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Message started by Yadda on May 27th, 2021 at 9:51pm

Title: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Yadda on May 27th, 2021 at 9:51pm

Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islamism'



Those 'peaceful', 'liberal' moslems, are 'taking us all for a ride'.    !!!

Don't believe me ?

Read on !




Quote:

Germany: New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islamism'

by Soeren Kern
May 27, 2021

    The policy paper, "Preserving Free Society, Promoting Social Cohesion, Fighting Political Islamism," which whole-heartedly commends law-abiding Muslims who respect Germany's democratic order, argues that the debate about Islamism in Germany is often reduced to violence and terror, but that it is necessary to focus more on ideology. The proposals include improving research and analysis of political Islam in Europe and the methods by which it spreads; banning the foreign funding of mosques; and reducing the number of foreign imams active in Germany.

    "Focusing only on the violent part of Islamism, Islamist terrorism, does not do justice to the overall problem....


This political Islamism, which ostensibly acts non-violently, but stirs up hatred, agitation and violence


and strives for an Islamic order in which there is no equality, no freedom of opinion and religion and also no separation of religion and state, has spread far and wide in parts of our society." — CDU/CSU policy paper.

    "We owe the fight against political Islamism not only to our free-democratic ideals and values, but also to most of the Muslims in Germany who share these ideals with us and want to live with us on their basis. Because it is precisely liberal, secular Muslims who are victims of this illiberal, anti-democratic ideology. Those who publicly oppose political Islamism and its strategies are particularly at risk." — CDU/CSU policy paper.

    "These politically extremist, non-violent groups aim to establish an order according to their Islamist ideas by actively preventing integration, dividing Western societies into 'believers' and 'unbelievers,' rejecting equality and religious freedom.... They use democratic structures to undermine and ultimately abolish democracy." — CDU/CSU policy paper.

    "The present focus on groups prepared to use violence has led to disregarding the ideological justification of violence. These politically extremist, non-violent groups aim to establish an order based on their Islamist ideas by actively preventing integration, dividing Western societies into 'believers' and 'unbelievers,' rejecting equality and religious freedom, and alienating Muslim youth from Western societies. They use democratic structures to undermine and ultimately abolish democracy." — CDU/CSU policy paper.

    "Religious extremism doesn't come out of nowhere. On the contrary, it thrives in isolated parallel worlds that have nothing in common with our values. We urgently need to shed light on this and not only wake up when violence erupts." — Bundestag Member Nina Warken, Integration Commissioner, CDU/CSU parliamentary group.

    The German-Moroccan author Sineb El Masrar, in an interview with the public radio station Deutschlandfunk Kultur, said that the policy paper is clearly directed against "reactionary, Islamist organizations" and "that it is not aimed at all Muslims, but at those with a radical agenda."

    "Islamists are not interested in democracy. On the contrary. They reject democracy because they only consider politics to be legitimate if it follows regulations that adhere to the politics of Mohammed in the 7th century. — Susanne Schröter, Islam scholar, Die Tagespost.

    "The decisive question is to what extent imams are willing and able to explain that these warlike verses and suras are only to be considered in their historical context and that they no longer have any meaning today, i.e. in principle could be deleted.... It should be added that the implementation of the strategy is only possible if, for example, mosque communities or Muslims as a whole are willing to actively contribute, because they understandably know the segregation efforts of many association representatives much better and more closely than most German observers." — Bundestag Member Hans-Jürgen Irmer, member of the Interior Committee, CDU/CSU parliamentary group.

......

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17404/germany-political-islamism



Still too little, and much too late.

Don't be fooled.
....by the political influencers in our societies, and by our politicians OR, by what those 'peaceful', 'liberal' moslems tell us.    !!!!



MORE....



Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Yadda on May 27th, 2021 at 9:53pm

CONTINUED....



The article linked in the OP, in referring to persons who are "liberal, secular Muslims who are victims", is engaging in semantics and engaging in truth avoidance,
and in promoting a wholly dishonest argument.

How so ?

Because by definition, a person who labels himself, as 'a moslem',
is a follower of ISLAM.

