Nauru refugee who set himself on fire dies in Brisbane hospital
ABC News 29 April 2016

An Iranian refugee who set himself on fire at the Nauru detention centre has died in a Brisbane hospital, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has confirmed. :(

The 23-year-old Iranian known as Omid was airlifted to Brisbane yesterday with third-degree burns to most of his torso.

In a statement, Mr Dutton said that "appropriate support" was being provided to his wife and friends of the man.

"The man was taken to Republic of Nauru Hospital for medical treatment by the Nauruan authorities," he said.

"He was then transferred to Australia by air ambulance for medical treatment.

"The man passed away this afternoon in a Brisbane hospital.

"The department expresses its sympathies to his wife, family and friends."

The death will be reported to the Queensland coroner.

Omid set himself on fire outside the Nauru detention centre on Wednesday.   :(

The incident coincided with a visit from three Canberra-based UNHCR staff, who all witnessed the man's actions.

The ABC understands the man has been on Nauru for three years.

The ABC spoke with a witness to the incident earlier this week, who said Omid got distressed during a meeting with UNHCR staff.

"He got very angry and distressed and burnt himself," she said.

"None of them helped. None of them called an ambulance, they just called the police and ran away.

"Doctors didn't know what to do. They didn't have supplies to help him."

Mr Dutton confirmed earlier this week that there had been other incidents of self-harm at the centre.   :(

"There have been other incidents where people have self-harmed or sought to self-harm," he said.
Government policy 'leaving people desperate'

Labor's immigration spokesman Richard Marles described the death as "an absolute tragedy".

Mr Marles said Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull had to act quickly in response.

"It is clear that the Turnbull Government's policy, focused only on deterrence with no feasible pathway to permanent migration in a resettlement country is leaving people desperate and without hope," he said.

"Mr Turnbull must urgently seek a viable agreement to resolve the fate of people on Manus Island and Nauru."

Greens immigration spokeswoman Sarah Hanson-Young has also responded to the death.

Senator Hanson-Young directed her comments on social media towards Mr Turnbull, tweeting "yes Prime Minister I am misty-eyed as I can only imagine his loved ones are too".

Mr Turnbull yesterday stated that Australia could not afford to be "misty-eyed" over border security issues.

Hope he gets deported. We don't want pyromaniacs in this country

Those Brisbane hospitals.... wow.. just wow....

i think i heard he had 90 % burns.
that is usually not a survivable injury.
The RBH is the largest hospital in the southern hemisphere but you cant survive a 90 % burn

aquascoot wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

i think i heard he had 90 % burns. that is usually not a survivable injury. The RBH is the largest hospital in the southern hemisphere but you cant survive a 90 % burn

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The RBH has one of the finest burns Units in this Country.

More blood on the hands of these stinking neo-cons.

They deserve to hang!

Operative word here is "refugee" - he had actually been assessed to be a genuine refugee.

He fled persecution seeking our help to find a better life. We ferked with him - simply because the politicians don't want to lose votes. The fact that we signed an international agreement to help people like him doesn't matter. The fact that we determined that he was a genuine refugee doesn't matter.

And then the politicians wax lyrical about their concern for drownings at sea. What rot. There are no less people drowning or dying by using people smugglers: they just aren't coming to Australia now.

Hate to sound harsh but there's no one to blame here but himself.

You set yourself on fire. Chances are you'll die.

It's hardly an accident.

Anyone wants blame. Look at the bloke who started the fire.

Kat wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

More blood on the hands of these stinking neo-cons. They deserve to hang!

Was it "neo cons" who stood there filming him as he did it, without lifting a finger to prevent it?

We're just going to turn a blind eye to them are we?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Hate to sound harsh but there's no one to blame here but himself. You set yourself on fire. Chances are you'll die. It's hardly an accident. Anyone wants blame. Look at the bloke who started the fire.

Why did he start the fire, Mr Hicks?  (We all know he lit it.)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Hate to sound harsh

you're a rubbish liar Andrei.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Hate to sound harsh but there's no one to blame here but himself. You set yourself on fire. Chances are you'll die. It's hardly an accident. Anyone wants blame. Look at the bloke who started the fire.

I will remember that the next time Barnaby is crying about some farmer that has done himself in....No compassion for anyone desperate if they decide to kill themselves hey Andrei???

:-? :-? :-?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

There are no less people drowning or dying by using people smugglers: they just aren't coming to Australia now.

Which for me is the aim of a refugee deterrent.
These people aren't Australian, they aren't our problem.

Funny how he's assessed to be a refugee from Iran?

The same bunch of Islamic nut jobs we signed a treaty with to allow to build nuclear facilities directly threatening the state of Israel.
But I guess nobody looks at that bigger picture.

Aussie wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Hate to sound harsh but there's no one to blame here but himself. You set yourself on fire. Chances are you'll die. It's hardly an accident. Anyone wants blame. Look at the bloke who started the fire. Why did he start the fire, Mr Hicks?  (We all know he lit it.)

Quite frankly because he's an idiot.

Set yourself on fire then the family blame the Government.
Yeah sounds about right.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:50pm:

Funny how he's assessed to be a refugee from Iran? The same bunch of Islamic nut jobs

Thats funny, I thought he was fleeing said "Islamic nut jobs".

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:51pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:46pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Hate to sound harsh but there's no one to blame here but himself. You set yourself on fire. Chances are you'll die. It's hardly an accident. Anyone wants blame. Look at the bloke who started the fire. Why did he start the fire, Mr Hicks?  (We all know he lit it.) Quite frankly because he's an idiot. Set yourself on fire then the family blame the Government. Yeah sounds about right.

Lets lock you up for several years in the middle of nowhere with no prospect of release - even though you are determined to be a refugee. You might find then that setting yourself alight suddenly doesn't seem such an "idiotic" thing to do.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:35pm: There are no less people drowning or dying by using people smugglers: they just aren't coming to Australia now. Which for me is the aim of a refugee deterrent. These people aren't Australian, they aren't our problem. Funny how he's assessed to be a refugee from Iran? The same bunch of Islamic nut jobs we signed a treaty with to allow to build nuclear facilities directly threatening the state of Israel. But I guess nobody looks at that bigger picture.

Oh I see.  Anyone Iranian is a scumbag.  Now I get it Hicks.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:52pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:50pm: Funny how he's assessed to be a refugee from Iran? The same bunch of Islamic nut jobs Thats funny, I thought he was fleeing said "Islamic nut jobs".

So how can he be fleeing the same people we are saying are now ok trustworthy guys?
Which is it?

Are they nut jobs or stand up guys?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:55pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:51pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:46pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Hate to sound harsh but there's no one to blame here but himself. You set yourself on fire. Chances are you'll die. It's hardly an accident. Anyone wants blame. Look at the bloke who started the fire. Why did he start the fire, Mr Hicks?  (We all know he lit it.) Quite frankly because he's an idiot. Set yourself on fire then the family blame the Government. Yeah sounds about right. Lets lock you up for several years in the middle of nowhere with no prospect of release - even though you are determined to be a refugee. You might find then that setting yourself alight suddenly doesn't seem such an "idiotic" thing to do.

He's welcome to go somewhere else is my view.

I'm kind of done with this Muslim mob.

Anyone who stands up to Israelis stealing land in Arabia will do me as a stand up guy, Mr Hicks.

Aussie wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:02pm:

Anyone who stands up to Israelis stealing land in Arabia will do me as a stand up guy, Mr Hicks.

Iran doesn't. It threatens from afar.

Point stands if we are saying Iran are now good guys who we trust?
How can they be a regime where people need to run from for our shelter?
It doesn't add up.

Aussie wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:55pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:50pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:35pm: There are no less people drowning or dying by using people smugglers: they just aren't coming to Australia now. Which for me is the aim of a refugee deterrent. These people aren't Australian, they aren't our problem. Funny how he's assessed to be a refugee from Iran? The same bunch of Islamic nut jobs we signed a treaty with to allow to build nuclear facilities directly threatening the state of Israel. But I guess nobody looks at that bigger picture. Oh I see.  Anyone Iranian is a scumbag.  Now I get it Hicks.

Na it is more like anyone who is Islamic....It does not matter where they come from!!!

;) ;) ;)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:02pm: Anyone who stands up to Israelis stealing land in Arabia will do me as a stand up guy, Mr Hicks. Iran doesn't. It threatens from afar. Point stands if we are saying Iran are now good guys who we trust? How can they be a regime where people need to run from for our shelter? It doesn't add up.

