I don't think this is the right response. Those promoting hatred of Jews are mostly very polished and know how to phrase their propaganda in ways that are superficially inoffensive and likely to appeal to deluded lefties. Meanwhile those within the extremist Muslim community don't exactly flaunt their views. All this will do is further erode honesty in public debate. The Prime Minister might be responding to Islamic terrorism by banning the use of Islamic and terrorism in the same sentence. The ABC probably did more than any other organisation to fuel the hatred of Jews in this country by publishing polished, woke propaganda for Hamas. The ABC likes to warn us about social media echo chambers, while creating one of their own. The PM needs to grow some balls, not try to castrate everyone else.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmneem1e89o


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Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says his government will crack down on hate speech following Sunday's deadly shooting at Bondi Beach that targeted a Jewish festival. Fifteen people were killed when two gunmen opened fire at an event to mark the first day of Hanukkah. New laws will target "those who spread hate, division and radicalisation", Albanese told reporters in Canberra.

Amazing ,he was happy for people to chant kill the Jews for two  and a half years?

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 11:52am:

Amazing ,he was happy for people to chant kill the Jews for two  and a half years?

From memory, they were chanting "where's the Jews?". Took them a while, but they found them. One step closer to a free Palestine, apparently.

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 12:19pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:52am: Amazing ,he was happy for people to chant kill the Jews for two  and a half years? From memory, they were chanting "where's the Jews?". Took them a while, but they found them. One step closer to a free Palestine, apparently.

They were actually chanting 'Gas the Jews' but wokeist revisionism soon changed that in the official narrative. Too late though, we all heard it.

These 'hate speech' laws though will be used more to silence criticism of AnAl, his government and his Islamist voters than for anything else.

It is a shame that you can claim you believe in Freedom of Speech and not support it yourself, Freediver.    I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters.  You allow hate speech to be posted here daily.  Soren, Grappler, Gnads and other hate mongers post it daily.  I have personally been the victim of hate speech from Soren and Gnads.  You create forum rules and then fail to follow them. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

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I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters.

Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared.

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 12:31pm:

Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared.

I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 12:19pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:52am: Amazing ,he was happy for people to chant kill the Jews for two  and a half years? From memory, they were chanting "where's the Jews?". Took them a while, but they found them. One step closer to a free Palestine, apparently.

Protestors shout “GAS THE JEWS” in Sydney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Z3wwnzAM0

What are these "Australian Values" that Albanese and some of the other pollies keep waffling on about?

"Attacks on Australian Values".

Anyone?

Do they mean the values of "I'm alright, Jack and stuff everyone else"? "You do you"? "Rip people off while making as much money as you can"?

These and a few others like them seem to be the only "values" here in Australia and most of the rest of the world these days.

F---ing hypocrites, the lot of them.

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 12:19pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:52am: Amazing ,he was happy for people to chant kill the Jews for two  and a half years? From memory, they were chanting "where's the Jews?". Took them a while, but they found them. One step closer to a free Palestine, apparently.

You sure?   :-/

https://content3.jdmagicbox.com/v2/comp/bangalore/e5/080pxx80.xx80.190410105719.w7e5/catalogue/where-s-my-juice-ulsoor-bangalore-juice-centres-csan5r0qxh.jpg

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 12:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian,
you're a fake victim.
You are allowed your say here every day.     Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 12:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian, you're a fake victim. You are allowed your say here every day.     Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

No I am not, Bobby.  I have been banned for periods up to a week.  You are full of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What would the Anus PM do if poisonous Green apples were turning up in Supermarkets, Grocers, Farmers Markets, etc❓
Not all Green apples are poisonous, but enough to put thousands of people in hospitals and hundreds dead.

Would he ban all Green apples?
Put in stringent testing of all Green apples before being sold?
Or would he just blame the buyers because Green apples kill?

;)

Carl D wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 12:45pm:

What are these "Australian Values" that Albanese and some of the other pollies keep waffling on about? "Attacks on Australian Values". Anyone? Do they mean the values of "I'm alright, Jack and stuff everyone else"? "You do you"? "Rip people off while making as much money as you can"? These and a few others like them seem to be the only "values" here in Australia and most of the rest of the world these days. F---ing hypocrites, the lot of them.

They're Lefty values from American Wokism

Jasin wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 2:32pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:45pm: What are these "Australian Values" that Albanese and some of the other pollies keep waffling on about? "Attacks on Australian Values". Anyone? Do they mean the values of "I'm alright, Jack and stuff everyone else"? "You do you"? "Rip people off while making as much money as you can"? These and a few others like them seem to be the only "values" here in Australia and most of the rest of the world these days. F---ing hypocrites, the lot of them. They're Lefty values from American Wokism

You are incapable of learning.

I have already explained it to you:

<<Judaism is based on OT scripture relating to a 'jealous'   bronze age 'god' (Jahweh).

Much of it affronts the UN UDHR, and modern international law.

Hence my 'Judeophobia'.   

The great tragedy for world history is the Prophet chose the OT as his exemplar  of the 'One True God', from whom (in his understanding) the Jews had separated, resulting in Israel's destruction long berfore Islam appeared; hence the Jews in his time were regarded as 'Infidels" in Islam.>>

Note: Oz values - according to Albo - are 'a fair go', and adherence to the 'international rules' system.

Admittedly more in theory than in practice; but the RW are out and out 'might is right' neanderthals.   

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 11:45am:

I don't think this is the right response. Those promoting hatred of Jews are mostly very polished and know how to phrase their propaganda in ways that are superficially inoffensive and likely to appeal to deluded lefties. Meanwhile those within the extremist Muslim community don't exactly flaunt their views. All this will do is further erode honesty in public debate. The Prime Minister might be responding to Islamic terrorism by banning the use of Islamic and terrorism in the same sentence. The ABC probably did more than any other organisation to fuel the hatred of Jews in this country by publishing polished, woke propaganda for Hamas. The ABC likes to warn us about social media echo chambers, while creating one of their own. The PM needs to grow some balls, not try to castrate everyone else. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmneem1e89o Quote: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says his government will crack down on hate speech following Sunday's deadly shooting at Bondi Beach that targeted a Jewish festival. Fifteen people were killed when two gunmen opened fire at an event to mark the first day of Hanukkah. New laws will target "those who spread hate, division and radicalisation", Albanese told reporters in Canberra.

Speaking of "polished propaganda" what do you think of what Bernie Sanders has said on the matter ?

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Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 3:41pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:45am: I don't think this is the right response. Those promoting hatred of Jews are mostly very polished and know how to phrase their propaganda in ways that are superficially inoffensive and likely to appeal to deluded lefties. Meanwhile those within the extremist Muslim community don't exactly flaunt their views. All this will do is further erode honesty in public debate. The Prime Minister might be responding to Islamic terrorism by banning the use of Islamic and terrorism in the same sentence. The ABC probably did more than any other organisation to fuel the hatred of Jews in this country by publishing polished, woke propaganda for Hamas. The ABC likes to warn us about social media echo chambers, while creating one of their own. The PM needs to grow some balls, not try to castrate everyone else. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmneem1e89o Quote: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says his government will crack down on hate speech following Sunday's deadly shooting at Bondi Beach that targeted a Jewish festival. Fifteen people were killed when two gunmen opened fire at an event to mark the first day of Hanukkah. New laws will target "those who spread hate, division and radicalisation", Albanese told reporters in Canberra. Speaking of "polished propaganda" what do you think of what Bernie Sanders has said on the matter ?

Well said, Bernie.

Netanyahu has the blood of those Bondi victims of his hands.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 3:41pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:45am: I don't think this is the right response. Those promoting hatred of Jews are mostly very polished and know how to phrase their propaganda in ways that are superficially inoffensive and likely to appeal to deluded lefties. Meanwhile those within the extremist Muslim community don't exactly flaunt their views. All this will do is further erode honesty in public debate. The Prime Minister might be responding to Islamic terrorism by banning the use of Islamic and terrorism in the same sentence. The ABC probably did more than any other organisation to fuel the hatred of Jews in this country by publishing polished, woke propaganda for Hamas. The ABC likes to warn us about social media echo chambers, while creating one of their own. The PM needs to grow some balls, not try to castrate everyone else. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmneem1e89o Quote: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says his government will crack down on hate speech following Sunday's deadly shooting at Bondi Beach that targeted a Jewish festival. Fifteen people were killed when two gunmen opened fire at an event to mark the first day of Hanukkah. New laws will target "those who spread hate, division and radicalisation", Albanese told reporters in Canberra. Speaking of "polished propaganda" what do you think of what Bernie Sanders has said on the matter ?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Untitled%5F015%2Ejpg

A truly inspired response from Bernie - a Jew, and a democratic socialist (like Mamdani) - re the tragedy of the murders at Bondi.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 2:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian, you're a fake victim. You are allowed your say here every day.     Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) No I am not, Bobby.  I have been banned for periods up to a week.  You are full of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

We've all been banned at times - you sooky bubba.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 4:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 2:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian, you're a fake victim. You are allowed your say here every day.     Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) No I am not, Bobby.  I have been banned for periods up to a week.  You are full of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) We've all been banned at times - you sooky bubba.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

I was not supplied with a reason or a chance to appeal.  I was simply banned.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Jasin wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 2:32pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:45pm: What are these "Australian Values" that Albanese and some of the other pollies keep waffling on about? "Attacks on Australian Values". Anyone? Do they mean the values of "I'm alright, Jack and stuff everyone else"? "You do you"? "Rip people off while making as much money as you can"? These and a few others like them seem to be the only "values" here in Australia and most of the rest of the world these days. F---ing hypocrites, the lot of them. They're Lefty values from American Wokism

Indeed. Thank you Jasin.

And (I've been out for a few hours) - I've just remembered I'd forgotten to include what is probably the #1 "Australian Value":

Political incompetence and corruption. All levels of government. All political parties.

Sorry. My bad.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 4:42pm:

I was not supplied with a reason or a chance to appeal.  I was simply banned.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

No one gets a reason.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/forum-rules.html


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thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 2:57pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 2:32pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:45pm: What are these "Australian Values" that Albanese and some of the other pollies keep waffling on about? "Attacks on Australian Values". Anyone? Do they mean the values of "I'm alright, Jack and stuff everyone else"? "You do you"? "Rip people off while making as much money as you can"? These and a few others like them seem to be the only "values" here in Australia and most of the rest of the world these days. F---ing hypocrites, the lot of them. They're Lefty values from American Wokism You are incapable of learning. I have already explained it to you: <<Judaism is based on OT scripture relating to a 'jealous'   bronze age 'god' (Jahweh). Much of it affronts the UN UDHR, and modern international law. Hence my 'Judeophobia'.    The great tragedy for world history is the Prophet chose the OT as his exemplar  of the 'One True God', from whom (in his understanding) the Jews had separated, resulting in Israel's destruction long berfore Islam appeared; hence the Jews in his time were regarded as 'Infidels" in Islam.>> Note: Oz values - according to Albo - are 'a fair go', and adherence to the 'international rules' system. Admittedly more in theory than in practice; but the RW are out and out 'might is right' neanderthals.

