists and despite all you might claim, he states he is the supreme authority within the ranks of the Catholic Church... ::) Quote:
If they ignore the teachings of Christ they are rejected by Him, they are a collection of people precluded by Christ as His followers. [/quote] And yet they believe otherwise. Amazing how your argument falls down in the face of the views of 1.2 billion Catholics, hey, Moses? ::) Quote:
It's the same answer to all your propositions: if they disobeyed Christ, they are declined by Him. (He does not accept them as His followers) [/quote] Christ is (at best) dead. Christ isn't here, Moses. I do not believe in Christ. So, what authority does he have on Earth, now, today? Mmm? Oh, the Church(es') leaders represent him? Funny, how they accept the sinners amongst their followers... ::) Quote:
And yet their fellow Christians accept them as being, well, Christians... ::) Quote:
Yet they are still accepted by their fellow Christians as being, well, Christians... ::) Quote:
But I can, Moses, I can. My question is why they don't and why don't their fellow Christians? Tsk, tsk, once a Christian it seems, always a Christian, no matter how heinous the sins you may commit... ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 8th, 2018 at 4:19pm moses wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:10pm:
Apologist. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 8th, 2018 at 4:20pm Secret Wars wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
Another apologist for murderers. Tsk tsk ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 8th, 2018 at 8:19pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Personal agency never comes into it. People are bad because they never get enough free support. How much free support is even enough?? Well, if personal responsibility is eliminated, no support will EVER be sufficient if anyone ever relapses. The responsibility is always someone else's. Neat trick, that. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 8th, 2018 at 8:33pm moses wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
So do you. Yet holes can be blown in your suppositions, just as a claim to be a divine agent of Christ by someone who commits iniquitous deeds can be demolished by simply referencing the Word of Christ, which is the supreme authority. Quote:
If they ignore the teachings of Christ they are rejected by Him, they are a collection of people precluded by Christ as His followers. Quote:
It's the same answer to all your propositions: if they disobeyed Christ, they are declined by Him. (He does not accept them as His followers) That is touted as the ultimate accomplishment for The followers of Christ. (live a life that is acceptable to Him) These are the true Christians, your workers of evil will not pass this criteria, therefore no matter what you or they say, they are not Christians. This is the absolute authority on this matter, you don't decide, they don't decide, they either live up to the expectations or they fail, that's it in a nutshell. However I know why you are tying desperately to denigrate the teachings of Christ as irrelevant, you just can't handle the fact that people who commit degenerate evil deeds are disobeying Christ. conversely muslims are told to commit the most heinous crimes imaginable against their fellow man, by muhammad in the qur'an. [/quote] Did you say ignore the teachings of a Christ? Which ones, Moses? The real ones, or the ones that don't mean what they say? I'm curious, because you keep trying to evade this subject. Would you rather discuss the retarded, inbred sub-species who squat down to pee and play with their dicks afterwards? Why? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 8th, 2018 at 8:34pm Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 8:19pm:
Lutherans? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 8th, 2018 at 8:37pm
it was “absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes.”
In a column for Britain’s Telegraph newspaper Mr Johnson said he felt “fully entitled” to expect women to remove face coverings when talking to him at his MP’s surgery, and said schools and universities should be able to take the same approach if a student ”turns up … looking like a bank robber.” Just so. Muslims - adjust to your circumstances. Expecting your circumstances to adjust to you is to demand tht you be viewed with the same suspicion and distrust that you have been viewed with for 1400 years. “It is ridiculous that these views [Johnson's and the vast majority of Western people] are being attacked — we must not fall into the trap of shutting down the debate on difficult issues,” a source close to Mr Johnson told reporters. “We have to call it out. If we fail to speak up for liberal values then we are simply yielding ground to reactionaries and extremists,” the source said. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 8th, 2018 at 8:38pm Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 8:19pm:
No, Soren. You're wrong as usual. It is ultimately the responsibility of the individual but circumstances contribute to the decisions made by that individual. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Aug 8th, 2018 at 8:54pm Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 8:19pm:
Rehabilitation is just a buzz word Bwian uses in front of his fellow luvvies at dinner parties. It's the golden calf when letting criminals out of prison; irrelevant when it comes to protecting society from unrepentant animals. As Bwian is an idealogue, there is little chance of him seeing the inconsistency in his own beliefs. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 8th, 2018 at 8:58pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:02pm:
It’s carried out by individuals acting on behalf of certain religious movements. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 10:15pm:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 8:37pm:
Agreed. Why are you and FD so scared to say we should ban the burqa? You know you want to. I'm not sure how you'd do it, but I'm all for it. You? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 8th, 2018 at 9:18pm Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 8:54pm:
You have no idea, Hammer. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. I wonder why you bother? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Mr Hammer on Aug 8th, 2018 at 9:21pm
White flag accepted.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 8th, 2018 at 9:24pm Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 9:21pm:
Yawn |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 8th, 2018 at 10:26pm Karnal wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
I don't want to ban it. I want to ridicule and laught it out of existence. I want them to be ashamed of their primitive backwardness and leave it behind, emancipate themselves and assimilate or be ridiculed. I want to be be free to express my contempt for their wold view. I can ridicule cannibals, homophobes, communists, fascists, Christians, politicians - why not ridiculous, primitive Muslims? What is so special about Muslims other than their mindless violence in response to any criticism? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 8th, 2018 at 11:02pm
That's true, old boy. You've always been a big fan of mansturpation, no?
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 9th, 2018 at 3:05pm
B.R. wrote Reply #389 - Yesterday at 3:32pm
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There is only one true Christianity:The one that ascribes the Words of Christ as being the Ultimate authority. False religion is Just that, false. Predicted 2018 years ago: Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Quote:
Popes exist so do imams, existence doesn't automatically mean spiritual perfection. For Christians spiritual perfection begins with obeying the teachings of Christ. Quote:
Simply believing you are right is not the answer, you have to meet the criteria sent down by christ. Quote:
The authority is His Word. Quote:
If anyone accepts evil iniquity as being quiet O.K. then they simply aren't Christians according to the words of Christ. In the end that's the evaluator which has ultimate authority. Quote:
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So now You're saying that you know that men have to obey Christ to be a true follower, however because men have and will commit wickedness and claim to be Christian, they automatically are to be embraced as true Christians? That's illogical to say the least. If you know that to be a Christian you must obey Christ , you also know that the purveyors of evil are rejected by Him. So why all the lies then. It appears after all these posts, The facts are: Men who do evil are disobeying the teachings of Christ. conversely muslims who perpetrate human rights atrocities against their fellow man, are conforming to the teachings of muhammad. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:12pm
Moses has given up, Brian.
He doesn't want to be a fisher of men anymore. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:21pm
Reply #247 - Jul 27th, 2018 at 6:21pm
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Old karnal always mentions prophet yeheshua and now this yeheshua is claimed by karnal as *our prophet*. Well who is yeheshua? He is a figment of muhammads imagination. He did not come as a messiah who died for the sins of man. Instead muslims are told he came with the injeel to preach his gospel. muhammad tried to plagiarize the works of the Jews and Christians, he did not have the brains to know that the N.T. didn't come into existence untill after the death of of Christ. But the daddy of them all is the islamic teachings which say that this yeheshua is going to come back and in true islamic fashion, is going to do what? Well it fits in nicely with the values of islam, yeheshua is going to murder every Christian on the earth. islam a true blue death cult, slaughtering innocent people is a core value. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:06pm moses wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
We only have your word on that, Moses and as it runs counter to what the various Churches teach and what the masses of Christians appear to believe, I think you're rather in the minority. ::) Quote:
Popes exist so do imams, existence doesn't automatically mean spiritual perfection. [/quote] I didn't claim that, Moses. Please stop putting words which don't exist into my mouth. The Pope exists. He claims he is the supreme authority within the Catholic Church, just as the Queen claims that for the Anglican Church, who are we to dispute that, Moses? ::) Quote:
And are you doing that, Moses? Really? You appear to hate Muslims. What happened to the words of Mathew 5:44? You seem to disobey that instruction... ::) Quote:
Simply believing you are right is not the answer, you have to meet the criteria sent down by christ. [/quote] They believe they are, Moses. Who are you to dispute that? Quote:
The authority is His Word. [/quote] And so they accept the sinners amongst them, no matter how heinous the sin they have committed... ::) Quote:
If anyone accepts evil iniquity as being quiet O.K. then they simply aren't Christians according to the words of Christ. [/quote] It appears they are. When was the last Christian expelled from the religion because of the sins they have committed, Moses? I've asked that several times, in several forms and you keep dodging away from it. Why? Quote:
So, Christians are happy to accept sinners amongst their number? Afterall, they are the "evaluators", now aren't they, Moses? ::) Quote:
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So now You're saying that you know that men have to obey Christ to be a true follower, however because men have and will commit wickedness and claim to be Christian, they automatically are to be embraced as true Christians? That's illogical to say the least. [/quote] Nope, that is not what I have been saying, Moses. Appears you are being deliberately obtuse. What I have been saying, the whole time, is that Christians accept sinners, no matter how serious the sin they have committed, as fellow Christians. ::) Quote:
Not much rejection happening, Moses. Tsk, tsk. ::) Quote:
Lies? Where? You haven't proved I have lied at all, Moses. Quote:
Yet they are still accept as Christians, Moses. This is one face you appear unable to accept. I wonder why? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:06pm Karnal wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:12pm:
One should never give up. A sinner can always redeem themselves if they are helped and shown the way, K. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:02pm
b.R. wrote:Reply #409 - Today at 5:06pm
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My word? No the word of Christ. Quote:
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The pope is the supreme authority in the catholic church. However the supreme authority in Christianity is the Word of Christ, trangress those guidelines and you are rejected by Christ. End of story. Quote:
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Dearie me, are you going to jump on the **select a couple of teachings and disregard others** bandwagon of karnals? Quote:
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Me? The word of Christ disputes they are Christians. Quote:
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I have no idea what the various churches do, however the guidelines are quiet clear, they must follow the teachings of Christ, or they will be rejected. Quote:
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There is nothing to back away from. You falsely claim they have to be Christian simply because they say so. I have disputed this repeatedly, the teachings of Christ distinctly say that workers of iniquity will be rejected by Him. You're the one stating they are Christians not me. Quote:
Another false statement from you. If they have trangressed the limits they have been rejected by Christ. The word of Christ is the supreme evaluator. Quote:
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How do you know, have you spoken to Christ lately? Quote:
Who are they accepted by? From the way you put it, they are accepted by others who are complicit in their wrongdoings. Well if that's the case, workers of iniquity are rejected by the word Of Christ, therefore they are not true Christians. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:20pm moses wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:21pm:
Muslims? Yeheshua is the Hebrew name for our prophet, the son of man. What did you think He was called? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:24pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:06pm:
I agree, B. Perhaps we can help Moses come back, a prodigal son, as it were. There is only one solution to this. We should pray for Moses' soul. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 9th, 2018 at 8:46pm Karnal wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Mohammed was an illiterate epileptic meshugge so whatever he said was a load of misconceived bollocks. A bit like you, Paki. hence your affinity to Mo, yes? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:02pm
The old boy likes Danish, Moses.