Who is saying Iran are good guys Andrei???

:-? :-? :-?

Rip , we sincerely apoligise it had to be this way  >:(

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:02pm: Anyone who stands up to Israelis stealing land in Arabia will do me as a stand up guy, Mr Hicks. Iran doesn't. It threatens from afar. Point stands if we are saying Iran are now good guys who we trust? How can they be a regime where people need to run from for our shelter? It doesn't add up.

I have zero faith in the Iranian Government, but that does not convert per se to condemnation of an Iranian who has been granted refugee status.

As for a State to trust in Arabia.....my answer is.....not one of them, including and especially the artificial "State" of Israel, the Armed Robbers of Arab Land.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:55pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:50pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:35pm: There are no less people drowning or dying by using people smugglers: they just aren't coming to Australia now. Which for me is the aim of a refugee deterrent. These people aren't Australian, they aren't our problem. Funny how he's assessed to be a refugee from Iran? The same bunch of Islamic nut jobs we signed a treaty with to allow to build nuclear facilities directly threatening the state of Israel. But I guess nobody looks at that bigger picture. Oh I see.  Anyone Iranian is a scumbag.  Now I get it Hicks. Na it is more like anyone who is Islamic....It does not matter where they come from!!! ;) ;) ;)

You miss all the mutders of innocent people in Paris, Brussels lately Phil?
Great guys....

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:02pm: Anyone who stands up to Israelis stealing land in Arabia will do me as a stand up guy, Mr Hicks. Iran doesn't. It threatens from afar. Point stands if we are saying Iran are now good guys who we trust? How can they be a regime where people need to run from for our shelter? It doesn't add up. Who is saying Iran are good guys Andrei??? :-? :-? :-?

The Western world governments who just allowed them to develop nuclear facilities.
Despite the huge concerns of many and in particular Israel.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:55pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:50pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:35pm: There are no less people drowning or dying by using people smugglers: they just aren't coming to Australia now. Which for me is the aim of a refugee deterrent. These people aren't Australian, they aren't our problem. Funny how he's assessed to be a refugee from Iran? The same bunch of Islamic nut jobs we signed a treaty with to allow to build nuclear facilities directly threatening the state of Israel. But I guess nobody looks at that bigger picture. Oh I see.  Anyone Iranian is a scumbag.  Now I get it Hicks. Na it is more like anyone who is Islamic....It does not matter where they come from!!! ;) ;) ;) You miss all the mutders of innocent people in Paris, Brussels lately Phil? Great guys....

They were arsehole pricks from Belgium it seems.

We apoligise for using you as political pawns  >:(

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:17pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:02pm: Anyone who stands up to Israelis stealing land in Arabia will do me as a stand up guy, Mr Hicks. Iran doesn't. It threatens from afar. Point stands if we are saying Iran are now good guys who we trust? How can they be a regime where people need to run from for our shelter? It doesn't add up. Who is saying Iran are good guys Andrei??? :-? :-? :-? The Western world governments who just allowed them to develop nuclear facilities. Despite the huge concerns of many and in particular Israel.

I don't blame them given the interloper Israel is widely thought to be a nuclear power, even though it neither confirms nor denies that capacity.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:17pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:02pm: Anyone who stands up to Israelis stealing land in Arabia will do me as a stand up guy, Mr Hicks. Iran doesn't. It threatens from afar. Point stands if we are saying Iran are now good guys who we trust? How can they be a regime where people need to run from for our shelter? It doesn't add up. Who is saying Iran are good guys Andrei??? :-? :-? :-? The Western world governments who just allowed them to develop nuclear facilities. Despite the huge concerns of many and in particular Israel.

Not everyone agrees with that decision Andrei....However I hold Western Government in greater contempt than you!!!

>:( >:( >:(

It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power.
David Brin (1950 - )

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Hate to sound harsh but there's no one to blame here but himself. You set yourself on fire. Chances are you'll die. It's hardly an accident. Anyone wants blame. Look at the bloke who started the fire.

my thoughts exactly.

to deliberately self harm   must have the intention of killing oneself..

he got his wish....

funny how people who are killed by others..

dont seem to get half the sympathy from leftards do they...

all their sympathy is for .......people who arrive by UNREGISTERED boats...

funny even the seafarers Unions says nothing...

I bet they would if P&O tried it.. >:( >:(

cods wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:29pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:42pm: Hate to sound harsh but there's no one to blame here but himself. You set yourself on fire. Chances are you'll die. It's hardly an accident. Anyone wants blame. Look at the bloke who started the fire. my thoughts exactly. to deliberately self harm   must have the intention of killing oneself.. he got his wish.... funny how people who are killed by others.. dont seem to get half the sympathy from leftards do they... all their sympathy is for .......people who arrive by UNREGISTERED boats... funny even the seafarers Unions says nothing... I bet they would if P&O tried it.. >:( >:(

Oooooo, that post is gonna come back and bite you in the arse cods, I can guarantee it.  If I see anything sympathetic to suicide from you, I will shove that comment right back in your face.

wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

The incident coincided with a visit from three Canberra-based UNHCR staff, who all witnessed the man's actions.

wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

"None of them helped. None of them called an ambulance, they just called the police and ran away.

Gee those UNHCR guys were really helpful.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:52pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:50pm: Funny how he's assessed to be a refugee from Iran? The same bunch of Islamic nut jobs Thats funny, I thought he was fleeing said "Islamic nut jobs". So how can he be fleeing the same people we are saying are now ok trustworthy guys? Which is it? Are they nut jobs or stand up guys?

govt. ruled he was fleeing nut jobs ... that's why he was granted refugee status.

Of course, that doesn't mean all Islamic people are nut jobs. Just like not all south Africans are kaffas

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:17pm:

The Western world governments who just allowed them to develop nuclear facilities. Despite the huge concerns of many and in particular Israel.

Smartest thing they ever did. Maybe it'll end this endless war in the middle east once and for ever. Give them the ability to wipe each other and Israel out, and be done with it. Whoever came up with that policy was a genius.

Aussie wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:17pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:02pm: Anyone who stands up to Israelis stealing land in Arabia will do me as a stand up guy, Mr Hicks. Iran doesn't. It threatens from afar. Point stands if we are saying Iran are now good guys who we trust? How can they be a regime where people need to run from for our shelter? It doesn't add up. Who is saying Iran are good guys Andrei??? :-? :-? :-? The Western world governments who just allowed them to develop nuclear facilities. Despite the huge concerns of many and in particular Israel. I don't blame them given the interloper Israel is widely thought to be a nuclear power, even though it neither confirms nor denies that capacity.

How is Israel and interloper? how is it different to any other country in the region (other than being the only functioning liberal democracy)? Jordan is less an interloper, nor Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Lybia, ALgeria, Marocco, Tunesia, etc.

John Smith wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:48pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:17pm: The Western world governments who just allowed them to develop nuclear facilities. Despite the huge concerns of many and in particular Israel. Smartest thing they ever did. Maybe it'll end this endless war in the middle east once and for ever. Give them the ability to wipe each other and Israel out, and be done with it. Whoever came up with that policy was a genius.

Ah, but then where will the Israeli refugees go.  Andrei will not want them to head for Australia in leaky boats, shurely?

Aussie wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:48pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:17pm: The Western world governments who just allowed them to develop nuclear facilities. Despite the huge concerns of many and in particular Israel. Smartest thing they ever did. Maybe it'll end this endless war in the middle east once and for ever. Give them the ability to wipe each other and Israel out, and be done with it. Whoever came up with that policy was a genius. Ah, but then where will the Israeli refugees go.  Andrei will not want them to head for Australia in leaky boats, shurely?

May they can try Sudan? After all, they seem to like deserts

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:21pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:17pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:02pm: Anyone who stands up to Israelis stealing land in Arabia will do me as a stand up guy, Mr Hicks. Iran doesn't. It threatens from afar. Point stands if we are saying Iran are now good guys who we trust? How can they be a regime where people need to run from for our shelter? It doesn't add up. Who is saying Iran are good guys Andrei??? :-? :-? :-? The Western world governments who just allowed them to develop nuclear facilities. Despite the huge concerns of many and in particular Israel. I don't blame them given the interloper Israel is widely thought to be a nuclear power, even though it neither confirms nor denies that capacity. How is Israel and interloper? how is it different to any other country in the region (other than being the only functioning liberal democracy)? Jordan is less an interloper, nor Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Lybia, ALgeria, Marocco, Tunesia, etc.

