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I am feeling nothing less than rage, alienation and despair at the moment. Muslims have been on trial for 17 years now. Seventeen years in the dock, in community detention, on parole, out on bail. Seventeen years of punishment and accountability, of collective culpability that turns inwards into confusion, anger, helplessness, shame. Seventeen years ago I was a university student in Melbourne when I was pronounced guilty for the crimes that took place in another country. Seventeen years on and my children now inherit my sentence. I am expected to "combat radicalism", take "special responsibility’" for national security, predict random acts of violence by random people whose only connection to me is that they identify as Muslim. On any given day, I have a long to-do list. According to the Prime Minister of this country, on Friday it looked like this: drop kids to school, write book chapter, edit film script, defrost chicken for dinner, help my grandmother with grocery shopping, combat terrorism. Enough is enough. From the beginning we have been told we, Australian Muslims, must "take the lead", "assume primary responsibility", ensure "social cohesion". We must avoid others stigmatising us by proving we are not terrorist, not radical, not threat. We are permitted to speak, but only as a disclaimer. We must condemn terrorism. Denounce it, loudly and clearly. You have a voice, they tell us. But there are strict rules on what we can say. We must provide reassurances that we are loyal, not stealth jihadists, not shariah-takeover. Prove you are integrated; moderate, not extreme. If you do not want to be rejected, you must be extraordinary. An over-achiever, iconic, a role model of our neo-liberal capitalist economy. We must enjoy freedom of religion but not be too Muslim-looking, too Muslim-acting, even too Muslim-thinking. We must accept government money and use it among Muslim youth in a mass social engineering project of producing a generation of apolitical consumers. We must dream big, be ambitious, buy into the neo-liberal capitalist dream, but remember our place. There are some Muslims today, most of them self-appointed "leaders", who are rushing again to condemn and reassure. No doubt they issue their press releases and statements in good faith, with a hope that the reassurance they offer will ameliorate any backlash against Muslims by reaffirming Muslims as a community not to be feared. The overall posture of these condemnations is about soothing the anxieties of a wider community whose position as judge and jury is acknowledged, and whose power to afford safety and indeed human worth to Muslims is clearly conceded. Other Muslims, including some peak bodies, have expressed how fed up they are with these condemnations and assumptions of collective responsibility and guilt. This has been a welcome change. I, an Australian Muslim, refuse to condemn the violence that took place on Bourke Street. To ask me to condemn is to strip me of my basic humanity. It asks me to disprove an assumption that I inherently support such actions; it denies me the right to mourn the loss of life. The act of condemnation immediately binds me to a person – to their life, their history, their motivations, hopes, dreams, fears and troubles – who was one among the 24 million other strangers to me in this country. Asking Muslims to assume some kind of pastoral responsibility over a mythical homogenous "community" not only relies on a racist framing of every Muslim as a potential terrorist, but it locates the "problem" in Islam and "culture", not politics. The script we are given for talking about the war on terror is censored and redacted.

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We are expected to talk about the Koran, but not the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. We must interrogate what is said in mosques and prayer rooms, but not what this nation says and does to support state-sponsored terrorism. We must condemn violence, but ignore our defence deals with Saudi Arabia and our complicity in the destruction of Yemen, our defence forces training Myanmar’s genocidal armed forces, our explicit support for Israel’s illegal occupation and oppression of Palestinians. I also refuse to comment and pontificate about the Bourke Street incident itself. Terrorism, mental illness, counter-terrorism operational strategies: everybody is suddenly an expert. Unqualified opinions bloat our public discourse. And perhaps that is the goal. Confusion and obfuscation mean that the debates we actually need to have, the policies and actions we have the right to demand, can be avoided. After all "national security" has always been a politically expedient agenda that serves only to reinforce a patriarchal, racist, capitalist social order. Terrorism is what happens outside, on our streets, in public, randomly, unpredictably. If our leaders were really horrified by violence, they would pay attention to what is happening in domestic spaces, to women, by their partners and ex-partners. They would treat male violence as a national emergency. They would invest adequate resources into mental health and women’s support services. They would, dare I say it, examine our foreign policy, the role we play in the destruction and oppression of entire populations in the name of the "war on terror", in the name of "civilisation" and "Australian values". Seventeen years on and there is a new generation including activists, people of colour and white allies. Some have grown up and learned the hard way, others have known all along, still others have been born into this paradigm, only ever knowing a world ‘at war on terror’. This new generation will not be played and exploited for political gain. Randa Abdel-Fattah is a novelist and post-doctoral research fellow at Macquarie University.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/bourke-st-i-am-feeling-nothing-less-than-rage-alienation-and-despair-20181115-p50g6f.html

'Wherever they go, wherever they live with non-moslems,    we moslems ARE victims, and we moslems ARE being oppressed and then being blamed for our reaction to that oppression!!!'



/sarc off

or rather,     F%$# off !!

ISLAM, is what it is.

ISLAM, is a vicious, deceitful, murderous death cult.



Choosing to be a follower of ISLAM,
choosing to NOT disassociate yourself FROM ISLAM,
makes every moslem culpable, for every act of violence which ISLAM justifies and encourages,
AND WHICH IS CARRIED OUT, IN THE NAME OF ISLAM.


Dictionary;
culpable = = deserving blame for.



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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111



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THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




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This is what     TRUTH     looks like

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Quote:

Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

Quote:

Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536141258/46#46

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0i

Brilliant? it's the same arrogant irresponsible muslim rhetoric we hear all the time

What's so good about the muslim faith anyway if it means killing people in the street?

The darkie in Bourke St was ........ MUSLIM ..... out to kill people

What part of that do we find so difficult to understand?

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 11:57am:

What part of that do we find so difficult to understand?

The part that insists that I personally am responsible for the crime and that its up to me do more to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Or in other words the whole "as a muslim I'm guilty by default" part.

Thats what I have difficulty understanding.

Yadda wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 11:56am:

yet another virtue signalling rant

Yadda openly calls for the entire muslim population to be interned into detention camps.

Yadda definitely has the moral high ground here.

The problem is: the many and varied teachings of evil in the qur'an.

When will muslims stop tap-dancing, own their problems and address the cause and motivation  for islamic atrocities (the qur'an / islam itself) ? 

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 1:24pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:57am: What part of that do we find so difficult to understand? The part that insists that I personally am responsible for the crime and that its up to me do more to make sure it doesn't happen again. Or in other words the whole "as a muslim I'm guilty by default" part. Thats what I have difficulty understanding.

You are part of the problem Gandalf, and Morrison is asking you and the rest of the muslim community to help him stop the killings

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 2:19pm:

You are part of the problem Gandalf

In what way exactly?

Wouldn't I actually have to be doing something wrong in the first place in order to be 'part of the problem'?

You 100% support the qur'an as the unchangeable infallible words of allah.

The qur'an causes and motivates islamic terrorism.

If you support the cause, you by definition support the engendered terrorism .

moses wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 3:11pm:

You 100% support the qur'an as the unchangeable infallible words of allah. The qur'an causes and motivates islamic terrorism. If you support the cause, you by definition support the engendered terrorism .

Apologist.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 1:24pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:57am: What's so good about the muslim faith anyway if it means killing people in the street? The darkie in Bourke St was ........ MUSLIM ..... out to kill people What part of that do we find so difficult to understand? The part that insists that I personally am responsible for the crime and that its up to me do more to make sure it doesn't happen again. Or in other words the whole "as a muslim I'm guilty by default" part. Thats what I have difficulty understanding.

ARGUMENT;
ISLAM, is a philosophy which [in its doctrines and religious texts] openly and plainly encourages its followers to commit violent and murderous religious bigotry,
against all people, who do not believe as they [moslems] believe,
so as to give power to the cause of Allah's religion.



But then, to prove his own innocence, the 'peaceful' moslem makes this argument;
"Yes, ISLAM, the Koran, and Allah, and Mohammed,
all, call on moslems to fight, to enslave unbelieving mankind, and to kill the enemies of Allah.
And yes, i'm a follower of ISLAM, i'm a moslem.
But i haven't murdered anyone!
And even though i am a moslem and i choose associate myself with a violent murderous philosophy,
i am    NOT   responsible,        whenever moslems are seen to kill people, because they [the victims] are not moslems!"


gandalf,

What part of my attribution, to your philosophy, is mistaken, in error ?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

moses wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 3:11pm: You 100% support the qur'an as the unchangeable infallible words of allah. The qur'an causes and motivates islamic terrorism. If you support the cause, you by definition support the engendered terrorism . Apologist.

ISLAM-o-panderer.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Yadda wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:56am: yet another virtue signalling rant Yadda openly calls for the entire muslim population to be interned into detention camps.

The entire moslem community, are members and supporters,
of a philosophy which calls on its followers to murder people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

Yes, i openly call on our government to set in place the means to lawfully detain every person who declares;
"I'm a moslem. I'm a follower of ISLAM."


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QUARANTINE WORKS!!
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/34#34

and....
The argument for administrative detention, for all 'Aussie' followers of ISLAM
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/0#0




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536141258/46#46

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0





ARGUMENTS AND EVIDENCES ???


By definition, every moslem,     is a person who has sworn his ongoing, and lifelong allegiance, to ISLAM,
exclusively.


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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1517662538/0#0

Quote:

AN INDISPUTABLE PREAMBLE.... Every moslem          has sworn everlasting allegiance to Allah. Every moslem,         is a moslem. Every moslem,         is a follower of ISLAM.

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1522634108/1#1

Quote:

Every moslem is a dangerous, and unstable person. Why so ? Because every moslem, is a moslem.

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;


Quote:

YT KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE "...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" "...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4



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WITNESS, the good 'Aussie' moslems,
who are,     behind closed doors,
teaching their children how to 'practice' ISLAM.....



Quote:

"You're never too young to be a homicidal maniac for Allah!"

- 'Aussie' moslem child, being taught 'how to practice ISLAM', in Australia.


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Muslims brainwash children in Australia  -------- >   goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E




@ 1 min 35 sec in that YT....
[An 'Aussie' moslem, Bilal Merhi, addressing 200,000 followers of ISLAM, in Indonesia....


Quote:

"Yes my brothers, we will change the world to suit ISLAM. The moslems living in Australia, are also engaging in this struggle [i.e. Jihad]."

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 2:24pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 2:19pm: You are part of the problem Gandalf In what way exactly? Wouldn't I actually have to be doing something wrong in the first place in order to be 'part of the problem'?

I haven't read many of your posts so correct me if I got this wrong but you don't seem to be prepared to denounce the violent aspects of Islam calling for the murder of apostates, non-belivers etc.


What is your position on these aspects?

Not trolling here

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 1:24pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:57am: What part of that do we find so difficult to understand? The part that insists that I personally am responsible for the crime and that its up to me do more to make sure it doesn't happen again. Or in other words the whole "as a muslim I'm guilty by default" part. Thats what I have difficulty understanding.

Far from being brilliant, it is the same old, tired arse-covering 'we are the victims here' crap that is regurgitated every time a Muslim kills for Islam. You dishonourable, self-pitying Muslims do this in order to remove any responsibility from Muslims for crimes committed solely in the name of your religion by people you know and who are part of your families, congregations, communities.

The writer, like all other forked-tongues arse-coverers, gets onto Iraq and Afghanistan quick smart, as if Muslim have not been murdering each other and the infidel BEFORE Iraq and Afghanistan. As if Islam's war against everyone, including other Muslims, has not been going on exactly as long as Islam existed.

Muslim refugees, immigrants and their children - people who WANTED to be taken in by Australia and other Western countries - are attacking the people who have taken them in and are attacking them ON RELIGIOUS GROUNDS, for Islam. And you want to excuse exactly that, Islam, the very motivation of these attacks, murders and attrocities perpetrated by Muslims.

And you have the bloody cheek to ask why you are on the nose, why you are not believed, why you are under constant suspicion. Because you are the perpetrators of violence against the people who took you in yet want to BLAME the victims of your violence and get all huffy and 'victimised' for their noticing that you are murdering them for Islam even though they have given you peace and shelter.

You are a load of bloody hypochrites and you have blinded yourselves to you own responsibilities.  Except I don't even believe that. You cannot be so unmoored as to not be aware of your gross hypocrisy, false bleating about victimhood. You are exploiting your enemies' weakness for compassion. I think you arse-covering victimhood-mongering Muslims are both lying knowing and are stupid enough to imagine that you can get away with it. You are blustering, ridiculous and mad like the North Korean leadership with sinister religious madness added.

Yadda wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 4:55pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 1:28pm: Yadda wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:56am: yet another virtue signalling rant Yadda openly calls for the entire muslim population to be interned into detention camps. The entire moslem community, are members and supporters, of a philosophy which calls on its followers to murder people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe. Yes, i openly call on our government to set in place the means to lawfully detain every person who declares; "I'm a moslem. I'm a follower of ISLAM." ------ > QUARANTINE WORKS!! http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/34#34 and.... The argument for administrative detention, for all 'Aussie' followers of ISLAM http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/0#0 . Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536141258/46#46 http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0 ARGUMENTS AND EVIDENCES ??? By definition, every moslem,     is a person who has sworn his ongoing, and lifelong allegiance, to ISLAM, exclusively. ------- > Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1517662538/0#0 Quote: AN INDISPUTABLE PREAMBLE.... Every moslem          has sworn everlasting allegiance to Allah. Every moslem,         is a moslem. Every moslem,         is a follower of ISLAM. . Yadda said..... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1522634108/1#1 [quote] Every moslem is a dangerous, and unstable person. Why so ? Because every moslem, is a moslem.

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

---------- >



Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;


Quote:

YT KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE "...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" "...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4



.



WITNESS, the good 'Aussie' moslems,
who are,     behind closed doors,
teaching their children how to 'practice' ISLAM.....



Quote:

"You're never too young to be a homicidal maniac for Allah!"