Yeheshjooah. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:25pm moses wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:02pm:
My word? No the word of Christ. [/quote] Really? What did he say? What did he personally write down, Moses? Oh, dear, we have the word of Christ as interpreted by his disciples, not the word of Christ at all... ::) Quote:
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The pope is the supreme authority in the catholic church. [/quote] Why are you restating what I have said, several times now, Moses? Quote:
But his representatives here, on Earth, still accept sinners as being Christians, Moses. Their fellow Christians continue to accept them as Christians. Are you tell us that Christians are wrong to do so? Quote:
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Dearie me, are you going to jump on the **select a couple of teachings and disregard others** bandwagon of karnals? [/quote] Errr, Moses, you appear to be the one who is only accepting some of Christ's teachings rather than all of them. Why don't you explain why Matthew 5:44 should be ignored? Quote:
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Me? The word of Christ disputes they are Christians. [/quote] But they believe they are. Again I ask, who are you to dispute what they believe? Quote:
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I have no idea what the various churches do, however the guidelines are quiet clear, they must follow the teachings of Christ, or they will be rejected. [/quote] Obviously they missed that part of the message. Tell me, do you reject Christians who kill innocent Muslims, Moses? Quote:
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There is nothing to back away from. You falsely claim they have to be Christian simply because they say so. I have disputed this repeatedly, the teachings of Christ distinctly say that workers of iniquity will be rejected by Him. You're the one stating they are Christians not me. [/quote] Nope. They are, Moses. Why do you think they do that? MMmm? Quote:
Another false statement from you. If they have trangressed the limits they have been rejected by Christ. The word of Christ is the supreme evaluator. Ah, now we see a qualification. Yes, I can accept Christ as being your supreme evaluator, Moses. Tell me, what are you going to do when he rejects you? Mmmm? ::) Quote:
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How do you know, have you spoken to Christ lately? Quote:
Who are they accepted by? From the way you put it, they are accepted by others who are complicit in their wrongdoings. Well if that's the case, workers of iniquity are rejected by the word Of Christ, therefore they are not true Christians.[/quote] |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Stauggielin on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:47pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:25pm:
Hang on, I thought Jesus and his disciples had spiral notebooks and ballpoint pens.... |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 10th, 2018 at 3:25pm
B.R. wrote: Reply #416 - Yesterday at 9:25pm
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The words attributed to him in the gospels, are accepted and quoted as the Word Of Christ by all Christians, they are the undisputed authority of Christendom. Quote:
Another falsehood by you. How can they be His representatives, if He stated that He rejects people like them? Quote:
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You must like reading the verses, here they are again for the umpteenth time Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. some people worship Christ to no avail Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. not everyone who prays to Him will enter into the kingdom Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? many will say the did things in His name Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. he rejects workers of iniquity |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 10th, 2018 at 4:00pm
karnal wrote: Reply #412 - Yesterday at 7:20pm
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Yes muslims are the only one who preach a prophet called yeheshua. You see the Christians have a Messiah whose original name was Yeshua The proper name Jesus /ˈdʒiːzəs/ used in the English language originates from the Latin form of the Greek name Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous), a rendition of the Hebrew Yeshua (ישוע), also having the variants Joshua or Jeshua. In a religious context the name refers to Jesus, the central figure of Christianity. The Christian Messiah is nothing remotely similar to the muslim prophet. Christ did not come with the gospels already in book form the gospels never came till after his death and ascension Conversely-- the muslim prophet was a muslim who had a book(injeel) prepared by allah. Christ messiah worshipped Hebrew God who was not called allah. Conversely--the muslim prophet worshipped a god called allah. Christ Messiah died for the sins of mankind and rose again. Conversely-----muslim prophet did not. Christ Messiah is to return and gather his people Conversely---the muslim prophet is to return and break the cross. He will invalidate Christianity through breaking the cross and will refute the Christians’ allegations regarding Christ dying on it) Back to your imam karnal you got it all wrong. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 10th, 2018 at 6:52pm Auggie wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
Ah, I understand they were all replaced very early on by blonde, blue-eyed, true Aryan secretaries... ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 10th, 2018 at 7:05pm moses wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
So, they literally aren't the "Words of Christ" rather are the interpreted words of Christ as claimed by the people who wrote the Gospels in the New Testament which, as is well known, were edited well after the event by the Church(es) to often mean quite different things from what was originally intended, right, Moses? Oh, dear. You really do have a lot faith, don't you? ::) Quote:
Another falsehood by you. How can they be His representatives, if He stated that He rejects people like them? [/quote] I think you're missing my point. Not unusually mind you but you appear to forget that a great deal of what people believe is what they are told by other people, Moses. The Bible might say one thing but Christians appear to believe something very different as they do, do they not, accept sinners as being well, Christians. Afterall, Christianity is determined by what The Bible claims and also by what the Church(es) and other Christians claim and here we appear to have a contradiction - one I note you appear to be not willing to admit. I wonder why? ::) Quote:
Because if loving your enemies is leading Christians into unwarranted danger, then Christians are forbidden to tempt God.[/quote] Yet, Christ (God) did proclaim that Christians should love their enemies and as far as I can tell, there is no "get out of gaol" card in The Bible which says, "but in other circumstances you're allowed to hate who you like..." Moses there appears to be a contradiction in what you say and what The Bible states. You don't seem to be able to quote to us the Bible verse which says, "you are forbidden to tempt God." Why? ::) Quote:
Again I state the Words of Christ are the criteria. [/quote] And yet the overwhelming majority of Christians appear to disagree with you. Interesting that. Who determines the beliefs of an entire religion, Moses? Mmm? ::) Quote:
Why don't you have the guts to say what's on your mind? Do you mean everyday murder, or are you going to try and use innocent civilians who are often the unintended victims of war. [/quote] Is there a difference morally? Murder is murder no matter where or when or whom commits it, Moses. A person is killed. I have asked you a direct question. You appear to be dodging around it. I wonder why? Tsk, tsk. ::) Quote:
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You must like reading the verses, here they are again for the umpteenth time Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. some people worship Christ to no avail Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. not everyone who prays to Him will enter into the kingdom Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? many will say the did things in His name Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. he rejects workers of iniquity [/quote] YAWN. Read them already, Moses. I am asking you why do Christians or rather people who refer to themselves as Christians ignore them? Why do you condemn them while ignoring other verses? Mmmm? Seems you are rather selective in what you believe and obey from The Bible, Moses. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 10th, 2018 at 10:23pm moses wrote on Aug 10th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
Muslims? No Muslim has ever called Him Yeheshua, dear. But you keep sticking to the names. That's the important thing here, ja? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 11th, 2018 at 2:25pm
B.R. wrote:Reply #421 - Yesterday at 7:05pm
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Missing your point? I refute your anti-Christian claims that the dictates of man overthrow the Words of Christ. Quote:
There is a number of teachings from Christ. They in no way say that Christians should embrace evil, or put themselves in unwarranted risk. IN fact they say the exact opposite. Quote:
O.K. back up your words. Show some proof that Christians say that the Word of Christ is not of the utmost authority. Or are you just lying once again. Quote:
More crap from you, there are many forms of unintended death. People who cause these unintentional deaths are not morally guilty as someone who commits willful murder. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 11th, 2018 at 2:26pm
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You really must go and get your imam to sort this out for you. The prophet yeheshua of muslims is a part of the anti-Christ mantra of islam. he is a product of the rantings of a thief liar pedophile rapist torturer and mass murderer muhammad. he is purported to have the purpose of coming back to earth and destroying Christianity. No wonder you always quote this muslim prophet, he fits in perfectly with your anti-Christian agenda. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 11th, 2018 at 4:08pm moses wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Yet, when I point out that Christians appear to believe things at variance to "his words", yourself included, you claim I am, "lying", Moses. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. ::) Quote:
Missing your point? I refute your anti-Christian claims that the dictates of man overthrow the Words of Christ.[/quote] Nothing, "anti-Christian" in my words, at all, except in your narrow-minded imagination, Moses. Tsk,tsk, you do enjoy resorting to ad hominem insults, don't you? My views are questioning of things you appear to take on faith alone. I wonder why you condemn me for asking questions? Perhaps you don't like your faith being shaken? Anyway, what you call the, "dictates of man" are claimed by the Church(es) and believers to be the "dictates of God." Something you appear unwilling to accept. I wonder why? Quote:
There is a number of teachings from Christ. They in no way say that Christians should embrace evil, or put themselves in unwarranted risk. IN fact they say the exact opposite.[/quote] Yet you have yet to quote them, Moses. Do they exist at all or are they merely in your imagination. Please quote them to us, to prove your point... ::) Quote:
O.K. back up your words. Show some proof that Christians say that the Word of Christ is not of the utmost authority. Or are you just lying once again.[/quote] I point to Christian practice. They accept sinners. Indeed, they celebrate sinners' efforts for their religion throughout history. That is, as you point out, against the "words of Christ", yet it occurs. Perhaps they disagree with your beliefs? ::) Quote:
More crap from you, there are many forms of unintended death. People who cause these unintentional deaths are not morally guilty as someone who commits willful murder.[/quote] You declare a moral point as, "crap", Moses. Appears you have problems with people being deliberately killed, depending upon circumstance. I think the point is that a deliberate decision has been made to kill people. Doesn't matter if they dress in civilian clothing or a uniform, don't carry weapons or carry a weapon, etc. If you deliberately decide you are going to kill them, you are committed homicide - murder in layman's terms. You appear unwilling to face that. I wonder why? Do you want to kill Muslims, Moses? Mmmm? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 11th, 2018 at 4:10pm
Muslims do not call Him Yeheshua, Moses, Jews do.