Interloper = artificially created State in 1948.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:52pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:50pm: Funny how he's assessed to be a refugee from Iran? The same bunch of Islamic nut jobs Thats funny, I thought he was fleeing said "Islamic nut jobs". So how can he be fleeing the same people we are saying are now ok trustworthy guys? Which is it? Are they nut jobs or stand up guys?

It was your term Andrei, not mine. If you accept them to be "Islamic nutjobs" (which you do), then it makes no sense to lump them in the same basket as a person who is fleeing them.

Also LOL @ poor defenceless Israel with its arsenal of ~200 nukes

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

Also LOL @ poor defenceless Israel with its arsenal of ~200 nukes

nowhere near enough Gandalf, after all, the Arabs have at least 1000 women and kids between them.  :D :D

Is it to much to ask for one nuke for each?

John Smith wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 6:28pm: Also LOL @ poor defenceless Israel with its arsenal of ~200 nukes nowhere near enough Gandalf, after all, the Arabs have at least 1000 women and kids between them.  :D :D Is it to much to ask for one nuke for each?

Can you imagine how the entire World/Planet dynamic would change for the better if we gave Tasmania to Israel and it abandoned Arabia?  Who would be pissed off at that?  Win/win.

Aussie wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 6:33pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 6:28pm: Also LOL @ poor defenceless Israel with its arsenal of ~200 nukes nowhere near enough Gandalf, after all, the Arabs have at least 1000 women and kids between them.  :D :D Is it to much to ask for one nuke for each? Can you imagine how the entire World/Planet dynamic would change for the better if we gave Tasmania to Israel and it abandoned Arabia?  Who would be pissed off at that?  Win/win.

and where would the bogans go? I say we give them New Zealand, the kiwis are all  coming here anyway

John Smith wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 6:36pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 6:33pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 6:28pm: Also LOL @ poor defenceless Israel with its arsenal of ~200 nukes nowhere near enough Gandalf, after all, the Arabs have at least 1000 women and kids between them.  :D :D Is it to much to ask for one nuke for each? Can you imagine how the entire World/Planet dynamic would change for the better if we gave Tasmania to Israel and it abandoned Arabia?  Who would be pissed off at that?  Win/win. and where would the bogans go? I say we give them New Zealand, the kiwis are all  coming here anyway

That too is a win/win option I reckon.

Aussie wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 5:52pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:50pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:21pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:17pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:02pm: Anyone who stands up to Israelis stealing land in Arabia will do me as a stand up guy, Mr Hicks. Iran doesn't. It threatens from afar. Point stands if we are saying Iran are now good guys who we trust? How can they be a regime where people need to run from for our shelter? It doesn't add up. Who is saying Iran are good guys Andrei??? :-? :-? :-? The Western world governments who just allowed them to develop nuclear facilities. Despite the huge concerns of many and in particular Israel. I don't blame them given the interloper Israel is widely thought to be a nuclear power, even though it neither confirms nor denies that capacity. How is Israel and interloper? how is it different to any other country in the region (other than being the only functioning liberal democracy)? Jordan is less an interloper, nor Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Lybia, ALgeria, Marocco, Tunesia, etc. Interloper = artificially created State in 1948.

ALL the countries in the Middle East are artificially created - they were part of one defunct entity or another and so they were created, like Israel, by the victors of WWII.

There was no 'Syria' or Iraq' or 'Lebanon' or 'Pakistan', 'Bangladesh' or any of the rest of them

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:52pm: Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:50pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:21pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:17pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:02pm: Anyone who stands up to Israelis stealing land in Arabia will do me as a stand up guy, Mr Hicks. Iran doesn't. It threatens from afar. Point stands if we are saying Iran are now good guys who we trust? How can they be a regime where people need to run from for our shelter? It doesn't add up. Who is saying Iran are good guys Andrei??? :-? :-? :-? The Western world governments who just allowed them to develop nuclear facilities. Despite the huge concerns of many and in particular Israel. I don't blame them given the interloper Israel is widely thought to be a nuclear power, even though it neither confirms nor denies that capacity. How is Israel and interloper? how is it different to any other country in the region (other than being the only functioning liberal democracy)? Jordan is less an interloper, nor Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Lybia, ALgeria, Marocco, Tunesia, etc. Interloper = artificially created State in 1948. ALL the countries in the Middle East are artificially created - they were part of one defunct entity or another and so they were created, like Israel, by the victors of WWII. There was no 'Syria' or Iraq' or 'Lebanon' or 'Pakistan', 'Bangladesh' or any of the rest of them

And before that, Google Sykes-picot agreement.

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:37pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:52pm: Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:50pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:21pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:17pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:02pm: Anyone who stands up to Israelis stealing land in Arabia will do me as a stand up guy, Mr Hicks. Iran doesn't. It threatens from afar. Point stands if we are saying Iran are now good guys who we trust? How can they be a regime where people need to run from for our shelter? It doesn't add up. Who is saying Iran are good guys Andrei??? :-? :-? :-? The Western world governments who just allowed them to develop nuclear facilities. Despite the huge concerns of many and in particular Israel. I don't blame them given the interloper Israel is widely thought to be a nuclear power, even though it neither confirms nor denies that capacity. How is Israel and interloper? how is it different to any other country in the region (other than being the only functioning liberal democracy)? Jordan is less an interloper, nor Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Lybia, ALgeria, Marocco, Tunesia, etc. Interloper = artificially created State in 1948. ALL the countries in the Middle East are artificially created - they were part of one defunct entity or another and so they were created, like Israel, by the victors of WWII. There was no 'Syria' or Iraq' or 'Lebanon' or 'Pakistan', 'Bangladesh' or any of the rest of them And before that, Google Sykes-picot agreement.

The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island .

If you set fire to yourself stuff like this happens. Maybe he should of used less petrol? How did he get hold of petrol by the way??

Its time wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:37pm: Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:30pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:52pm: Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:50pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:21pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:17pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:02pm: Anyone who stands up to Israelis stealing land in Arabia will do me as a stand up guy, Mr Hicks. Iran doesn't. It threatens from afar. Point stands if we are saying Iran are now good guys who we trust? How can they be a regime where people need to run from for our shelter? It doesn't add up. Who is saying Iran are good guys Andrei??? :-? :-? :-? The Western world governments who just allowed them to develop nuclear facilities. Despite the huge concerns of many and in particular Israel. I don't blame them given the interloper Israel is widely thought to be a nuclear power, even though it neither confirms nor denies that capacity. How is Israel and interloper? how is it different to any other country in the region (other than being the only functioning liberal democracy)? Jordan is less an interloper, nor Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Lybia, ALgeria, Marocco, Tunesia, etc. Interloper = artificially created State in 1948. ALL the countries in the Middle East are artificially created - they were part of one defunct entity or another and so they were created, like Israel, by the victors of WWII. There was no 'Syria' or Iraq' or 'Lebanon' or 'Pakistan', 'Bangladesh' or any of the rest of them And before that, Google Sykes-picot agreement. The ME is for Arabs

It wasn't always Arab. The Arabs are interlopers, invaders, subjugators, oppressors and conquerers in the ME.


They just get apoplectic if anyone conquers BACK from them.

wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

Nauru refugee who set himself on fire dies in Brisbane hospital ABC News 29 April 2016 An Iranian refugee who set himself on fire at the Nauru detention centre has died in a Brisbane hospital, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has confirmed. :( The 23-year-old Iranian known as Omid was airlifted to Brisbane yesterday with third-degree burns to most of his torso. In a statement, Mr Dutton said that "appropriate support" was being provided to his wife and friends of the man. "The man was taken to Republic of Nauru Hospital for medical treatment by the Nauruan authorities," he said. "He was then transferred to Australia by air ambulance for medical treatment. "The man passed away this afternoon in a Brisbane hospital. "The department expresses its sympathies to his wife, family and friends." The death will be reported to the Queensland coroner. Omid set himself on fire outside the Nauru detention centre on Wednesday.   :( The incident coincided with a visit from three Canberra-based UNHCR staff, who all witnessed the man's actions. The ABC understands the man has been on Nauru for three years. The ABC spoke with a witness to the incident earlier this week, who said Omid got distressed during a meeting with UNHCR staff. "He got very angry and distressed and burnt himself," she said. "None of them helped. None of them called an ambulance, they just called the police and ran away. "Doctors didn't know what to do. They didn't have supplies to help him." Mr Dutton confirmed earlier this week that there had been other incidents of self-harm at the centre.   :( "There have been other incidents where people have self-harmed or sought to self-harm," he said. Government policy 'leaving people desperate' Labor's immigration spokesman Richard Marles described the death as "an absolute tragedy". Mr Marles said Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull had to act quickly in response. "It is clear that the Turnbull Government's policy, focused only on deterrence with no feasible pathway to permanent migration in a resettlement country is leaving people desperate and without hope," he said. "Mr Turnbull must urgently seek a viable agreement to resolve the fate of people on Manus Island and Nauru." Greens immigration spokeswoman Sarah Hanson-Young has also responded to the death. Senator Hanson-Young directed her comments on social media towards Mr Turnbull, tweeting "yes Prime Minister I am misty-eyed as I can only imagine his loved ones are too". Mr Turnbull yesterday stated that Australia could not afford to be "misty-eyed" over border security issues.