- 'Aussie' moslem child, being taught 'how to practice ISLAM', in Australia.


------------- >


Muslims brainwash children in Australia  -------- >   goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E




@ 1 min 35 sec in that YT....
[An 'Aussie' moslem, Bilal Merhi, addressing 200,000 followers of ISLAM, in Indonesia....


Quote:

"Yes my brothers, we will change the world to suit ISLAM. The moslems living in Australia, are also engaging in this struggle [i.e. Jihad]."

[/quote]


And yet Gandalf won't reject his faith and
accepts no responsibility for being part of his violent faith.

Is this you gandalf ?

Are YOU, this moslem leader ???

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Google;
Australia: Muslim leader says “Islam cannot be connected with any form of violent acts”





It is NOT gandalf.

It is just another 'innocent', 'persecuted' moslem, living in Australia.

And he's an innocent follower of ISLAM, because he hasn't murdered anyone either!

Yadda wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 6:43pm:

Is this you gandalf ? Are YOU, this moslem leader ??? ------ > Google; Australia: Muslim leader says “Islam cannot be connected with any form of violent acts” It is NOT gandalf. It is just another 'innocent', 'persecuted' moslem, living in Australia. And he's an innocent follower of ISLAM, because he hasn't murdered anyone either!

Dear Yadda,
there should be a prime time ABC television documentary
explaining your ideas to the people of Australia and the world.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

Yadda wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 6:43pm: Is this you gandalf ? Are YOU, this moslem leader ??? ------ > Google; Australia: Muslim leader says “Islam cannot be connected with any form of violent acts” It is NOT gandalf. It is just another 'innocent', 'persecuted' moslem, living in Australia. And he's an innocent follower of ISLAM, because he hasn't murdered anyone either! Dear Yadda, there should be a prime time ABC television documentary explaining your ideas to the people of Australia and the world.

[smile]



bobby,

Some years ago, for a number of months, i posted to the Q&A online forum.

My frequent [but not exclusive] subject on that forum, was ISLAM.

I was soon banned,       and all of my Q&A online forum posts were removed.

All of them,   every single one.

Yadda wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 6:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 6:45pm: Yadda wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 6:43pm: Is this you gandalf ? Are YOU, this moslem leader ??? ------ > Google; Australia: Muslim leader says “Islam cannot be connected with any form of violent acts” It is NOT gandalf. It is just another 'innocent', 'persecuted' moslem, living in Australia. And he's an innocent follower of ISLAM, because he hasn't murdered anyone either! Dear Yadda, there should be a prime time ABC television documentary explaining your ideas to the people of Australia and the world. [smile] bobby, Some years ago, for a number of months, i posted to the Q&A online forum. My frequent [but not exclusive] subject on that forum, was ISLAM. I was soon banned,       and all of my Q&A online forum posts were removed. All of them,   every single one.

The bastards - they're not interested in the truth.
The ABC is just a propaganda outlet for multiculturalism.
When it doesn't work you mustn't mention it -
don't mention the war.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 7:00pm:

The bastards - they're not interested in the truth. The ABC is just a propaganda outlet for multiculturalism. When it doesn't work you mustn't mention it - don't mention the war.

bobby,

I doesn't really matter. [....getting angry about ISLAM or all of the leftists 'progressives' in the ABC]

Let the people have what they want, i say!

That always leads to human happiness and contentedness,   right ?


:)



I'll have to leave soon.

Islam MUST be subjected to the same irreverent scrutiny as Christianity.

Violent Muslims want to stop it but they must be ruthlessly dealt with. There is no room for differential religious freedoms after the 30 year war, Reformation and enlightenment, especially not by a hostile, invading ideology like Islam.

Who the blood hell they think they are??

Yadda wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 9:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 7:00pm: The bastards - they're not interested in the truth. The ABC is just a propaganda outlet for multiculturalism. When it doesn't work you mustn't mention it - don't mention the war. bobby, I doesn't really matter. [....getting angry about ISLAM or all of the leftists 'progressives' in the ABC] Let the people have what they want, i say! That always leads to human happiness and contentedness,   right ? :) I'll have to leave soon.

Surely the ABC charter says something about the truth?

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2013C00136

  (2)  In the provision by the Corporation of its broadcasting services within Australia:

                     (a)  the Corporation shall take account of:

                              (i)  the broadcasting services provided by the commercial and community sectors of the Australian broadcasting system;

                             (ii)  the standards from time to time determined by the ACMA in respect of broadcasting services;

                            (iii)  the responsibility of the Corporation as the provider of an independent national broadcasting service to provide a balance between broadcasting programs of wide appeal and specialized broadcasting programs;

                            (iv)  the multicultural character of the Australian community; and

                             (v)  in connection with the provision of broadcasting programs of an educational nature—the responsibilities of the States in relation to education; and

The ABC was an icon and central hub of information and entertainment for a lot of Australians, now it is just a propaganda machine for anti-white, anti-male, anti-family, anti-hetero, anti-christian lobby groups with no relevance to the majority of  tax payers that fund it.

Brilliant? Hardly. It goes like this: Muzlums are a downtrodden people, enslaved by the evil West and its allies. It's the same old set of whinging complaints, and claims of victimhood we always hear after one of their atrocities. But if Muzlims are mistrusted in the West, who have they to blame but themselves? They are not interested in righting wrongs.

As for her statement: "We are expected to talk about the Koran, but not the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan." That's a flat out lie. There are plenty of Australians who voiced their condemnation of both.

issuevoter wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 1:22pm:

Brilliant? Hardly. It goes like this: Muzlums are a downtrodden people, enslaved by the evil West and its allies. It's the same old set of whinging complaints, and claims of victimhood we always hear after one of their atrocities. But if Muzlims are mistrusted in the West, who have they to blame but themselves? They are not interested in righting wrongs. As for her statement: "We are expected to talk about the Koran, but not the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan." That's a flat out lie. There are plenty of Australians who voiced their condemnation of both.

Just one piece of evidence a Muslim in Australia has been silenced for talking about iraq, Afghanistan or wherever.

The entitled cow needs to prove that assertion is true and acknowledge she would prolly face a death sentence for speaking on politics in those countries.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 7:28am:

The ABC was an icon and central hub of information and entertainment for a lot of Australians, now it is just a propaganda machine for anti-white, anti-male, anti-family, anti-hetero, anti-christian lobby groups with no relevance to the majority of  tax payers that fund it.

ABC still Australia’s most trusted news source

Your views are those obviously of a minority of Australians.  Run along, little Term Dog, I am sure I can hear your friends calling you from the little kiddies' playground...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 1:39pm:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 7:28am: The ABC was an icon and central hub of information and entertainment for a lot of Australians, now it is just a propaganda machine for anti-white, anti-male, anti-family, anti-hetero, anti-christian lobby groups with no relevance to the majority of  tax payers that fund it. ABC still Australia’s most trusted news source Your views are those obviously of a minority of Australians.  Run along, little Term Dog, I am sure I can hear your friends calling you from the little kiddies' playground...   ::)

You have a creepy obsession with hanging around little kiddies playgrounds.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 7:28am:

The ABC was an icon and central hub of information and entertainment for a lot of Australians, now it is just a propaganda machine for anti-white, anti-male, anti-family, anti-hetero, anti-christian lobby groups with no relevance to the majority of  tax payers that fund it.

The ABC has become a platform for homosexuals & progressives
who want to re-write history & present a fake multicultural narrative.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 1:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 1:39pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 7:28am: The ABC was an icon and central hub of information and entertainment for a lot of Australians, now it is just a propaganda machine for anti-white, anti-male, anti-family, anti-hetero, anti-christian lobby groups with no relevance to the majority of  tax payers that fund it. ABC still Australia’s most trusted news source Your views are those obviously of a minority of Australians.  Run along, little Term Dog, I am sure I can hear your friends calling you from the little kiddies' playground...   ::) You have a creepy obsession with hanging around little kiddies playgrounds.

No, little kiddies seem to like hanging 'round me for some strange reason.  I seem to be surrounded by them.   ::)

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 7:28am: The ABC was an icon and central hub of information and entertainment for a lot of Australians, now it is just a propaganda machine for anti-white, anti-male, anti-family, anti-hetero, anti-christian lobby groups with no relevance to the majority of  tax payers that fund it. The ABC has become a platform for homosexuals & progressives who want to re-write history & present a fake multicultural narrative.

ABC still Australia’s most trusted news source

Your views are those obviously of a minority of Australians.  Run along, little Bobby, I am sure I can hear your friends calling you from the little kiddies' playground...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 6:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 6:15pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 7:28am: The ABC was an icon and central hub of information and entertainment for a lot of Australians, now it is just a propaganda machine for anti-white, anti-male, anti-family, anti-hetero, anti-christian lobby groups with no relevance to the majority of  tax payers that fund it. The ABC has become a platform for homosexuals & progressives who want to re-write history & present a fake multicultural narrative. ABC still Australia’s most trusted news source Your views are those obviously of a minority of Australians.  Run along, little Bobby, I am sure I can hear your friends calling you from the little kiddies' playground...   ::)

Forget the insults.




Quote:

“In a time of growing concern about ‘fake news’ and the influence of social media this polling shows that Australians of all political stripes appreciate the importance of a dedicated public broadcaster,” said Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director of The Australia Institute. “Despite ongoing attacks on its content and funding, Australians continue to trust the ABC more than commercial or social news sources. “Our research consistently and clearly shows that Australians support their ABC and want to see that reflected in its funding, as it continues to be the country’s most trusted broadcaster.”

The ABC just has less fake news than the other fake broadcasters.

Brian - do you automatically believe what Big Brother tells you?

I don't believe anything the Government tells me - zero -

George Carlin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub5RtAu-j0I

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 6:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 6:15pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 7:28am: The ABC was an icon and central hub of information and entertainment for a lot of Australians, now it is just a propaganda machine for anti-white, anti-male, anti-family, anti-hetero, anti-christian lobby groups with no relevance to the majority of  tax payers that fund it. The ABC has become a platform for homosexuals & progressives who want to re-write history & present a fake multicultural narrative. ABC still Australia’s most trusted news source Your views are those obviously of a minority of Australians.  Run along, little Bobby, I am sure I can hear your friends calling you from the little kiddies' playground...   ::) Forget the insults. Quote: “In a time of growing concern about ‘fake news’ and the influence of social media this polling shows that Australians of all political stripes appreciate the importance of a dedicated public broadcaster,” said Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director of The Australia Institute. “Despite ongoing attacks on its content and funding, Australians continue to trust the ABC more than commercial or social news sources. “Our research consistently and clearly shows that Australians support their ABC and want to see that reflected in its funding, as it continues to be the country’s most trusted broadcaster.” The ABC just has less fake news than the other fake broadcasters. Brian - do you automatically believe what Big Brother tells you?

Nope.  Who do you trust more, Bobby?  The ABC or the Commercial stations which could well be pushing a particular version of events?  Mmm?

Despite what you and other wankers might like to believe, the overwhelming majority of Australians trust the ABC as a news source.   Until you face that reality, you're just barking at the Moon.    ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 6:51pm:

Nope.  Who do you trust more, Bobby?  The ABC or the Commercial stations which could well be pushing a particular version of events?  Mmm? Despite what you and other wankers might like to believe, the overwhelming majority of Australians trust the ABC as a news source.   Until you face that reality, you're just barking at the Moon.    ::) ::)

Brian,
Stop using inappropriate gutter language.
For someone who is supposed to have multiple degrees it doesn't bode well.

I don't trust any of the news outlets.

Every news outlet seems to have an agenda.
With the ABC - it's pushing, homosexual, progressive politics.
They actually got people brainwashed enough to vote for poofs to
marry & sodomise each others backsides with our blessing.
Big Brother has worked better than any Orwellian novel.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 6:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 6:51pm: Nope.  Who do you trust more, Bobby?  The ABC or the Commercial stations which could well be pushing a particular version of events?  Mmm? Despite what you and other wankers might like to believe, the overwhelming majority of Australians trust the ABC as a news source.   Until you face that reality, you're just barking at the Moon.    ::) ::) Brian, Stop using inappropriate gutter language. For someone who is supposed to have multiple degrees it doesn't bode well. I don't trust any of the news outlets. Every news outlet seems to have an agenda. With the ABC - it's pushing, homosexual, progressive politics. They actually got people brainwashed enough to vote for poofs to marry & sodomise each others backsides with our blessing. Big Brother has worked better than any Orwellian novel.

You're still missing the point, Bobby.  The majority of Australians believe in progressive politics, in being fair to gays.   People aren't brainwashed, they just believe in a fair go for all.  Until you come to terms with that, you'll remain out there on the fringes, baying at the Moon, Bobby.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 7:30pm:

The majority of Australians believe in progressive politics, in being fair to gays.   People aren't brainwashed, they just believe in a fair go for all.  Until you come to terms with that, you'll remain out there on the fringes, baying at the Moon, Bobby.    ::)

In all other contexts you and your ilk question the very idea of Australian-ness. Yet here you are citing the 'majority of Australians' whose bonds and ties and common ground you forever deny, belittle, denigrate and dismiss.

So who is an 'Australian' who has these lovely progressive political views?  How are they different to the Muslim Australians, the Danish Australians, the Chinese Australians?

Or does the granting of citizenship transform all these people into 'Australians'? If so, how is 'Australian different to all other nationalities??

No conferring, Bwian.

Brian thinks the majority of Australians are his three online  friends on the alt-left echo chambers he frequents.

Frank wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 7:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 7:30pm:   The majority of Australians believe in progressive politics, in being fair to gays.   People aren't brainwashed, they just believe in a fair go for all.  Until you come to terms with that, you'll remain out there on the fringes, baying at the Moon, Bobby.    ::) In all other contexts you and your ilk question the very idea of Australian-ness. Yet here you are citing the 'majority of Australians' whose bonds and ties and common ground you forever deny, belittle, denigrate and dismiss. So who is an 'Australian' who has these lovely progressive political views?  How are they different to the Muslim Australians, the Danish Australians, the Chinese Australians? Or does the granting of citizenship transform all these people into 'Australians'? If so, how is 'Australian different to all other nationalities?? No conferring, Bwian.