But I'm curious. You've just agreed that Christians all over the world believe His admonition to love them as Ye love thyselves. So why does this exclude you? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 11th, 2018 at 5:08pm
B.R. wrote:Reply #425 - Today at 4:08pm
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Yes it is your anti-Christian rhetoric. You go to great lengths to falsely claim that evil doers are genuine Christians. Quote:
Matthew 4:7 Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Luke 4:12 Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. Quote:
We all know it occurs. The question is: does it contravene the teachings of Christ? If it does then Christ rejects them. Quote:
I declare your pontificating as crap. There is a huge difference between unintentional death and deliberate murder. Your rant about decisions to kill people in uniform, I take as sanctimonious self praise, you'll have to do something about the psyche of mankind won't you? Men have been going to war since the dawn of time. On the point of deliberate decisions to kill people why are you so supportive of islamic doctrine which has rape torture and mass murder as core doctrine. All urged by their muhammad. why do you lie about the doctrine of Christianity as taught by Christ? why do you try and proclaim it as being no different to islamic doctrine? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 11th, 2018 at 5:34pm
Moses, the question we've all asked you throughout this thread is why you consistently lie about the doctrine of Christianity as taught by Christ.
You know that you're doing this. Your attempts to present hatred and killing as teachings of Christ have been most half-hearted, more of a squeak really. You know you can't defend this, so you evade. By your own admission here, you say this results in the prophet rejecting you. So it is with a very heavy heart that I must agree with you. Not all who go in His name shall enter His Father's house. If you don't mind me saying, Moses, this means you'll be BANNED. Repentance and love is your only chance. Where will you spend Eternity? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 11th, 2018 at 6:52pm moses wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 5:08pm:
So, he has rejected you, because of your insistence that you are allowed to not love your enemies, Moses? Afterall, that is what we have found from your denial of Christ's message about loving your enemies, now isn't it? Matthew 5:44. Tsk, tsk. ::) Quote:
Yes it is your anti-Christian rhetoric. You go to great lengths to falsely claim that evil doers are genuine Christians.[/quote] What "anti-Christian rhetoric", Moses? I have merely asked questions about the contradictions between what you proclaim is Christianity and what the Christian Church(es) have proclaimed is Christianity. Which group is correct? You or them? You appear unwilling to accept that you may be wrong and the majority of Christians correct. I wonder why? No element of doubt in your viewpoint? Tsk. tsk. ::) Quote:
Matthew 4:7 Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Luke 4:12 Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. [/quote] Interesting. In both verses, Christ is conferring with the Devil. In both, he is referring to where the Israelites doubted their belief in God. Funny that, Moses. It does not state what you claim it states. It is about questioning belief not about testing God at all, except in a general sense. Quote:
More of Paul's preaching. Paul was not a disciple, Moses. He never met Christ. He never heard him speak. Tsk, tsk. ::) Quote:
We all know it occurs. The question is: does it contravene the teachings of Christ? If it does then Christ rejects them.[/quote] But Christians do not. Christ's Church(es) do not. You do. Who is correct? You or the billions of other Christians? Mmmm? Quote:
I declare your pontificating as crap.[/quote] Thank you. I have not returned the declaration, Moses. Why are you unable to argue politely? Do you find questions about your faith difficult to answer? Mmmm? ::) Quote:
Both result in homocide, Moses. Both result in human deaths. Both are it appears, deliberate. "Thou shalt not kill," is one of the Ten Commandments. It makes no effort to clarify the circumstances. It is an absolute instruction. You are proposing that it should be ignored. Tsk. tsk. Didn't you once write about the importance of the 10 Commandments, Moses? ::) Quote:
Where does the 10 Commandments differentiate, Moses? Is there one set for those in uniform and another for those out of uniform? Mmmm? ::) Quote:
Where have I posted anything that supports it, Moses? Care to provide a quote of mine where I support Islamic doctrine? Mmmm? The only person who appears to support "murder" as a core doctrine is you. Tsk, tsk. ::) Quote:
Where have I declared them to be identical, Moses? Mmmm? Please provide a quote of mine where I have done so. If you can't, well, then, what does the 9th Commandment say about that? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 11th, 2018 at 6:57pm Karnal wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
Your 'neighbour'; is not some jihadi goatherd who wants to kill you because you worship a Christian or Jewish god. Your neighbour is SOMEONE LIKE YOU. I am struggling to find my likeness in Sudanese marauders, Muslim jihadis, niqabis and bearded honour killers, Asian money grubbers, Indian slave keepers. Social solidarity - neighbourliness - doesn't reach the exotic parts of the globe. Hygge. Cosiness. Not the same as allahu akhbar or 'kill you white trash'. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 11th, 2018 at 7:36pm
Verses like "cleave to that which is good" mean practicing love, patience and forgiveness. Nowhere does the prophet or his follower Paul reject or rebut any of this core teaching. It is the very essence of His practice.
Moses knows this. His limpwristed attempts to turn statements about not being tempted by the devil into a justification to hate, ban and kill the Muselman and his Christian apologists is the height of deceit. If anything, it warrants a charge of blasphemy. Judge not, leftards, lest ye shurely shall be judged. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 11th, 2018 at 7:41pm Frank wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
My "neighbour" is a Musel prayer hall on my street, dear. My "enemy" is to be loved as thyself. Who demonstrates more love here, old boy? The Muselman? Or your jolly aged self. G is nicer than you, smarter than you and far more interesting than you. If his words are any reflection of his soul, he's a superior species to you in every way. Inferior culture, innit. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Aug 11th, 2018 at 9:50pm
You are totally wasting your time with these 2 clowns Moses.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by DonDeeHippy on Aug 12th, 2018 at 10:01am
If u hate and want to kill Muslim's for hating and Killing......
Doesnt that make u equal's ??? :-[ |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:40pm
Grendel loves them though, Don. Some of his best friends are Desert N*****s.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 12th, 2018 at 3:00pm
B.R. wrote: Reply #429 - Yesterday at 6:52pm
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My insistence is that Christians do not have to accept evil, it is forbidden to put yourself at needless risk. Therefore I reject the evil of islam. Funny how the self righteous like you accept islam and the never ending slaughter, the little kids being put at needless risk, why don't you want to stop this slaughter and islamic child abuse? Quote:
Your incessant lying and desperately trying to say that people who commit atrocities are true Christians. Quote:
The two are synonymous, Don't tempt God by tolerating evil. Quote:
If they embrace and practice evil they are rejected by Christ. It matters not what you or any one else says, the rules are straight forward. Quote:
Sadly war has been a part and parcel of human history, untill mankind can do away with it defence forces will always be part of life. Why are you such a staunch supporter of islam and its' doctrine of death, its' world wide terrorism and millions of muslims fleeing around the globe, putting their little kids in mortal danger, why are you so obsessed with protecting this at all costs? Quote:
Don't tell me, I suggest you get on to the U.N. and get all defence personnel to play marbles (or something similar). Once again I ask if you're such a sanctimonious self righteous person, why do you 100% support the doctrine of islam which causes and motivates human rights atrocities? Quote:
O.K. then, do you agree that: 1/. People who commit evil are disobeying Christ. 2/. muslims who commit human rights atrocities are obeying muhammad? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 12th, 2018 at 3:04pm
DonDeeHippy wrote: Reply #434 - Today at 10:01am
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islam is the problem, islam causes and motivates islamic terrorism. The answer is to honestly evaluate the verses in the qur'an and purge the evil in it. This will destroy islam I know that and so do the muslims and their apologists who go to any lengths to hide this fact. islam cannot stand an honest appraisal, muslims and their apologists prefer the status quo of bloodshed death and destruction over being honest about the evil in islam. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 12th, 2018 at 3:10pm
Grendel wrote: Reply #433 - Yesterday at 9:50pm
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Just playing around with a couple of cultural marxist useless idiots (I think that's todays' term). |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 12th, 2018 at 3:15pm moses wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 3:10pm:
That's Christian cultural Marxist useless idiots, Moses. Yesterday's term was despicable apologists. Do you go in His name? Why or why not? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 12th, 2018 at 3:54pm
I wonder if any of the cultural Marxist useful idiots know the difference between a muslim prophet and a Christian Messiah?