The moral of this story as Omid found out. If you're going to set yourself on fire there usually is a good chance you will actually die from it. DUH. :D

It is not 'Australia's fault' that an Iranian sets himself alight and consequently dies because he is not allowed to transgress Australian immigration laws.

Do not ignore the law. Ignoring or gaming the law is bad for your healthy. Do not try to force your way into a country that doesn't want you.

Put your effort into making Iran a decent and livable place.  After all, it's YOUR country.  It's full of people like you.
What's not to like for Iranian about Iran ???i

so he became a criminal, committed an act of violence, cost us a heap of cash and died due to his own actions ............

Whatta loser

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:54pm:

It is not 'Australia's fault' that an Iranian sets himself alight and consequently dies because he is not allowed to transgress Australian immigration laws. Do not ignore the law. Ignoring or gaming the law is bad for your healthy. Do not try to force your way into a country that doesn't want you. Put your effort into making Iran a decent and livable place.  After all, it's YOUR country.  It's full of people like you. What's not to like for Iranian about Iran ???

the iraquis?
the religion?

Its time wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island .

Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East.

Frank wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East.

The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  (Its artificial existence where it is is not wanted is the boil on the arse of the Planet.) Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally.

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 6:53pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally.

No the Arabs are.

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 6:53pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally.

So it's all the jews fault??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I remember bombs going off all the time in Israel a while back. :D :D :D :D

Ashley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 6:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally. No the Arabs are.

Really....for all of my life and for all of the education I had.....that place was known as Arabia....Land of Arabs.  Was I lied to?  If so, put up some proof.

Frank wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East.

There are too many outside to breed more already. If their way of life is so good why don't they stay where they are. Because the guy that wrote their religious book tells them to invade other countries and kill non believers after they trash their own country first.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 6:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally. So it's all the jews fault??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I remember bombs going off all the time in Israel a while back. :D :D :D :D

Gee.....imagine if it was not there, and it was instead in Tasmania or, as Mr Smith recently suggested, New Zealand.

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 6:57pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:54pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally. No the Arabs are. Really....for all of my life and for all of the education I had.....that place was known as Arabia....Land of Arabs.  Was I lied to?  If so, put up some proof.

That's why the Dome of the Rock sits on TOP of the Temple Mount, they were there first of course ;D ;D ;D .

Get a grip.

Ashley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:57pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:54pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally. No the Arabs are. Really....for all of my life and for all of the education I had.....that place was known as Arabia....Land of Arabs.  Was I lied to?  If so, put up some proof. That's why the Dome of the Rock sits on TOP of the Temple Mount, they were there first of course ;D ;D ;D . Get a grip.

Nah......proof please, not dumb arse comments with ample and useless emoticons.  Let's see your evidence.

LOL on your bike. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:55pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally. So it's all the jews fault??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I remember bombs going off all the time in Israel a while back. :D :D :D :D Gee.....imagine if it was not there, and it was instead in Tasmania or, as Mr Smith recently suggested, New Zealand.

There's always 2 sides to a story numpty. And not all people who live in Arabia are Arab either. For instance Assyrians and Coptic Egyptians aren't Arabs . The Arabs arrived after those 2 groups. The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:55pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally. So it's all the jews fault??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I remember bombs going off all the time in Israel a while back. :D :D :D :D Gee.....imagine if it was not there, and it was instead in Tasmania or, as Mr Smith recently suggested, New Zealand. There's always 2 sides to a story numpty. And not all people who live in Arabia are Arab either. For instance Assyrians and Coptic Egyptians aren't Arabs . The Arabs arrived after those 2 groups. The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also.

Really?  Post some links then.

For all of my life and obviously that of my teachers and those before them and them and them...............that place was the home of "Arabs."

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:55pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally. So it's all the jews fault??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I remember bombs going off all the time in Israel a while back. :D :D :D :D Gee.....imagine if it was not there, and it was instead in Tasmania or, as Mr Smith recently suggested, New Zealand. There's always 2 sides to a story numpty. And not all people who live in Arabia are Arab either. For instance Assyrians and Coptic Egyptians aren't Arabs . The Arabs arrived after those 2 groups. The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Really?  Post some links then. For all of my life and obviously that of my teachers and those before them and them and them...............that place was the home of "Arabs."

wiki- Israel and Judah
The archaeological record indicates that the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah emerged in the Early Iron Age (Iron Age I, 1200–1000 BCE) from the Canaanite city-state

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:16pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:55pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally. So it's all the jews fault??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I remember bombs going off all the time in Israel a while back. :D :D :D :D Gee.....imagine if it was not there, and it was instead in Tasmania or, as Mr Smith recently suggested, New Zealand. There's always 2 sides to a story numpty. And not all people who live in Arabia are Arab either. For instance Assyrians and Coptic Egyptians aren't Arabs . The Arabs arrived after those 2 groups. The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Really?  Post some links then. For all of my life and obviously that of my teachers and those before them and them and them...............that place was the home of "Arabs." wiki- Israel and Judah The archaeological record indicates that the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah emerged in the Early Iron Age (Iron Age I, 1200–1000 BCE) from the Canaanite city-state

wiki- The 7th century is the period from 601 to 700 in accordance with the Julian calendar in the Common Era. The Muslim conquests began with the unification of Arabia by Muhammad starting in 622. After Muhammad's death in 632, Islam expanded beyond the Arabian Peninsula under the Rashidun Caliphate (632–661) and the Umayyad Caliphate (661–750). The Islamic conquest of Persia in the 7th century led to the downfall of the Sassanid Empire. Also conquered during the 7th century were Syria, Palestine, Armenia, Egypt, and North Africa. :-?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:16pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:55pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally. So it's all the jews fault??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I remember bombs going off all the time in Israel a while back. :D :D :D :D Gee.....imagine if it was not there, and it was instead in Tasmania or, as Mr Smith recently suggested, New Zealand. There's always 2 sides to a story numpty. And not all people who live in Arabia are Arab either. For instance Assyrians and Coptic Egyptians aren't Arabs . The Arabs arrived after those 2 groups. The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Really?  Post some links then. For all of my life and obviously that of my teachers and those before them and them and them...............that place was the home of "Arabs." wiki- Israel and Judah The archaeological record indicates that the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah emerged in the Early Iron Age (Iron Age I, 1200–1000 BCE) from the Canaanite city-state

Look, I'm not going to bother tracking all that.  All I'll say is bullshit, but if it is true, let's hand Australia back to the Aboriginals.

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:22pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:16pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:55pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally. So it's all the jews fault??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I remember bombs going off all the time in Israel a while back. :D :D :D :D Gee.....imagine if it was not there, and it was instead in Tasmania or, as Mr Smith recently suggested, New Zealand. There's always 2 sides to a story numpty. And not all people who live in Arabia are Arab either. For instance Assyrians and Coptic Egyptians aren't Arabs . The Arabs arrived after those 2 groups. The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Really?  Post some links then. For all of my life and obviously that of my teachers and those before them and them and them...............that place was the home of "Arabs." wiki- Israel and Judah The archaeological record indicates that the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah emerged in the Early Iron Age (Iron Age I, 1200–1000 BCE) from the Canaanite city-state Look, I'm not going to bother tracking all that.  All I'll say is bullshit, but if it is true, let's hand Australia back to the Aboriginals.

You can call it bs all you want. It's just the truth. But I understand you obviously can't admit to being wrong. If the aboriginals do what the jews have done and win some land fighting then that's fair. But no group of humans on earth give up land without a fight.

I cannot believe anyone can be so dumb.


Quote:

You can call it bs all you want. It's just the truth. But I understand you obviously can't admit to being wrong. If the aboriginals do what the jews have done and win some land fighting then that's fair. But no group of humans on earth give up land without a fight.