When you take an oath (or an affirmation) to the nation, you pledge your allegiance.  Some people may lie but they'll always lie.  Most people take the issue seriously.  They know however they now welcome as Australians by their fellow Australians.  Doesn't matter what the colour of their skin, the shape of their eyes, the religion they observe or the culture they believe in, Soren, they are once they have taken that oath (or affirmation) of allegiance they are Australians.

People like you, who feel that everybody must march in lockstep to the beat of the same drum are what ultimately divide our society.   You demand that people conform to your views of how they must act, how they must speak, how they must drink, how they must worship (if they are so inclined to worship).  Australians are not like that.   We are an easy going society, where everybody is allowed to be what they want.  You very ideas would not be unlike those of a hard-core Islamist Mujahadeen, Soren. You'd fit in well in the ranks of the ISIS believers, you'd be out there, measuring everyman's beard, making sure all their women were covered.  It is in your mindset, it is how you think and act.   You must hate your fellow Australians an awful lot, Soren.  Are you sure you're happy here?  Wouldn't you be better off back in the old country?  Where everybody wears the same leiderhosen or do you prefer jodhpurs and jackboots? ::) ::)

http://argumentua.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/Full_tekst_600x/article/2117.jpg

Soren and a few of his pals, 'round on a Saturday night for a right knees up...   :o

Term Dog wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

Brian thinks the majority of Australians are his three online  friends on the alt-left echo chambers he frequents.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Anything of value, ontopic there?  No, doesn't appears so.  Tsk, tsk, what a WFTAM you've proved to be.  Straight into the ad hominem insults, hey?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 7:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 6:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 6:51pm: Nope.  Who do you trust more, Bobby?  The ABC or the Commercial stations which could well be pushing a particular version of events?  Mmm? Despite what you and other wankers might like to believe, the overwhelming majority of Australians trust the ABC as a news source.   Until you face that reality, you're just barking at the Moon.    ::) ::) Brian, Stop using inappropriate gutter language. For someone who is supposed to have multiple degrees it doesn't bode well. I don't trust any of the news outlets. Every news outlet seems to have an agenda. With the ABC - it's pushing, homosexual, progressive politics. They actually got people brainwashed enough to vote for poofs to marry & sodomise each others backsides with our blessing. Big Brother has worked better than any Orwellian novel. You're still missing the point, Bobby.  The majority of Australians believe in progressive politics, in being fair to gays.   People aren't brainwashed, they just believe in a fair go for all.  Until you come to terms with that, you'll remain out there on the fringes, baying at the Moon, Bobby.    ::)

" being fair to gays? "

The propaganda has worked on you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub5RtAu-j0I

She starts right off by saying how she, and Muzlums, have been so unfairly treated for 17 years. I think we can all see she is alluding to 9-11 USA. Later she attempts justify herself using the war in Afghanistan and the invasion of Iraq.

Not one mention that 21 years ago, her religion was the reason that 58 foreign tourists were machine-gunned, stabbed and bludgeoned to death over a period of 45 minutes in Egypt.

Never mind that her religion attacked the USS Cole in the port of Aden and killed US sailors.

She doesn't mention the religion soaked pilot who crashed a fully loaded airliner into the sea off New York long before the wars she mentions.

The list goes on and on, but to her, none of this has anything to do with Islam, except that, we are supposed to listen and sympathise with her for the standard reason these atrocities were committed. The evil West with its secular capitalism holds the Muzlim in slavery. Poor downtrodden people, who cannot get out of their own way while they blame others for their "Brilliant" stupidity.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 10:21pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 7:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 7:30pm:   The majority of Australians believe in progressive politics, in being fair to gays.   People aren't brainwashed, they just believe in a fair go for all.  Until you come to terms with that, you'll remain out there on the fringes, baying at the Moon, Bobby.    ::) In all other contexts you and your ilk question the very idea of Australian-ness. Yet here you are citing the 'majority of Australians' whose bonds and ties and common ground you forever deny, belittle, denigrate and dismiss. So who is an 'Australian' who has these lovely progressive political views?  How are they different to the Muslim Australians, the Danish Australians, the Chinese Australians? Or does the granting of citizenship transform all these people into 'Australians'? If so, how is 'Australian different to all other nationalities?? No conferring, Bwian. When you take an oath (or an affirmation) to the nation, you pledge your allegiance.  Some people may lie but they'll always lie.  Most people take the issue seriously.  They know however they now welcome as Australians by their fellow Australians.  Doesn't matter what the colour of their skin, the shape of their eyes, the religion they observe or the culture they believe in, Soren, they are once they have taken that oath (or affirmation) of allegiance they are Australians. People like you, who feel that everybody must march in lockstep to the beat of the same drum are what ultimately divide our society.   You demand that people conform to your views of how they must act, how they must speak, how they must drink, how they must worship (if they are so inclined to worship).  Australians are not like that.   We are an easy going society, where everybody is allowed to be what they want.  You very ideas would not be unlike those of a hard-core Islamist Mujahadeen, Soren. You'd fit in well in the ranks of the ISIS believers, you'd be out there, measuring everyman's beard, making sure all their women were covered.  It is in your mindset, it is how you think and act.   You must hate your fellow Australians an awful lot, Soren.  Are you sure you're happy here?  Wouldn't you be better off back in the old country?  Where everybody wears the same leiderhosen or do you prefer jodhpurs and jackboots? ::) ::) http://argumentua.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/Full_tekst_600x/article/2117.jpg Soren and a few of his pals, 'round on a Saturday night for a right knees up...   :o

The 'Churchill is Hitler' argument.  You are THAT stupid, Bwian.  No surprise.

"summary of Muslim sentiment re Burke St"
The Muslims are well and truly on the nose.

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 5:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 1:24pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:57am: What part of that do we find so difficult to understand? The part that insists that I personally am responsible for the crime and that its up to me do more to make sure it doesn't happen again. Or in other words the whole "as a muslim I'm guilty by default" part. Thats what I have difficulty understanding. Far from being brilliant, it is the same old, tired arse-covering 'we are the victims here' crap that is regurgitated every time a Muslim kills for Islam. You dishonourable, self-pitying Muslims do this in order to remove any responsibility from Muslims for crimes committed solely in the name of your religion by people you know and who are part of your families, congregations, communities. The writer, like all other forked-tongues arse-coverers, gets onto Iraq and Afghanistan quick smart, as if Muslim have not been murdering each other and the infidel BEFORE Iraq and Afghanistan. As if Islam's war against everyone, including other Muslims, has not been going on exactly as long as Islam existed. Muslim refugees, immigrants and their children - people who WANTED to be taken in by Australia and other Western countries - are attacking the people who have taken them in and are attacking them ON RELIGIOUS GROUNDS, for Islam. And you want to excuse exactly that, Islam, the very motivation of these attacks, murders and attrocities perpetrated by Muslims. And you have the bloody cheek to ask why you are on the nose, why you are not believed, why you are under constant suspicion. Because you are the perpetrators of violence against the people who took you in yet want to BLAME the victims of your violence and get all huffy and 'victimised' for their noticing that you are murdering them for Islam even though they have given you peace and shelter. You are a load of bloody hypochrites and you have blinded yourselves to you own responsibilities.  Except I don't even believe that. You cannot be so unmoored as to not be aware of your gross hypocrisy, false bleating about victimhood. You are exploiting your enemies' weakness for compassion. I think you arse-covering victimhood-mongering Muslims are both lying knowing and are stupid enough to imagine that you can get away with it. You are blustering, ridiculous and mad like the North Korean leadership with sinister religious madness added.

Just out of curiousity, what "responsibilities" do you think the average law abiding contributing tax-paying muslim has in this regard?

You are literally ranting on as if we actually have sinister intentions.

issuevoter wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 1:22pm:

if Muzlims are mistrusted in the West, who have they to blame but themselves? ?

This fundamentally goes to the heart of the problem.

The assumption that "we" - as in the muslim population are some homogenous 'in-group'. It never occurs to you that individual muslims don't actually look at other individual muslims and automatically think "my bruvva - you my kind". Personally, its far more natural for me to look at all my non-muslim friends and family and consider myself part of that "in-group".

This mindset is actually worse than me pointing to Frank and labelling him as one of Breivik's "kind", and insisting that as such he is responsible for him. At least those two actually share essentially the same ideology, even if their methods differ. And yet, Frank and other like-minded (presumably peaceful) open racists/white supremacists never feel they need to apologise for Brievik or the spate of white-supremacist terrorist activity we have seen.  recently.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:12am:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 5:45pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 1:24pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:57am: What part of that do we find so difficult to understand? The part that insists that I personally am responsible for the crime and that its up to me do more to make sure it doesn't happen again. Or in other words the whole "as a muslim I'm guilty by default" part. Thats what I have difficulty understanding. Far from being brilliant, it is the same old, tired arse-covering 'we are the victims here' crap that is regurgitated every time a Muslim kills for Islam. You dishonourable, self-pitying Muslims do this in order to remove any responsibility from Muslims for crimes committed solely in the name of your religion by people you know and who are part of your families, congregations, communities. The writer, like all other forked-tongues arse-coverers, gets onto Iraq and Afghanistan quick smart, as if Muslim have not been murdering each other and the infidel BEFORE Iraq and Afghanistan. As if Islam's war against everyone, including other Muslims, has not been going on exactly as long as Islam existed. Muslim refugees, immigrants and their children - people who WANTED to be taken in by Australia and other Western countries - are attacking the people who have taken them in and are attacking them ON RELIGIOUS GROUNDS, for Islam. And you want to excuse exactly that, Islam, the very motivation of these attacks, murders and attrocities perpetrated by Muslims. And you have the bloody cheek to ask why you are on the nose, why you are not believed, why you are under constant suspicion. Because you are the perpetrators of violence against the people who took you in yet want to BLAME the victims of your violence and get all huffy and 'victimised' for their noticing that you are murdering them for Islam even though they have given you peace and shelter. You are a load of bloody hypochrites and you have blinded yourselves to you own responsibilities.  Except I don't even believe that. You cannot be so unmoored as to not be aware of your gross hypocrisy, false bleating about victimhood. You are exploiting your enemies' weakness for compassion. I think you arse-covering victimhood-mongering Muslims are both lying knowing and are stupid enough to imagine that you can get away with it. You are blustering, ridiculous and mad like the North Korean leadership with sinister religious madness added. Just out of curiousity, what "responsibilities" do you think the average law abiding contributing tax-paying muslim has in this regard? You are literally ranting on as if we actually have sinister intentions.

Well, you are not at home in the West. When Muslims create societies by their own Islamic lights, they create societies nothing like Western ones.  So you are torn from the outset. Your responsibility is NOT to let Islamic terrorists survive and thrive among you. They do not exist in the Danish, Italian, Vietnamese, Japanese communities, ONLY in the Muslims ones, regardless of nationality.

You also have a responsibility to be honest about your goals and plans for the future in Western societies. Various Muslims have let the cat out of he bag by saying clearly that you intend to take over by demographically out-breeding your hosts and so you DO maintain parallel societies until then. No assimilation, no marrying out, no leaving Islam behind.

It makes no sense for Muslims who forever kvetch about their victimisation in the West to keep flooding in unless they do intend to spread Islam and take over - as commanded.

Frank wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 6:34pm:

You also have a responsibility to be honest about your goals and plans for the future in Western societies. Various Muslims have let the cat out of he bag by saying clearly that you intend to take over by demographically out-breeding your hosts and so you DO maintain parallel societies until then. No assimilation, no marrying out, no leaving Islam behind.

Trully hillarious if you seriously believe muslims just sit around plotting these grand schemes.

Lets see, whats on the agenda today:
- get kids ready for school, make sure they catch the bus
- go to work, make sure that report due today is finished
- meet a couple of stakeholders for lunch
- pick up some groceries on the way home
- help kids with homework
- watch some netflix after kids are in bed...

... oh and most importantly plot the downfall of western civilization

Jesus Frank, we're just faarking normal people going about our lives, who hate and fear nutjobs running amok on the streets with knives and bombs as much as the next person. Why oh why would you even doubt this of normal, law abiding tax paying, contributing members of society? If its not rank bigotry and racism thats causing you to think this, what could it possibly be??

Core of Islamic Law or Shariah
The core of Islamic Law is preservation of:
1)    Religion
2)    Life
3)    Family
4)    Mind
5)    Wealth
6)    Some contemporary scholars suggest either justice or liberty to be the sixth category.

You won't be taken seriously Gandalf until you personally decide that "liberty" can be the only choice in this 6th core

And you especially won't be taken seriously if you were to insist that "mind" remain number 4. Developing the mind should always be number 1, in any society's cores

actually Bias, whether I, and any other person, muslims or non muslim, will be 'taken seriously' will be based solely on what I actually do say and achieve in the real world. Not on silly labels someone on an internet forum deens to arrogantly brand on me without knowing the first thing about me.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 8:49am:

actually Bias, whether I, and any other person, muslims or non muslim, will be 'taken seriously' will be based solely on what I actually do say and achieve in the real world. Not on silly labels someone on an internet forum deens to arrogantly brand on me without knowing the first thing about me.

Well that answers what I wanted to know - "Liberty" should be number 6 core ... and "Mind" should be number 1

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 8:36am:

1)    Religion 2)    Life

Further more Gandalf, muslims regard religion before life. This is how muslim terrorists think, they are complying with religion before life according to Islam's core values

So perhaps "Life" should be number 1 in the list of core values for Australian muslims, with "Mind" a close second. This is what you should recommend to your top dog Mufti


This is how Muslims regard the lives of their fellow muslims - putting religion before life

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1055515/suicide-bomber-targets-clerics-in-afghan-capital-40-killed

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 9:34am:

muslims regard religion before life.