And because, by definition,      a moslem       is a supporter and follower of,   ...ISLAM and is an active supporter of ISLAMIC religious precepts.


ARGUMENT;
If the words which we all use in conversation [with each other],     ...actually mean what those words are describing, then my argument, that,
a moslem is a follower of ISLAM,
must be given credence.




ISLAM is a philosophy which teaches its adherents [IN ISLAM'S MOST BASIC, AND PRIMARY RELIGIOUS PRECEPTS],
that a follower of ISLAM must harbour a seething hatred, for anyone who declares their rejection of the primacy of ISLAM, and ISLAMIC law.

This is 100% TRUE

And mainstream ISLAMIC religious precepts, teach ISLAM'S adherents that it is lawful for a follower of ISLAM to kill anyone who 'offends' the religion of the moslem, 'offends' by choosing to not be a follower of ISLAM.

This is 100% TRUE



Again, a moslem, by definition, chooses to associate himself with ISLAM.

And chooses to associate himself with what the mainstream religious precepts of ISLAM promote [as the legitimate 'life values' of every follower of ISLAM].


ARGUMENT;
There is no such creature, as a "liberal, secular Muslim".

A moslem,    ...is a follower of ISLAM.



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An argument.....

Yadda said....

Quote:

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


WWW search....
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."




Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.
And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"



Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1608864099/1#1

Quote:

ARGUMENT;
The religious strictures of ISLAM require the follower of ISLAM;
1/ to love and to serve Allah's religion,
and,
2/ to hate all things which are deemed to be, un-ISLAMIC.


".....loving and hating for the sake of Allah."


The religious strictures of ISLAM itself, determine what type of life is acceptable to ISLAM.  [a not uncommon situ, for followers of any religion]

And these religious strictures, 'nominate' [for the edification of the believer] every item [and idea] in this world, as being either ISLAMICALLY approved, or not.

And those 'things' which are not ISLAMICALLY approved, are to be rejected and hated, by the follower of ISLAM.

INCLUDING, all disbelievers.   e.g. Koran 60.4


.


FURTHER;


WWW search....
AL WALAA WAL BARAA, "Islamic jurists"


Essentially, it translates as;

".....loving and hating for the sake of Allah."


It means, LOVING your moslem brothers.   .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, HATING the non-moslem.   .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, being a moslem.

It means, OBEYING ISLAMIC LAW !




Pure Al-wala' wa-l-bara' in the Koran....


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23





Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Yadda on May 27th, 2021 at 10:01pm

EXEMPLARS, OF THE PHILOSOPHICAL DECEIT, BEING PRACTICISED BY THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM,
IN ORDER TO GET US TO LOWER OUR GUARD, AGAINST 'LIBERAL' FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM.





Quote:

July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself:

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them"
(Qur'an 3:28).

In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."


- WWW search



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THE PEACEFUL ['FRIENDLY'] FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM;


Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."


http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine



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Pretending to NOT hate us, is also complying with ISLAM's directive, that "Muslims should preach peace",
while they strengthen themselves against Allah's enemies, while living beside those enemies.



Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims

London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece




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IMAGE...


Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior

January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/



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WWW search....
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"




Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 27th, 2021 at 10:34pm
Yadda is the Ozpolitic Minister of Hate.

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Yadda on May 28th, 2021 at 12:25am

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 10:34pm:

Yadda is the Ozpolitic Minister of Hate.



Laugh_till_you_cry,

You are a liar.



I have argued, 1/ that a moslem, is a follower of ISLAM.

And 2/, that ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must **fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and reject the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

[** or at the very least, must materially support those who are directly engaged in that warfare]


Q's....
Where is the 'hate' [....if the information which i present is true] ?

Where is my error ?



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Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.



Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2

Quote:

MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and reject the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever      any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.




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IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCES of ISLAM's doctrines of malice and DAILY murders, at these sites....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/


JIHAD WATCH**
Exposing the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern global conflicts

https://www.jihadwatch.org/



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DO YOU WANT TO WITNESS OPEN AND UNDISGUISED HATE ?