Actually, I'll leap frog you here.
After Zoroastrianism (Zarathustrianism) - a masculine Religion themed on the Elemental of Fire and a SCIENCE of Writing created at the Temple of Ur under the inspiration of SIN (Ab-sin-nanna), our Moon. It was primarily a tool of science to record down the logistics of everyday life, like harvests, lunar cycles and even the effect of the moon (SIN) upon our brains at a certain time of the month - which helped create writing. Zarathustra also used it to record all the pagan stories and myths, etc to form his Duality umbrella religion which in Greek is Zoroastrianism.

After the end of Summer and some following take over civilisations...
A people decided to use Writing to set their bloodline in stone so to speak and cement it historically in an immortal state recorded that can transcend generations. With the pairing of Adam & Eve as the first Jews, not humanity.
The Jewish line became immortal but it was a feminine Religion and with usual marketing, commercialisation and ego. The Jews considered themselves more special (chosen) than others. Who, as you can guess, became the target of many jealousies through the ages and were persecuted. You know - tall poppy syndrome. Thus their destiny was set until the New World's turned time and history back on itself. Of course, two other feminine Religions (of Monotheism) emerged to claim the One God (chosen race) Only. The Middle-East became a place of Zoroastrianism and the other three influenced by Asia (Holy City), Europe (Holy Spirit) and finally Africa (Holy Land).

Anyway enough for now.

JaSin (the Sin of Ur... the Sinner ;)

You can see the same process happening here in the New Worlds with the Media of Oceania (and it's Epstein love island resorts) having it's feminine equivalents in N.America, S.America and here in Sahul because Media Leftism in those three surrounding regions really are Alpha female - Oceania being the masculine.
N.America (sky), S.America (Earth) and Sahul (Water) serve the (core) Middle-East (Fire).

Asia, Europe and Africa are being served by the Media of Oceania.

Ever get the feeling that the world is being run by others besides what you see on TV?  ;)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 12:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

How were you prevented Brian?

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 3:41pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:45am: I don't think this is the right response. Those promoting hatred of Jews are mostly very polished and know how to phrase their propaganda in ways that are superficially inoffensive and likely to appeal to deluded lefties. Meanwhile those within the extremist Muslim community don't exactly flaunt their views. All this will do is further erode honesty in public debate. The Prime Minister might be responding to Islamic terrorism by banning the use of Islamic and terrorism in the same sentence. The ABC probably did more than any other organisation to fuel the hatred of Jews in this country by publishing polished, woke propaganda for Hamas. The ABC likes to warn us about social media echo chambers, while creating one of their own. The PM needs to grow some balls, not try to castrate everyone else. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmneem1e89o Quote: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says his government will crack down on hate speech following Sunday's deadly shooting at Bondi Beach that targeted a Jewish festival. Fifteen people were killed when two gunmen opened fire at an event to mark the first day of Hanukkah. New laws will target "those who spread hate, division and radicalisation", Albanese told reporters in Canberra. Speaking of "polished propaganda" what do you think of what Bernie Sanders has said on the matter ?

I think it is not Netanyahu's war. Hamas started it. They could have finished it without further bloodshed at any time, simply by returning the Israeli hostages. Trying to blame Israel for Hamas' actions is a good example of that turd polishing.

Can you link to where Sanders actually says that?

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 9:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 3:41pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:45am: I don't think this is the right response. Those promoting hatred of Jews are mostly very polished and know how to phrase their propaganda in ways that are superficially inoffensive and likely to appeal to deluded lefties. Meanwhile those within the extremist Muslim community don't exactly flaunt their views. All this will do is further erode honesty in public debate. The Prime Minister might be responding to Islamic terrorism by banning the use of Islamic and terrorism in the same sentence. The ABC probably did more than any other organisation to fuel the hatred of Jews in this country by publishing polished, woke propaganda for Hamas. The ABC likes to warn us about social media echo chambers, while creating one of their own. The PM needs to grow some balls, not try to castrate everyone else. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmneem1e89o Quote: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says his government will crack down on hate speech following Sunday's deadly shooting at Bondi Beach that targeted a Jewish festival. Fifteen people were killed when two gunmen opened fire at an event to mark the first day of Hanukkah. New laws will target "those who spread hate, division and radicalisation", Albanese told reporters in Canberra. Speaking of "polished propaganda" what do you think of what Bernie Sanders has said on the matter ? I think it is not Netanyahu's war. Hamas started it. They could have finished it without further bloodshed at any time, simply by returning the Israeli hostages. Trying to blame Israel for Hamas' actions is a good example of that turd polishing. Can you link to where Sanders actually says that?

Here, help yourself ;)

https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders

What a copout FD. Yes, it could have been stopped long ago with the first ceasefire deal back in March, but Netanyahu needs to continue wars to save his own miserable political neck and keep out of jail !

In fact, I recently read there was a hostage deal on the table 2 days after Oct 7 for a full exchange of hostages with Palestinian prisoners, but guess what ? It was never about hostages with Satanyahu was it :(

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 9:36am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How were you prevented Brian?

I was banned by a Moderator without reason, Freediver.  So much for Freedom of Speech.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 10:06am:

freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:39am: Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 3:41pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:45am: I don't think this is the right response. Those promoting hatred of Jews are mostly very polished and know how to phrase their propaganda in ways that are superficially inoffensive and likely to appeal to deluded lefties. Meanwhile those within the extremist Muslim community don't exactly flaunt their views. All this will do is further erode honesty in public debate. The Prime Minister might be responding to Islamic terrorism by banning the use of Islamic and terrorism in the same sentence. The ABC probably did more than any other organisation to fuel the hatred of Jews in this country by publishing polished, woke propaganda for Hamas. The ABC likes to warn us about social media echo chambers, while creating one of their own. The PM needs to grow some balls, not try to castrate everyone else. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmneem1e89o Quote: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says his government will crack down on hate speech following Sunday's deadly shooting at Bondi Beach that targeted a Jewish festival. Fifteen people were killed when two gunmen opened fire at an event to mark the first day of Hanukkah. New laws will target "those who spread hate, division and radicalisation", Albanese told reporters in Canberra. Speaking of "polished propaganda" what do you think of what Bernie Sanders has said on the matter ? I think it is not Netanyahu's war. Hamas started it. They could have finished it without further bloodshed at any time, simply by returning the Israeli hostages. Trying to blame Israel for Hamas' actions is a good example of that turd polishing. Can you link to where Sanders actually says that? Here, help yourself ;) https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders What a copout FD. Yes, it could have been stopped long ago with the first ceasefire deal back in March, but Netanyahu needs to continue wars to save his own miserable political neck and keep out of jail ! In fact, I recently read there was a hostage deal on the table 2 days after Oct 7 for a full exchange of hostages with Palestinian prisoners, but guess what ? It was never about hostages with Satanyahu was it :(

So Hamas prolonging the war by holding on to the hostages for so long was actually a conspiracy by a Jewish politician?

Hamas was entirely to blame for the war. They started it and could have ended it at any time they wanted to. It takes a particular dedication to Jew hating to try to turn that around and blame the Jews.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 10:28am:

freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:36am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How were you prevented Brian? I was banned by a Moderator without reason, Freediver.  So much for Freedom of Speech.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian you appear to be suggesting that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel. Is that what you are saying?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 2:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian, you're a fake victim. You are allowed your say here every day.     Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) No I am not, Bobby.  I have been banned for periods up to a week.  You are full of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

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Jasin wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 5:38pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 2:57pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 2:32pm: Carl D wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:45pm: What are these "Australian Values" that Albanese and some of the other pollies keep waffling on about? "Attacks on Australian Values". Anyone? Do they mean the values of "I'm alright, Jack and stuff everyone else"? "You do you"? "Rip people off while making as much money as you can"? These and a few others like them seem to be the only "values" here in Australia and most of the rest of the world these days. F---ing hypocrites, the lot of them. They're Lefty values from American Wokism You are incapable of learning. I have already explained it to you: <<Judaism is based on OT scripture relating to a 'jealous'   bronze age 'god' (Jahweh). Much of it affronts the UN UDHR, and modern international law. Hence my 'Judeophobia'.    The great tragedy for world history is the Prophet chose the OT as his exemplar  of the 'One True God', from whom (in his understanding) the Jews had separated, resulting in Israel's destruction long berfore Islam appeared; hence the Jews in his time were regarded as 'Infidels" in Islam.>> Note: Oz values - according to Albo - are 'a fair go', and adherence to the 'international rules' system. Admittedly more in theory than in practice; but the RW are out and out 'might is right' neanderthals.    Actually, I'll leap frog you here.

"Leapfrog", meaning....ignore what  I said, rather than refute any of the points I made?

Anyway, let's read on - and you will notice I will either  agree with or refute any of the points you make; it's called debate in search of truth.


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After Zoroastrianism (Zarathustrianism) - a masculine Religion themed on the Elemental of Fire and a SCIENCE of Writing created at the Temple of Ur under the inspiration of SIN (Ab-sin-nanna), our Moon. It was primarily a tool of science to record down the logistics of everyday life, like harvests, lunar cycles and even the effect of the moon (SIN) upon our brains at a certain time of the month - which helped create writing. Zarathustra also used it to record all the pagan stories and myths, etc to form his Duality umbrella religion which in Greek is Zoroastrianism.

Good so far (disregarding your religious 'gender' constructs); I have been interested in Zoroastrianism since a well informed friend reckoned it was the best (most advanced) spiritual tradition of all men's religions.


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After the end of Summer and some following take over civilisations... A people decided to use Writing to set their bloodline in stone so to speak and cement it historically in an immortal state recorded that can transcend generations. With the pairing of Adam & Eve as the first Jews, not humanity.

Yes, the Sumerian civilization was indeed the homeland of Abraham - and possibly the birthplace of writing; Hebrews began recording their history founded on Abraham's conception of faith. But Jahweh was only one god of many in the region.

Which gets us back to  Zoroastrianism, ie,  the "Duality umbrella religion" you noted above.

It's 'Duality' - based on the eternal conflict between Good and Evil (as opposed to commandments from a 'supreme being') -  developed simultaneously with Judaism's 'jealous god' in a neighbouring area of the ME, and was eventually the religion adopted by the Persian empire.

And here's the thing: Cyrus the Great, enlightened through not being burdened by a 'jealous' god,  freed the Jews from their Babylonian  capitivity and allowed then to return to Jerusalem to rebuild their temple which had been destoyed by the  Babylonians. 


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The Jewish line became immortal but it was a feminine Religion and with usual marketing, commercialisation and ego. The Jews considered themselves more special (chosen) than others. Who, as you can guess, became the target of many jealousies through the ages and were persecuted.

Yes - very few leaders in history have been as enlightened as Cyrus the Great.


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Thus their destiny was set until the New World's turned time and history back on itself. Of course, two other feminine Religions (of Monotheism) emerged to claim the One God (chosen race) Only. The Middle-East became a place of Zoroastrianism and the other three influenced by Asia (Holy City), Europe (Holy Spirit) and finally Africa (Holy Land).

One error there: the two monotheistic filial religions of Judaism (Christianity and Islam)  considered all humanity to be subject to the One God (whether Biblical or Koranic); whereas Jews, told by Jahweh they were the 'Chosen people', rejected the two filial offshoots of Judaism.

........