That is fundamentally contradictory and nonsensical - for anyone who spends more than 2 seconds thinking about it (muslim or not).

Furthermore, thats the first time I've seen that list of yours, and it also makes little sense.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:59am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 9:34am: muslims regard religion before life. That is fundamentally contradictory and nonsensical - for anyone who spends more than 2 seconds thinking about it (muslim or not). Furthermore, thats the first time I've seen that list of yours, and it also makes little sense.

How the fak do you explain suicide bombers, virgins in paradise etc then dickhead.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 8:16am:

Frank wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 6:34pm: You also have a responsibility to be honest about your goals and plans for the future in Western societies. Various Muslims have let the cat out of he bag by saying clearly that you intend to take over by demographically out-breeding your hosts and so you DO maintain parallel societies until then. No assimilation, no marrying out, no leaving Islam behind. Trully hillarious if you seriously believe muslims just sit around plotting these grand schemes. Lets see, whats on the agenda today: - get kids ready for school, make sure they catch the bus - go to work, make sure that report due today is finished - meet a couple of stakeholders for lunch - pick up some groceries on the way home - help kids with homework - watch some netflix after kids are in bed... ... oh and most importantly plot the downfall of western civilization Jesus Frank, we're just faarking normal people going about our lives, who hate and fear nutjobs running amok on the streets with knives and bombs as much as the next person. Why oh why would you even doubt this of normal, law abiding tax paying, contributing members of society? If its not rank bigotry and racism thats causing you to think this, what could it possibly be??

You are not "just faarking normal people going about our lives".  You make it your business to stick out like the dog's bollocks, to parade your separateness and your disdain for the people who took you in all across the West. Your leaders are like you, they forever want to look the other way about Islamic terrorism but never about the benefit and the funding from the kuffar.

You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon - except when your islamic identity IS the central feature of islamic terrorism. THEN you are studiously' Oh, no identity to see here, move on".

You are forked-tongued yeah-but-no-but hypocrites, you are dishonest, slippery and, as you well know, not trusted. You know the islamic nutters better than anyone else because they live among you and they learn in your schools, mosques, websites, videos etc. If you really wanted to get rid of them you could. But they serve your purposes.

You don't want to fit in like 'faarking normal people going about our lives', you want to take over. That's what you have been doing for 1400 years and that's what you are doing now.  Put on a suit, shave, let your wives and daughters flourish in the freedoms that the West confers on all of you, quit being a 'victim' every time one of you murders the innocents and treat Islam as your private, personal devotion that others should not need to know about when they meet you. Then you might say you are 'just faarking normal people going about our lives'.  But until you do that you come across exactly as you intend to come across, 'just faarking invading pricks trying to ruin the joint for Allah'. (your 1400 year old legacy everywhere).

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 6:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 8:16am: Frank wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 6:34pm: You also have a responsibility to be honest about your goals and plans for the future in Western societies. Various Muslims have let the cat out of he bag by saying clearly that you intend to take over by demographically out-breeding your hosts and so you DO maintain parallel societies until then. No assimilation, no marrying out, no leaving Islam behind. Trully hillarious if you seriously believe muslims just sit around plotting these grand schemes. Lets see, whats on the agenda today: - get kids ready for school, make sure they catch the bus - go to work, make sure that report due today is finished - meet a couple of stakeholders for lunch - pick up some groceries on the way home - help kids with homework - watch some netflix after kids are in bed... ... oh and most importantly plot the downfall of western civilization Jesus Frank, we're just faarking normal people going about our lives, who hate and fear nutjobs running amok on the streets with knives and bombs as much as the next person. Why oh why would you even doubt this of normal, law abiding tax paying, contributing members of society? If its not rank bigotry and racism thats causing you to think this, what could it possibly be?? You are not "just faarking normal people going about our lives".  You make it your business to stick out like the dog's bollocks, to parade your separateness and your disdain for the people who took you in all across the West. Your leaders are like you, they forever want to look the other way about Islamic terrorism but never about the benefit and the funding from the kuffar. You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon - except when your islamic identity IS the central feature of islamic terrorism. THEN you are studiously' Oh, no identity to see here, move on". You are forked-tongued yeah-but-no-but hypocrites, you are dishonest, slippery and, as you well know, not trusted. You know the islamic nutters better than anyone else because they live among you and they learn in your schools, mosques, websites, videos etc. If you really wanted to get rid of them you could. But they serve your purposes. You don't want to fit in like 'faarking normal people going about our lives', you want to take over. That's what you have been doing for 1400 years and that's what you are doing now.  Put on a suit, shave, let your wives and daughters flourish in the freedoms that the West confers on all of you, quit being a 'victim' every time one of you murders the innocents and treat Islam as your private, personal devotion that others should not need to know about when they meet you. Then you might say you are 'just faarking normal people going about our lives'.  But until you do that you come across exactly as you intend to come across, 'just faarking invading pricks trying to ruin the joint for Allah'. (your 1400 year old legacy everywhere).

Good reply, speaks for a lot of people. Shame it will be completely ignored by those that despise us while taking our charity.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:59am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 9:34am: muslims regard religion before life. That is fundamentally contradictory and nonsensical - for anyone who spends more than 2 seconds thinking about it (muslim or not). Furthermore, thats the first time I've seen that list of yours, and it also makes little sense.

We know it makes little sense Gandalf, glad you finally admit it. So now, try telling Plumpton Islamic school or any other Islamic school, see if you can convince them


Plumpton site

http://www.westerngrammar.com.au/educational-philosophy.html


Our educational philosophy is mostly based upon the following inherited beliefs derived from the Quran and Sunnah, which is also followed by prominent people in human history.
•      Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists) (Al- Quran)


Core of Islamic Law or Shariah
The core of Islamic Law is preservation of:
1)    Religion
2)    Life
3)    Family
4)    Mind
5)    Wealth
6)    Some contemporary scholars suggest either justice or liberty to be the sixth category.
In the vision of Islam, they are known as "essentials" because they are considered essential to human welfare.
In conclude, if someone were to ask, what is the core of Islam in the fewest possible words, the answer would be, "it is within the word Islam itself: to serve, worship, and lovingly submit to God."


Islam site
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/  - scroll down

Term Dog wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 6:47pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 6:12pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 8:16am: Frank wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 6:34pm: You also have a responsibility to be honest about your goals and plans for the future in Western societies. Various Muslims have let the cat out of he bag by saying clearly that you intend to take over by demographically out-breeding your hosts and so you DO maintain parallel societies until then. No assimilation, no marrying out, no leaving Islam behind. Trully hillarious if you seriously believe muslims just sit around plotting these grand schemes. Lets see, whats on the agenda today: - get kids ready for school, make sure they catch the bus - go to work, make sure that report due today is finished - meet a couple of stakeholders for lunch - pick up some groceries on the way home - help kids with homework - watch some netflix after kids are in bed... ... oh and most importantly plot the downfall of western civilization Jesus Frank, we're just faarking normal people going about our lives, who hate and fear nutjobs running amok on the streets with knives and bombs as much as the next person. Why oh why would you even doubt this of normal, law abiding tax paying, contributing members of society? If its not rank bigotry and racism thats causing you to think this, what could it possibly be?? You are not "just faarking normal people going about our lives".  You make it your business to stick out like the dog's bollocks, to parade your separateness and your disdain for the people who took you in all across the West. Your leaders are like you, they forever want to look the other way about Islamic terrorism but never about the benefit and the funding from the kuffar. You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon - except when your islamic identity IS the central feature of islamic terrorism. THEN you are studiously' Oh, no identity to see here, move on". You are forked-tongued yeah-but-no-but hypocrites, you are dishonest, slippery and, as you well know, not trusted. You know the islamic nutters better than anyone else because they live among you and they learn in your schools, mosques, websites, videos etc. If you really wanted to get rid of them you could. But they serve your purposes. You don't want to fit in like 'faarking normal people going about our lives', you want to take over. That's what you have been doing for 1400 years and that's what you are doing now.  Put on a suit, shave, let your wives and daughters flourish in the freedoms that the West confers on all of you, quit being a 'victim' every time one of you murders the innocents and treat Islam as your private, personal devotion that others should not need to know about when they meet you. Then you might say you are 'just faarking normal people going about our lives'.  But until you do that you come across exactly as you intend to come across, 'just faarking invading pricks trying to ruin the joint for Allah'. (your 1400 year old legacy everywhere). Good reply, speaks for a lot of people. Shame it will be completely ignored by those that despise us while taking our charity.

Muslims claim to be the victims every time they kill us.

Frank wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 6:12pm:

You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon

Only because people like you keep bringing it up Frank. You're the one whose using identity as a weapon here, so don't whinge when I retort with a counter-argument about identity. You point at any random muslim who you wouldn't know the first thing about and blithely label him/her a forked tongue hypocrite and a terrorist by association. While ever you bandy around such breathtaking lies about the vast majority of muslims and absurdly put them in the same basket as the terrorists, I will defend them - and yes I will unapologetically complain how unfair it is. Boo hoo, identity bandwagon innit. Deal with it.

Every single muslim terrorist is 100% convinced that he/she is absolutely accepted by allah and will definitely go to paradise.

What is wrong with a religion that causes and motivates this kind of thinking on a world wide basis?

My personal belief is that the verses in the qur'an are to blame.

However the first thing for muslims to accept is that their religion is doctrinally flawed.

It has to be, for so many muslims to believe that rape torture and mass murder is perfectly o.k..

Once again we see that truth will destroy islam, for the old thief liar pedophile rapist torturer and mass murderer muhammad, had a convenient *revelation* that islam was perfect.

So if muslims all believe and support the statement that islam is perfect, then they also support the engendered human rights atrocities committed by muslims on a daily basis around the globe.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 8:11am:

Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 6:12pm: You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon Only because people like you keep bringing it up Frank. You're the one whose using identity as a weapon here, so don't whinge when I retort with a counter-argument about identity. You point at any random muslim who you wouldn't know the first thing about and blithely label him/her a forked tongue hypocrite and a terrorist by association. While ever you bandy around such breathtaking lies about the vast majority of muslims and absurdly put them in the same basket as the terrorists, I will defend them - and yes I will unapologetically complain how unfair it is. Boo hoo, identity bandwagon innit. Deal with it.

Yes, but the old boy likes Danish. He said so himself.

Your Muselman, on the other hand, refuses to assimilate. The old boy merely models his superior culture for the rest of us.

Carpetbomb them.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 8:11am:

Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 6:12pm: You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon Only because people like you keep bringing it up Frank. You're the one whose using identity as a weapon here, so don't whinge when I retort with a counter-argument about identity. You point at any random muslim who you wouldn't know the first thing about and blithely label him/her a forked tongue hypocrite and a terrorist by association. While ever you bandy around such breathtaking lies about the vast majority of muslims and absurdly put them in the same basket as the terrorists, I will defend them - and yes I will unapologetically complain how unfair it is. Boo hoo, identity bandwagon innit. Deal with it.

As I said, you are not "just faarking normal people going about our lives".  You make it your business to stick out like the dog's bollocks, to parade your separateness and your disdain for the people who took you in all across the West. Your leaders are like you, they forever want to look the other way about Islamic terrorism but never about the benefit and the funding from the kuffar.

You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon - except when your islamic identity IS the central feature of islamic terrorism. THEN you are studiously' Oh, no identity to see here, move on".

You are forked-tongued yeah-but-no-but hypocrites, you are dishonest, slippery and, as you well know, not trusted. You know the islamic nutters better than anyone else because they live among you and they learn in your schools, mosques, websites, videos etc. If you really wanted to get rid of them you could. But they serve your purposes.

Itt's forever "Muslims fear backlash over tomorrow's terror attack'. Always special treatment and dispensations for Muslims but no special responsibilities for them around Islamic terrorism. Hypocrisy is the correct label for such a stance.



https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/cac72a066b376e9d8fe7b4df8aadcdf5?width=320

Earlier, Mr Morrison said Muslim leaders refusing to meet with him are “continuing down a path of denial” about terrorism and they are “letting their communities down”.

Australia’s Grand Mufti and other Islamic leaders are boycotting a proposed roundtable meeting with the Prime Minister over his tough stance on Islamist terrorism after the Bourke Street attack.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 8:11am:

Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 6:12pm: You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon Only because people like you keep bringing it up Frank. You're the one whose using identity as a weapon here, so don't whinge when I retort with a counter-argument about identity. You point at any random muslim who you wouldn't know the first thing about and blithely label him/her a forked tongue hypocrite and a terrorist by association. While ever you bandy around such breathtaking lies about the vast majority of muslims and absurdly put them in the same basket as the terrorists, I will defend them - and yes I will unapologetically complain how unfair it is. Boo hoo, identity bandwagon innit. Deal with it.

Islam has not improved the West in any way in the past few centuries.

Muslims AS MUSLIMS, AS ISLAMIC PEOPLE, have not made a single positive contribution to any Western country - or any other country - since the end of WWII. Any contribution Muslims have made has been DESPITE ISLAMIC BELIEFS, often contrary to them.

The impact and effect of the presence of Islamic belief and practice in the West has been wholly negative since the end of the war. You, as Muslims, bring nothing positive, nothing of value or improvement. You bring only degradation, fractiousness, fear, violence, division and backwardness. Islam is a negative force in the world, it has done nothing good AS ISLAM.

Frank wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 8:51pm:

Muslims AS MUSLIMS, AS ISLAMIC PEOPLE, have not made a single positive contribution to any Western country

yes Frank, we all know the meme, but does that actually mean anything?