------ >


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536141258/46#46

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0



Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Brian Ross on May 28th, 2021 at 3:04pm
Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Frank on May 29th, 2021 at 12:17pm

Frank wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 12:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 5:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 5:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 2:55pm:
Your debate is interesting but  I feel a little heated.  Calm down and debate rationally without the heat and I won't have to lock the thread, OK?


Brian, feel free to lock this thread.

I am not an indoctrinated ideologue…

And you are not a soldier.


I resigned over 32 years ago from the Army.  I still know when and how to stand to attention and that is about it. 



Yeah, you snap to attention when you hear Allahu Akhbar...

As for rational discussion - thanks for the laugh. You furtively delete posts like an earlier version of this one. You yawn, roll your eyes, bang on with cliches, post an ABC headline. That's  your idea of reasoning.




How long before Brian deletes the above post for the second time from his milk monitor jurisdiction? (Aka Defence board).


Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Brian Ross on May 29th, 2021 at 2:03pm


Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)[/quote]

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Brian Ross on May 29th, 2021 at 2:04pm

Frank wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 12:17pm:

Frank wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 12:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 5:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 5:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 2:55pm:
Your debate is interesting but  I feel a little heated.  Calm down and debate rationally without the heat and I won't have to lock the thread, OK?


Brian, feel free to lock this thread.

I am not an indoctrinated ideologue…

And you are not a soldier.


I resigned over 32 years ago from the Army.  I still know when and how to stand to attention and that is about it. 



Yeah, you snap to attention when you hear Allahu Akhbar...

As for rational discussion - thanks for the laugh. You furtively delete posts like an earlier version of this one. You yawn, roll your eyes, bang on with cliches, post an ABC headline. That's  your idea of reasoning.




How long before Brian delets the above post for the second time from his milk monitor jurisdiction? (Aka Defence board).



Admission that Soren (Frank) is Aunt Agnes?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Socks are not allowed under the forum rules.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Valkie on May 29th, 2021 at 5:19pm
Bwyannnnnnn's continual posting of the same thing over and over, with not reasoned debate is beyond mental illness.
Its a sign of some serious mental problem that needs attention.

This is a plea from all those in this forum.

Bwyannnnnnn, please, for your own sake......GET SOME HELP.
BWYANNN_EXACTLY_117.jpg (25 KB | 6 )

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Brian Ross on May 29th, 2021 at 5:36pm




Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)



Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Frank on May 29th, 2021 at 6:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 2:04pm:

Frank wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 12:17pm:

Frank wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 12:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 5:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 5:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 28th, 2021 at 2:55pm:
Your debate is interesting but  I feel a little heated.  Calm down and debate rationally without the heat and I won't have to lock the thread, OK?


Brian, feel free to lock this thread.

I am not an indoctrinated ideologue…

And you are not a soldier.


I resigned over 32 years ago from the Army.  I still know when and how to stand to attention and that is about it. 



Yeah, you snap to attention when you hear Allahu Akhbar...

As for rational discussion - thanks for the laugh. You furtively delete posts like an earlier version of this one. You yawn, roll your eyes, bang on with cliches, post an ABC headline. That's  your idea of reasoning.




How long before Brian delets the above post for the second time from his milk monitor jurisdiction? (Aka Defence board).



Admission that Soren (Frank) is Aunt Agnes?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Socks are not allowed under the forum rules.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

He's  deleted it in Defence, inshallah....

Milk monitor fostering debate on a rational basis.  :D




Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Frank on May 29th, 2021 at 6:48pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 5:36pm:


Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)

Brian's  idea of 'rational rebuttal' = limitless, repetitious stupidity.





Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Brian Ross on May 29th, 2021 at 6:59pm



Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)

Soren (aka "Frank") has created a sock Agatha.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)


Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Valkie on May 30th, 2021 at 8:54am
Bwyannnnnnn's continual posting of the same thing over and over, with not reasoned debate is beyond mental illness.
Its a sign of some serious mental problem that needs attention.

This is a plea from all those in this forum.

Bwyannnnnnn, please, for your own sake......GET SOME HELP.
BWYANNN_EXACTLY_127.jpg (25 KB | 7 )

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Brian Ross on May 30th, 2021 at 2:33pm



Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)

Soren (aka "Frank") has created a sock Agatha.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)



Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 30th, 2021 at 2:45pm
Germany is a captive of Israel. They do whatever Israel commands without question as exemplified by the smirking German foreign minister on the left.