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 12th, 2018 at 4:11pm moses wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 3:54pm:
High-school drop-outs discussing Marxism. Always amuses me :) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Aug 12th, 2018 at 4:23pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 4:11pm:
Do you support marxism ::) ::). How's the latest Marxist pin up state, Venezuela , travelling :D :D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 12th, 2018 at 4:25pm aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 4:23pm:
You, like most other conservatives on here, don't know what Marxism is. Too funny :) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Unforgiven on Aug 12th, 2018 at 4:26pm aquascoot wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 4:23pm:
Aquascoot, darling. You consider yourself a red-blooded alpha male. Why weren't you first in line at the army recruitment office? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Aug 12th, 2018 at 4:28pm
Marxism.... A reprehensible idea that the successful stole their success by stomping on other people.
Thereby enabling the unsuccessful to go into excuse making momentum |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Aug 12th, 2018 at 4:30pm Unforgiven wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 4:26pm:
I see our Marxist PC pukes want the soldiers to paint their nails pink ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by DonDeeHippy on Aug 12th, 2018 at 5:52pm moses wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 3:04pm:
so Islam is to blame for u having hateful murderous thoughts ? ;) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 12th, 2018 at 6:14pm moses wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 3:54pm:
You won't say if you go in His name? That's your third strike, Moses. You're out. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 12th, 2018 at 6:16pm DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 5:52pm:
According to Moses, that's Christianity. If Moses was right, we'd have a whole new religion to hate, ban and kill. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 12th, 2018 at 7:16pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
Tell us what it is, Turd. Go on, I dare you, shitehead. ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 12th, 2018 at 8:16pm DonDeeHippy wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 5:52pm:
Muslims are murdering Christians, Indians, Jews, atheist for religion. What do you say to them, Dippy? Muslims are taken in by Western countries but they repay the hospitality by terrorist attacks. Muslim countries are not taking in ANY christian or even Muslim refugees. They are systematically murdering and driving out all non-Muslims and even Muslims of the wrong creed while the West takes them all in. Why? Islam IS a murderous thought. You would sooner crap your nappy than turn your mind (if that's the word) to the murderous mayhem Islam is wreaking in the world. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Aug 13th, 2018 at 6:11am Frank wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
he wont. christians arent without sin. during the inquisition , people were brutally killed, maybe in the 10's of 1000's. but the toxic marxist regimes. they made the christians look like rank amateurs. the successful farmers and small business people sent to the gulags under the soviet marxists. in the 10's of millions. the people Mao deemed needed to die to ensure his marxist regime prevailed. in the 10's of millions. the doctors and teachers and businesspeople (anyone up the hierachy) killed by Pol Pot in the killing fields. in the millions. even today in the failed pin - up state of venezuela. the government has passed a law making it a criminal offence for a doctor to write 'starvation" as the cause of death on the certificate for 1000's of starving venezualans. just how many corpses need to pile up before we see socialism for the vile and reprehensible system that it is. hmmm, bwian, hmmm, gweggy ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 13th, 2018 at 2:15pm
DonDeeHippy wrote: Reply #447 - Yesterday at 5:52pm
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I call for muslims to be honest about the evil in their qur'an. The qur'an is the cause and motivation for islamic terrorism around the globe on a daily basis. Now you say that is a hateful and murderous thought? Why do you say this? Because you're no different to any other leftard apologist for islamic terrorism. You don't have the moral integrity to admit that islam is evil, you sneak around tryin to find any excuse at all to hide from this fact, you can't stand the thought of islam being made accountable for its' own faults and failings. Why do you prefer the global daily bloodshed perpetrated by muslims in the name of allah, over simply being honest about the evil in islam? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 13th, 2018 at 2:36pm
Or are you saying Christianity is responsible for your hateful thoughts, Moses?
We'll clear this one up in a jiffy. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Grendel on Aug 13th, 2018 at 3:20pm oooh Klownal strikes again. Give it up if you've got nothing Klownal... you are dead set boring. :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 13th, 2018 at 5:57pm
Oh no, I have this:
Moses says that Christians who continue to commit sin are no longer Christians. He says Jesus (Moses doesn't like His non-Roman birth-name) wants His followers to separate themselves from evil by hating, banning and killing evil-doers. And he says that Christians who practice love, forgiveness and tolerance for all people are despicable apologists who murder little girls. Moses, you see, has turned the entire Christian mission on its head. Love becomes hate. Breaking bread becomes putting up walls. Forgiveness becomes revenge. Anyone who doesn't agree with this is a filthy liar. Moses has stopped trying to explain all this. He knows he's wrong. So I'm curious. How do we account for someone who tries to turn a religion based on love into one of hate? And how do we explain the mindset of someone who does this in an attempt to prove the superiority of their religion over others? On the one hand, Moses is rallying hatred against the Muselman. On the other, he's seeking to turn Christianity into a white supremacist hate-movement in order to do so. And he's denigrating all practicing Christians as filthy apologists for not joining him in turning the words of his self-professed prophet/saviour into hate-speech. Please post another clown, Moses. I always have a chuckle too. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 13th, 2018 at 6:47pm Karnal wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 2:36pm:
Gweggowy won't tell us what Marxism is while he sniggers that nobody else besides him knows what it is. Do you what Marxism is, Paki? Do you dare say what you think? Or are you forever deflating and obfuscating and trouser-sniffing for Allah, Mohammed and Gandalf? Let us catch you out by your lies, Paki. Speak. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:12pm Karnal wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
Being a Mohammedan (taqiyya) and a coprophiliac (mian miam), you misrepresent everything and then wallow in your distortions, Paki. Once a deviant, always a deviant. Have more crap, go on, you know you can't stop. You would die if you couldn't lie. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:17pm Frank wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
See, I knew you didn't know :) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:34pm Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
I do, dear boy. Marxism is the study of economic structures. You won't find many social sciences without reference, or even an emphasis, on these structures. History, anthropology, political-economy and philosophy rely on this study. At their essence, humans are, as Marx said, Homo Economicus. You? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:37pm Frank wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
No worries. Is anything in the passage above a misrepresentation of what Moses has stated in this very thread? Point this out, old boy, and I'll give you a banana. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 14th, 2018 at 3:26pm
A liar wrote Reply #456 - Yesterday at 5:57pm
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Again you lie, Christians are to shun evil Quote:
Another lie I say that little girls may definitely avoid and shun people who may hurt them. Quote:
Just another weak attempt at trying to push the line that Christians must put themselves in needless danger because part of their doctrine says to love people, this sicko is desperately running away from other teachings which urge caution and common-sense in your daily life. Quote:
Rallying the proposition that muslims must take ownership of the hate and evil in the qur'an, if they want to stop the eternal bloodshed death and destruction perpetrated by their fellow muslims who follow the qur'an to the very letter, they must therefore purge the evil from the doctrine of death which islam is. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 14th, 2018 at 4:05pm moses wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 3:26pm:
An interesting comment, when considers you, the chief Christian in this forum commits evil every time you ignore the 10 Commandments, Moses. An even more interesting comment, when considers that you, while always defending Christianity, refuse to acknowledge the core tenants of the religion as a guide to your life. An even, even more interesting comment, when considers that you, while always defending Christianity, have yet to admit to being a Christian yourself. Funny that, hey? It appears to me that you're not a Christian and that you are only playing at being a Christian, Moses. Tsk, tsk. So, until you admit you're a Christian and actually admit that you have betrayed your own belief system, you're just talking bullshit as far as I am concerned. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 14th, 2018 at 4:19pm moses wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 3:26pm:
Again you lie, Christians are to shun evil Quote:
Another lie I say that little girls may definitely avoid and shun people who may hurt them. Quote:
Just another weak attempt at trying to push the line that Christians must put themselves in needless danger because part of their doctrine says to love people, this sicko is desperately running away from other teachings which urge caution and common-sense in your daily life. Quote:
Rallying the proposition that muslims must take ownership of the hate and evil in the qur'an, if they want to stop the eternal bloodshed death and destruction perpetrated by their fellow muslims who follow the qur'an to the very letter, they must therefore purge the evil from the doctrine of death which islam is. [/quote] No, dear, part of Christian doctrine does not say to love people. All of it does. I'm not sure, however, why you would call Christian teachings "their doctrine". If you're not a Christian, no worries. None of this applies you you. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 14th, 2018 at 4:26pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 4:05pm:
The old boy raises Christian teachings from time to time, but when he confessed to being an atheist, his lies were forgiven. When the old boy talks of Western Christian values, he means white values. And by this, he means walling off the cities, putting sentries at the gates, sacking and pillaging the hordes, and doing everything we can to annoy the tinted races and their apologists. We're not Christians, we're tanned. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 14th, 2018 at 4:45pm Quote:
Two apologists trying to dispute: 1/. Christianity does not teach people to commit atrocities, conversely islam urges human rights atrocities be committed by muslims. 2/. Christians most definitely can shun and reject evil no matter what shape or form it arises in. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 14th, 2018 at 5:20pm
All people should shun and reject evil, Moses, but this is not what you do.