Does it mean that for every individual muslim surgeon, scientist, teacher etc - you know people who "contribute" to society - that I can point out, you can fob it off because it somehow doesn't meet your criteria of (and don't forget the caps) "AS MUSLIMS, AS ISLAMIC PEOPLE" - whatever that is?

Frank wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 8:51pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:11am: Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 6:12pm: You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon Only because people like you keep bringing it up Frank. You're the one whose using identity as a weapon here, so don't whinge when I retort with a counter-argument about identity. You point at any random muslim who you wouldn't know the first thing about and blithely label him/her a forked tongue hypocrite and a terrorist by association. While ever you bandy around such breathtaking lies about the vast majority of muslims and absurdly put them in the same basket as the terrorists, I will defend them - and yes I will unapologetically complain how unfair it is. Boo hoo, identity bandwagon innit. Deal with it. Islam has not improved the West in any way in the past few centuries. Muslims AS MUSLIMS, AS ISLAMIC PEOPLE, have not made a single positive contribution to any Western country - or any other country - since the end of WWII. Any contribution Muslims have made has been DESPITE ISLAMIC BELIEFS, often contrary to them. The impact and effect of the presence of Islamic belief and practice in the West has been wholly negative since the end of the war. You, as Muslims, bring nothing positive, nothing of value or improvement. You bring only degradation, fractiousness, fear, violence, division and backwardness. Islam is a negative force in the world, it has done nothing good AS ISLAM.

Islam is a curse just like the Spanish Inquisition.

Religion has gone insane.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 7:57am:

Frank wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:51pm: Muslims AS MUSLIMS, AS ISLAMIC PEOPLE, have not made a single positive contribution to any Western country yes Frank, we all know the meme, but does that actually mean anything? Does it mean that for every individual muslim surgeon, scientist, teacher etc - you know people who "contribute" to society - that I can point out, you can fob it off because it somehow doesn't meet your criteria of (and don't forget the caps) "AS MUSLIMS, AS ISLAMIC PEOPLE" - whatever that is?

They are practicing WESTERN medicine and science.

so by "contribution" you really mean they must bring something new and non-western?

Isn't your mantra that immigrants must assimilate? Now you're whinging that they are assimilating by embracing western ways and science?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 8:44am:

Frank wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:11am: Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 6:12pm: You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon Only because people like you keep bringing it up Frank. You're the one whose using identity as a weapon here, so don't whinge when I retort with a counter-argument about identity. You point at any random muslim who you wouldn't know the first thing about and blithely label him/her a forked tongue hypocrite and a terrorist by association. While ever you bandy around such breathtaking lies about the vast majority of muslims and absurdly put them in the same basket as the terrorists, I will defend them - and yes I will unapologetically complain how unfair it is. Boo hoo, identity bandwagon innit. Deal with it. Islam has not improved the West in any way in the past few centuries. Muslims AS MUSLIMS, AS ISLAMIC PEOPLE, have not made a single positive contribution to any Western country - or any other country - since the end of WWII. Any contribution Muslims have made has been DESPITE ISLAMIC BELIEFS, often contrary to them. The impact and effect of the presence of Islamic belief and practice in the West has been wholly negative since the end of the war. You, as Muslims, bring nothing positive, nothing of value or improvement. You bring only degradation, fractiousness, fear, violence, division and backwardness. Islam is a negative force in the world, it has done nothing good AS ISLAM. Islam is a curse just like the Spanish Inquisition. Religion has gone insane.

Bobby, religion has never been "sane".  Only insane people believe in a sky fairy.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 11:35am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 8:44am: Frank wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:11am: Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 6:12pm: You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon Only because people like you keep bringing it up Frank. You're the one whose using identity as a weapon here, so don't whinge when I retort with a counter-argument about identity. You point at any random muslim who you wouldn't know the first thing about and blithely label him/her a forked tongue hypocrite and a terrorist by association. While ever you bandy around such breathtaking lies about the vast majority of muslims and absurdly put them in the same basket as the terrorists, I will defend them - and yes I will unapologetically complain how unfair it is. Boo hoo, identity bandwagon innit. Deal with it. Islam has not improved the West in any way in the past few centuries. Muslims AS MUSLIMS, AS ISLAMIC PEOPLE, have not made a single positive contribution to any Western country - or any other country - since the end of WWII. Any contribution Muslims have made has been DESPITE ISLAMIC BELIEFS, often contrary to them. The impact and effect of the presence of Islamic belief and practice in the West has been wholly negative since the end of the war. You, as Muslims, bring nothing positive, nothing of value or improvement. You bring only degradation, fractiousness, fear, violence, division and backwardness. Islam is a negative force in the world, it has done nothing good AS ISLAM. Islam is a curse just like the Spanish Inquisition. Religion has gone insane. Bobby, religion has never been "sane".  Only insane people believe in a sky fairy.   ::)

or people scared of the eternal sleep.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 11:35am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 8:44am: Frank wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:11am: Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 6:12pm: You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon Only because people like you keep bringing it up Frank. You're the one whose using identity as a weapon here, so don't whinge when I retort with a counter-argument about identity. You point at any random muslim who you wouldn't know the first thing about and blithely label him/her a forked tongue hypocrite and a terrorist by association. While ever you bandy around such breathtaking lies about the vast majority of muslims and absurdly put them in the same basket as the terrorists, I will defend them - and yes I will unapologetically complain how unfair it is. Boo hoo, identity bandwagon innit. Deal with it. Islam has not improved the West in any way in the past few centuries. Muslims AS MUSLIMS, AS ISLAMIC PEOPLE, have not made a single positive contribution to any Western country - or any other country - since the end of WWII. Any contribution Muslims have made has been DESPITE ISLAMIC BELIEFS, often contrary to them. The impact and effect of the presence of Islamic belief and practice in the West has been wholly negative since the end of the war. You, as Muslims, bring nothing positive, nothing of value or improvement. You bring only degradation, fractiousness, fear, violence, division and backwardness. Islam is a negative force in the world, it has done nothing good AS ISLAM. Islam is a curse just like the Spanish Inquisition. Religion has gone insane. Bobby, religion has never been "sane".  Only insane people believe in a sky fairy.   ::)

Is that your educated opinion as a doctor of theology?   ;D  ;D. 

You should get your money back from the mail order doctorate mill on account of stupidity and then look at a dictionary.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 11:35am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 8:44am: Frank wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:11am: Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 6:12pm: You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon Only because people like you keep bringing it up Frank. You're the one whose using identity as a weapon here, so don't whinge when I retort with a counter-argument about identity. You point at any random muslim who you wouldn't know the first thing about and blithely label him/her a forked tongue hypocrite and a terrorist by association. While ever you bandy around such breathtaking lies about the vast majority of muslims and absurdly put them in the same basket as the terrorists, I will defend them - and yes I will unapologetically complain how unfair it is. Boo hoo, identity bandwagon innit. Deal with it. Islam has not improved the West in any way in the past few centuries. Muslims AS MUSLIMS, AS ISLAMIC PEOPLE, have not made a single positive contribution to any Western country - or any other country - since the end of WWII. Any contribution Muslims have made has been DESPITE ISLAMIC BELIEFS, often contrary to them. The impact and effect of the presence of Islamic belief and practice in the West has been wholly negative since the end of the war. You, as Muslims, bring nothing positive, nothing of value or improvement. You bring only degradation, fractiousness, fear, violence, division and backwardness. Islam is a negative force in the world, it has done nothing good AS ISLAM. Islam is a curse just like the Spanish Inquisition. Religion has gone insane. Bobby, religion has never been "sane".  Only insane people believe in a sky fairy.   ::)

Really Brian? I hope you are being sarcastic, but it doesn't seem so...

Every single Christian terrorist is 100% convinced that he/she is absolutely accepted by Yahweh and will definitely go to heaven.

What is wrong with a religion that causes and motivates this kind of thinking on a world wide basis?

My personal belief is that the verses in the Bible are to blame.

However the first thing for Christians to accept is that their religion is doctrinally flawed.

It has to be, for so many Christians to believe that rape torture and mass murder is perfectly o.k..

Once again we see that truth will destroy Christianity, for the old liar and advocate of mass murderer, Christ, had a convenient *revelation* that Christianity was perfect.

So if Christians all believe and support the statement that Christianity is perfect, then they also support the engendered human rights atrocities committed by Christians on a daily basis around the globe.   ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 1:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 11:35am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 8:44am: Frank wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:11am: Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 6:12pm: You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon Only because people like you keep bringing it up Frank. You're the one whose using identity as a weapon here, so don't whinge when I retort with a counter-argument about identity. You point at any random muslim who you wouldn't know the first thing about and blithely label him/her a forked tongue hypocrite and a terrorist by association. While ever you bandy around such breathtaking lies about the vast majority of muslims and absurdly put them in the same basket as the terrorists, I will defend them - and yes I will unapologetically complain how unfair it is. Boo hoo, identity bandwagon innit. Deal with it. Islam has not improved the West in any way in the past few centuries. Muslims AS MUSLIMS, AS ISLAMIC PEOPLE, have not made a single positive contribution to any Western country - or any other country - since the end of WWII. Any contribution Muslims have made has been DESPITE ISLAMIC BELIEFS, often contrary to them. The impact and effect of the presence of Islamic belief and practice in the West has been wholly negative since the end of the war. You, as Muslims, bring nothing positive, nothing of value or improvement. You bring only degradation, fractiousness, fear, violence, division and backwardness. Islam is a negative force in the world, it has done nothing good AS ISLAM. Islam is a curse just like the Spanish Inquisition. Religion has gone insane. Bobby, religion has never been "sane".  Only insane people believe in a sky fairy.   ::) Really Brian? I hope you are being sarcastic, but it doesn't seem so...

Brian is a strange guy -
he studied for years to get a Doctor of Divinity -
that's definitely a deep study of religion.

I wonder if his studies focused in on how the
Roman Catholic Inquisition
could be so nasty while at the same time
justifying everything with the Bible?

It's very similar to ISIS.
The Muslims are having their own Inquisition.
The Mussies need something like the Protestant Reformation
to bring them out of the religious dark ages.
( although the Protestants certainly also burned plenty of people at the stake)

All Abrahamic religion is fundamentally flawed.
that includes:
Judaism,
Christianity,
& Islam.

Each of them can find good reasons to murder millions of people
and say they are doing God's work.

Oh allah almighty, they say imitation is the highest form of praise.

Or does it mean that they are just too *rudewordforintercoursed* in the head to think for themselves?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 5:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 1:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 11:35am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 8:44am: Frank wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:11am: Frank wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 6:12pm: You are very quick to jump on the grievance is my identity bandwagon Only because people like you keep bringing it up Frank. You're the one whose using identity as a weapon here, so don't whinge when I retort with a counter-argument about identity. You point at any random muslim who you wouldn't know the first thing about and blithely label him/her a forked tongue hypocrite and a terrorist by association. While ever you bandy around such breathtaking lies about the vast majority of muslims and absurdly put them in the same basket as the terrorists, I will defend them - and yes I will unapologetically complain how unfair it is. Boo hoo, identity bandwagon innit. Deal with it. Islam has not improved the West in any way in the past few centuries. Muslims AS MUSLIMS, AS ISLAMIC PEOPLE, have not made a single positive contribution to any Western country - or any other country - since the end of WWII. Any contribution Muslims have made has been DESPITE ISLAMIC BELIEFS, often contrary to them. The impact and effect of the presence of Islamic belief and practice in the West has been wholly negative since the end of the war. You, as Muslims, bring nothing positive, nothing of value or improvement. You bring only degradation, fractiousness, fear, violence, division and backwardness. Islam is a negative force in the world, it has done nothing good AS ISLAM. Islam is a curse just like the Spanish Inquisition. Religion has gone insane. Bobby, religion has never been "sane".  Only insane people believe in a sky fairy.   ::) Really Brian? I hope you are being sarcastic, but it doesn't seem so... Brian is a strange guy - he studied for years to get a Doctor of Divinity - that's definitely a deep study of religion. I wonder if his studies focused in on how the Roman Catholic Inquisition could be so nasty while at the same time justifying everything with the Bible? It's very similar to ISIS. The Muslims are having their own Inquisition. The Mussies need something like the Protestant Reformation to bring them out of the religious dark ages. ( although the Protestants certainly also burned plenty of people at the stake) All Abrahamic religion is fundamentally flawed. that includes: Judaism, Christianity, & Islam. Each of them can find good reasons to murder millions of people and say they are doing God's work.

All religions are flawed, Bobby.  All religions.  Why?  'cause they all rely on revelation, not logic.  Sky fairies are used to explain natural phenomena.   Sky fairies are used to provide revelation.   Sky fairies are usually found in the bottom of a bottle...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 5:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 5:47pm: Brian is a strange guy - he studied for years to get a Doctor of Divinity - that's definitely a deep study of religion. I wonder if his studies focused in on how the Roman Catholic Inquisition could be so nasty while at the same time justifying everything with the Bible? It's very similar to ISIS. The Muslims are having their own Inquisition. The Mussies need something like the Protestant Reformation to bring them out of the religious dark ages. ( although the Protestants certainly also burned plenty of people at the stake) All Abrahamic religion is fundamentally flawed. that includes: Judaism, Christianity, & Islam. Each of them can find good reasons to murder millions of people and say they are doing God's work. All religions are flawed, Bobby.  All religions.  Why?  'cause they all rely on revelation, not logic.  Sky fairies are used to explain natural phenomena.   Sky fairies are used to provide revelation.   Sky fairies are usually found in the bottom of a bottle...   ::)

Brian,
All Abrahamic religion is violent.
Even Jesus said that the laws of the Old Testament are still binding.
Witches were considered real.
That's what spurred on the Roman Catholic Inquisition.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 5:51pm:

All religions are flawed, Bobby.  All religions.  Why?  'cause they all rely on revelation, not logic.  Sky fairies are used to explain natural phenomena.   Sky fairies are used to provide revelation.   Sky fairies are usually found in the bottom of a bottle...   ::)

;D ;D ;D ;D

You wouldn't know logic if it was up you, Bwian  (it IS up you and you are oblivious)!!!  You are a tendentious, deeply prejudiced and stupid person who uses ''logic' as a term for self-affirmation. You are ignorant and lack any curiosity outside your ideological bubble. For you 'logic' simply means confirmation of your ignorant yet loud idiocies.