They won nothing.  They were handed Israel by the Winners of WW11 in 1948.

And don't tell me the Aboriginals did not physically fight, yet were defeated......just like, if you want to go down this path, were the Israelis.

Finally.....is your point that if Israel is defeated militarily then they can piss off out of Arabia?

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also.

Jews and Palestinians originate from the same race ... Jew-deism is a religion, not a race.

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 7:59pm:

I cannot believe anyone can be so dumb. Quote: You can call it bs all you want. It's just the truth. But I understand you obviously can't admit to being wrong. If the aboriginals do what the jews have done and win some land fighting then that's fair. But no group of humans on earth give up land without a fight. They won nothing.  They were handed Israel by the Winners of WW11 in 1948. And don't tell me the Aboriginals did not physically fight, yet were defeated......just like, if you want to go down this path, were the Israelis. Finally.....is your point that if Israel is defeated militarily then they can piss off out of Arabia?

They won the Golan heights, West Bank, Sinai peninsula and Jerusalem.

So I guess it's the Arabs that get to piss off eh? 

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:59pm: I cannot believe anyone can be so dumb. Quote: You can call it bs all you want. It's just the truth. But I understand you obviously can't admit to being wrong. If the aboriginals do what the jews have done and win some land fighting then that's fair. But no group of humans on earth give up land without a fight. They won nothing.  They were handed Israel by the Winners of WW11 in 1948. And don't tell me the Aboriginals did not physically fight, yet were defeated......just like, if you want to go down this path, were the Israelis. Finally.....is your point that if Israel is defeated militarily then they can piss off out of Arabia? They won the Golan heights, West Bank, Sinai peninsula and Jerusalem. So I guess it's the Arabs that get to piss off eh?

And before that and before that and before that...etc etc.

Israel ought just come to Tasmania or New Zealand (both would welcome) and all is well.  The carbuncle is no more. 

John Smith wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Jews and Palestinians originate from the same race ... Jew-deism is a religion, not a race.

We are not talking about race as such numpty. We are all related. We are talking about different tribes and groups of people like aboriginals or eskimos etc. The jews where in that part of the world before the peoples  known as the Arabians. Understand??

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:03pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Jews and Palestinians originate from the same race ... Jew-deism is a religion, not a race. We are not talking about race as such numpty. We are all related. We are talking about different tribes and groups of people like aboriginals or eskimos etc. The jews where in that part of the world before the peoples  known as the Arabians. Understand??

No, and if they were, they were militarily booted.

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:24pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:03pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Jews and Palestinians originate from the same race ... Jew-deism is a religion, not a race. We are not talking about race as such numpty. We are all related. We are talking about different tribes and groups of people like aboriginals or eskimos etc. The jews where in that part of the world before the peoples  known as the Arabians. Understand?? No, and if they were, they were militarily booted.

who, the arabs?? you bet they were.

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:22pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:16pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:55pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Either way....as far as I am concerned they can blow themselves apart, and we ought not be there.  If we were not there, stirring the pot, I'd be far less* sympathetic to the refugees from there....less*, I said, not totally. So it's all the jews fault??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I remember bombs going off all the time in Israel a while back. :D :D :D :D Gee.....imagine if it was not there, and it was instead in Tasmania or, as Mr Smith recently suggested, New Zealand. There's always 2 sides to a story numpty. And not all people who live in Arabia are Arab either. For instance Assyrians and Coptic Egyptians aren't Arabs . The Arabs arrived after those 2 groups. The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Really?  Post some links then. For all of my life and obviously that of my teachers and those before them and them and them...............that place was the home of "Arabs." wiki- Israel and Judah The archaeological record indicates that the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah emerged in the Early Iron Age (Iron Age I, 1200–1000 BCE) from the Canaanite city-state Look, I'm not going to bother tracking all that.  All I'll say is bullshit, but if it is true, let's hand Australia back to the Aboriginals.

Why do that they came from New Guinea. How stupid.

John Smith wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Jews and Palestinians originate from the same race ... Jew-deism is a religion, not a race.

There is no such thing as an indigenous Palestinian. You knew that right ;D ;D ;D

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Why do that they came from New Guinea. How stupid.

Really?  Link?

John Smith wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Jews and Palestinians originate from the same race ... Jew-deism is a religion, not a race.

ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS!!!!!!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 8:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:03pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Jews and Palestinians originate from the same race ... Jew-deism is a religion, not a race. ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS!!!!!!

Andrei....is it true that Israel is overwhelmingly (numerically) surrounded by people who do not want them there? 

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Quote: Why do that they came from New Guinea. How stupid. Really?  Link?

Wiki-  A 2009 genetic study in India found similarities among Indian archaic populations and Aboriginal people, indicating a Southern migration route, with expanding populations from Southeast Asia migrating to Indonesia and Australia.


Aborigines are just whinging Indians.

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Quote: Why do that they came from New Guinea. How stupid. Really?  Link?

Why would anyone bother to take time out to provide you a link?  Not more than a few posts ago at your own request you were provided with information and a source.  You didn't like it so you called it bullshit and carried on anyway. 

Aussie demonstrating his willingness to learn.   ;D ;D :D


Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:22pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:16pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: [quote author=Aussie link=1461906947/61#61 date=1462006728]There's always 2 sides to a story numpty. And not all people who live in Arabia are Arab either. For instance Assyrians and Coptic Egyptians aren't Arabs . The Arabs arrived after those 2 groups. The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Really?  Post some links then. For all of my life and obviously that of my teachers and those before them and them and them...............that place was the home of "Arabs." wiki- Israel and Judah The archaeological record indicates that the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah emerged in the Early Iron Age (Iron Age I, 1200–1000 BCE) from the Canaanite city-state Look, I'm not going to bother tracking all that.  All I'll say is bullshit, but if it is true, let's hand Australia back to the Aboriginals.

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:39pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:03pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Jews and Palestinians originate from the same race ... Jew-deism is a religion, not a race. ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS!!!!!! Andrei....is it true that Israel is overwhelmingly (numerically) surrounded by people who do not want them there?

Correct.
But it's not up to them.

You can say the same of the Kurds.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:43pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:39pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:03pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:05pm: The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs also. Jews and Palestinians originate from the same race ... Jew-deism is a religion, not a race. ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS!!!!!! Andrei....is it true that Israel is overwhelmingly (numerically) surrounded by people who do not want them there?  Correct. But it's not up to them. You can say the same of the Kurds.

Why stay there then.  I am giving 'you' Tasmania..even New Zealand.  Why be a boil infesting on the arse of the entire Planet if you are in such an overwhelming minority?  Why not piss off out of there and go where no one cares?  We all win out of that.  Everyone does.

(I don't care about Arab ~ Kurd ~ shitfights.  They are welcome to it.)

Because the Jews belong in the land of Israel.
It's not just a choice. It's ancient.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 9:37pm:

Because the Jews belong in the land of Israel. It's not just a choice. It's ancient.

The "Land of Israel."  Is that the same one as the "Promised Land," or is it some other place?

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:37pm: Because the Jews belong in the land of Israel. It's not just a choice. It's ancient. The "Land of Israel."  Is that the same one as the "Promised Land," or is it some other place?

You can call it what you like.
You can also point out that the Jews are Gods chosen people and superior to all others.
It's up to you.

But Jews have been in Jerusalem for centuries.

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You can call it what you like.

I do, and I call it the festering boil on the arse of the Planet and it needs to be lanced.



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You can also point out that the Jews are Gods chosen people

Yeas, I've heard that propaganda.  I don't believe it.  Do you, Mr Hicks?


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and superior to all others.

Hmmmmm.....dunno if I have come across that before, but....do you believe it Mr Hicks?


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It's up to you.

It sure is, and if I were in charge, I would lance that boil and give Tasmania or New Zealand to Israel.  Everyone would breath a sigh of profound relief.


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But Jews have been in Jerusalem for centurie

As have the Arabs and even the bloody Poms.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

You can also point out that the Jews are Gods chosen people and superior to all others. .

Lovely. Is this why they don;t play nicely with others? They consider themselves "superior"?

Do you consider yourself "superior" to others, Andrei?

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 10:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:43pm: You can also point out that the Jews are Gods chosen people and superior to all others. . Lovely. Is this why they don;t play nicely with others? They consider themselves "superior"? Do you consider yourself "superior" to others, Andrei?

In the middle east where the muslims don't play nice with anyone else they are Superior.

You think you're superior too don't you Ashley. I've been reading what you have to say.