My interpretation of history [l]encloses[/i]  yours (as opposed to 'leapfrogging' it):

1. Cyrus saved Judaism;

2. Constantine enabled Judaism - which always remained a minority religion of some millions of Jews, as opposed to the 2 great global religions now comprising billions of Christians and Muslims - to survive post the destruction of Israel by Rome, because the Jewish OT was incorporated as a prologue to the Christian NT, and 'piggy-backed' around the world ..   


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Anyway enough for now. JaSin (the Sin of Ur... the Sinner ;)

Yes, lots to get through there...not withstanding we are all sinners...

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 10:43am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:06am: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:39am: Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 3:41pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:45am: I don't think this is the right response. Those promoting hatred of Jews are mostly very polished and know how to phrase their propaganda in ways that are superficially inoffensive and likely to appeal to deluded lefties. Meanwhile those within the extremist Muslim community don't exactly flaunt their views. All this will do is further erode honesty in public debate. The Prime Minister might be responding to Islamic terrorism by banning the use of Islamic and terrorism in the same sentence. The ABC probably did more than any other organisation to fuel the hatred of Jews in this country by publishing polished, woke propaganda for Hamas. The ABC likes to warn us about social media echo chambers, while creating one of their own. The PM needs to grow some balls, not try to castrate everyone else. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmneem1e89o Quote: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says his government will crack down on hate speech following Sunday's deadly shooting at Bondi Beach that targeted a Jewish festival. Fifteen people were killed when two gunmen opened fire at an event to mark the first day of Hanukkah. New laws will target "those who spread hate, division and radicalisation", Albanese told reporters in Canberra. Speaking of "polished propaganda" what do you think of what Bernie Sanders has said on the matter ? I think it is not Netanyahu's war. Hamas started it. They could have finished it without further bloodshed at any time, simply by returning the Israeli hostages. Trying to blame Israel for Hamas' actions is a good example of that turd polishing. Can you link to where Sanders actually says that? Here, help yourself ;) https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders What a copout FD. Yes, it could have been stopped long ago with the first ceasefire deal back in March, but Netanyahu needs to continue wars to save his own miserable political neck and keep out of jail ! In fact, I recently read there was a hostage deal on the table 2 days after Oct 7 for a full exchange of hostages with Palestinian prisoners, but guess what ? It was never about hostages with Satanyahu was it :( So Hamas prolonging the war by holding on to the hostages for so long was actually a conspiracy by a Jewish politician? Hamas was entirely to blame for the war. They started it and could have ended it at any time they wanted to. It takes a particular dedication to Jew hating to try to turn that around and blame the Jews.

Not "entirely to blame" - that is the point. Oct the 7th didn't happen in a vacuum, as noted by Guterres himself.

The push back against outlawing "hate speech" (or free speech?)   is beginning.

Muslim leaders are worried that eg, 'supporting the intafada' will be considered "hate speech" and will be banned.

Definitions will need to be examined and clarified; supporting Islam against insult and oppression by 'infidels' might not be "hate-speech".

(google)

The classification of "supporting the intifada" as hate speech is a subject of intense debate, with its legality and definition varying significantly based on jurisdiction and context.

Ouch....

Gordon wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 10:44am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 2:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian, you're a fake victim. You are allowed your say here every day.     Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) No I am not, Bobby.  I have been banned for periods up to a week.  You are full of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) https://i.ibb.co/0Rjpx1Sg/Screenshot-2025-12-21-at-11-43-58-Australian-Politics-Forum-Banned-from-this-forum.png

Yes - Brian is such a hypocrite.    Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


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thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 11:48am:

freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:43am: Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:06am: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:39am: Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 3:41pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:45am: I don't think this is the right response. Those promoting hatred of Jews are mostly very polished and know how to phrase their propaganda in ways that are superficially inoffensive and likely to appeal to deluded lefties. Meanwhile those within the extremist Muslim community don't exactly flaunt their views. All this will do is further erode honesty in public debate. The Prime Minister might be responding to Islamic terrorism by banning the use of Islamic and terrorism in the same sentence. The ABC probably did more than any other organisation to fuel the hatred of Jews in this country by publishing polished, woke propaganda for Hamas. The ABC likes to warn us about social media echo chambers, while creating one of their own. The PM needs to grow some balls, not try to castrate everyone else. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmneem1e89o Quote: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says his government will crack down on hate speech following Sunday's deadly shooting at Bondi Beach that targeted a Jewish festival. Fifteen people were killed when two gunmen opened fire at an event to mark the first day of Hanukkah. New laws will target "those who spread hate, division and radicalisation", Albanese told reporters in Canberra. Speaking of "polished propaganda" what do you think of what Bernie Sanders has said on the matter ? I think it is not Netanyahu's war. Hamas started it. They could have finished it without further bloodshed at any time, simply by returning the Israeli hostages. Trying to blame Israel for Hamas' actions is a good example of that turd polishing. Can you link to where Sanders actually says that? Here, help yourself ;) https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders What a copout FD. Yes, it could have been stopped long ago with the first ceasefire deal back in March, but Netanyahu needs to continue wars to save his own miserable political neck and keep out of jail ! In fact, I recently read there was a hostage deal on the table 2 days after Oct 7 for a full exchange of hostages with Palestinian prisoners, but guess what ? It was never about hostages with Satanyahu was it :( So Hamas prolonging the war by holding on to the hostages for so long was actually a conspiracy by a Jewish politician? Hamas was entirely to blame for the war. They started it and could have ended it at any time they wanted to. It takes a particular dedication to Jew hating to try to turn that around and blame the Jews. Not "entirely to blame" - that is the point. Oct the 7th didn't happen in a vacuum, as noted by Guterres himself.

It happed after 1400 years of Muslim oppression of Jews, and the almost complete ethnic cleansing of Jews from the middle east outside of Israel.

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 12:28pm:

It happed after 1400 years of Muslim oppression of Jews, and the almost complete ethnic cleansing of Jews from the middle east outside of Israel.

A blinkered view of the vacuum Guterres referred to.

As a matter of fact, Jews still living in Roman Palestine welcomed the Muslim invaders of Palestine in 640AD   because they hated their Christian Byzantine (eastern Roman)  overlords. 

And much of the time since then, Jews in the Arab world lived in peace:

(google)

Jews lived in Arab lands for centuries with varying degrees of peace and prosperity, often as protected, albeit second-class, citizens (dhimmi), experiencing better conditions than in Christian Europe for long periods, but this coexistence was challenged by rising nationalism and political conflicts, especially around Zionism, ultimately leading to the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries after Israel's founding

Time for you to remove your blinkers, FD.

[And you might  look at #31 for the complete history of Judaism, if you do remove those blinkers...I won't hold my breath...)

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 12:51pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 12:28pm: It happed after 1400 years of Muslim oppression of Jews, and the almost complete ethnic cleansing of Jews from the middle east outside of Israel. A blinkered view of the vacuum Guterres referred to. As a matter of fact, Jews still living in Roman Palestine welcomed the Muslim invaders of Palestine in 640AD   because they hated their Christian Byzantine (eastern Roman)  overlords.  And much of the time since then, Jews in the Arab world lived in peace: (google) Jews lived in Arab lands for centuries with varying degrees of peace and prosperity, often as protected, albeit second-class, citizens (dhimmi), experiencing better conditions than in Christian Europe for long periods, but this coexistence was challenged by rising nationalism and political conflicts, especially around Zionism, ultimately leading to the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries after Israel's founding Time for you to remove your blinkers, FD. [And you might  look at #31 for the complete history of Judaism, if you do remove those blinkers...I won't hold my breath...)

Wow. You had to go back to before the Jews lived under Muslims for an example. How did that work out for them?

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freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 12:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 12:51pm: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 12:28pm: It happed after 1400 years of Muslim oppression of Jews, and the almost complete ethnic cleansing of Jews from the middle east outside of Israel. A blinkered view of the vacuum Guterres referred to. As a matter of fact, Jews still living in Roman Palestine welcomed the Muslim invaders of Palestine in 640AD   because they hated their Christian Byzantine (eastern Roman)  overlords.  And much of the time since then, Jews in the Arab world lived in peace: (google) Jews lived in Arab lands for centuries with varying degrees of peace and prosperity, often as protected, albeit second-class, citizens (dhimmi), experiencing better conditions than in Christian Europe for long periods, but this coexistence was challenged by rising nationalism and political conflicts, especially around Zionism, ultimately leading to the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries after Israel's founding Time for you to remove your blinkers, FD. [And you might  look at #31 for the complete history of Judaism, if you do remove those blinkers...I won't hold my breath...) Wow. You had to go back to before the Jews lived under Muslims for an example. How did that work out for them?

Your error: you claimed 1400 years of Jewish  oppression by Muslims ie since the Arab conquest beginning with Byzantine Palestine in 640AD; I noted the reality over those 1400 years, starting with the fact Jews welcomed their  liberation from Byzantine overlords.

Tp repeat (since you didn't read it the first time)

Jews lived in Arab lands for centuries with varying degrees of peace and prosperity, often as protected, albeit second-class, citizens (dhimmi), experiencing better conditions than in Christian Europe for long periods, but this coexistence was challenged by rising nationalism and political conflicts, especially around Zionism, ultimately leading to the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries after Israel's founding

Try to read it this time.


The "long before" history examined in #31 was a merely a suggestion by me to educate yourself re the history of Judaism before the Muslim conquests before Islam existed, and  before the 1400 years you  erroneously characterised as "oppression" by Muslims.   

I now see you are so blinkered you decided you didn't have to comment on the error you made re "oppression" in those 1400 years.


   

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Jews lived in Arab lands for centuries with varying degrees of peace and prosperity

;D

They also lived under Nazi rule. To varying degrees.

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freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 2:06pm:

Quote: Jews lived in Arab lands for centuries with varying degrees of peace and prosperity They also lived under Nazi rule. To varying degrees.

Blinker alert: while Jews  lived in peace and prosperity to varying degrees in Muslim lands for centuries after the multi-nation  Islamic conquests (and often better than in Christian Europe), people identified as Jews certainly didn't experience ANY prosperity or peace afer the Nazis took power in Germany.

Your extreme  stretching/distortion  of the meaning of "to varying degrees" merely proves the effectiveness of your ideological blinkers...

The latest action:


PM announces review of intelligence and law enforcement
in wake of Bondi attack | ABC NEWS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpmSOwTiHAc


Mass immigration is out of control and Albo has to put a lid on criticism
to save his butt.

He's a Dictator and Commie.

Jasin wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 6:08pm:

He's a Dictator and Commie.

His mass immigration has back fired in his face -
he brought in Muslim troublemakers and now has to
attack free speech when people say - we told you so.  tsk tsk tsk....    ::)     ::)   

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 6:30pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:08pm: He's a Dictator and Commie. His mass immigration has back fired in his face - he brought in Muslim troublemakers and now has to attack free speech when people say - we told you so.  tsk tsk tsk....    ::)     ::)

What a shame, hey that all the Islamists arrived under the Liberals. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 6:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:30pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:08pm: He's a Dictator and Commie. His mass immigration has back fired in his face - he brought in Muslim troublemakers and now has to attack free speech when people say - we told you so.  tsk tsk tsk....    ::)     ::)    What a shame, hey that all the Islamists arrived under the Liberals. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

All our leaders from our Uniparty betrayed us.