You are an idiot, Bwian and logic would be like a stake through your heart. You use 'logic' as a shibboleth but you do not yourself comprehend the first thing about it. You could not present a logical argument to save your vain life - you have never presented a logical argument here. You simply evoke the idea without it touching your life or mind in any way. You think of it simply as a ticket to put on your vain and preening self but you have absolutely no comprehension of it or ability to apply and live it.
Your mind is jumbled, illogical, incoherent, yet - therefore?- deeply sanctimonious, tendentious and censorious.

In short, you are an idiot with all the fury and bluster of idiots. You have never in your long and sorry life made a compelling point. That is beyond your comprehension. Bluster and flurry and BS - that's all you ever amount to, Bwian.

Frank wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 8:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 5:51pm: All religions are flawed, Bobby.  All religions.  Why?  'cause they all rely on revelation, not logic.  Sky fairies are used to explain natural phenomena.   Sky fairies are used to provide revelation.   Sky fairies are usually found in the bottom of a bottle...   ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D You wouldn't know logic if it was up you, Bwian  (it IS up you and you are oblivious)!!!  You are a tendentious, deeply prejudiced and stupid person who uses ''logic' as a term for self-affirmation. You are ignorant and lack any curiosity outside your ideological bubble. For you 'logic' simply means confirmation of your ignorant yet loud idiocies. You are an idiot, Bwian and logic would be like a stake through your heart. You use 'logic' as a shibboleth but you do not yourself comprehend the first thing about it. You could not present a logical argument to save your vain life - you have never presented a logical argument here. You simply evoke the idea without it touching your life or mind in any way. You think of it simply as a ticket to put on your vain and preening self but you have absolutely no comprehension of it or ability to apply and live it. Your mind is jumbled, illogical, incoherent, yet - therefore?- deeply sanctimonious, tendentious and censorious. In short, you are an idiot with all the fury and bluster of idiots. You have never in your long and sorry life made a compelling point. That is beyond your comprehension. Bluster and flurry and BS - that's all you ever amount to, Bwian.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Nothing of value there at all, hey, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother posting, torturing all those poor electrons.   Now, if you had a point worth answering, I'd answer it but as you don't, I won't bother.    ::) ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 9:10am:

so by "contribution" you really mean they must bring something new and non-western?

Of course. What other point or reason would be to importing Islam? (yes, cultural suicide which what you are all exploiting and counting on).

Islam is not an improvement on anything in the West. So Islam AS ISLAM is not a good thing to be brought to the West.  You Muslims are willful aliens who have no shared aims and values with your Western hosts. You are the Muslims holes that want to eat up the Western sock. You will eventually destroy everything that makes the West what it is. You have been about nothing else for 1400 years. You are reaction incarnate. But being a parasitic creed, there is no chance for your survival. Like the hole in the sock, you will perish when the thing you wanted to destroy is destroyed.

Islamic terrorism is the death throes of Islam. That why all you bastards want to look away - you know that your idiotic, reactionary creed is dying. You are f Vcked so you lash out and then deny any responsibility. It's curtains for Islam. You are the Soviet Union Mark 2.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 9:18pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 8:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 5:51pm: All religions are flawed, Bobby.  All religions.  Why?  'cause they all rely on revelation, not logic.  Sky fairies are used to explain natural phenomena.   Sky fairies are used to provide revelation.   Sky fairies are usually found in the bottom of a bottle...   ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D You wouldn't know logic if it was up you, Bwian  (it IS up you and you are oblivious)!!!  You are a tendentious, deeply prejudiced and stupid person who uses ''logic' as a term for self-affirmation. You are ignorant and lack any curiosity outside your ideological bubble. For you 'logic' simply means confirmation of your ignorant yet loud idiocies. You are an idiot, Bwian and logic would be like a stake through your heart. You use 'logic' as a shibboleth but you do not yourself comprehend the first thing about it. You could not present a logical argument to save your vain life - you have never presented a logical argument here. You simply evoke the idea without it touching your life or mind in any way. You think of it simply as a ticket to put on your vain and preening self but you have absolutely no comprehension of it or ability to apply and live it. Your mind is jumbled, illogical, incoherent, yet - therefore?- deeply sanctimonious, tendentious and censorious. In short, you are an idiot with all the fury and bluster of idiots. You have never in your long and sorry life made a compelling point. That is beyond your comprehension. Bluster and flurry and BS - that's all you ever amount to, Bwian. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Nothing of value there at all, hey, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother posting, torturing all those poor electrons.   Now, if you had a point worth answering, I'd answer it but as you don't, I won't bother.    ::) ::)

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


In short, you are an idiot.  Cant' be plainer than that, Bwainless Bwan. You are grotesque. You are a picture of a mental cripple along the lines of Bosch and the Bruegels.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 3:24pm:

Every single Christian terrorist is 100% convinced that he/she is absolutely accepted by Yahweh and will definitely go to heaven. What is wrong with a religion that causes and motivates this kind of thinking on a world wide basis? My personal belief is that the verses in the Bible are to blame. However the first thing for Christians to accept is that their religion is doctrinally flawed. It has to be, for so many Christians to believe that rape torture and mass murder is perfectly o.k.. Once again we see that truth will destroy Christianity, for the old liar and advocate of mass murderer, Christ, had a convenient *revelation* that Christianity was perfect. So if Christians all believe and support the statement that Christianity is perfect, then they also support the engendered human rights atrocities committed by Christians on a daily basis around the globe.   ::)

You wanking fantasist, you.  Any examples of ACTUAL Christian terrorist acting along those lines, Bwainless Bwian?

Frank wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 9:36pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 9:10am: so by "contribution" you really mean they must bring something new and non-western? Of course. What other point or reason would be to importing Islam? (yes, cultural suicide which what you are all exploiting and counting on). Islam is not an improvement on anything in the West. So Islam AS ISLAM is not a good thing to be brought to the West.  You Muslims are willful aliens who have no shared aims and values with your Western hosts. You are the Muslims holes that want to eat up the Western sock. You will eventually destroy everything that makes the West what it is. You have been about nothing else for 1400 years. You are reaction incarnate. But being a parasitic creed, there is no chance for your survival. Like the hole in the sock, you will perish when the thing you wanted to destroy is destroyed. Islamic terrorism is the death throes of Islam. That why all you bastards want to look away - you know that your idiotic, reactionary creed is dying. You are f Vcked so you lash out and then deny any responsibility. It's curtains for Islam. You are the Soviet Union Mark 2.

I'm talking about individual muslims contributing to society. A Bangladeshi doctor hired to fill a regional vacancy that can't be filled by a local is contributing to society. We're not talking about them flying the flag of Islam and testing them on what "Islamic" contribution they can bring. I'm countering your dumb and racist contention that all muslims are not just merely stupid and useless, but worse, sinister and constantly plotting to bring our society down. Every muslim to a man, woman and child. Thats what you said. Thats the stupid on stilts you brought to this debate. Don't now try and twist this in to some lofty vague rant about Islam in its death throws.

And stop abusing Brian - no matter how annoying he might be.

Frank wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 9:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 9:18pm: Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 8:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 5:51pm: All religions are flawed, Bobby.  All religions.  Why?  'cause they all rely on revelation, not logic.  Sky fairies are used to explain natural phenomena.   Sky fairies are used to provide revelation.   Sky fairies are usually found in the bottom of a bottle...   ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D You wouldn't know logic if it was up you, Bwian  (it IS up you and you are oblivious)!!!  You are a tendentious, deeply prejudiced and stupid person who uses ''logic' as a term for self-affirmation. You are ignorant and lack any curiosity outside your ideological bubble. For you 'logic' simply means confirmation of your ignorant yet loud idiocies. You are an idiot, Bwian and logic would be like a stake through your heart. You use 'logic' as a shibboleth but you do not yourself comprehend the first thing about it. You could not present a logical argument to save your vain life - you have never presented a logical argument here. You simply evoke the idea without it touching your life or mind in any way. You think of it simply as a ticket to put on your vain and preening self but you have absolutely no comprehension of it or ability to apply and live it. Your mind is jumbled, illogical, incoherent, yet - therefore?- deeply sanctimonious, tendentious and censorious. In short, you are an idiot with all the fury and bluster of idiots. You have never in your long and sorry life made a compelling point. That is beyond your comprehension. Bluster and flurry and BS - that's all you ever amount to, Bwian. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Nothing of value there at all, hey, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother posting, torturing all those poor electrons.   Now, if you had a point worth answering, I'd answer it but as you don't, I won't bother.    ::) ::) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D In short, you are an idiot.  Cant' be plainer than that, Bwainless Bwan. You are grotesque. You are a picture of a mental cripple along the lines of Bosch and the Bruegels.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Nothing of value there at all, hey, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother posting, torturing all those poor electrons.   Now, if you had a point worth answering, I'd answer it but as you don't, I won't bother.    ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 9:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 3:24pm: Every single Christian terrorist is 100% convinced that he/she is absolutely accepted by Yahweh and will definitely go to heaven. What is wrong with a religion that causes and motivates this kind of thinking on a world wide basis? My personal belief is that the verses in the Bible are to blame. However the first thing for Christians to accept is that their religion is doctrinally flawed. It has to be, for so many Christians to believe that rape torture and mass murder is perfectly o.k.. Once again we see that truth will destroy Christianity, for the old liar and advocate of mass murderer, Christ, had a convenient *revelation* that Christianity was perfect. So if Christians all believe and support the statement that Christianity is perfect, then they also support the engendered human rights atrocities committed by Christians on a daily basis around the globe.   ::) You wanking fantasist, you.  Any examples of ACTUAL Christian terrorist acting along those lines, Bwainless Bwian?

Yes.

Oh Christ almighty, they say imitation is the highest form of praise.

Or does it mean that they are just too *Elizabethan-rude-word-for-intercourse* in the head to think for themselves?

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moses wrote on Nov 24^th, 2018 at 2:54pm:

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Nothing of value there at all, hey, Moses?  I wonder why you bother, I really do.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 11:08pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 9:47pm: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 3:24pm: Every single Christian terrorist is 100% convinced that he/she is absolutely accepted by Yahweh and will definitely go to heaven. What is wrong with a religion that causes and motivates this kind of thinking on a world wide basis? My personal belief is that the verses in the Bible are to blame. However the first thing for Christians to accept is that their religion is doctrinally flawed. It has to be, for so many Christians to believe that rape torture and mass murder is perfectly o.k.. Once again we see that truth will destroy Christianity, for the old liar and advocate of mass murderer, Christ, had a convenient *revelation* that Christianity was perfect. So if Christians all believe and support the statement that Christianity is perfect, then they also support the engendered human rights atrocities committed by Christians on a daily basis around the globe.   ::) You wanking fantasist, you.  Any examples of ACTUAL Christian terrorist acting along those lines, Bwainless Bwian? Yes.

Well, go on, Bwainless Bwian, show us what you see as Christian terrorists acting along the same lines as the jihadists. go on, ijit.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 5:51pm:

All religions are flawed, Bobby.  All religions.  Why?  'cause they all rely on revelation, not logic.  Sky fairies are used to explain natural phenomena.   Sky fairies are used to provide revelation.   Sky fairies are usually found in the bottom of a bottle...   ::)

All human understanding is flawed/incomplete/imperfect, you insufferable, thick bastard.  You are a very stupid man, Bwian. NOTHING is perfect = flawed. Myths. stories, parables, art, religion, science, town planning, IKEA furniture, language - nothing.

You are PROFOUNDLY, amazingly stupid. I read your posts to keep in touch with just how stupid people can be WITHOUT SHAME, without actually hiding it. You are out there, showing OFF!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2018 at 7:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 5:51pm: All religions are flawed, Bobby.  All religions.  Why?  'cause they all rely on revelation, not logic.  Sky fairies are used to explain natural phenomena.   Sky fairies are used to provide revelation.   Sky fairies are usually found in the bottom of a bottle...   ::) All human understanding is flawed/incomplete/imperfect, you insufferable, thick bastard.  You are a very stupid man, Bwian. NOTHING is perfect = flawed. Myths. stories, parables, art, religion, science, town planning, IKEA furniture, language - nothing. You are PROFOUNDLY, amazingly stupid. I read your posts to keep in touch with just how stupid people can be WITHOUT SHAME, without actually hiding it. You are out there, showing OFF!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Absolutely nothing of value there, Soren, as usual.  I really don't know why you bother, I really don't.  You should stop torturing the electrons with your bullshit.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 10:22pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 9:36pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 9:10am: so by "contribution" you really mean they must bring something new and non-western? Of course. What other point or reason would be to importing Islam? (yes, cultural suicide which what you are all exploiting and counting on). Islam is not an improvement on anything in the West. So Islam AS ISLAM is not a good thing to be brought to the West.  You Muslims are willful aliens who have no shared aims and values with your Western hosts. You are the Muslims holes that want to eat up the Western sock. You will eventually destroy everything that makes the West what it is. You have been about nothing else for 1400 years. You are reaction incarnate. But being a parasitic creed, there is no chance for your survival. Like the hole in the sock, you will perish when the thing you wanted to destroy is destroyed. Islamic terrorism is the death throes of Islam. That why all you bastards want to look away - you know that your idiotic, reactionary creed is dying. You are f Vcked so you lash out and then deny any responsibility. It's curtains for Islam. You are the Soviet Union Mark 2. I'm talking about individual muslims contributing to society. A Bangladeshi doctor hired to fill a regional vacancy that can't be filled by a local is contributing to society. We're not talking about them flying the flag of Islam and testing them on what "Islamic" contribution they can bring. I'm countering your dumb and racist contention that all muslims are not just merely stupid and useless, but worse, sinister and constantly plotting to bring our society down. Every muslim to a man, woman and child. Thats what you said. Thats the stupid on stilts you brought to this debate. Don't now try and twist this in to some lofty vague rant about Islam in its death throws. And stop abusing Brian - no matter how annoying he might be.