My, my. All of these people thinking they are superior to each other. Is it any wonder there is so much war?

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 10:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:43pm: You can also point out that the Jews are Gods chosen people and superior to all others. . Lovely. Is this why they don;t play nicely with others? They consider themselves "superior"? Do you consider yourself "superior" to others, Andrei?

LOL.  replace the above statement "is this why they don't play well with others" but have it said by anyone else and about Muslims and your reaction would be....

8-) 8-) 8-)

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:06pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 10:56pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:43pm: You can also point out that the Jews are Gods chosen people and superior to all others. . Lovely. Is this why they don;t play nicely with others? They consider themselves "superior"? Do you consider yourself "superior" to others, Andrei? LOL.  replace the above statement "is this why they don't play well with others" but have it said by anyone else and about Muslims and your reaction would be.... 8-) 8-) 8-)

My reaction would be that Muslim's who consider themselves to be "superior" to anybody are very wrong.

I just happen to know that not all Muslims think that.

I know all Jews don;t also ... or all Christians.

But i'm not making the claim.

But Andrei and Ashley seem to think "superiority" is a thing, so i'd very much like them to explain themselves.

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:05pm:

You think you're superior too don't you Ashley. I've been reading what you have to say. My, my. All of these people thinking they are superior to each other. Is it any wonder there is so much war?

My goodness darling clearly you have been reading what I have had to say wrong.

No it isn't any wonder why their is so much war in the world.

Ashley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:11pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:05pm: You think you're superior too don't you Ashley. I've been reading what you have to say. My, my. All of these people thinking they are superior to each other. Is it any wonder there is so much war? My goodness darling clearly you have been reading what I have had to say wrong. No it isn't any wonder why their is so much war in the world.

Ashley, with respect, you say that people who do not believe as you do will spend eternity in fiery damnation with (your words) their "Master" Satan.

Do you deny this?

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:09pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:06pm: mothra wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 10:56pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:43pm: You can also point out that the Jews are Gods chosen people and superior to all others. . Lovely. Is this why they don;t play nicely with others? They consider themselves "superior"? Do you consider yourself "superior" to others, Andrei? LOL.  replace the above statement "is this why they don't play well with others" but have it said by anyone else and about Muslims and your reaction would be.... 8-) 8-) 8-) My reaction would be that Muslim's who consider themselves to be "superior" to anybody are very wrong. I just happen to know that not all Muslims think that. I know all Jews don;t also ... or all Christians. But i'm not making the claim. But Andrei and Ashley seem to think "superiority" is a thing, so i'd very much like them to explain themselves.

I'd like you to very much go learn the meaning of superiority from google. No one needs to explain themselves to you at that level.

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:13pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:11pm: mothra wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:05pm: You think you're superior too don't you Ashley. I've been reading what you have to say. My, my. All of these people thinking they are superior to each other. Is it any wonder there is so much war? My goodness darling clearly you have been reading what I have had to say wrong. No it isn't any wonder why their is so much war in the world. Ashley, with respect, you say that people who do not believe as you do will spend eternity in fiery damnation with (your words) their "Master" Satan. Do you deny this?

Absolutely.

But Ashley, in the "When i became a Christian" thread, you called other posters sinners and told Bobby he would spend eternity with his "Master" Satan.

Would you like me to find the relevant post? It may take me a while but i read it only a short time ago.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 9:50pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:36pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:35pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:30pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:28pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:27pm: Then you would have no free will, and you as a creation would be pointless and with free will, what is the point other than to satisfy his ego? Huh ? you said that without free will our creation is pointless ..... so what is the point of our creation with free will? To see how many he can convince to follow him? sounds rather egotistical or narcissistic if you ask me Ashley is just like Longy - he wants people to burn forever in hell fire & damnation. Troll, always incapable of debate, just trolling. Ashley wrote: Quote: If you died right now you would stand before Jesus Christ and profess that He is Lord and then you would be cast into the lake of fire reserved for your master Satan and his angels. Think hard about that you may drop dead tonight for all you know.

So what,  I am only quoting what the bible says will happen to Him because of His own choices made by his own free will. After all we were discussing Christianity.

Your point ?

Ashley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:27pm:

So what,  I am only quoting what the bible says will happen to Him because of His own choices made by his own free will. After all we were discussing Christianity.

So you think you are "superior" to him because he does not follow your religion as you profess to follow it?

After all, you will go to "heaven" while he burns for all eternity with his "Master" Satan.

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:29pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:27pm: So what,  I am only quoting what the bible says will happen to Him because of His own choices made by his own free will. After all we were discussing Christianity. So you think you are "superior" to him because he does not follow your religion as you profess to follow it? After all, you will go to "heaven" while he burns for all eternity with his "Master" Satan.

Why are you trying to tell me what I think ?

I never said I was superior at all.

I will go to Heaven as I have accepted Jesus Christs Salvation and if you or bobby have not you will both burn in the eternal lake of fire set aside for satan and his fallen angels, if you don't accept that salvation before you die. They are simple facts.

If you somehow see that as me being superior maybe God is trying to tell you something and not me. Maybe that decision may be a superior choice for you and bobby.

Maybe that is what you are feeling. His Holy Spirit speaking to your heart.

Ashley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:39pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:29pm: Ashley wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:27pm: So what,  I am only quoting what the bible says will happen to Him because of His own choices made by his own free will. After all we were discussing Christianity. So you think you are "superior" to him because he does not follow your religion as you profess to follow it? After all, you will go to "heaven" while he burns for all eternity with his "Master" Satan. Why are you trying to tell me what I think ? I never said I was superior at all. I will go to Heaven as I have accepted Jesus Christs Salvation and if you or bobby have not you will both burn in the eternal lake of fire set aside for satan and his fallen angels, if you don't accept that salvation before you die. They are simple facts. If you somehow see that as me being superior maybe God is trying to tell you something and not me. Maybe that decision may be a superior choice for you and bobby. Maybe that is what you are feeling. His Holy Spirit speaking to your heart.

LOL. I think not.

But all of that sounds very much like you have a superiority complex Ashley.

Andrei says it's his people that are superior and are GOd's "chosen ones" ... you say it is your lot.

Someone is in for a surprise, now aren't they?

Perhaps, however, you are both being silly and God never meant any of that at all?

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:09pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:06pm: mothra wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 10:56pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:43pm: You can also point out that the Jews are Gods chosen people and superior to all others. . Lovely. Is this why they don;t play nicely with others? They consider themselves "superior"? Do you consider yourself "superior" to others, Andrei? LOL.  replace the above statement "is this why they don't play well with others" but have it said by anyone else and about Muslims and your reaction would be.... 8-) 8-) 8-) My reaction would be that Muslim's who consider themselves to be "superior" to anybody are very wrong. I just happen to know that not all Muslims think that. I know all Jews don;t also ... or all Christians. But i'm not making the claim. But Andrei and Ashley seem to think "superiority" is a thing, so i'd very much like them to explain themselves.

You'll not find my personal beliefs anywhere on this forum or even my religious denomination.
Best not to make rash judgements.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:49pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:09pm: Secret Wars wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:06pm: mothra wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 10:56pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:43pm: You can also point out that the Jews are Gods chosen people and superior to all others. . Lovely. Is this why they don;t play nicely with others? They consider themselves "superior"? Do you consider yourself "superior" to others, Andrei? LOL.  replace the above statement "is this why they don't play well with others" but have it said by anyone else and about Muslims and your reaction would be.... 8-) 8-) 8-) My reaction would be that Muslim's who consider themselves to be "superior" to anybody are very wrong. I just happen to know that not all Muslims think that. I know all Jews don;t also ... or all Christians. But i'm not making the claim. But Andrei and Ashley seem to think "superiority" is a thing, so i'd very much like them to explain themselves. You'll not find my personal beliefs anywhere on this forum or even my religious denomination. Best not to make rash judgements.

Then perhaps you should express yourself more clearly.

I did if you cared to read what I said.

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 10:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:43pm: You can also point out that the Jews are Gods chosen people and superior to all others. . Lovely. Is this why they don;t play nicely with others? They consider themselves "superior"? Do you consider yourself "superior" to others, Andrei?

Poor editing.
Read my whole post.

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:42pm:

LOL. I think not. But all of that sounds very much like you have a superiority complex Ashley. Andrei says it's his people that are superior and are GOd's "chosen ones" ... you say it is your lot. Someone is in for a surprise, now aren't they? Perhaps, however, you are both being silly and God never meant any of that at all?

That person would be you.