Albo is even worse than ScoMo.

Gordon wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 6:54pm:

Albo is even worse than ScoMo.

Posted on 22 July 2021 by David Evans      


https://wentworthreport.com/2021/07/22/australian-immigration-policy/

The Wentworth Report


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Semi-official admission by anti-democratic elite —
we never voted for high immigration:

    Back in 1994, launching a book of essays, former prime minister Bob Hawke made the remarkably frank admission that immigration policy had effectively been a conspiracy by the political establishment against the Australian public.


Hawke agreed with one author’s observation that most voters wanted immigration reduced and that the parties had deliberately kept it out of public debate, saying there had indeed been “an implicit pact between the major parties to implement broad policies on immigration that they know are not generally endorsed by the electorate” and that “they have done this by keeping the subject off the political agenda”

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 12:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 12:51pm: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 12:28pm: It happed after 1400 years of Muslim oppression of Jews, and the almost complete ethnic cleansing of Jews from the middle east outside of Israel. A blinkered view of the vacuum Guterres referred to. As a matter of fact, Jews still living in Roman Palestine welcomed the Muslim invaders of Palestine in 640AD   because they hated their Christian Byzantine (eastern Roman)  overlords.  And much of the time since then, Jews in the Arab world lived in peace: (google) Jews lived in Arab lands for centuries with varying degrees of peace and prosperity, often as protected, albeit second-class, citizens (dhimmi), experiencing better conditions than in Christian Europe for long periods, but this coexistence was challenged by rising nationalism and political conflicts, especially around Zionism, ultimately leading to the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries after Israel's founding Time for you to remove your blinkers, FD. [And you might  look at #31 for the complete history of Judaism, if you do remove those blinkers...I won't hold my breath...) Wow. You had to go back to before the Jews lived under Muslims for an example. How did that work out for them? http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/ethnic_cleansing.jpg

They live in Iran today with no issues, I believe ;)

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 3:41pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:06pm: Quote: Jews lived in Arab lands for centuries with varying degrees of peace and prosperity They also lived under Nazi rule. To varying degrees. Blinker alert: while Jews  lived in peace and prosperity to varying degrees in Muslim lands for centuries after the multi-nation  Islamic conquests (and often better than in Christian Europe), people identified as Jews certainly didn't experience ANY prosperity or peace afer the Nazis took power in Germany. Your extreme  stretching/distortion  of the meaning of "to varying degrees" merely proves the effectiveness of your ideological blinkers...

;D

There it is again. "To varying degrees." Is that a common phase in CCP propaganda? No-one prospers under Islamic rule. That is why the middle east and north africa, which were the most advanced human civilisation for the 10000 years prior to Islam, are now among the most backwards ad oppressive places on earth.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/ethnic_cleansing.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 6:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:54pm: Albo is even worse than ScoMo. Posted on 22 July 2021 by David Evans

You've been warned about posting rumours as Fact, Bobby.  Why do you keep on doing it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 9:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:58pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:54pm: Albo is even worse than ScoMo. Posted on 22 July 2021 by David Evans       You've been warned about posting rumours as Fact, Bobby.  Why do you keep on doing it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

I trust the Wentworth Report.

All the leaders from our Uniparty betrayed us.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 12:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 9:47am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:58pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:54pm: Albo is even worse than ScoMo. Posted on 22 July 2021 by David Evans       You've been warned about posting rumours as Fact, Bobby.  Why do you keep on doing it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) I trust the Wentworth Report. All the leaders from our Uniparty betrayed us.

As it's source is Abbots ex-Girlfriend, it is very suspect, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 10:44am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:28am: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:36am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How were you prevented Brian? I was banned by a Moderator without reason, Freediver.  So much for Freedom of Speech.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian you appear to be suggesting that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel. Is that what you are saying?

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 12:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:01pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 9:47am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:58pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:54pm: Albo is even worse than ScoMo. Posted on 22 July 2021 by David Evans       You've been warned about posting rumours as Fact, Bobby.  Why do you keep on doing it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) I trust the Wentworth Report. All the leaders from our Uniparty betrayed us. As it's source is Abbots ex-Girlfriend, it is very suspect, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

It accuses the Labor and Liberal party of being a Uni Party club,
it puts a pox on both of them.

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 12:44pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:44am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:28am: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:36am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How were you prevented Brian? I was banned by a Moderator without reason, Freediver.  So much for Freedom of Speech.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian you appear to be suggesting that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel. Is that what you are saying? ?

I must have missed your message, Freediver, I apologise.  You run a pubic bulletin board?  No one is required to read any of what I post but under your supposed belief in Freedom of Speech, you are I supposedly meant to air it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 12:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:01pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 9:47am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:58pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:54pm: Albo is even worse than ScoMo. Posted on 22 July 2021 by David Evans       You've been warned about posting rumours as Fact, Bobby.  Why do you keep on doing it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) I trust the Wentworth Report. All the leaders from our Uniparty betrayed us. As it's source is Abbots ex-Girlfriend, it is very suspect, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) It accuses the Labor and Liberal party of being a Uni Party club, it puts a pox on both of them.

It is rumour, Bobby, nothing more.  You can post it but you need to mark it as rumour.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 1:09pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:44am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:28am: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:36am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How were you prevented Brian? I was banned by a Moderator without reason, Freediver.  So much for Freedom of Speech.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian you appear to be suggesting that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel. Is that what you are saying? ? I must have missed your message, Freediver, I apologise.  You run a pubic bulletin board?  No one is required to read any of what I post but under your supposed belief in Freedom of Speech, you are I supposedly meant to air it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You are speaking gibberish Brian. How was your freedom of speech actually limited?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 1:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:01pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 9:47am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:58pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:54pm: Albo is even worse than ScoMo. Posted on 22 July 2021 by David Evans       You've been warned about posting rumours as Fact, Bobby.  Why do you keep on doing it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) I trust the Wentworth Report. All the leaders from our Uniparty betrayed us. As it's source is Abbots ex-Girlfriend, it is very suspect, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) It accuses the Labor and Liberal party of being a Uni Party club, it puts a pox on both of them. It is rumour, Bobby, nothing more.  You can post it but you need to mark it as rumour.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Dear Brian,
many blessings.

Do you deny that Labor and Liberals kept the subject of mass immigration off the political agenda?

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 1:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:09pm: freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:44am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:28am: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:36am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How were you prevented Brian? I was banned by a Moderator without reason, Freediver.  So much for Freedom of Speech.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian you appear to be suggesting that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel. Is that what you are saying? ? I must have missed your message, Freediver, I apologise.  You run a pubic bulletin board?  No one is required to read any of what I post but under your supposed belief in Freedom of Speech, you are I supposedly meant to air it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) You are speaking gibberish Brian. How was your freedom of speech actually limited?

I was no longer allowed to post my opinion in multiple news groups. In particular you, yourself said  I was no longer to post to Aboriginal Affairs because no one else had commented on the posts I had made.  In addition, Setanta intructed me that I am not allowed to post anything in the General forum.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 6:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:54pm: Albo is even worse than ScoMo. Posted on 22 July 2021 by David Evans       https://wentworthreport.com/2021/07/22/australian-immigration-policy/ The Wentworth Report https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=700,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/118/007/329/original/891aaddc57fc1a79.jpg Semi-official admission by anti-democratic elite — we never voted for high immigration:     Back in 1994, launching a book of essays, former prime minister Bob Hawke made the remarkably frank admission that immigration policy had effectively been a conspiracy by the political establishment against the Australian public. Hawke agreed with one author’s observation that most voters wanted immigration reduced and that the parties had deliberately kept it out of public debate, saying there had indeed been “an implicit pact between the major parties to implement broad policies on immigration that they know are not generally endorsed by the electorate” and that “they have done this by keeping the subject off the political agenda”

It's just a lazy way to have economic growth and raise GDP.

Import 200,000 people a year and most will be trolley boys or Uber drivers or on welfare but they all ADD  to GDP  because they mean more activity.

Even those 2 shooters raise GDP.

All the overtime for cops, all the operations and hospital treatments, the law suits, the florists, the funerals,the new NDIS Applicants, the psychologists , the journalists, the flags.
It is ALL. economic activity and chalmers can get up and say

"We grew the economy"

Politicians don't care.
They don't commute, they don't wait in overcrowded casualties, they don't send their kids to public schools where the teacher has to spend half the class translating English

Stop the immigration and you upset the ponsi scheme and pyramid selling.
You would need to have real businesses.
House prices would drop, people would feel poorer, they would stop spending

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 1:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:01pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 9:47am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:58pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:54pm: Albo is even worse than ScoMo. Posted on 22 July 2021 by David Evans       You've been warned about posting rumours as Fact, Bobby.  Why do you keep on doing it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) I trust the Wentworth Report. All the leaders from our Uniparty betrayed us. As it's source is Abbots ex-Girlfriend, it is very suspect, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) It accuses the Labor and Liberal party of being a Uni Party club, it puts a pox on both of them. It is rumour, Bobby, nothing more.  You can post it but you need to mark it as rumour.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Dear Brian, many blessings. Do you deny that Labor and Liberals kept the subject of mass immigration off the political agenda?

I often see immigration in the news, Bobby.  Seems they are doing a terrible job then if that is their aim, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 1:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:58pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:54pm: Albo is even worse than ScoMo. Posted on 22 July 2021 by David Evans       https://wentworthreport.com/2021/07/22/australian-immigration-policy/ The Wentworth Report https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=700,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/118/007/329/original/891aaddc57fc1a79.jpg Semi-official admission by anti-democratic elite — we never voted for high immigration:     Back in 1994, launching a book of essays, former prime minister Bob Hawke made the remarkably frank admission that immigration policy had effectively been a conspiracy by the political establishment against the Australian public. Hawke agreed with one author’s observation that most voters wanted immigration reduced and that the parties had deliberately kept it out of public debate, saying there had indeed been “an implicit pact between the major parties to implement broad policies on immigration that they know are not generally endorsed by the electorate” and that “they have done this by keeping the subject off the political agenda” It's just a lazy way to have economic growth and raise GDP. Import 200,000 people a year and most will be trolley boys or Uber drivers or on welfare but they all ADD  to GDP  because they mean more activity. Even those 2 shooters raise GDP. All the overtime for cops, all the operations and hospital treatments, the law suits, the florists, the funerals,the new NDIS Applicants, the psychologists , the journalists, the flags. It is ALL. economic activity and chalmers can get up and say "We grew the economy" Politicians don't care. They don't commute, they don't wait in overcrowded casualties, they don't send their kids to public schools where the teacher has to spend half the class translating English Stop the immigration and you upset the ponsi scheme and pyramid selling. You would need to have real businesses. House prices would drop, people would feel poorer, they would stop spending

Ah.

Scapegoating: Economic and political analysts note a growing trend where migrants and multiculturalism are scapegoated for the negative impacts of neoliberal policies and economic instability, such as austerity and wage depression.