You're drumming up a hatred of Muslims in complete opposition to our prophet's teachings. No Muslim is hurting you or bringing you harm - or me, or anyone else in this country. You have nothing to turn the other cheek to. The one Muslim you know is respectful and considerate towards you. You can't justify a pogrom against Muslims based on misreadings of the Quran. G has pointed out most of your errors. You are not defending yourself or anyone else, you are launching an attack, drumming up hatred for its own sake, and all this contradicts the teachings of Jesus, His apostles, and even His current pope. Christians, he said, do not seek to build walls. Christians follow Christ, who taught love, kindness and forgiveness - even when this comes at a cost to yourself. This is the path Christians follow. It has not changed. It can't change. You are not entitled to re-write it. If you choose to renounce Christ, you are perfectly free to do so. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 14th, 2018 at 5:23pm
And I don't encourage you to renounce Christ, Moses. I encourage you to try out His teachings.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 14th, 2018 at 5:46pm Karnal wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 5:23pm:
For real, perhaps? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 14th, 2018 at 5:57pm
Reply #467 - Today at 5:20pm
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Just haven't got the internal fortitude to criticize the doctrine of islam which is the cause and motivation of muslims being the top 24 listed terrorist organizations have you?. A doctrine which muslims who target little children at a kids concert by a suicide bomber, or other muslims driving down a crowded street murdering innocent civilians at will, all absolutely convinced they will enter the muslims paradise because they are obeying the qur'an to the very letter. You are terrified of having muslims being responsible for the evil of their beliefs, you will say and do anything to hide the fact that islam is the sole cause of innocent people being slaughtered by muslims around the globe on a daily basis. However the world is slowly turning on you and yours, the day will come when the truth will bring you and the depravity in islam down. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 14th, 2018 at 6:08pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 5:46pm:
Any of it. Moses is already arguing for the Muslims and their apologists (Moses' fellow Christians if he counts himself among them) to get theirs in the fullness of time, presumably through vigilante action or government-sanctioned death camps. You know, a sort of reverse Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Call me old fashioned, but yes, I do think Moses should give it a go. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Aug 14th, 2018 at 6:21pm
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Eer no. Definitely by muslims finally having to be honest and accept and own the evil in their doctrine, this will destroy islam as sure as the sun will come up tomorrow,. You're all so afraid of muslims having to eventually reject the evil in the qur'an. So sad too bad. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 14th, 2018 at 6:30pm moses wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
I'm yet to be shown the evil in the Quran you keep banging on about. Every interpretation you've provided here is a crock. This is backed by our resident Islamic scholar, who you call a liar for providing us with the truth. But this thread is not about Islam, it's about the views of Christians. You have tried turning it into a thread about Muslims in an attempt to distract from your own views on an image of a young refugee girl on a boat. Jesus was clear that all human life is precious - the white foetus and the tinted refugee girl. But you are attempting to argue that one of these lives takes priority over the other, by turning the debate into an attack on Islam. No one here supports Jihadist attacks on civilians, including Muslims. These are not Muslim actions, they are inconsistent with the teachings of Moh, they are opposed by very Muslim I've ever discussed them with. Again, when this is pointed out by our resident Islamic scholar, you call him a liar. When this is pointed out by every Australian Muslim leader, you accuse them of taqiyya. Then you happily go on your way, spewing your daily hatred along your path. And when this is pointed out to you as against the teachings of Christ, you offer a few weak verses about distancing oneself from evil, as if this could possibly justify your daily calls to hate them, ban them and kill Muslims and their apologists. We've referred you to the Bible. We can easily point out the statements of Catholic and Anglican leaders, or a myriad of Christian teachers, past and present, but do you know? You won't get it because it's not in your heart. As our prophet pointed out, not all who go in His name shall enter the Kingdom. The least you can do is acknowledge your proohet's own teachings, but you refuse to do that too. Your words and views here are antithetical to Christianity. You are, by the Bible's own teachings, an antichrist. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Yadda on Aug 14th, 2018 at 7:06pm James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Karnal wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 5:20pm:
Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him. . The God of the Old Testament taught that men [Israel] ought to change their ways, and seek God's righteousness. Jesus did not bring any fundamental new message to men. Jesus brought the same message to man, as was there, already, in the O.T., and in the laws of God. Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. Ezekiel 33:10 Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live? 11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. We ['conflicted' men] need a Saviour. We have been offered a Saviour. Jesus brought the same message to man, as was there, in the O.T. He brought it, in his flesh. Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. As per...... Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. All Torah law statutes.... Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother All of the above were quoted by Jesus, from the book(s) of the law, the Torah ['the laws of Moses'], Exodus 20:12-16 Deuteronomy 5:16-20 And including, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. From, Leviticus 19:18 |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 14th, 2018 at 8:50pm
I could not agree more, Y. Our prophet's teachings were not new, but they were masterfully defined by His own actions. Yeheshua lived the teachings.
There are many prophets, each of their time. I believe I have met a few. They all live a message of love. Yeheshua taught the truth of God, the defining force of Creation, the Alpha and the Omega. I don't think this message changes. It is, as Saul, and Solomon, and countless other prophets reflected, love. This message won't be defiled by anger, fear or hatred. We might forget it from time to time, but it exists in our hearts. And every now and then, a prophet comes along to remind us. God is love. Our path is love. Anything we might do or say is futile without it. Without love, there is no integrity. We are as meaningless as a resounding gong or clanging symbol. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 14th, 2018 at 9:58pm
Not a message that lives in Muslim hearts....
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 14th, 2018 at 10:19pm Frank wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
I wonder. What does the Quran say about love, peace, mercy and forgiveness, G? G's our resident Islamic scholar - after Moses, of course. He should know. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 14th, 2018 at 10:43pm Karnal wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 5:23pm:
Why won’t YOU do that though? Hmmmm? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 14th, 2018 at 10:45pm Karnal wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 10:19pm:
The Koran which advocates the physical abuse of your wife? The Koran which advocates the death of your enemy? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 14th, 2018 at 10:52pm Grendel wrote on Aug 11th, 2018 at 9:50pm:
I agree! NB. They’re probably the same person. I pray for the person behind the id/ids. It’s not easy when one reads the brain washed rants of these paedophile and death cult followers. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 14th, 2018 at 10:53pm
Anyway...
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 14th, 2018 at 11:45pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 10:43pm:
Hmmmm? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 14th, 2018 at 11:53pm Karnal wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 11:45pm:
Yes. That’s right. How is it that you don’t encourage yourself to follow Christ? When one follows Christ, one follows His teachings. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Lisa Jones on Aug 14th, 2018 at 11:54pm
When one follows Christ one follows His teachings.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by aquascoot on Aug 15th, 2018 at 6:14am
to follow christ is to "voluntarily pick up ones cross and carry it with nobility and without complaint".
thats a tough gig. most people could never do that. one look at the palestinians would reveal a people who cannot accept "suffering with nobility". one look at the philosophy behind socialism would reveal that socialism is all about complaining and being 'upset that other people have it better then you". christ says (and he said it often ), from those who have nothing, even that will be taken, to those who have much, even more will be given. he also spoke a lot about "cup runneth over". there isnt one successful muslim democracy on the planet and there isnt one successful socialist country on the planet. because they dont understand this basic principle of how the world functions. you have to be noble, you have to accept suffering, you have to keep grinding away up that hill. and if you do that, you will transcend the suffering and the universe will reward you as a sentient being worthy of being rewarded. now some muslims and socialists act in accordance with the hero mythology of christ and some christians are counterfeit christains and seek to complain and whine when things dont go their way. the bible was very specific on this. when the israelites were in the desert and they kept complaining to moses , god deserted them when you complain, you lose. the bible and the koran were also very specific on the "call to adventure'. all thru the bible old men are told to get out of their houses and grow the hell up. and the call to haj is a call to "expand your personal envelope". Moses, study christ as a mythological hero. karnal and bwian are like the devil trying to tempt you the way the devil tried to engage with jesus when he was in the desert for 40 days. they are trying to throw you off your game. they are telling you to be weak and get into a silly pissing competition online. the glory of being noble and of continuing to grind it out despite the distractions is the course you should follow. dont engage with people who are malevolent there is a warning not to cast "pearl before swine". continue up the "narrow road to success" and forget the petty people who would see you fall onto the slippery slope to the bottom |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 15th, 2018 at 5:37pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 11:53pm:
That's right, dear. One practices His teachings. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 15th, 2018 at 5:41pm Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 14th, 2018 at 11:54pm:
What a shame, Moses doesn't, Lisa. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 15th, 2018 at 5:42pm aquascoot wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 6:14am:
I think Moses is struggling to study Christ at all. Aquascoot. Throughout this thread, Moses has indicated that Christ is an example of spineless apologism, resulting in the death of little girls like the photo in the OP. Tellingly, Moses has declined to speculate on whether he would allow such a girl to take refuge on our Christian soil. Would you? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 15th, 2018 at 7:12pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Do you follow Christ, Bwian? Or Mohammed? Or just your own dim light? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 15th, 2018 at 10:40pm Frank wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
I am a humanist, Soren. I had my belief in Christ beaten out of me decades ago by the Brothers. What about you? What religion do you follow? The Old Gods perhaps? You know, Odin All Father, Thor, Loki, all the fun crowd in Valhalla? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 16th, 2018 at 9:40am Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 10:40pm:
The old boy's a Christian or an atheist, depending on his audience. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 16th, 2018 at 6:03pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 10:40pm:
Ah, the Judeo-Christian ethos without Christ and the Church. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Aug 16th, 2018 at 6:04pm Karnal wrote on Aug 16th, 2018 at 9:40am:
Your Alzheimer is getting noticeably worse, Paki. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Aug 16th, 2018 at 6:26pm Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2018 at 6:03pm:
Who is that has in their .signature, "I like your Christ but I don't like your Christians" (or words to that effect)? I much prefer to believe in morality of Christianity than a non-existent God. Tsk, tsk, Frank, I note you've not denied you believe in the Old Gods. I wonder why? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Aug 16th, 2018 at 9:04pm Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2018 at 6:04pm:
Or a disciple of Martin Luther. Correct me if I'm wrong, old boy. Chop chop. We wouldn't want to misrepresent your superior culture, now would we? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Oct 16th, 2018 at 1:07pm |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Oct 16th, 2018 at 10:43pm
I don't know anyone who doesn't condemn ISIS in the strongest possible terms, Moses. As Tony Abbott said, they're worse than the Nazis, who recognised their barbarity by trying to hide their crimes. ISIS is actually proud of theirs.