AS MUSLIMS, as adherents of Islam - you bring absolutely nothing positive, no improvement to any Western society. AS ISLAMIC  people, you are a completely negative influence. There is absolutely nothing in Islam that is an improvement to any Western society.
Say it out loud, if you must. 

If you do contribute it is ALWAYS despite or apart from your Muslimness - Western medicine science and all the rest. You contribute in completely NON-MUSLIM ways. Any aspect of of your Muslimness is a degradation of Western societies and communities.  Islam's impact on the West is completely negative. It;s is all bad, nothing positive, no improvement. Islam is like a disease in the West: It's virulent, it makes everyone sick, it gives everyone the sh!ts.


Prove me wrong, show me the improvements Islam has brought to Australia.  There aren't any.

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2018 at 9:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 10:22pm: Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 9:36pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 9:10am: so by "contribution" you really mean they must bring something new and non-western? Of course. What other point or reason would be to importing Islam? (yes, cultural suicide which what you are all exploiting and counting on). Islam is not an improvement on anything in the West. So Islam AS ISLAM is not a good thing to be brought to the West.  You Muslims are willful aliens who have no shared aims and values with your Western hosts. You are the Muslims holes that want to eat up the Western sock. You will eventually destroy everything that makes the West what it is. You have been about nothing else for 1400 years. You are reaction incarnate. But being a parasitic creed, there is no chance for your survival. Like the hole in the sock, you will perish when the thing you wanted to destroy is destroyed. Islamic terrorism is the death throes of Islam. That why all you bastards want to look away - you know that your idiotic, reactionary creed is dying. You are f Vcked so you lash out and then deny any responsibility. It's curtains for Islam. You are the Soviet Union Mark 2. I'm talking about individual muslims contributing to society. A Bangladeshi doctor hired to fill a regional vacancy that can't be filled by a local is contributing to society. We're not talking about them flying the flag of Islam and testing them on what "Islamic" contribution they can bring. I'm countering your dumb and racist contention that all muslims are not just merely stupid and useless, but worse, sinister and constantly plotting to bring our society down. Every muslim to a man, woman and child. Thats what you said. Thats the stupid on stilts you brought to this debate. Don't now try and twist this in to some lofty vague rant about Islam in its death throws. And stop abusing Brian - no matter how annoying he might be. AS MUSLIMS, as adherents of Islam - you bring absolutely nothing positive, no improvement to any Western society. AS ISLAMIC  people, you are a completely negative influence. There is absolutely nothing in Islam that is an improvement to any Western society. Say it out loud, if you must.  If you do contribute it is ALWAYS despite or apart from your Muslimness - Western medicine science and all the rest. You contribute in completely NON-MUSLIM ways. Any aspect of of your Muslimness is a degradation of Western societies and communities.  Islam's impact on the West is completely negative. It;s is all bad, nothing positive, no improvement. Islam is like a disease in the West: It's virulent, it makes everyone sick, it gives everyone the sh!ts. Prove me wrong, show me the improvements Islam has brought to Australia.  There aren't any.

But, but what about all the diversity they bring.

Diversity is good because diversity is good.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 24^th, 2018 at 9:51pm:

But, but what about all the diversity they bring. Diversity is good because diversity is good.

Diversity is good because monocultural/monoreligious/monoracial/mono anything is invariably weaker than a society which has diverse ideas/beliefs/views on any issue.   It is through the arguing, the tempering of those ideas/beliefs/views which improve them.   Some sectors Christianity were once as violent and as aggressive as some sectors of Islam is today.   They learned however, they gained more converts, more and better relationships within society by tempering their message, removing the violence and emphasizing the love.   Islam is the same, it is learning that violence doesn't work.  More Muslims are threatened, killed and maimed by fellow Muslims who are Islamists than Westerns ever will be.  Why?  Because they need to convert Muslims to their way/manner of thinking about the religion.  Is it working?  Not terribly well if we look at the performance of al Q'aeda and Daoush.   Both have failed miserably.   How soon will the Westerners realise their mission is just as bound for hell as that of the Islamists?  Mmmmm?   

Loop
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25^th, 2018 at 12:52pm:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 24th, 2018 at 9:51pm: But, but what about all the diversity they bring. Diversity is good because diversity is good. Diversity is good because monocultural/monoreligious/monoracial/mono anything is invariably weaker than a society which has diverse ideas/beliefs/views on any issue.   It is through the arguing, the tempering of those ideas/beliefs/views which improve them.   Some sectors Christianity were once as violent and as aggressive as some sectors of Islam is today.   They learned however, they gained more converts, more and better relationships within society by tempering their message, removing the violence and emphasizing the love.   Islam is the same, it is learning that violence doesn't work.  More Muslims are threatened, killed and maimed by fellow Muslims who are Islamists than Westerns ever will be.  Why?  Because they need to convert Muslims to their way/manner of thinking about the religion.  Is it working?  Not terribly well if we look at the performance of al Q'aeda and Daoush.   Both have failed miserably.   How soon will the Westerners realise their mission is just as bound for hell as that of the Islamists?  Mmmmm?

The West has.enough diversity within itself to create the most humane, prosperous, advanced, functioning society humans have achieved. Your response was just rhetorical. What has importing thousands of non Westerner done to improve uk, Germany, sweden etc.   Crime, parallel societies, terrorism, death, rape, acid attacks, stabbings, no go zones and white flight because their peaceful homes have been destroyed.

Diversity is more than exotic restaurants on your block.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25^th, 2018 at 12:52pm:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 24th, 2018 at 9:51pm: But, but what about all the diversity they bring. Diversity is good because diversity is good. Diversity is good because monocultural/monoreligious/monoracial/mono anything is invariably weaker than a society which has diverse ideas/beliefs/views on any issue.   It is through the arguing, the tempering of those ideas/beliefs/views which improve them.   Some sectors Christianity were once as violent and as aggressive as some sectors of Islam is today.   They learned however, they gained more converts, more and better relationships within society by tempering their message, removing the violence and emphasizing the love.   Islam is the same, it is learning that violence doesn't work.  More Muslims are threatened, killed and maimed by fellow Muslims who are Islamists than Westerns ever will be.  Why?  Because they need to convert Muslims to their way/manner of thinking about the religion.  Is it working?  Not terribly well if we look at the performance of al Q'aeda and Daoush.   Both have failed miserably.   How soon will the Westerners realise their mission is just as bound for hell as that of the Islamists?  Mmmmm?

Nonsense. The West has come up with an amazing amount of new stuff without African, Arab, Asian mass immigration.

The mania for diversity is obsessive. The EU is unable to properly manage culturally very similar peoples. How much harder is it to manage and keep together culturally alien, even hostile peoples? It is impossible and it is mad to insist on forcing it.

If Iceland  is not for Icelanders, if it is not their home - where is their home? Same with every nation and its culture. Each needs a place where it is at home. Mixing in all sorts of unassimilating aliens is terrible and must stop.

You only have to look at what happens to farm animals with indiscriminate mixing, the whole herd suffers.

Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2018 at 2:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25th, 2018 at 12:52pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 24th, 2018 at 9:51pm: But, but what about all the diversity they bring. Diversity is good because diversity is good. Diversity is good because monocultural/monoreligious/monoracial/mono anything is invariably weaker than a society which has diverse ideas/beliefs/views on any issue.   It is through the arguing, the tempering of those ideas/beliefs/views which improve them.   Some sectors Christianity were once as violent and as aggressive as some sectors of Islam is today.   They learned however, they gained more converts, more and better relationships within society by tempering their message, removing the violence and emphasizing the love.   Islam is the same, it is learning that violence doesn't work.  More Muslims are threatened, killed and maimed by fellow Muslims who are Islamists than Westerns ever will be.  Why?  Because they need to convert Muslims to their way/manner of thinking about the religion.  Is it working?  Not terribly well if we look at the performance of al Q'aeda and Daoush.   Both have failed miserably.   How soon will the Westerners realise their mission is just as bound for hell as that of the Islamists?  Mmmmm?    Nonsense. The West has come up with an amazing zzmount of new stuff without African, Arab, Asian mass immigration. The mania for diversity is obscessive. The EU is unable to properly manage culturally very similar peoples. How much harder is it to manage and keep together culturally alien, even hostile peoples? It is impossibble and it is mad to insist on forcing it. If Iceland  is not for Icelanders, if it is not their home - where is their home? Same with every nation and its culture. Each needs a place where it is at home. Mixing in all sorts of unassimilating aliens is terrible and must stop.

Do you know? If you were born here, we'd all say no worries. But you're an unassimilating stool-eater who barely speaka-da-English.

Europe has no problems with managing different European cultures. People work, pay tax and send their kids to school like everybody else.

Without immigrants like your jolly self, we'd have a shrinking population and be in long-term recession, so we import you. If you can't get on with the job and stop moaning, you should GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM, no?

Haha Karnal trying to bait for attention. Worthless non contributor.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 25^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

Haha Karnal trying to bait for attention. Worthless non contributor.

Matty was born here, boys. Maybe we should export him to Denmark to help top them up.

What are you like at straightening bins, Matty?

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 3:24pm:

Every single Christian terrorist is 100% convinced that he/she is absolutely accepted by Yahweh and will definitely go to heaven. What is wrong with a religion that causes and motivates this kind of thinking on a world wide basis? My personal belief is that the verses in the Bible are to blame. However the first thing for Christians to accept is that their religion is doctrinally flawed. It has to be, for so many Christians to believe that rape torture and mass murder is perfectly o.k.. Once again we see that truth will destroy Christianity, for the old liar and advocate of mass murderer, Christ, had a convenient *revelation* that Christianity was perfect. So if Christians all believe and support the statement that Christianity is perfect, then they also support the engendered human rights atrocities committed by Christians on a daily basis around the globe.   ::)

Where do you get this total rot from, Bwian?  Your own head?  What happened to you, Bwian? Who f Vcked you up so badly?  Seriously.  I am trying to be merciful and compassionate.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 25^th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

Loop Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25th, 2018 at 12:52pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 24th, 2018 at 9:51pm: But, but what about all the diversity they bring. Diversity is good because diversity is good. Diversity is good because monocultural/monoreligious/monoracial/mono anything is invariably weaker than a society which has diverse ideas/beliefs/views on any issue.   It is through the arguing, the tempering of those ideas/beliefs/views which improve them.   Some sectors Christianity were once as violent and as aggressive as some sectors of Islam is today.   They learned however, they gained more converts, more and better relationships within society by tempering their message, removing the violence and emphasizing the love.   Islam is the same, it is learning that violence doesn't work.  More Muslims are threatened, killed and maimed by fellow Muslims who are Islamists than Westerns ever will be.  Why?  Because they need to convert Muslims to their way/manner of thinking about the religion.  Is it working?  Not terribly well if we look at the performance of al Q'aeda and Daoush.   Both have failed miserably.   How soon will the Westerners realise their mission is just as bound for hell as that of the Islamists?  Mmmmm?    The West has.enough diversity within itself to create the most humane, prosperous, advanced, functioning society humans have achieved. Your response was just rhetorical. What has importing thousands of non Westerner done to improve uk, Germany, sweden etc.   Crime, parallel societies, terrorism, death, rape, acid attacks, stabbings, no go zones and white flight because their peaceful homes have been destroyed. Diversity is more than exotic restaurants on your block.

Diversity is more than just having all people look the same, think the same, act the same.  Something you appear frightened of.   Is it because you're afraid that your "humane, prosperous, advanced, functioning society," isn't really all that "humane", nor all all that "prosperous" nor all that well "functioning" except when it is exploiting people, particularly people of colour?   

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25^th, 2018 at 10:17pm:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 25th, 2018 at 1:27pm: Loop Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25th, 2018 at 12:52pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 24th, 2018 at 9:51pm: But, but what about all the diversity they bring. Diversity is good because diversity is good. Diversity is good because monocultural/monoreligious/monoracial/mono anything is invariably weaker than a society which has diverse ideas/beliefs/views on any issue.   It is through the arguing, the tempering of those ideas/beliefs/views which improve them.   Some sectors Christianity were once as violent and as aggressive as some sectors of Islam is today.   They learned however, they gained more converts, more and better relationships within society by tempering their message, removing the violence and emphasizing the love.   Islam is the same, it is learning that violence doesn't work.  More Muslims are threatened, killed and maimed by fellow Muslims who are Islamists than Westerns ever will be.  Why?  Because they need to convert Muslims to their way/manner of thinking about the religion.  Is it working?  Not terribly well if we look at the performance of al Q'aeda and Daoush.   Both have failed miserably.   How soon will the Westerners realise their mission is just as bound for hell as that of the Islamists?  Mmmmm?    The West has.enough diversity within itself to create the most humane, prosperous, advanced, functioning society humans have achieved. Your response was just rhetorical. What has importing thousands of non Westerner done to improve uk, Germany, sweden etc.   Crime, parallel societies, terrorism, death, rape, acid attacks, stabbings, no go zones and white flight because their peaceful homes have been destroyed. Diversity is more than exotic restaurants on your block. Diversity is more than just having all people look the same, think the same, act the same.  Something you appear frightened of.   Is it because you're afraid that your "humane, prosperous, advanced, functioning society," isn't really all that "humane", nor all all that "prosperous" nor all that well "functioning" except when it is exploiting people, particularly people of colour?