"This redirection of anger, often fueled by far-right politics, is seen as a way to obscure the systemic failures of capitalism itself.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:35pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:09pm: freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:44am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:28am: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:36am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How were you prevented Brian? I was banned by a Moderator without reason, Freediver.  So much for Freedom of Speech.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian you appear to be suggesting that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel. Is that what you are saying? ? I must have missed your message, Freediver, I apologise.  You run a pubic bulletin board?  No one is required to read any of what I post but under your supposed belief in Freedom of Speech, you are I supposedly meant to air it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) You are speaking gibberish Brian. How was your freedom of speech actually limited? I was no longer allowed to post my opinion in multiple news groups. In particular you, yourself said  I was no longer to post to Aboriginal Affairs because no one else had commented on the posts I had made.  In addition, Setanta intructed me that I am not allowed to post anything in the General forum.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

That is not what I said Brian.

What has any of this got to do with freedom of speech? Are you, or are you not, claiming that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? Or are you merely so desperate for people to hear your whinge about being banned that you are pretending to think your freedom of speech has been limited?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 1:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:45pm: Dear Brian, many blessings. Do you deny that Labor and Liberals kept the subject of mass immigration off the political agenda? I often see immigration in the news, Bobby.  Seems they are doing a terrible job then if that is their aim, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

We're talking about the last 30 years or more -
not what has made it into the news for the last 2 years.    ::)

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 1:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:35pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:09pm: freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:44am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:28am: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:36am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How were you prevented Brian? I was banned by a Moderator without reason, Freediver.  So much for Freedom of Speech.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian you appear to be suggesting that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel. Is that what you are saying? ? I must have missed your message, Freediver, I apologise.  You run a pubic bulletin board?  No one is required to read any of what I post but under your supposed belief in Freedom of Speech, you are I supposedly meant to air it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) You are speaking gibberish Brian. How was your freedom of speech actually limited? I was no longer allowed to post my opinion in multiple news groups. In particular you, yourself said  I was no longer to post to Aboriginal Affairs because no one else had commented on the posts I had made.  In addition, Setanta intructed me that I am not allowed to post anything in the General forum.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) That is not what I said Brian. What has any of this got to do with freedom of speech? Are you, or are you not, claiming that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? Or are you merely so desperate for people to hear your whinge about being banned that you are pretending to think your freedom of speech has been limited?

Am I allowed to publish your message, Freediver?  It would clear up this argument one way or the other?  People do not have to read what I post in the slightest.  You, on the otherhand run a public bulletin board, you proclaim you  believe in Freedom of Speech, which means in my mind that you should allow me to post my opinion.  You appear to be limiting it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:49pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:45pm: Dear Brian, many blessings. Do you deny that Labor and Liberals kept the subject of mass immigration off the political agenda? I often see immigration in the news, Bobby.  Seems they are doing a terrible job then if that is their aim, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) We're talking about the last 30 years or more - not what has made it into the news for the last 2 years.    ::)

I have often read about it in the last 30 years, Bobby.  Under your Bridge you might have missed all the stories but they happened.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 1:48pm:

It's just a lazy way to have economic growth and raise GDP. Import 200,000 people a year and most will be trolley boys or Uber drivers or on welfare but they all ADD  to GDP  because they mean more activity. Even those 2 shooters raise GDP. All the overtime for cops, all the operations and hospital treatments, the law suits, the florists, the funerals,the new NDIS Applicants, the psychologists , the journalists, the flags. It is ALL. economic activity and chalmers can get up and say "We grew the economy" Politicians don't care. They don't commute, they don't wait in overcrowded casualties, they don't send their kids to public schools where the teacher has to spend half the class translating English Stop the immigration and you upset the ponsi scheme and pyramid selling. You would need to have real businesses. House prices would drop, people would feel poorer, they would stop spending

This is getting a bit off topic but we need immigration -
just the right people - not mass uncontrolled immigration of millions of people
when there is nowhere proper for them to live and no chance they will assimilate.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 2:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:49pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:45pm: Dear Brian, many blessings. Do you deny that Labor and Liberals kept the subject of mass immigration off the political agenda? I often see immigration in the news, Bobby.  Seems they are doing a terrible job then if that is their aim, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) We're talking about the last 30 years or more - not what has made it into the news for the last 2 years.    ::) I have often read about it in the last 30 years, Bobby.  Under your Bridge you might have missed all the stories but they happened.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

We read it about during the children overboard years of Howard
but the real immigration happened every day via the airlines
and it got no exposure in parliament.   ::)

We went from a population of 17 million to nearly 28 million very fast.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 2:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:10pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:49pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:45pm: Dear Brian, many blessings. Do you deny that Labor and Liberals kept the subject of mass immigration off the political agenda? I often see immigration in the news, Bobby.  Seems they are doing a terrible job then if that is their aim, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) We're talking about the last 30 years or more - not what has made it into the news for the last 2 years.    ::) I have often read about it in the last 30 years, Bobby.  Under your Bridge you might have missed all the stories but they happened.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) We read it about during the children overboard years of Howard but the real immigration happened every day via the airlines and it got no exposure in parliament.   ::) We went from a population of 17 million to nearly 28 million very fast.

So, now you change your story?  You seem to be admitting that we read about Immigration during  the last 30 years.  Funny that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 2:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:10pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:49pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:45pm: Dear Brian, many blessings. Do you deny that Labor and Liberals kept the subject of mass immigration off the political agenda? I often see immigration in the news, Bobby.  Seems they are doing a terrible job then if that is their aim, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) We're talking about the last 30 years or more - not what has made it into the news for the last 2 years.    ::) I have often read about it in the last 30 years, Bobby.  Under your Bridge you might have missed all the stories but they happened.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) We read it about during the children overboard years of Howard but the real immigration happened every day via the airlines and it got no exposure in parliament.   ::) We went from a population of 17 million to nearly 28 million very fast. So, now you change your story?  You seem to be admitting that we read about Immigration during  the last 30 years.  Funny that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

it got no exposure in parliament.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 2:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:10pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:49pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:45pm: Dear Brian, many blessings. Do you deny that Labor and Liberals kept the subject of mass immigration off the political agenda? I often see immigration in the news, Bobby.  Seems they are doing a terrible job then if that is their aim, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) We're talking about the last 30 years or more - not what has made it into the news for the last 2 years.    ::) I have often read about it in the last 30 years, Bobby.  Under your Bridge you might have missed all the stories but they happened.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) We read it about during the children overboard years of Howard but the real immigration happened every day via the airlines and it got no exposure in parliament.   ::) We went from a population of 17 million to nearly 28 million very fast. So, now you change your story?  You seem to be admitting that we read about Immigration during  the last 30 years.  Funny that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) it got no exposure in parliament.

Your were hiding under your Bridge, Bobby.  We spoke about it nearly every day.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) 

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 3:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:25pm: it got no exposure in parliament. Your were hiding under your Bridge, Bobby.  We spoke about it nearly every day. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

We spoke about it but not in parliament.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

It's always the elephant in the room that gets ignored by the pollys.

Question time is a joke - a disgrace to our so called democracy.

Here we go:
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Hansard/Hansard_Display?bid=chamber/hansardr/27623/&sid=0104#:~:text=Mr%20SUKKAR%20(Deakin)%20(16,in%20than%20homes%20being%20built.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 2:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:48pm: It's just a lazy way to have economic growth and raise GDP. Import 200,000 people a year and most will be trolley boys or Uber drivers or on welfare but they all ADD  to GDP  because they mean more activity. Even those 2 shooters raise GDP. All the overtime for cops, all the operations and hospital treatments, the law suits, the florists, the funerals,the new NDIS Applicants, the psychologists , the journalists, the flags. It is ALL. economic activity and chalmers can get up and say "We grew the economy" Politicians don't care. They don't commute, they don't wait in overcrowded casualties, they don't send their kids to public schools where the teacher has to spend half the class translating English Stop the immigration and you upset the ponsi scheme and pyramid selling. You would need to have real businesses. House prices would drop, people would feel poorer, they would stop spending This is getting a bit off topic but we need immigration - just the right people - not mass uncontrolled immigration of millions of people when there is nowhere proper for them to live and no chance they will assimilate.

All politicians dream of a big Australia.
Peter costello, hawke and Keating, rudd, scomo, albo.

Most local councils dream of big councils, lots of sub divisions, more rate payers.

Like a macdonalds franchise , more customers is always better.

There is a tendency to mediocrity when you go that route.
The mass market is always a bit bland a medicore.
Lots of dog box houses , with Netflix and fast food outlets.


A few local councils on the fringe of brisbane have gone a different route.

Boonah shire, brunswick heads in northern NSW, maleny on the Sunshine Coast.

Very few sub divisions, no junk food outlets, no splitting up farm blocks, no unit blocks or very few.

The result is shires where people want to live.
The rates are a bit higher as there are less lumps of meat to pat rates but the sense of community and lifestyle is much superior.
And then you attract all the quality restaurants and bakerys and tourist business and you can exploit that to fund your council.

Bigger is not always better.

Maccas and kfc are not superior to a locally run restaurant and a great bakery

and going back in time:
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Hansard/Hansard_Display?bid=chamber/hansardr/e5ff85d2-b96e-4e0e-8227-2131e40beaf7/&sid=0071#:~:text=Ms%20BUTLER%20(Griffith)%20(10,a%20cessation%20of%20the%20visa.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 3:18pm:

Maccas and kfc are not superior to a locally run restaurant and a great bakery

There's a certain rapist and convicted felon who would disagree with you.

https://phantom.estaticos-marca.com/ddffb895d5d89ba0ead60a1a61bdbfe8/resize/828/f/jpg/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2024/12/27/17353251566031.jpg

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 2:07pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:48pm: freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:35pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:09pm: freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:44am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:28am: freediver wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:36am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:31pm: Quote: I, personally have suffered limiting of my Freedom of Speech as have other posters. Are you sure about that Brian? How was your freedom of speech limited? I acknowledge that you are afraid to have your own opinion on many subjects, but it does not stop you speaking about them. You just cannot say anything. I am pretty sure this is something internal from you, not someone making you scared. I was prevented from expressing my disgust with so much that was posted here.  I have my own opinion it just doesn't gell with yours, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) How were you prevented Brian? I was banned by a Moderator without reason, Freediver.  So much for Freedom of Speech.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Brian you appear to be suggesting that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel. Is that what you are saying? ? I must have missed your message, Freediver, I apologise.  You run a pubic bulletin board?  No one is required to read any of what I post but under your supposed belief in Freedom of Speech, you are I supposedly meant to air it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) You are speaking gibberish Brian. How was your freedom of speech actually limited? I was no longer allowed to post my opinion in multiple news groups. In particular you, yourself said  I was no longer to post to Aboriginal Affairs because no one else had commented on the posts I had made.  In addition, Setanta intructed me that I am not allowed to post anything in the General forum.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) That is not what I said Brian. What has any of this got to do with freedom of speech? Are you, or are you not, claiming that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? Or are you merely so desperate for people to hear your whinge about being banned that you are pretending to think your freedom of speech has been limited? Am I allowed to publish your message, Freediver?  It would clear up this argument one way or the other?  People do not have to read what I post in the slightest.  You, on the otherhand run a public bulletin board, you proclaim you  believe in Freedom of Speech, which means in my mind that you should allow me to post my opinion.  You appear to be limiting it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Sure. You can publish it. But can you give a straight answer to the question I have been asking you?

Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel?

aquascoot wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 3:18pm:

All politicians dream of a big Australia. Peter costello, hawke and Keating, rudd, scomo, albo. Most local councils dream of big councils, lots of sub divisions, more rate payers. Like a macdonalds franchise , more customers is always better. There is a tendency to mediocrity when you go that route. The mass market is always a bit bland a medicore. Lots of dog box houses , with Netflix and fast food outlets. A few local councils on the fringe of brisbane have gone a different route. Boonah shire, brunswick heads in northern NSW, maleny on the Sunshine Coast. Very few sub divisions, no junk food outlets, no splitting up farm blocks, no unit blocks or very few. The result is shires where people want to live. The rates are a bit higher as there are less lumps of meat to pat rates but the sense of community and lifestyle is much superior. And then you attract all the quality restaurants and bakerys and tourist business and you can exploit that to fund your council. Bigger is not always better. Maccas and kfc are not superior to a locally run restaurant and a great bakery

Our politicians are traitors.
They make policies that they know the vast majority of voters disagree with.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 1:48pm:

I was no longer allowed to post my opinion in multiple news groups. In particular you, yourself said  I was no longer to post to Aboriginal Affairs because no one else had commented on the posts I had made.  In addition, Setanta intructed me that I am not allowed to post anything in the General forum.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

ABC headlines with tut tuts and eyerolling are not opinions.

More people are banned from your Defence sandpit than from any other sub forum, simply for disagreeing with you, the 'moderator'. The sandpit is almost entirely a list of headlines from the ABC. A total waste.
The Defence subforum should be taken away from you, you have ruined it, as you ruin every thread you post your inane tut tuts and eyerolling in.

Albo believes if he can stop people talking about the extreme Islam terror massacre then he will be back in control.

Until then next extreme ☪️ Islam terror attack takes place.

But by then he will have complete control over the media and  social media and will stop anyone finding out.

Kinda reminds me of other communist regimes  laws?

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 3:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:07pm: Am I allowed to publish your message, Freediver?  It would clear up this argument one way or the other?  People do not have to read what I post in the slightest.  You, on the otherhand run a public bulletin board, you proclaim you  believe in Freedom of Speech, which means in my mind that you should allow me to post my opinion.  You appear to be limiting it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Sure. You can publish it. But can you give a straight answer to the question I have been asking you?

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Sender: freediver To: Brian Ross Subject: Aboriginal affairs Date: 16th Oct 2025 at 14:24:32 Please do not start any new threads on Aboriginal Affairs while you have 5 or more other threads that no-one else has responded to.

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Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel?

If you publish a public bulletin board and you claim to support Freedom of Speech your being a tad hypocritical by limiting my posts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 4:31pm:

Albo believes if he can stop people talking about the extreme Islam terror massacre then he will be back in control. Until then next extreme ☪️ Islam terror attack takes place. But by then he will have complete control over the media and  social media and will stop anyone finding out. Kinda reminds me of other communist regimes  laws?

You are overlooking the muzzie dude who risked his life so that there weren't 30 casualties instead of only 15. Tsk,tsk,tsk....

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 4:43pm:

Quote: Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? If you publish a public bulletin board and you claim to support Freedom of Speech your being a tad hypocritical by limiting my posts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

That is still not an answer to the question Brian. Try again. This time, try thinking for yourself, and speaking for yourself, rather than trying to tell others what you think they think. Do let me know if you are having difficulty understanding it.

Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel?

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 4:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:43pm: Quote: Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? If you publish a public bulletin board and you claim to support Freedom of Speech your being a tad hypocritical by limiting my posts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) That is still not an answer to the question Brian. Try again. This time, try thinking for yourself, and speaking for yourself, rather than trying to tell others what you think they think. Do let me know if you are having difficulty understanding it. Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel?

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Sender: freediver To: Brian Ross Subject: Aboriginal affairs Date: 16th Oct 2025 at 14:24:32 Please do not start any new threads on Aboriginal Affairs while you have 5 or more other threads that no-one else has responded to.

Keep running, Freediver.  Answer my point.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 8:42am:

There it is again. "To varying degrees." Is that a common phase in CCP propaganda? No-one prospers under Islamic rule. That is why the middle east and north africa, which were the most advanced human civilisation for the 10000 years prior to Islam, are now among the most backwards ad oppressive places on earth.

Gosh FD, ever heard of the Golden Age of Islam  (c.800-1200AD)?

Baghdad and Cordoba were among the richest, most culturally advanced cities in the world in the 11th century; and the Blue Mosque in Istanbul was one of the world's great architectural achievements, built little more than  a century and a half(c 1620) after the Muslim conquest of former Constantinople, during the peak of the Ottoman empire.

The reasons for Islam's decline are complex...

(Speaking of decline: you mentioned the CCP; I'd love to be able to see what the CCP can achieve in the next 25 years vis a vis the US, at the centenary of its ascension to power.  China might fail if the CCP makes major mistakes, but China might also be twice the size of the US economy at that time; and the Chinese people generally support the central government which is a solid foundation for success - unlike the mess in many democracies.)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:06pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:43pm: Quote: Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? If you publish a public bulletin board and you claim to support Freedom of Speech your being a tad hypocritical by limiting my posts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) That is still not an answer to the question Brian. Try again. This time, try thinking for yourself, and speaking for yourself, rather than trying to tell others what you think they think. Do let me know if you are having difficulty understanding it. Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? [quote]Sender: freediver To: Brian Ross Subject: Aboriginal affairs Date: 16th Oct 2025 at 14:24:32 Please do not start any new threads on Aboriginal Affairs while you have 5 or more other threads that no-one else has responded to.

Keep running, Freediver.  Answer my point.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)[/quote]


ABC headlines with tut tuts and eyerolling are not opinions.

More people are banned from your Defence sandpit than from any other sub forum, simply for disagreeing with you, the 'moderator'. The sandpit is almost entirely a list of headlines from the ABC. A total waste.
The Defence subforum should be taken away from you, you have ruined it, as you ruin every thread you post your inane tut tuts and eyerolling in.

You are ruining the Aboriginal Affairs subforum the same way but without the right to ban others.

Your contributions are shite: ABC headlines and supercilious Bbwiyawnesque tut tuts and eyerolling. You have killed off your own foripum with that crap and you are here infesting every subforum a thread with the same inanity.

But boasting about being "more educated than most here".

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 8:42am: There it is again. "To varying degrees." Is that a common phase in CCP propaganda? No-one prospers under Islamic rule. That is why the middle east and north africa, which were the most advanced human civilisation for the 10000 years prior to Islam, are now among the most backwards ad oppressive places on earth. Gosh FD, ever heard of the Golden Age of Islam  (c.800-1200AD)? The reasons for Islam's decline are complex...

They are not complex at all. They can be summed up in one word: Islam.

THAT'S what you need to face and address. That is the problem and the only solution is to address the problem.

And it goes on....

Protesters chant phrase premier wants banned

Protesters have chanted “globalise the intifada” at a rally in central Sydney.

NSW Premier Chris Minns has flagged his intentions to ban the phrase, which he has described as “hateful, violent rhetoric”.

“From Gadigal to Gaza, globalise the intifada,” protesters chanted.

Palestinian activists argue the intifada chant is not antisemitic, rather an Arabic word meaning to shake off.

Jewish groups say the phrase calls for violence against Jews.

NSW Greens MP Amanda Cohn and NSW Council for Civil Liberties president Timothy Roberts were in attendance at the Sydney protest.

In Melbourne, Anti-Zionism Australia organiser David Glanz told a separate protest on the steps of Victoria’s parliament attendees “have contributed to globalising the intifada”.

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 12:19pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:52am: Amazing ,he was happy for people to chant kill the Jews for two  and a half years? From memory, they were chanting "where's the Jews?". Took them a while, but they found them. One step closer to a free Palestine, apparently.

Yes, killing Jews in Oz won't achieve anything but state repression of Muslims in Oz; but given Israelis have been progressively,  illegally annexing the WB and East Jerusalem since the '67 war, at the conclusion of which the UN adopted UN res 242 (".....the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible"....), what would you suggest Muslims do, to realize UN res 181? 

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 12:19pm: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:52am: Amazing ,he was happy for people to chant kill the Jews for two  and a half years? From memory, they were chanting "where's the Jews?". Took them a while, but they found them. One step closer to a free Palestine, apparently. Yes, killing Jews in Oz won't achieve anything but state repression of Muslims in Oz; but given Israelis have been progressively,  illegally annexing the WB and East Jerusalem since the '67 war, at the conclusion of which the UN adopted UN res 242 (".....the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible"....), what would you suggest Muslims do, to realize UN res 181?

A moronic question from a moron.

Gordon wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:38pm:

And it goes on.... Protesters chant phrase premier wants banned Protesters have chanted “globalise the intifada” at a rally in central Sydney. NSW Premier Chris Minns has flagged his intentions to ban the phrase, which he has described as “hateful, violent rhetoric”. “From Gadigal to Gaza, globalise the intifada,” protesters chanted. Palestinian activists argue the intifada chant is not antisemitic, rather an Arabic word meaning to shake off. Jewish groups say the phrase calls for violence against Jews. NSW Greens MP Amanda Cohn and NSW Council for Civil Liberties president Timothy Roberts were in attendance at the Sydney protest. In Melbourne, Anti-Zionism Australia organiser David Glanz told a separate protest on the steps of Victoria’s parliament attendees “have contributed to globalising the intifada”.

The restraint of Australian - and the English, Germans, Dutch, Irish, Austrians, etc - is amazing.

Or is it cowardice in the face of Islam?

Frank wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:45pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:38pm: And it goes on.... Protesters chant phrase premier wants banned Protesters have chanted “globalise the intifada” at a rally in central Sydney. NSW Premier Chris Minns has flagged his intentions to ban the phrase, which he has described as “hateful, violent rhetoric”. “From Gadigal to Gaza, globalise the intifada,” protesters chanted. Palestinian activists argue the intifada chant is not antisemitic, rather an Arabic word meaning to shake off. Jewish groups say the phrase calls for violence against Jews. NSW Greens MP Amanda Cohn and NSW Council for Civil Liberties president Timothy Roberts were in attendance at the Sydney protest. In Melbourne, Anti-Zionism Australia organiser David Glanz told a separate protest on the steps of Victoria’s parliament attendees “have contributed to globalising the intifada”. The restraint of Australian - and the English, Germans, Dutch, Irish, Austrians, etc - is amazing. Or is it cowardice in the face of Islam?

Minns was asked what intifada means, the reporter was trying for a gotcha to see if he knew the exact Arabac meaning, but he said contextually it means to encourage violence against jews.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 8:42am: There it is again. "To varying degrees." Is that a common phase in CCP propaganda? No-one prospers under Islamic rule. That is why the middle east and north africa, which were the most advanced human civilisation for the 10000 years prior to Islam, are now among the most backwards ad oppressive places on earth. Gosh FD, ever heard of the Golden Age of Islam  (c.800-1200AD)?