Laugh, scoff, troll all you want. You will still feel as lonely as you appear on here when you go to sleep.

I think you needing to troll me in multiple treads indicates that it is you that has an inferiority complex more to the point.

Yes I know I shouldn't have responded to your bait I was too busy discussing stuff in the other thread where you tried to troll me there.

Do try and not be so bitter love. You only come across as a big nobody.

Ashley wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:59am:

mothra wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:42pm: LOL. I think not. But all of that sounds very much like you have a superiority complex Ashley. Andrei says it's his people that are superior and are GOd's "chosen ones" ... you say it is your lot. Someone is in for a surprise, now aren't they? Perhaps, however, you are both being silly and God never meant any of that at all? That person would be you. Laugh, scoff, troll all you want. You will still feel as lonely as you appear on here when you go to sleep. I think you needing to troll me in multiple treads indicates that it is you that has an inferiority complex more to the point. Yes I know I shouldn't have responded to your bait I was too busy discussing stuff in the other thread where you tried to troll me there. Do try and not be so bitter love. You only come across as a big nobody.

Did your God teach you to talk to people like that Ashley?

Do you really think it's ok to talk to people like that?

Doesn't sound like anything Christ would have said.

And well done. You have just evidenced that you feel "superior" to me.

Which was my point all along.

No wonder the world is killing itself ... all these people thinking they are "superior" to everyone else.

:D :D :D :D

Kat wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

More blood on the hands of these stinking neo-cons. They deserve to hang!

The Coalition didn't put him there - Labor did.

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 7:50am:

Kat wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 4:33pm: More blood on the hands of these stinking neo-cons. They deserve to hang! The Coalition didn't put him there - Labor did.

you are wasting your time ap the brainwashed only believe what they want to believe...

these people are blackmailers...if you dont do what I want..

there will be blood on your hands..

and the bleedinghearts jump on the wagon.... as it only happens on the libs watch..

ho hum'' they have forgotten about the burning boat that we are still paying the price for..

maybe we should list all the DEATHS that happened on krudds watch...

dont think we would have the room.  on a single post...

kat needs to shut up.. he of the short memory. >:( >:(

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

Quote: You can call it what you like. I do, and I call it the festering boil on the arse of the Planet and it needs to be lanced. [quote]You can also point out that the Jews are Gods chosen people

Yeas, I've heard that propaganda.  I don't believe it.  Do you, Mr Hicks?


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and superior to all others.

Hmmmmm.....dunno if I have come across that before, but....do you believe it Mr Hicks?


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It's up to you.

It sure is, and if I were in charge, I would lance that boil and give Tasmania or New Zealand to Israel.  Everyone would breath a sigh of profound relief.


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But Jews have been in Jerusalem for centurie

As have the Arabs and even the bloody Poms.[/quote]

Out on the board the old shearer stands,
Grasping his shears in his long, honey hands,
Fixed is his gaze on a bare-bellied "Joe,"
Glory if he gets her, won't he make the "ringer" go.

Chorus: Click go the shears boys, click, click, click,
Wide is his blow and his hands move quick,
The ringer looks around and is beaten by a blow,
And curses the old snagger with the blue-bellied "Joe."

In the middle of the floor, in his cane-bottomed chair
Is the boss of the board, with eyes everywhere;
Notes well each fleece as it comes to the screen
Paying strict attention if it's taken off clean.

The colonial experience man, he is there, of course,
With his shiny leggin's, just got off his horse,
Casting round his eye like a real connoisseur,
Whistling the old tune, "I'm the Perfect Lure."

The tar-boy is there, awaiting in demand,
With his blackened tar-pot, and his tarry hand;
Sees one old sheep with a cut upon its back,
Hears what he's waiting for, "Tar here, Jack!"

Shearing is all over and we've all got our cheques,
Roll up your swag for we're off on the tracks;
The first pub we come to, it's there we'll have a spree,
And everyone that comes along it's "Come and drink with me!"

Down by the bar the old shearer stands,
Grasping his glass in his thin honey hands;
Fixed is his gaze on a green-painted keg,
Glory he'll get down on it, ere he stirs a peg.

There we leave him standing, shouting for all hands,
Whilst all around him, every "shouter" stands
His eyes are on the cask, which is now lowering fast,
He works hard, he drinks hard, and goes to hell at last!

The Coalition have to come along with a bucket and spade and clean up the pile of dogsh.t called Manus Island mess that Labor created

red baron wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 4:41pm:

The Coalition have to come along with a bucket and spade and clean up the pile of dogsh.t called Manus Island mess that Labor created

Why has it taken them so long?

Aussie wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 6:53pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.

Who is doing all the suicide bombing in Paris, Brusseles, London, Bombay, Madrid, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - not Israelis.


Islam is the problem, everywhere you look.

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 8:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Who is doing all the suicide bombing in Paris, Brusseles, London, Bombay, Madrid, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - not Israelis. Islam is the problem, everywhere you look.

I'm looking at Arabia...and there, Israel is the problem.

Aussie wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 8:19pm:

Frank wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 8:14pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Who is doing all the suicide bombing in Paris, Brusseles, London, Bombay, Madrid, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - not Israelis. Islam is the problem, everywhere you look. I'm looking at Arabia...and there, Israel is the problem.

Don't be an idiot on purpose.

Israel is a democracy - none of the Arab Muslim countries are.

Israel is the way it is because of the will of the people in Israel. Are you saying that the Muslim Arab hellholes around it are the way the are because of the will of their people?

And if not that - what the hell ARE you saying??

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Aussie wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 8:19pm: Frank wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 8:14pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Who is doing all the suicide bombing in Paris, Brusseles, London, Bombay, Madrid, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - not Israelis. Islam is the problem, everywhere you look. I'm looking at Arabia...and there, Israel is the problem. Don't be an idiot on purpose. Israel is a democracy - none of the Arab Muslim countries are. Israel is the way it is because of the will of the people in Israel. Are you saying that the Muslim Arab hellholes around it are the way the are because of the will of their people? And if not that - what the hell ARE you saying??

Nor has Israel threatened to wipe any of its neighbors from the face of the planet.  And it has been the defender, not the aggressor, how many times now? 

I guess you were born after 1967.

Link.

Israel is a beacon of liberal democracy in a 1400 year old desert wasteland of submission.

freediver wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 9:27pm:

Israel is a beacon of liberal democracy in a 1400 year old desert wasteland of submission.

Sure......that's why all their neighbours just love having them and the Planet is held to ransom while they stay there.  Come on Israel.....Tasmania....buy the locals out (oh...hang on.....you don't do that do you.............you steal land under a gun.........)      ....

Back to the drawing board for me.  But, while I consider my navel, that boil on the arse of the Planet continues to grow and fester.

The neighbours hate them because they are Jews Aussie. Did you know that the biggest contributor to Jewish refugees fleeing to Israel was actually the neighbouring Arab Muslim nations kicking them out after the holocaust?

freediver wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 10:03pm:

The neighbours hate them because they are Jews Aussie. Did you know that the biggest contributor to Jewish refugees fleeing to Israel was actually the neighbouring Arab Muslim nations kicking them out after the holocaust?

I could not care less whether Israel is populated by Jews or Christians or Scientologists with nuclear weapons.  I want Israel out of there, and if it had half a brain or gave a stuff about the Planet then they would leave.

If I was hated and despised by everyone in my neighbourhood, I'd piss off, wouldn't you, freediver?

I wouldn't like to live in the middle east.

Are you saying that giving in to Islamic extremists will stop them being mean to us?

Aussie wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 10:14pm:

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 10:03pm: The neighbours hate them because they are Jews Aussie. Did you know that the biggest contributor to Jewish refugees fleeing to Israel was actually the neighbouring Arab Muslim nations kicking them out after the holocaust? I could not care less whether Israel is populated by Jews or Christians or Scientologists with nuclear weapons.  I want Israel out of there, and if it had half a brain or gave a stuff about the Planet then they would leave. If I was hated and despised by everyone in my neighbourhood, I'd piss off, wouldn't you, freediver?

Then why are you still here on this forum. All you do is  chase people around with unwanted attention accusing them of being other people.

freediver wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 10:17pm:

I wouldn't like to live in the middle east. Are you saying that giving in to Islamic extremists will stop them being mean to us?

Would not have a clue.  Do you?

What I do assert as my personal opinion ~ is that the Planet will be a far more peaceful place if Israel was not there in the middle of Arabia.

Do you disagree?

Israel is not in the middle of Arabia Einstein.