More than 60 children and more than 260 people died in Gaza and the German is smirking.


Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Valkie on May 30th, 2021 at 3:36pm
Bwyannnnnnn's continual posting of the same thing over and over, with not reasoned debate is beyond mental illness.
Its a sign of some serious mental problem that needs attention.

This is a plea from all those in this forum.

Bwyannnnnnn, please, for your own sake......GET SOME HELP.
BWYANNN_EXACTLY_130.jpg (25 KB | 5 )

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Brian Ross on May 30th, 2021 at 3:49pm



Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)

Soren (aka "Frank") has created a sock Agatha.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)




Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Valkie on May 31st, 2021 at 8:39am
Bwyannnnnnn's continual posting of the same thing over and over, with not reasoned debate is beyond mental illness.
Its a sign of some serious mental problem that needs attention.

This is a plea from all those in this forum.

Bwyannnnnnn, please, for your own sake......GET SOME HELP.
BWYANNN_EXACTLY_148.jpg (25 KB | 3 )

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Brian Ross on May 31st, 2021 at 1:37pm



Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)

Soren (aka "Frank") has created a sock Agatha.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)



Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by NorthOfNorth on May 31st, 2021 at 1:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 1:37pm:


Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)

Soren (aka "Frank") has created a sock Agatha.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

Ad hom. Why do you bother?

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Valkie on May 31st, 2021 at 3:42pm
Bwyannnnnnn's continual posting of the same thing over and over, with not reasoned debate is beyond mental illness.
Its a sign of some serious mental problem that needs attention.

This is a plea from all those in this forum.

Bwyannnnnnn, please, for your own sake......GET SOME HELP.
BWYANNN_EXACTLY_156.jpg (25 KB | 4 )

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Brian Ross on May 31st, 2021 at 4:02pm



Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)

Soren (aka "Frank") has created a sock Agatha.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)



Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by NorthOfNorth on May 31st, 2021 at 5:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 4:02pm:


Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)

Soren (aka "Frank") has created a sock Agatha.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

A vindictive post. You are the one who should be banned from this forum, Brian.

What's your next move? To release personal information about posters?

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 1st, 2021 at 1:34am
Islamia for the Islamites!  Ship 'em Home NOW!!

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Valkie on Jun 1st, 2021 at 8:44am
Bwyannnnnnn's continual posting of the same thing over and over, with not reasoned debate is beyond mental illness.
Its a sign of some serious mental problem that needs attention.

This is a plea from all those in this forum.

Bwyannnnnnn, please, for your own sake......GET SOME HELP.
BWYANNN_EXACTLY_158.jpg (25 KB | 7 )

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 1st, 2021 at 3:41pm



Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)

Soren (aka "Frank") has created a sock Agatha.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)



Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Valkie on Jun 1st, 2021 at 3:45pm
Bwyannnnnnn's continual posting of the same thing over and over, with not reasoned debate is beyond mental illness.
Its a sign of some serious mental problem that needs attention.

This is a plea from all those in this forum.

Bwyannnnnnn, please, for your own sake......GET SOME HELP.
BWYANNN_EXACTLY_167.jpg (25 KB | 6 )

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 1st, 2021 at 5:38pm




Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)

Soren (aka "Frank") has created a sock Agatha.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)




Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Valkie on Jun 1st, 2021 at 6:50pm
Bwyannnnnnn's continual posting of the same thing over and over, with not reasoned debate is beyond mental illness.
Its a sign of some serious mental problem that needs attention.

This is a plea from all those in this forum.

Bwyannnnnnn, please, for your own sake......GET SOME HELP.
BWYANNN_EXACTLY_179.jpg (25 KB | 5 )

Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:05pm



Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)

Soren (aka "Frank") has created a sock Agatha.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)




Title: Re: Germany - New Strategy to Combat 'Political Islam
Post by Frank on Jun 1st, 2021 at 10:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 9:05pm:


Irrational Islamophobia.  ::) ::)

Soren (aka "Frank") has created a sock Agatha.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)




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