Perhaps worse is their hypocrisy. They claim moral superiority by enforcing their militant Islamic rules, then disobey them themselves by engaging in mass gang rapes, pillaging, torturing and mass murder. Members of ISIS have acknowledged this when caught. Their crimes are completely against Islam. ISIS is, I think, the most barbaric movement we've seen. They stand with the Khmer Rouge and other death cults. Many Muslims think they're an anti-Muslim fabrication to tar Islam. They're not, of course, but they're Muslims by name only. Right now, there's a purge going on in Iraq. Anyone accused of being in ISIS is arrested and executed. There are too many of them to conduct proper trials, so innocent people are being executed. Tbis is the problem with your hate-them ban-them kill-them plan. Innocent people get swept up too. We're talking quite a few thousands of people here, so It's no small thing. In this case, it's Muslim Iraqis doing the banning and killing, so perhaps your prophecy is coming true. Muslims are purging the evil in their midst, but with one difference: they are not being assisted by the apologists. Like you, we can only stand back and watch with horror. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Oct 16th, 2018 at 10:46pm
Hate them, ban them, kill them.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by gandalf on Oct 17th, 2018 at 2:51pm Karnal wrote on Oct 16th, 2018 at 10:43pm:
You're trying to convince moses there is such a thing as an "innocent muslim"? Don't waste your time K. Though to be fair to moses, I don't think he's ever actually advocated any version of the 'ban-them kill-them' plan. tar them all with the same brush, collective guilt - yes, but not actual banning. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Oct 17th, 2018 at 5:55pm polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2018 at 2:51pm:
Oh. Did I mix him up with FD? Sorry, Moses. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Oct 17th, 2018 at 6:30pm Karnal wrote on Oct 16th, 2018 at 10:43pm:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#Allegations_of_state_support |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Yadda on Oct 17th, 2018 at 10:36pm polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2018 at 2:51pm:
Show us all the innocent ISLAM gandalf. You know.... The ISLAM, without the blood soaked, rapist [and revered by all moslems] Mohammed. The ISLAM, without the Koran [the Koran which commands its followers to fight and kill 'SATANIC' disbelievers]. The ISLAM, without ISLAMIC law [and its commands to kill The innocent ISLAM gandalf. Oh, and by the way gandalf, QUESTION; What is the definition, of a 'moslem' again ? . Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1517662538/0#0 Quote:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 18th, 2018 at 1:46pm
Yadda, why don't you show us the innocent CHRISTIANITY?
You know, the Christianity, without the history of the Inquisition? You know, the Christianity, without the history of the 30 Years War? You know, the Christianity, without the imperialism of the European powers? You know, the Christianity, without the history of Slavery? You know, the Christianity, without the rape of believers and non-believers? You know, the Christianity, without the murder of believers and non-believers? You know, the Christianity, without the genocide of believers and non-believers? You know, the Christianity, without the destruction of entire cultures or societies? You know, the Christianity, without the kiddie-fiddling of the Clergy? Tsk, tsk, quite a bloody history there amongst the Christians, obeying their Christian teachings, now isn't there, Yadda? Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you like to point the bone but you refuse to answer the points made against your favourite religion, hey, Bigot? ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Oct 18th, 2018 at 3:20pm
ISIS can justify every single atrocity they commit in the name of islam, they can quote the qur'an chapter and verse which they [sarc]*misinterpret*[/sarc].
The world is fighting islamic terrorism (religious terrorism). The only way to achieve lasting peace is to thoroughly review the evil in the qur'an (the very cause and motivation of islamic religious terrorism). It is a book full of lies and false promises used to urge muslims to commit human rights atrocities. muslims who are daily committing the most inhumane of depravities, are totally convinced they are indeed the highest grade of muslim, who has jumped the queue to get his share of hour'is and little boys. It's an absolute truth that the qur'an is the problem, right here, right now, the 21st century, 2018. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 18th, 2018 at 3:31pm
Christians can justify every single atrocity they commit in the name of Christianity, they can quote The Bible chapter and verse which they [sarc]*misinterpret*[/sarc].
The world is fighting Christian terrorism (religious terrorism). The only way to achieve lasting peace is to thoroughly review the evil in The Bible (the very cause and motivation of Christian religious terrorism). It is a book full of lies and false promises used to urge Christians to commit human rights atrocities. Christians who are daily committing the most inhumane of depravities, are totally convinced they are indeed the highest grade of Christian, who has jumped the queue to get his share of Angels and little boys. It's an absolute truth that The Bible is the problem, right here, right now, the 21st century, 2018. Tsk, tsk. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2018 at 4:00pm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Yadda on Oct 18th, 2018 at 6:04pm brian, As a Doctor of Divinity, as i know that you claim to be, http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1487646898/242#242 , and with such accusations as you have made in Reply #504, i felt sure that you would have quoted Jesus, in urging his followers to initiate an Inquisition against disbelievers, and to enslave disbelievers, and to murder disbelievers, and to destroy the cultures and societies of disbelievers. ??? Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. 26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; 27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: And what was Jesus advice regarding those who demanded the recognition of preeminence in HIS church ? e.g. Popes??? 'Papa'? "....And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." "...But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in." Matthew 23:1-13 What did Jesus say about how to worship God ? John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. And regarding a congregation building 'palaces', for church leaders to conduct prayers in ? Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. These places, are places which speak to the power and to the prestige, of men. Whereas; The God of the Bible, again, and again, [in the books of the prophets] urges those who worship and seek HIM, to worship HIM, with righteousness, in leading righteous lives. And to obey the commandments he gave us, as guide, in our lives. Never old. IMAGE.... |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Yadda on Oct 18th, 2018 at 6:05pm bump |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 18th, 2018 at 6:13pm Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2018 at 6:04pm:
Yes, I am, Yadda. I have the letters after my name. What qualifications do you have, out of a matter of interest, beyond being supposedly a "believer"? Quote:
Who cares what Jesus said, Yadda? No one believes in what he said, it seems. Christians in particular and you being one of the worst in these fora. Tsk. tsk. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Yadda on Oct 18th, 2018 at 6:24pm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
Me ? I'm just a simple man, brian. In school, i learned how to write my name, and i learned how to count from 1 to 10, and i know which way is up. Just a simple man. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 18th, 2018 at 8:23pm Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2018 at 6:24pm:
It shows, Yadda, it shows. What a shame a "simple man" like you cannot learn, hey? Learn that Muslims are human beings, the overwhelming majority of whom just want to go about there normal business, not harming anybody, obeying the law and enjoying life, in exactly the same way as everybody else. Their only difference is that they worship a different god. What a shame you cannot learn to leave people and their beliefs alone, hey, Yadda? Tsk, tsk. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Oct 19th, 2018 at 4:53pm
muslims are human beings who 100% support the qur'an in its' present form as being the infallible unchangeable words of allah.
jihadist muslims proudly profess the chapters and verses in the qur'an which cause urge and motivate their degenerate depravity, when they commit the foulest deeds imaginable against innocent human beings. Support of the cause urgings and motivation equates to support of the islamic terrorism engendered. Where are the muslims who are publically calling for the purging of said cause and motivation of islamic terrorism from the qur'an? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19th, 2018 at 5:02pm
Christians are human beings who 100% support The Bible in its' present form as being the infallible unchangeable words of God.
Fundamentalist Christians proudly profess the chapters and verses in The Bible (usually the King James version) which cause urge and motivate their degenerate depravity, when they commit the foulest deeds imaginable against innocent human beings. Support of the cause urgings and motivation equates to support of the Christian terrorism engendered. Where are the Christians who are publically calling for the purging of said cause and motivation of Christian terrorism from The Bible? ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Oct 19th, 2018 at 5:16pm
You've made a bit of a mistake, Christians who are following Christ know that certain parts of the O.T. were superseded 2018 years ago.