I have heard of it. Muslims try to make a lot of it. But the reality is that the wealth, social organisation etc came nowhere near that of the Roman republic/empire that came before. This is despite Islam conquering the largest empire the world had ever seen at the time. It was also around this time that civilisation in China stepped ahead of that in the west for the first time in history.

What other turd polishing efforts do you have in store for us? The Muslims have already given us the spiel about how Muslims rape women far more respectfully than non-Muslims do.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:06pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:43pm: Quote: Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? If you publish a public bulletin board and you claim to support Freedom of Speech your being a tad hypocritical by limiting my posts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) That is still not an answer to the question Brian. Try again. This time, try thinking for yourself, and speaking for yourself, rather than trying to tell others what you think they think. Do let me know if you are having difficulty understanding it. Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? [quote]Sender: freediver To: Brian Ross Subject: Aboriginal affairs Date: 16th Oct 2025 at 14:24:32 Please do not start any new threads on Aboriginal Affairs while you have 5 or more other threads that no-one else has responded to.

Keep running, Freediver.  Answer my point.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)[/quote]

What is your point? I have already "answered" it by pointing out that I did not say what you claimed I said.

It is a simple question Brian. Why are you incapable of giving a straight answer?

Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel?

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:51pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:10pm: freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 8:42am: There it is again. "To varying degrees." Is that a common phase in CCP propaganda? No-one prospers under Islamic rule. That is why the middle east and north africa, which were the most advanced human civilisation for the 10000 years prior to Islam, are now among the most backwards ad oppressive places on earth. Gosh FD, ever heard of the Golden Age of Islam  (c.800-1200AD)? I have heard of it. Muslims try to make a lot of it. But the reality is that the wealth, social organisation etc came nowhere near that of the Roman republic/empire that came before. This is despite Islam conquering the largest empire the world had ever seen at the time. It was also around this time that civilisation in China stepped ahead of that in the west for the first time in history. What other turd polishing efforts do you have in store for us? The Muslims have already given us the spiel about how Muslims rape women far more respectfully than non-Muslims do.

Wasn't the Muslim Golden Age just the vestige of pre-islamic culture before it died out?
I was chatting to an Iranian dude the other day, he wishes he could imagine a Persia that wasn't Islamiscised.

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Age just the vestige of pre-islamic culture before it died out?

Yes. In pretty much any measure you can use, it amounted to far less than what came before. And after. And at the same time in the east. The backwardness of the middle east and north africa today is the inevitable result of 1400 years of domination by Islam. Prior to Islam, it was a multicultural, multifaith society. Islam's centre - Mecca - is a microcosm of that destruction of civilisation. Islam took a centre for pagan ritual and created a city in which today, all non-Muslims are banned.

Muhammad taught his followers to get rich by stealing from non-Muslims and to breed by raping captured women, and they have been stealing and raping ever since.

Gordon wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:45pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:38pm: And it goes on.... Protesters chant phrase premier wants banned Protesters have chanted “globalise the intifada” at a rally in central Sydney. NSW Premier Chris Minns has flagged his intentions to ban the phrase, which he has described as “hateful, violent rhetoric”. “From Gadigal to Gaza, globalise the intifada,” protesters chanted. Palestinian activists argue the intifada chant is not antisemitic, rather an Arabic word meaning to shake off. Jewish groups say the phrase calls for violence against Jews. NSW Greens MP Amanda Cohn and NSW Council for Civil Liberties president Timothy Roberts were in attendance at the Sydney protest. In Melbourne, Anti-Zionism Australia organiser David Glanz told a separate protest on the steps of Victoria’s parliament attendees “have contributed to globalising the intifada”. The restraint of Australian - and the English, Germans, Dutch, Irish, Austrians, etc - is amazing. Or is it cowardice in the face of Islam? Minns was asked what intifada means, the reporter was trying for a gotcha to see if he knew the exact Arabac meaning, but he said contextually it means to encourage violence against jews.

The thing about jihadi Muslims is that they hate everyone. The Jews most but then everyone else.
They even hate other Muslims.

Islam's primary animating force is hate. It is all about hate and acting on that hate.

It is an evil creed from an illiterate sex maniac, followed by millions of.... yes, illiterate sex maniacs.

Gordon wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:38pm:

Palestinian activists argue the intifada chant is not antisemitic, rather an Arabic word meaning to shake off.

Well... I agree with the protestors that the increasing annexation  of the West Bank and East Jerusalem needs to be shaken off, just as Trump noted recently - (though I don't believe he will stop it, even with  the Saudis expressing their opposition today.)   


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Jewish groups say the phrase calls for violence against Jews.

Depends on how you define the phrase, obviously.

And defining it will be a real problem for the courts.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 6:03pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:38pm: Palestinian activists argue the intifada chant is not antisemitic, rather an Arabic word meaning to shake off. Well... I agree with the protestors that the increasing annexation  of the West Bank and East Jerusalem needs to be shaken off, just as Trump noted recently - (though I don't believe he will stop it, even with  the Saudis expressing their opposition today.)    Quote: Jewish groups say the phrase calls for violence against Jews. Depends on how you define the phrase, obviously. And defining it will be a real problem for the courts.

Shake it off OVER THERE.

Not here, by murdering people on the beach, you scoundrel.

Frank wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:59pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:51pm: Frank wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:45pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:38pm: And it goes on.... Protesters chant phrase premier wants banned Protesters have chanted “globalise the intifada” at a rally in central Sydney. NSW Premier Chris Minns has flagged his intentions to ban the phrase, which he has described as “hateful, violent rhetoric”. “From Gadigal to Gaza, globalise the intifada,” protesters chanted. Palestinian activists argue the intifada chant is not antisemitic, rather an Arabic word meaning to shake off. Jewish groups say the phrase calls for violence against Jews. NSW Greens MP Amanda Cohn and NSW Council for Civil Liberties president Timothy Roberts were in attendance at the Sydney protest. In Melbourne, Anti-Zionism Australia organiser David Glanz told a separate protest on the steps of Victoria’s parliament attendees “have contributed to globalising the intifada”. The restraint of Australian - and the English, Germans, Dutch, Irish, Austrians, etc - is amazing. Or is it cowardice in the face of Islam? Minns was asked what intifada means, the reporter was trying for a gotcha to see if he knew the exact Arabac meaning, but he said contextually it means to encourage violence against jews. The thing about jihadi Muslims is that they hate everyone. The Jews most but then everyone else. They even hate other Muslims. Islam's primary animating force is hate. It is all about hate and acting on that hate. It is an evil creed from an illiterate sex maniac, followed by millions of.... yes, illiterate sex maniacs.

The reason people who usually don't give a crap about Jews are furious about this is they know the jihadis are just as happy killing them, and the Govt has incubated them.

Frank wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:59pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:51pm: Frank wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:45pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:38pm: And it goes on.... Protesters chant phrase premier wants banned Protesters have chanted “globalise the intifada” at a rally in central Sydney. NSW Premier Chris Minns has flagged his intentions to ban the phrase, which he has described as “hateful, violent rhetoric”. “From Gadigal to Gaza, globalise the intifada,” protesters chanted. Palestinian activists argue the intifada chant is not antisemitic, rather an Arabic word meaning to shake off. Jewish groups say the phrase calls for violence against Jews. NSW Greens MP Amanda Cohn and NSW Council for Civil Liberties president Timothy Roberts were in attendance at the Sydney protest. In Melbourne, Anti-Zionism Australia organiser David Glanz told a separate protest on the steps of Victoria’s parliament attendees “have contributed to globalising the intifada”. The restraint of Australian - and the English, Germans, Dutch, Irish, Austrians, etc - is amazing. Or is it cowardice in the face of Islam? Minns was asked what intifada means, the reporter was trying for a gotcha to see if he knew the exact Arabac meaning, but he said contextually it means to encourage violence against jews. The thing about jihadi Muslims is that they hate everyone. The Jews most but then everyone else. They even hate other Muslims. Islam's primary animating force is hate. It is all about hate and acting on that hate. It is an evil creed from an illiterate sex maniac, followed by millions of.... yes, illiterate sex maniacs.

Er Frank, don't bother applying for a job as a jurist...

The Koran says: to kill a man is to kill the human race, to save the life of one man saves mankind. (my paraphrase)

The problem is the contradictory passages in the Koran specifying punishment for Infidels, taken in our time to apply to infidels who  oppress Muslims in Palestine.

A bit like the OT in that regard, regarding the punishment for the followers of 'false gods' who oppressed the Israelites on their journey to the Promised Land. 

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:06pm: freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:43pm: Quote: Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? If you publish a public bulletin board and you claim to support Freedom of Speech your being a tad hypocritical by limiting my posts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) That is still not an answer to the question Brian. Try again. This time, try thinking for yourself, and speaking for yourself, rather than trying to tell others what you think they think. Do let me know if you are having difficulty understanding it. Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? [quote]Sender: freediver To: Brian Ross Subject: Aboriginal affairs Date: 16th Oct 2025 at 14:24:32 Please do not start any new threads on Aboriginal Affairs while you have 5 or more other threads that no-one else has responded to. Keep running, Freediver.  Answer my point.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What is your point? I have already "answered" it by pointing out that I did not say what you claimed I said. [/quote]

Yet I quoted what you said straight back at you Freediver and it did say what I said it had.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


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It is a simple question Brian. Why are you incapable of giving a straight answer?

Why are you incapable of answer a question, Freediver? 

When you answer the questions asked of you, I might choose to answer your questions, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 6:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 6:03pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:38pm: Palestinian activists argue the intifada chant is not antisemitic, rather an Arabic word meaning to shake off. Well... I agree with the protestors that the increasing annexation  of the West Bank and East Jerusalem needs to be shaken off, just as Trump noted recently - (though I don't believe he will stop it, even with  the Saudis expressing their opposition today.)    Quote: Jewish groups say the phrase calls for violence against Jews. Depends on how you define the phrase, obviously. And defining it will be a real problem for the courts. Shake it off OVER THERE. Not here, by murdering people on the beach, you scoundrel.

Yes, it is amazing why the whole world, except RW Christians and extremist Zionists,  strongly desires  recognition of the Palestinian state. 

Any clues why (at the risk of asking the wrong guy....)?

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 6:29pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 6:05pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 6:03pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:38pm: Palestinian activists argue the intifada chant is not antisemitic, rather an Arabic word meaning to shake off. Well... I agree with the protestors that the increasing annexation  of the West Bank and East Jerusalem needs to be shaken off, just as Trump noted recently - (though I don't believe he will stop it, even with  the Saudis expressing their opposition today.)    Quote: Jewish groups say the phrase calls for violence against Jews. Depends on how you define the phrase, obviously. And defining it will be a real problem for the courts. Shake it off OVER THERE. Not here, by murdering people on the beach, you scoundrel. Yes, it is amazing why the whole world, except RW Christians and extremist Zionists,  strongly desires  recognition of the Palestinian state.  Any clues why (at the risk of asking the wrong guy....)?

Yes.
The Pallos are not a cohesive people with a national purpose beyond murdering all the Jews. That is not a basis for recognition.

Over the past 80 years they have demonstrated ZERO ability or willingness to create a functioning country. Jew killing is not a basis for welcoming them to the communities of nations.

If they were really a nation they would have some characteristics beyond Jew hate and Jew killing. But they don't.