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 8:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm: Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm: The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  ::), tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island . Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East. The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is.  Who is doing all the suicide bombing in Paris, Brusseles, London, Bombay, Madrid, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - not Israelis. Islam is the problem, everywhere you look.

That is just plain FACT isn't it. Anyone who disagrees with that either has a mental problem or is an attention seeker.

Ashley wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 11:07pm:

Israel is not in the middle of Arabia Einstein.

Geebuz.....where is the middle, then?

http://history-of-israel.org/history/images/map_mideast.jpg

Aussie wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 11:26pm:

Ashley wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 11:07pm: Israel is not in the middle of Arabia Einstein. Geebuz.....where is the middle, then? http://history-of-israel.org/history/images/map_mideast.jpg

Clearly that is beyond your comprehension if you need to ask the question.

Here blow your mind with a real map Einstein.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Arabia/@20.9645811,29.1291052,4z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x3e22a22f1ee601df:0x2d193a48607e74cb

http://desalas.org/190523ar.gif

:D :D :D

mothra wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 1:01am:

Ashley wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 12:59am: mothra wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:42pm: LOL. I think not. But all of that sounds very much like you have a superiority complex Ashley. Andrei says it's his people that are superior and are GOd's "chosen ones" ... you say it is your lot. Someone is in for a surprise, now aren't they? Perhaps, however, you are both being silly and God never meant any of that at all? That person would be you. Laugh, scoff, troll all you want. You will still feel as lonely as you appear on here when you go to sleep. I think you needing to troll me in multiple treads indicates that it is you that has an inferiority complex more to the point. Yes I know I shouldn't have responded to your bait I was too busy discussing stuff in the other thread where you tried to troll me there. Do try and not be so bitter love. You only come across as a big nobody. Did your God teach you to talk to people like that Ashley? Do you really think it's ok to talk to people like that? Doesn't sound like anything Christ would have said.

What's Christ got to do with a person calling you up on your online trolling?

Medication time is it?

Aussie wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 10:56pm:

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 10:17pm: I wouldn't like to live in the middle east. Are you saying that giving in to Islamic extremists will stop them being mean to us? Would not have a clue.  Do you? What I do assert as my personal opinion ~ is that the Planet will be a far more peaceful place if Israel was not there in the middle of Arabia. Do you disagree?

Everyone (including FD) disagrees with ^^^ your latest uninformed blathering and insane rant.

Ashley wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 10:18pm:

Aussie wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 10:14pm: freediver wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 10:03pm: The neighbours hate them because they are Jews Aussie. Did you know that the biggest contributor to Jewish refugees fleeing to Israel was actually the neighbouring Arab Muslim nations kicking them out after the holocaust? I could not care less whether Israel is populated by Jews or Christians or Scientologists with nuclear weapons.  I want Israel out of there, and if it had half a brain or gave a stuff about the Planet then they would leave. If I was hated and despised by everyone in my neighbourhood, I'd piss off, wouldn't you, freediver? Then why are you still here on this forum. All you do is  chase people around with unwanted attention accusing them of being other people.

Oh what a pathetic hypocrite you are!

How many times has everyone told you to p1$$ off from OzPol and PA....you know PA, FD's other forum from whch you have been permanently banned.

Yet you're still here....and there 24/7.....just to troll, flame, incite hatred, cause trouble.....under various nicks.

You expect an entire nation of millions of people to up and leave their home.....yet you yourself won't leave a forum which has recurringly made it clear that it does not want you there.

When it comes to launching an argument in future, try using whatever grey matter you have left. Thank you!

Aussie wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 10:14pm:

If I was hated and despised by everyone in my neighbourhood, I'd piss off, wouldn't you, freediver?

you are hated and despised everywhere you go online yet we are still waiting for you to piss off ... you can't even keep out of PA, a place where you were forcibly removed like a medieval Jew targeted by a pogrom but you keep coming back for more.

Aussie wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 10:56pm:

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 10:17pm: I wouldn't like to live in the middle east. Are you saying that giving in to Islamic extremists will stop them being mean to us? Would not have a clue.  Do you? What I do assert as my personal opinion ~ is that the Planet will be a far more peaceful place if Israel was not there in the middle of Arabia. Do you disagree?

It depends on the alternative, and there are all sorts you can imagine. Suppose for example that ISIS became powerful enough to get rid of Israel - that would make for a much more violent world.

Muslim extremists already claim military victory over Israel every time it makes a gesture for peace. It is hard to imagine any scenario where giving them what they want improves the situation. These are not the sort of people who will go away if you placate them somehow. The complete destruction of Israel would not do it. They would just move on to demanding Spain back.

Aussie wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 10:56pm:

freediver wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 10:17pm: I wouldn't like to live in the middle east. Are you saying that giving in to Islamic extremists will stop them being mean to us? Would not have a clue.  Do you? What I do assert as my personal opinion ~ is that the Planet will be a far more peaceful place if Israel was not there in the middle of Arabia. Do you disagree?

tell us

where would you SEND Israel???.......

you seem to think its just a matter of packing their weapons and off they go????>..

I think Israel has as much right to be where it is.. as any Arab country............and anyone that walks about moving it... has rocks in their head.

Israel doesnt bother me...why does it bother you?.

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 10:58am:

Aussie wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 10:56pm: freediver wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 10:17pm: I wouldn't like to live in the middle east. Are you saying that giving in to Islamic extremists will stop them being mean to us? Would not have a clue.  Do you? What I do assert as my personal opinion ~ is that the Planet will be a far more peaceful place if Israel was not there in the middle of Arabia. Do you disagree? It depends on the alternative, and there are all sorts you can imagine. Suppose for example that ISIS became powerful enough to get rid of Israel - that would make for a much more violent world. Muslim extremists already claim military victory over Israel every time it makes a gesture for peace. It is hard to imagine any scenario where giving them what they want improves the situation. These are not the sort of people who will go away if you placate them somehow. The complete destruction of Israel would not do it. They would just move on to demanding Spain back.

I'm looking at it from the opposite side of the coin ~ Israel ought be smart enough to know it is in the sheet, and it ought move on to a place for more sympathetic to its presence for everyone's  sake.

Aussie has swallowed the Muslim koolaid.

"Give us what we want, and no-one gets hurt."

So Israel should force a mass migration of Jews out of the middle east?

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Israel doesnt bother me...why does it bother you?.

It bothers the well being of the entire Planet.

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 11:18am:

Aussie has swallowed the Muslim koolaid. "Give us what we want, and no-one gets hurt."

Nope.  Don't give a stuff about Arabs or Muslims or calathumpians.  I can see a boil on the arse of the Planet just like you can, and it should be sorted peacefully.

Arabia is for Arabs just like America is for Americans.


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So Israel should force a mass migration of Jews out of the middle east?

Dunno about "force," but it is not as though they have not made a mass migration previously.

The Muslim extremists who cannot stomach the existence of a state run by Jews on ground owned by Islam bother the well being of the planet. Get rid of Israel, and they will still be there.

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 11:21am:

The Muslim extremists who cannot stomach the existence of a state run by Jews on ground owned by Islam bother the well being of the planet. Get rid of Israel, and they will still be there.

Sure, and then we will have do dog in the fight.

Aussie wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 11:21am: The Muslim extremists who cannot stomach the existence of a state run by Jews on ground owned by Islam bother the well being of the planet. Get rid of Israel, and they will still be there. Sure, and then we will have do dog in the fight.

Ah.

Aussie wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 11:19am:

Quote: Israel doesnt bother me...why does it bother you?. It bothers the well being of the entire Planet.

HOW CAN YOU possibly know that????..

as a matter of fact it looks more like the Islam states disrupt to wellbeing of the planet...

rather than Israel......who else is Irael fighting with???>.

cods wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 11:27am:

Aussie wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 11:19am: Quote: Israel doesnt bother me...why does it bother you?. It bothers the well being of the entire Planet. HOW CAN YOU possibly know that????.. as a matter of fact it looks more like the Islam states disrupt to wellbeing of the planet... rather than Israel......who else is Irael fighting with???>.

The Arabs have been at each others throats for centuries, and after we plonked Israel into the middle of their lands, we added another likely flash point, one which now is nuclear armed and would not have the least compunction in using those weapons.

So you want to destroy Israel because it has nukes?

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 11:37am:

So you want to destroy Israel because it has nukes?

I have never said anything about destroying Israel.

What is the politically correct term for your proposal?

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 11:51am:

What is the politically correct term for your proposal?

Stop thieving land and playing the victim