Anyone today 2018 who commits evil deeds are rejected by Him. They lose their Christian status. That is the teachings of Christ. Conversely: muslims who follow muhammad know with absolutely certainty that they are told to commit atrocities against the unbeliever apostates and hypocrites today right now 2018. So we are back to the absolute truth which is: men who commit atrocities are disobeying Christ. muslims who commit atrocities are 100% obeying the teachings of muhammad. Why are you so afraid of the truth? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19th, 2018 at 7:18pm moses wrote on Oct 19th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
Really, Moses? Then why do Christians keep the Old Testament as an integral part of their Bible? Why do they still use the Old Testament to teach Christians? Why do they obey the Old Testament, hey? Oh, and you're assuming there was a year zero there, Moses. There wasn't. Quote:
Really? Is that why so few Christians were ever ejected from the Church for committing atrocities? For massacring, murdering, raping, stealing and so on? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Seems there are Christians who should not be called Christians but are, by their fellow Christians. Funny that, Moses. Tsk, tsk. There are millions of examples since the (supposed) death of your Christ. Do we need to recount the history, yet again? Oh, dearie, dearie, me! ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Yadda on Oct 19th, 2018 at 7:22pm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
brian, Are you concealing the fact, that in RL you are a speech writer, ...for a pollie ? They too, can write, and speak, and spread, shameless lies ! "....and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." -------- > . LIES, LIES, LIES.... "....the overwhelming majority of whom just want to go about there normal business, not harming anybody, obeying the law and enjoying life, in exactly the same way as everybody else." - brian ------- > Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1517662538/0#0 Quote:
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. IMAGE... THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST, 2006, IN LONDON READ..... "Slay those who insult Islam" "Behead those who insult Islam" "Massacre those who insult Islam" "Butcher those who mock Islam" "Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way" "Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way" "Exterminate those who slander Islam" "Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer" "Islam will dominate the world" "Freedom go to hell" "Europe take some lessons from 9/11" "Be prepared for the real Holocaust" "BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders" . Here is what an 'Aussie' moslem, who is living among us today, in Australia, said in a public space. He is speaking about the serious religious obligation of every individual, within Australian moslem community.... Google; This nation has been and will continue to be a nation of Jihad until Judgement day, "Ismail Al Wahwah" . Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0 Quote:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Oct 19th, 2018 at 7:42pm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
They keep the OT in the Bible because the NT is the fulfilment of thee prophesies of the OT. They do not obey the OT on matters the NT speaks about. How stupid can you be with a Dictorate in Divinity (second class postage)? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19th, 2018 at 9:17pm Yadda wrote on Oct 19th, 2018 at 7:22pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Thank you for the compliment. I am no Toby Ziegler. I am a simple, well educated person, nothing more, Yadda. Unlike you, I do not tell "lies". If I have "lied", you should find it very easy to refute what I have said. Here, you can put your proof that I have "lied", right here: Quote:
Off you go, Lets see what you can do to prove I have "knowingly told an untruth". ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19th, 2018 at 9:22pm Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2018 at 7:42pm:
What they do is obey the Old Testament when they want to, Soren, usually when they are committing some atrocity, right? Tsk, tsk, such hypocrites, just like you, right? How unsurprising. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Oct 19th, 2018 at 10:14pm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
You are a simple, uneducated person who tells lies, Bwian. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Oct 19th, 2018 at 10:15pm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2018 at 9:22pm:
Not right, simple, uneducateed thicko liar. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 20th, 2018 at 3:51pm Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2018 at 10:14pm:
Really, Soren? Where is your evidence that I have "knowingly told an untruth"? Here is a space for you to prove I have told "lies", lets see it: Quote:
Looking to seeing your evidence. Or will you scuttle away like most who have made that claim, Soren? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 20th, 2018 at 3:52pm Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2018 at 10:15pm:
Have you written something relevant? Have you written something useful? Nope, doesn't appear so. Tsk, tsk, what a waste of time you are, Soren. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Oct 20th, 2018 at 4:56pm
forky tongue wrote: Reply #518 - Yesterday at 7:18pm
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Why shouldn't they? The O.T. contains ancient parts that were superseded by the crucifixion of Christ. Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it. It also contains the parts which are quiet relevant to Christians today 2018. The coliseums are still kept and maintained by various govt. departments, by your logic they must still be feeding Christians to the lions today 2018. The temples of South America where the ancient people practiced human sacrifice are kept and maintained by the Government, by your logic they therefore must still be practicing human sacrifice. Quote:
You must like reading the various verses which refute your claim that people who commit atrocities are Christians. It's been done to death but here we go again: Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Men will teach their own commands as doctrine, they will do many things in Christs' name, but he will reject them as they were workers of iniquity So once again your lies have been demolished by simply quoting the one irrefutable adjudicator of Christianity,(the Word of Christ) So what now, another zillion pages of you posting the commandments of men to try and prove your lie, that men who commit atrocities are indeed Christians? The commands of men don't count, the absolute supreme authority of Christianity is the Word Of Christ. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Frank on Oct 20th, 2018 at 5:51pm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 3:52pm:
Have you, spineless apologist? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 20th, 2018 at 6:59pm Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 5:51pm:
Have you written something relevant? Have you written something useful? Nope, doesn't appear so. Tsk, tsk, what a waste of time you are, Soren. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 20th, 2018 at 7:07pm moses wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
'cause you keep proclaiming to us that they pay no attention to The Old Testament, Moses. Oh, just how contradictory and hypocritical can you get? Tsk, tsk. ::) ::) Quote:
Such as the 10 Commandments, I take it? You know the 10 Commandments which you keep disobeying, Moses. Tsk, tsk. Such a hypocrite. ::) ::) Quote:
No, they do not, Moses. Nor would I suggest that they do. They are kept as examples of ancient architecture of Ancient and Renaissance civilisations (respectively), not as living, working, breathing human sacrifice chambers. Your hypocrisy appears to know no bounds, hey, Moses? ::) ::) Quote:
You must like reading the various verses which refute your claim that people who commit atrocities are Christians.[/quote] No, you must fear reading about the bloody history of Christianity and Christians though, Moses. Atrocities, committed en masse' by your fellow believers in Christ and not one of them ever ejected from the Church, not one condemned for their actions. Tsk, tsk, such is the hypocrisy of Christianity. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Bobby on Oct 20th, 2018 at 7:11pm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 7:07pm:
The Spanish Inquisition was based on text from the Bible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g76LwvbBEI There is one faith and all else is sin. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Yadda on Oct 20th, 2018 at 9:42pm @ Reply #531 I wish that you would not post material like that bobby. In doing it, you are blaspheming the name of the LORD, and insulting God's Word [the bible]. But it is your choice to do that, bobby. Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 2:00pm Yadda wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 9:42pm:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Oct 21st, 2018 at 2:50pm
All the disinformation in the world will not challenge the Christians faith, in fact it will strengthen it.
The law of the O,T. was finished with the crucifixion of Christ. Men would commit evil deeds in His name, they are not Christians He rejects them. I have posted the relevant verses which state this a thousand time (so I presume there's no need to post again). The lies sniveling and sneaking against true Christians was also predicted. Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. So the true Christians are not in the least bit worried about fallacious disinformation, about the evil deeds of men who disobeyed the words of Christ, they are not Christians. Instead they then remember the above verses which predict the lies and hatred of the anti-Christ movement, it then just becomes one more thing to strengthen their belief. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Yadda on Oct 21st, 2018 at 2:51pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 2:00pm:
"But it is your choice to do that, bobby." - Yadda n.b. Auggie, I said that, in Australia, out of respect to bobby's freedom of conscience. But they do NOT say that, in places like 'the land of the pure believer', aka Pakistan. Have a look... http://www.jihadwatch.org/category/pakistan/ You seek to condemn me, as being a hypocrite. Q. Why is it that you are so, so reluctant to condemn, the lying, and deceitful, followers of ISLAM, Auggie ? Q. Why is it that you are so, so willing to defend those, who promote violent religious bigotry [the followers of ISLAM], Auggie ? Matthew 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 2:57pm Yadda wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 2:51pm:
I condemn people who break the law or those who do harm. I don't condemn people for holdings thoughts and beliefs. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Oct 21st, 2018 at 3:14pm
forky tongue wrote: Reply #530 - Yesterday at 7:07pm
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Uh oh another lie on your part I keep *proclaiming* the law was finished forked tongue. Quote:
Here we go again for the zillionth time: Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Men will make their own rules and teach them as the doctrine, they will say they are Christians and have done things in His name. It will all be to no avail as they are rejected by the Word of Christ. But no worries forky tongue your modus operandi of hatred and lies against the followers Of Christ was also predicted: Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. That's you to a T Brian, you're the living proof of the evil which Christ predicted would be cast against Christians. Oh and you still can't disprove this one simple truth: Men who commit atrocities are disobeying Christ. muslims who commit the foulest of depravities are following the teachings of muhammad in the qur'an. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 3:42pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Judging by your sig, you do condemn people for thoughts or beliefs, just sayin'. What do they call people that contradict themselves like that? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 21st, 2018 at 5:15pm moses wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 2:50pm:
So, all the claims about the 10 Commandments are false, then, Moses? My, how interesting. Tsk, tsk, we all know you're bullshitting. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Brian Ross on Oct 21st, 2018 at 5:25pm moses wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 2:50pm:
And yet all their fellow Christians appear to accept them, just as you do, Moses. Tsk, tsk, call yourself a good Christian? What about the 10 Commandments? What about "love thy neighbour"? Things which you ignore about the core of your own Religion. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Nothing like a hypocrite in religion, thank goodness. ::) |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 5:27pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 3:42pm:
At some point, Set, we all have to acknowledge that some ideas are just inherently wrong, for e.g. like slavery or oppressing women. For some reason, we just can't seem to get over anti-semitism, far-right extremism and homophobia. And there's plenty of all of these on the forum. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 5:27pm:
What do we call these people that say one thing when it suits them but say another at other times? Hypobaric? Nah.. Hypocausts, hypochondriacs, hypogonads... What is that word I'm looking for? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:27pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 5:27pm:
Yet you stick up for a culture and religion that epitomises what you think is inherently wrong. What's that word I'm looking for, help me out. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:39pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:27pm:
What culture is that? Islamic culture? What is Islamic culture? Kebabs and shisha? Speaking Arabic to Hussein whilst drinking Turkish coffee? Seems pretty harmless to me. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:39pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:17pm:
I'm not sure. Perhaps you care to be more specific? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:44pm
I've got it I think... hypocrinism! No, still not right but I must be getting close. Do you know the word I'm looking for Auggie? Can you say if you've heard of it?