Like all of Islam, they are nothing but reactionaries.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 6:26pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:06pm: freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:43pm: Quote: Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? If you publish a public bulletin board and you claim to support Freedom of Speech your being a tad hypocritical by limiting my posts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) That is still not an answer to the question Brian. Try again. This time, try thinking for yourself, and speaking for yourself, rather than trying to tell others what you think they think. Do let me know if you are having difficulty understanding it. Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? [quote]Sender: freediver To: Brian Ross Subject: Aboriginal affairs Date: 16th Oct 2025 at 14:24:32 Please do not start any new threads on Aboriginal Affairs while you have 5 or more other threads that no-one else has responded to. Keep running, Freediver.  Answer my point.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) What is your point? I have already "answered" it by pointing out that I did not say what you claimed I said.

Yet I quoted what you said straight back at you Freediver and it did say what I said it had.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)


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It is a simple question Brian. Why are you incapable of giving a straight answer?

Why are you incapable of answer a question, Freediver? 

When you answer the questions asked of you, I might choose to answer your questions, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)[/quote]

You have not asked me a question Brian. You have merely demanded that I respond to your points, but the only response I can give you is that your "points" are too mindboggling stupid and petty to respond to. I think nothing of them.

This is really very simple Brian. And it goes to the heart of why you are whining about this at all. Why are you finding it so difficult?

Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? Were you lying about your freedom of speech being restricted in a desperate attempt to draw attention to your petty feelings of victimhood on this forum? Should we ignore the Prime Minister's efforts to actually restrict freedom of speech so we can focus on your inability to ask the questions you demand I answer, or whatever the insipid point is you are trying to make?

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 6:26pm: freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:53pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:06pm: freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:43pm: Quote: Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? If you publish a public bulletin board and you claim to support Freedom of Speech your being a tad hypocritical by limiting my posts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) That is still not an answer to the question Brian. Try again. This time, try thinking for yourself, and speaking for yourself, rather than trying to tell others what you think they think. Do let me know if you are having difficulty understanding it. Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? [quote]Sender: freediver To: Brian Ross Subject: Aboriginal affairs Date: 16th Oct 2025 at 14:24:32 Please do not start any new threads on Aboriginal Affairs while you have 5 or more other threads that no-one else has responded to. Keep running, Freediver.  Answer my point.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) What is your point? I have already "answered" it by pointing out that I did not say what you claimed I said. Yet I quoted what you said straight back at you Freediver and it did say what I said it had.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) [quote] It is a simple question Brian. Why are you incapable of giving a straight answer?

Why are you incapable of answer a question, Freediver? 

When you answer the questions asked of you, I might choose to answer your questions, Freediver.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)[/quote]

You have not asked me a question Brian. You have merely demanded that I respond to your points, but the only response I can give you is that your "points" are too mindboggling stupid and petty to respond to. I think nothing of them.

This is really very simple Brian. And it goes to the heart of why you are whining about this at all. Why are you finding it so difficult?

Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? Were you lying about your freedom of speech being restricted in a desperate attempt to draw attention to your petty feelings of victimhood on this forum? Should we ignore the Prime Minister's efforts to actually restrict freedom of speech so we can focus on your inability to ask the questions you demand I answer, or whatever the insipid point is you are trying to make?[/quote]
He's saying you are a complete k*nt, Bbwiyawn.

And he's right.

Prove him wrong.

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Personal criticism Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’.

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 9:18pm:

Quote: Personal criticism Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’. source

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Brian do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel?

How has your freedom of speech actually been restricted?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 12:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 12:01pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 9:47am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:58pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:54pm: Albo is even worse than ScoMo. Posted on 22 July 2021 by David Evans       You've been warned about posting rumours as Fact, Bobby.  Why do you keep on doing it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) I trust the Wentworth Report. All the leaders from our Uniparty betrayed us. As it's source is Abbots ex-Girlfriend, it is very suspect, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Now you are peddling roumors as fact, two-faced, hypocritical liar.



Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 12:30pm:

As it's source is Abbots ex-Girlfriend, it is very suspect, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 1:11pm:

It is rumour, Bobby, nothing more.  You can post it but you need to mark it as rumour.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2025 at 5:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 5:06pm: freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:57pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:43pm: Quote: Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? If you publish a public bulletin board and you claim to support Freedom of Speech your being a tad hypocritical by limiting my posts.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) That is still not an answer to the question Brian. Try again. This time, try thinking for yourself, and speaking for yourself, rather than trying to tell others what you think they think. Do let me know if you are having difficulty understanding it. Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel? [quote]Sender: freediver To: Brian Ross Subject: Aboriginal affairs Date: 16th Oct 2025 at 14:24:32 Please do not start any new threads on Aboriginal Affairs while you have 5 or more other threads that no-one else has responded to. Keep running, Freediver.  Answer my point.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What is your point? I have already "answered" it by pointing out that I did not say what you claimed I said.

It is a simple question Brian. Why are you incapable of giving a straight answer?

Do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel?[/quote]


I fail to understand why a very polite request from the moderator can be defined as “ censorship “.
If you are asked nicely with a good reason to stop doing something WTF is wrong with you?

We both know  the correct answer is “ Yes, sir”.

Brian fd isn’t attacking your freedom  of speech.

His /?she is simply and politely asking you to tone it down.

A perfectly reasonable request from a moderator and a human being.

Your attitude and attacks on fd are unreasonable.

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2025 at 11:45am:

I don't think this is the right response. Those promoting hatred of Jews are mostly very polished and know how to phrase their propaganda in ways that are superficially inoffensive and likely to appeal to deluded lefties. Meanwhile those within the extremist Muslim community don't exactly flaunt their views. All this will do is further erode honesty in public debate. The Prime Minister might be responding to Islamic terrorism by banning the use of Islamic and terrorism in the same sentence. The ABC probably did more than any other organisation to fuel the hatred of Jews in this country by publishing polished, woke propaganda for Hamas. The ABC likes to warn us about social media echo chambers, while creating one of their own. The PM needs to grow some balls, not try to castrate everyone else. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmneem1e89o Quote: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says his government will crack down on hate speech following Sunday's deadly shooting at Bondi Beach that targeted a Jewish festival. Fifteen people were killed when two gunmen opened fire at an event to mark the first day of Hanukkah. New laws will target "those who spread hate, division and radicalisation", Albanese told reporters in Canberra.

They can't monitor non-citizens with an ISIS son getting a permit for six guns - but they will monitor 'hate speech"??

Ludicrous. Bbwiyawnesque.

What IS hate speech?? Violent passages from the Koran preached in mosques? From the river to the sea? Globalise the jntifada? **** Islam? Bacon is ok but goat****ing isn't? The Islamic facecovering of women is primitive and oppressive? Islam is incompatible with Western enlightened liberal democracy? F.Off, we're full?

What IS hate speech???

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:33pm:

I fail to understand why a very polite request from the moderator can be defined as “ censorship “. If you are asked nicely with a good reason to stop doing something WTF is wrong with you?

It came against a period where setanta demanded I stop posting my opinions.  I took it as another demand.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian do you believe that freedom of speech implies an obligation on other people to publish your mindless drivel?

How has your freedom of speech actually been restricted? Were you lying about that to get people to pay attention to you?

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:45am: I don't think this is the right response. Those promoting hatred of Jews are mostly very polished and know how to phrase their propaganda in ways that are superficially inoffensive and likely to appeal to deluded lefties. Meanwhile those within the extremist Muslim community don't exactly flaunt their views. All this will do is further erode honesty in public debate. The Prime Minister might be responding to Islamic terrorism by banning the use of Islamic and terrorism in the same sentence. The ABC probably did more than any other organisation to fuel the hatred of Jews in this country by publishing polished, woke propaganda for Hamas. The ABC likes to warn us about social media echo chambers, while creating one of their own. The PM needs to grow some balls, not try to castrate everyone else. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmneem1e89o Quote: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says his government will crack down on hate speech following Sunday's deadly shooting at Bondi Beach that targeted a Jewish festival. Fifteen people were killed when two gunmen opened fire at an event to mark the first day of Hanukkah. New laws will target "those who spread hate, division and radicalisation", Albanese told reporters in Canberra. They can't monitor non-citizens with an ISIS son getting a permit for six guns - but they will monitor 'hate speech"?? Ludicrous. Bbwiyawnesque. What IS hate speech?? Violent passages from the Koran preached in mosques? From the river to the sea? Globalise the jntifada? **** Islam? Bacon is ok but goat****ing isn't? The Islamic facecovering of women is primitive and oppressive? Islam is incompatible with Western enlightened liberal democracy? F.Off, we're full? What IS hate speech???

Your endless hatred, bigotry and Racism would IMO qualify as, "hate speech." Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:40pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:33pm: I fail to understand why a very polite request from the moderator can be defined as “ censorship “. If you are asked nicely with a good reason to stop doing something WTF is wrong with you? It came against a period where setanta demanded I stop posting my opinions.  I took it as another demand.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You ban people from your Defence sandpit for postig their opinions, two-faced, hypocritical cockwomble.

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:40pm: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:33pm: I fail to understand why a very polite request from the moderator can be defined as “ censorship “. If you are asked nicely with a good reason to stop doing something WTF is wrong with you? It came against a period where setanta demanded I stop posting my opinions.  I took it as another demand.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) You ban people from your Defence sandpit for postig their opinions, two-faced, hypocritical cockwomble.

No one is presently banned from the Defence Forum, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:47pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:43pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:40pm: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:33pm: I fail to understand why a very polite request from the moderator can be defined as “ censorship “. If you are asked nicely with a good reason to stop doing something WTF is wrong with you? It came against a period where setanta demanded I stop posting my opinions.  I took it as another demand.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) You ban people from your Defence sandpit for postig their opinions, two-faced, hypocritical cockwomble. No one is presently banned from the Defence Forum, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You unprincipled hypocrite, you only did it because you were banned from some other subforums.

For 2 years you were happy to keep people banned
Banned from this forum
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Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:47pm: Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:43pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 4:40pm: Daves2017 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:33pm: I fail to understand why a very polite request from the moderator can be defined as “ censorship “. If you are asked nicely with a good reason to stop doing something WTF is wrong with you? It came against a period where setanta demanded I stop posting my opinions.  I took it as another demand.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) You ban people from your Defence sandpit for postig their opinions, two-faced, hypocritical cockwomble. No one is presently banned from the Defence Forum, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) You unprincipled hypocrite, you only did it because you were banned from some other subforums. For 2 years you were happy to keep people banned Banned from this forum Jan 6th, 2024 at 11:55am The following posters are banned from this forum: Frank/Soren Bobby Gordon JaSin Laugh till you cry Bias_2012 Sir Eoin O Fada

No one is presently banned from the Defence Forum, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2025 at 4:40pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:33pm: I fail to understand why a very polite request from the moderator can be defined as “ censorship “. If you are asked nicely with a good reason to stop doing something WTF is wrong with you? It came against a period where setanta demanded I stop posting my opinions.  I took it as another demand.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Sorry, not sorry, I don't take "Twilight Zone, tsk tsk tsk" as an opinion on anything. Especially when it was your reply to evertyhing. Perhaps you could try another TV series, "Pettycoat Junction" sounds about right for you.  ::)