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:47pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:44pm:
I'm not sure, Set. Perhaps you could tell me what I said and then we can go from there. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:06pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:44pm:
You still haven't answer this question: Do you support administrative detention for all Muslims in Australia? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:14pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:06pm:
Why do you think I have to answer any question you ask? Have you stopped beating your wife? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:15pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:47pm:
You know what I'm talking about, it's only one page back... Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Judging by your sig, you do condemn people for thoughts or beliefs, just sayin'. What do they call people that contradict themselves like that? Your sig is: Quote:
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:25pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:14pm:
You haven't even answered the question at all, even the way you want to. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:28pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:15pm:
No, sorry, you're right. I do condemn Nazis, bigots, homophobes, Islamophobes and other peoples. I also condemn people who hold extremist views about any religion or ideology. I've answered your question to your satisfaction, now answer mine: "Do you support administrative detention for Muslims in Australia?" |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:35pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:25pm:
I did, just not to your satisfaction. My answer as you well know was something like "why would you even listen to Yadda". From this you asked me the question do I agree with him, how you could make that connection is beyond me but you did. You have read what I have posted here since you joined and I don't think I need to answer that question, it's a ridiculous question. As I said in feedback, show me anything that I have posted that would remotely allow you to edit my post as you did there. It's almost like you are trying to get me to return to being a gmod in that thread. I will never answer it considering what you posted in feedback. Have you stopped beating your wife? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:40pm
Now what was that word I was looking for? Hypocrite! Got it! Yay.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:42pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:35pm:
Honestly, I don't know what's so hard about answering this question. If you genuinely believed no, you'd simply just say 'no'. Those who don't want to answer directly have something to hide. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:43pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:40pm:
Do you think it's hypocrisy to not equivocate Nazism with Islamism? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:54pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:42pm:
What was it you said? Let me quote and you will realise why I will never answer your question. Quote:
Sorry mate, not going to answer on those terms. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:56pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:43pm:
I'm saying it is hypocrisy to say you do not judge on thoughts or beliefs then do exactly that. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:04pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:56pm:
I'll ask the question again: "Do you think that it's hypocrisy to NOT equivocate Nazism with Islamism? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:07pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:04pm:
Ask it 'til your arse turns blue. Hypocrite. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:25pm
Given up already Auggie? Come on, don't take no for an answer. Push your point. Tell me your arse has turned blue.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:31pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:25pm:
You say that I'm a hypocrite because I condemn far-right extremism but don't condemn Islamic extremism? This is wrong assessment. I condemn people on the Forum for pushing measures that would seek to deprive innocent Muslims in Australia of their basic civil rights, such as administrative detention. I condemn politicians who use the words Final Solution in their speech to Parliament. There are many peaceful and law-abiding Muslims in Australia who don't deserve the denigration that they are receiving from people on this Forum. Condemning people simply because they may or may not hold an extremist belief is simply authoritarian. We don't know if people hold these beliefs or not. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:33pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:54pm:
Then I will take your refusal to answer as the affirmative - that you support Yadda's proposal, and I will continue to use this against you, and I will continue to publicly claim that you support this position when I see fit until you give me an honest answer. Don't say I didn't warn you. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:33pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:31pm:
Not at all, I call you a hypocrite because you say you do not judge people on thoughts or beliefs, which you obviously do and state you do in your sig. The rest of your post is hyperbole trying to justify it. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:34pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:33pm:
Should I not judge a person who believes that slavery is morally acceptable? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:35pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:33pm:
Only a fool would take that as an affirmative. Imagine a justice system designed by you. Feel free to review my posts as Cu or Setanta and analyse them for what you seem to think is true. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:36pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:35pm:
This isn't a court of law: it's an online Forum. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:39pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Sure, if you believe them wrong. You should also judge cultures in the same way. If you did that you would never defend Islam. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:41pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:36pm:
That is true but who in the west would accept the totalitarian view you have put forward. You came here talking about constitutional reform and how to make govt better, then you sink to this. You have no place in designing govt. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:43pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:39pm:
Culture is not monolithic and neither is religion, and there are also subcultures within cultures etc.. When judging cultures and religions we need to look at how people practise the culture and religion. When you say 'Islam', what are you referring to exactly? Are you referring to Wahabbhism? Or are you referring to the Islam that Gandalf practises? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:44pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:41pm:
This isn't government, Set. This is an online Forum with no real world or legal implications. And you seem happy to accept FD's totalitarian actions when it comes to banning members arbitrarily. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:51pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:44pm:
I've already said this is not govt. I have commented on your view of govt and constitutional reform when you joined this forum, which is private property, and the way you have changed your views. You were bent on constitutional reform and how we should be governed, hence my comment about "Imagine a justice system designed by you". You have never been competent in designing govt or how people should be governed. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:54pm Auggie wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:43pm:
You may say that but when followers of a cultural, religious and political creed do the same thing the world over... Now tell me where the masses are baying for freedom, equality, tolerance in any Islamic country. What is the common denominator? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Cu Chullain on Oct 21st, 2018 at 10:19pm
No more Auggie? Well I've demolished my 21 standard drinks for the day, I guess it's time to call intermission. Until next time.
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Oct 22nd, 2018 at 2:33pm Study: More Than Half of Asylum Seekers in Italy Are Mentally Ill — ‘Prone to Aggressive Behaviour’ 25 Oct 2017 The majority of third world-origin migrants living in Italy suffer from mental disorders which make them prone to “aggressive behaviour” and “psychotic episodes”, according to a study by psychologists. African Migrants Riot Against 'Racist' Italians, Warn 'Allah Will Guide Us in Revenge' Laura Baccaro, chair of Street Psychologists — the Padua-based nonprofit which carried out the study alongside Draghi — said the purpose of the research was to understand mental health problems suffered by asylum seekers and to recommend ways in which these can be dealt with “Investigating asylum seekers, we found most of them to be showing symptoms of an extremely serious disorder that inevitably becomes fertile terrain for aggressive attitudes that then lead to problems such as refusal to integrate,” she said. Noting research which showed black people in Britain suffer psychoses at six to nine times the rate of White Britons, It's just bloody marvelous how the muzzies are psychos. Take the Jews they were scattered against their will all over the planet, until they were given their own state in the 20th century. They just kept to themselves steadfast in their religion and lived peacefully wherever they were. Conversely we have muslims fleeing of their own accord all over the planet and all they are is nothing but trouble. Maybe it's destiny, they have been the most evil people imaginable against the non muslim for 1400 years with their Dhimmitude, persecution of non muslims, the abusive treatment of non muslim females, etc. Maybe their inbreeding and obsession with the qur'an / muhammad as the guide to living has just finally put them right where they are, at the bottom of the societal ladder. Their homelands nothing but a pile of rubble and living in camps depending on the non muslim for their existence. allah is the best deceiver. Says' it all. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Karnal on Oct 22nd, 2018 at 3:30pm
Muzzles?
Come come, Moses, they're tinted. |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Auggie on Oct 22nd, 2018 at 5:27pm Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 9:54pm:
You could make the same argument for all countries in Latin America. Look at the mass poverty that exist there. Do you attribute that to Catholicism, or is there something else at play here? What about South East Asia? |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by Yadda on Oct 22nd, 2018 at 5:28pm @ Reply #575 Another cogent reason moses, why we must quarantine from our society of ALL THOSE persons who belong to, and follow, ISLAM. Because ISLAM is a vicious, deceitful, murderous death cult. ------ > http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536141258/46#46 Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1539437310/32#32 Quote:
. IMAGE..... Young Muslim boys tell Dutch volunteer: ‘If we dominate here, all of you will be beheaded,’ Yadda said..... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1540078358/4#4 http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/0#0 |
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Title: Re: Says it all Post by moses on Oct 24th, 2018 at 2:24pm
Young Muslim boys tell Dutch volunteer: “If we dominate here, all of you will be beheaded”
Posted by EU Times on Oct 18th, 2018 // A former Shell CEO, who volunteers in giving education to migrants in the Netherlands, gave some shocking examples of his experiences with them. For 15 years, the 78-year-old Dominic Boot gave Dutch lessons to migrants in a The Hague suburb called “De Schilderswijk He had to quit there, after he was no longer welcome in the local citizens centre because Muslim women didn’t want a man as their teacher. He gives examples of how the neighbourhood Islamised after women with black headscarves arrived and about the young generation as well. Two young Muslim boys assured him once: “If we dominate here, all of you will be beheaded,” Boot says. The sick leftards all support this kind of thing, they want to bring more of them here. SAYS' IT ALL. |
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