Why are all the backward third worlders flooding in if it's  not that humane, prosperous and advanced? And what improvements in humanity, prosperity, organisation do they bring to the West, having ruined their own home countries? What improvement has Islam brought?

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 8:00am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25th, 2018 at 10:17pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 25th, 2018 at 1:27pm: Loop Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25th, 2018 at 12:52pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 24th, 2018 at 9:51pm: But, but what about all the diversity they bring. Diversity is good because diversity is good. Diversity is good because monocultural/monoreligious/monoracial/mono anything is invariably weaker than a society which has diverse ideas/beliefs/views on any issue.   It is through the arguing, the tempering of those ideas/beliefs/views which improve them.   Some sectors Christianity were once as violent and as aggressive as some sectors of Islam is today.   They learned however, they gained more converts, more and better relationships within society by tempering their message, removing the violence and emphasizing the love.   Islam is the same, it is learning that violence doesn't work.  More Muslims are threatened, killed and maimed by fellow Muslims who are Islamists than Westerns ever will be.  Why?  Because they need to convert Muslims to their way/manner of thinking about the religion.  Is it working?  Not terribly well if we look at the performance of al Q'aeda and Daoush.   Both have failed miserably.   How soon will the Westerners realise their mission is just as bound for hell as that of the Islamists?  Mmmmm?    The West has.enough diversity within itself to create the most humane, prosperous, advanced, functioning society humans have achieved. Your response was just rhetorical. What has importing thousands of non Westerner done to improve uk, Germany, sweden etc.   Crime, parallel societies, terrorism, death, rape, acid attacks, stabbings, no go zones and white flight because their peaceful homes have been destroyed. Diversity is more than exotic restaurants on your block. Diversity is more than just having all people look the same, think the same, act the same.  Something you appear frightened of.   Is it because you're afraid that your "humane, prosperous, advanced, functioning society," isn't really all that "humane", nor all all that "prosperous" nor all that well "functioning" except when it is exploiting people, particularly people of colour?    Why are all the backward third worlders flooding in if it's  not that humane, prosperous and advanced? And what improvements in humanity, prosperity, organisation do they bring to the West, having ruined their own home countries? What improvement has Islam brought?

I am sure that all the poor people who have lived in those "humane, prosperous, advanced, functioning societies" would dispute how "humane, prosperous, advanced and functioning," those societies were, Soren.

Oh, listen, I can hear your nursemaid calling you.  Time to trot along back to your little friends in the little kiddies' playground.  We don't want them to miss you, now do we?   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2018 at 5:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 3:24pm: Every single Christian terrorist is 100% convinced that he/she is absolutely accepted by Yahweh and will definitely go to heaven. What is wrong with a religion that causes and motivates this kind of thinking on a world wide basis? My personal belief is that the verses in the Bible are to blame. However the first thing for Christians to accept is that their religion is doctrinally flawed. It has to be, for so many Christians to believe that rape torture and mass murder is perfectly o.k.. Once again we see that truth will destroy Christianity, for the old liar and advocate of mass murderer, Christ, had a convenient *revelation* that Christianity was perfect. So if Christians all believe and support the statement that Christianity is perfect, then they also support the engendered human rights atrocities committed by Christians on a daily basis around the globe.   ::) Where do you get this total rot from, Bwian?  Your own head?  What happened to you, Bwian? Who f Vcked you up so badly?  Seriously.  I am trying to be merciful and compassionate.

Ask Moses, Soren.  Afterall, they are his words, replayed back to him with the criminals being charged for what they are, criminals...   ::) ::)

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Every single Christian terrorist is 100% convinced that he/she is absolutely accepted by Yahweh and will definitely go to heaven. What is wrong with a religion that causes and motivates this kind of thinking on a world wide basis? My personal belief is that the verses in the Bible are to blame. However the first thing for Christians to accept is that their religion is doctrinally flawed. It has to be, for so many Christians to believe that rape torture and mass murder is perfectly o.k.. Once again we see that truth will destroy Christianity, for the old liar and advocate of mass murderer, Christ, had a convenient *revelation* that Christianity was perfect. So if Christians all believe and support the statement that Christianity is perfect, then they also support the engendered human rights atrocities committed by Christians on a daily basis around the globe.

I have earned the right to refer to you as lying scum in other topics, once again you have reinforced my right to refer to yOu as lying scum.

I challenge you to show two things:

1/. where has / does Christianity cause and motivate terrorism on a world wide basis?

2/. Where did Christ advocate mass murder?

Failure on your part is just one more example of you deliberately lying to defame an innocent party.

I unreservedly call brian ross lying scum

   

shame moses.

For all the illogical and hateful vitriol you've come up with over the years, I always thought you drew the line at personal attacks.

Guess I was wrong  :-/

brian ross is a deliberate liar on this debate site Gandalf.

moses wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 6:25pm:

brian ross is a deliberate liar on this debate site Gandalf.

And you are deliberately racist and engage in blatant hatemongering - which I find personally offensive... but I don't personally attack you.

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 8:00am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25th, 2018 at 10:17pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 25th, 2018 at 1:27pm: Loop Brian Ross wrote on Nov 25th, 2018 at 12:52pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 24th, 2018 at 9:51pm: But, but what about all the diversity they bring. Diversity is good because diversity is good. Diversity is good because monocultural/monoreligious/monoracial/mono anything is invariably weaker than a society which has diverse ideas/beliefs/views on any issue.   It is through the arguing, the tempering of those ideas/beliefs/views which improve them.   Some sectors Christianity were once as violent and as aggressive as some sectors of Islam is today.   They learned however, they gained more converts, more and better relationships within society by tempering their message, removing the violence and emphasizing the love.   Islam is the same, it is learning that violence doesn't work.  More Muslims are threatened, killed and maimed by fellow Muslims who are Islamists than Westerns ever will be.  Why?  Because they need to convert Muslims to their way/manner of thinking about the religion.  Is it working?  Not terribly well if we look at the performance of al Q'aeda and Daoush.   Both have failed miserably.   How soon will the Westerners realise their mission is just as bound for hell as that of the Islamists?  Mmmmm?    The West has.enough diversity within itself to create the most humane, prosperous, advanced, functioning society humans have achieved. Your response was just rhetorical. What has importing thousands of non Westerner done to improve uk, Germany, sweden etc.   Crime, parallel societies, terrorism, death, rape, acid attacks, stabbings, no go zones and white flight because their peaceful homes have been destroyed. Diversity is more than exotic restaurants on your block. Diversity is more than just having all people look the same, think the same, act the same.  Something you appear frightened of.   Is it because you're afraid that your "humane, prosperous, advanced, functioning society," isn't really all that "humane", nor all all that "prosperous" nor all that well "functioning" except when it is exploiting people, particularly people of colour?    Why are all the backward third worlders flooding in if it's  not that humane, prosperous and advanced? And what improvements in humanity, prosperity, organisation do they bring to the West, having ruined their own home countries? What improvement has Islam brought?

As far as I can see, old boy, hi-tech. They all seem to work in IT.

You?

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 7:10pm:

moses wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 6:25pm: brian ross is a deliberate liar on this debate site Gandalf. And you are deliberately racist and engage in blatant hatemongering - which I find personally offensive... but I don't personally attack you.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTpkdGHWoAAjcDb.jpg

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 9:31pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 7:10pm: moses wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 6:25pm: brian ross is a deliberate liar on this debate site Gandalf. And you are deliberately racist and engage in blatant hatemongering - which I find personally offensive... but I don't personally attack you. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTpkdGHWoAAjcDb.jpg

If you actually thought about what I said Frank, you'll see that I was making exactly the same point Fry makes. That I am not using my being offended as some license to engage in ad hominem's or anything else. As opposed to moses who seems to be saying 'because Brian lies, and since lying offends me - therefore I have a license to personally abuse Brian'.

You of course abuse Brian in every single reply to him. What is your excuse?

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 8:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:59am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 9:34am: muslims regard religion before life. That is fundamentally contradictory and nonsensical - for anyone who spends more than 2 seconds thinking about it (muslim or not). Furthermore, thats the first time I've seen that list of yours, and it also makes little sense. We know it makes little sense Gandalf, glad you finally admit it. So now, try telling Plumpton Islamic school or any other Islamic school, see if you can convince them Plumpton site http://www.westerngrammar.com.au/educational-philosophy.html Our educational philosophy is mostly based upon the following inherited beliefs derived from the Quran and Sunnah, which is also followed by prominent people in human history. •      Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists) (Al- Quran) Core of Islamic Law or Shariah The core of Islamic Law is preservation of: 1)    Religion 2)    Life 3)    Family 4)    Mind 5)    Wealth 6)    Some contemporary scholars suggest either justice or liberty to be the sixth category. In the vision of Islam, they are known as "essentials" because they are considered essential to human welfare. In conclude, if someone were to ask, what is the core of Islam in the fewest possible words, the answer would be, "it is within the word Islam itself: to serve, worship, and lovingly submit to God." Islam site http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/  - scroll down

You've seen it now Gandalf, don't tell me you haven't seen it before, it's the first thing muslims learn besides watching youtube vids of killings in the name of Allah

What sort of convert would you be not knowing the cores of islam and their order of importance?

"Mind" comes in at number 4, right where your mind is, not number 1, but number 4

It's only a number 4 mind that would suggest that muslim killers are not initially part of the muslim community. It's only after they kill or get caught out by the AFP that you and your fellow apologists conveniently describe the situation as "lone wolves", "mentally ill", "religious extremists", "haven't really got anything to do with the rest of the community's Islam", "don't blame us" etc

But before they kill, they are part of the muslim community, you know that to be true as much as muslims and everybody else does. Therefore it's the responsibility of the muslim community and those who brought muslims here, to eradicate the killers before they kill, and get it done sooner rather than later, the AFP is overloaded and short of funds, as well as that, the job for the AFP investigating muslims is a job that will go on in perpetuity while ever there are muslims in Australia 

It's not up to the rest of us to sort it out, we just want to get on with our lives in peace and not have to look over our shoulders every few steps while walking down the street

While ever you have a number 4 mind Gandalf, I for one won't take anything you say about muslims seriously until you admit that the muslim community should do a lot more to assist the govt in every way possible to weed out the potential killers in their midst and make it easy for them to leave Australia. Dogged resistance to that is only going to result in more attacks

A majority of muftis who reject a Prime Minister's call, any prime minister, for assistance to help out with the issue, are, by inference, condoning past killings and any killings and maiming in the future, and if you support those uncooperative muftis, you are a witting uncooperative partner to them

Do your own dirty work cleaning up, and don't expect the community as a whole to do it for you, muslims made the mess, it's up to them to clean it up

It's bad enough that there was those pedophile priests, but now, muslim attacks are replacing that malignant cancer on society with a new malignant cancer, originating from within the muslim community 

You do know of course, those two muslims in Colo who refused to abide by Council rules were charged and locked up until bailed. They will face court. Now why in the world would they want to ignore the Council? they were told their charity didn't cut it to break official rules. So, what are they in your estimation? lone wolves, mentally ill, hasn't got anything to do with Islam? (when it had everything to to with Islam and they don't recognize Australian law). Muslims are crazy, they don't deserve our respect

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 8:49am:

Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:31pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 7:10pm: moses wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 6:25pm: brian ross is a deliberate liar on this debate site Gandalf. And you are deliberately racist and engage in blatant hatemongering - which I find personally offensive... but I don't personally attack you. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTpkdGHWoAAjcDb.jpg If you actually thought about what I said Frank, you'll see that I was making exactly the same point Fry makes. That I am not using my being offended as some license to engage in ad hominem's or anything else. As opposed to moses who seems to be saying 'because Brian lies, and since lying offends me - therefore I have a license to personally abuse Brian'. You of course abuse Brian in every single reply to him. What is your excuse?

Oh, Frank's offended alright.

You know, come to this country, stir up the locals, and get offended. It's the old boy business model.

Superior culture, innit.

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As opposed to moses who seems to be saying 'because Brian lies, and since lying offends me - therefore I have a license to personally abuse Brian

CRAP.

The lies about a religious group don't *offend* me at all, they are deliberate lies on this debate site nothing more nothing less.

I challenge the liar in question to substantiate his fallacies, I also qualify my challenges with a statement that if this liar can't prove his words then he has forfeited to me a right to call him lying scum.

I challenge Moses to substantiate his fallacies, I also qualify my challenges with a statement that if Moses can't prove his words then he has forfeited to me a right to call him well, a lying Christian.

I have challenged you many times to substantiate your claim that I am "lying" - that I am "knowingly telling an untruth," Moses.  You have failed to substantiate your claim that i am "lying".   Time to now put up or shut up.   Tsk, tsk.  Run along back to Sunday School, I hear your Priest calling you.  He wants to use you again....   ::) ::)

deliberate lie on the part of brian ross:

brian ross wrote: Reply #73 - Nov 23rd, 2018 at 3:24pm

Every single Christian terrorist is 100% convinced that he/she is absolutely accepted by Yahweh and will definitely go to heaven.

What is wrong with a religion that causes and motivates this kind of thinking on a world wide basis?

My personal belief is that the verses in the Bible are to blame.

However the first thing for Christians to accept is that their religion is doctrinally flawed.

It has to be, for so many Christians to believe that rape torture and mass murder is perfectly o.k..

Once again we see that truth will destroy Christianity, for the old liar and advocate of mass murderer, Christ, had a convenient *revelation* that Christianity was perfect.

So if Christians all believe and support the statement that Christianity is perfect, then they also support the engendered human rights atrocities committed by Christians on a daily basis around the globe.

I challenged this liar to show where there has been a world wide Christian terrorist movement, he slithered away I won the right to refer to him as lying scum.

I challenged him to show where Christ advocated mass murder, once again in true fashion he slithered away like the lying scum troll he is .

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 1:56pm:

YYou've seen it now Gandalf, don't tell me you haven't seen it before, it's the first thing muslims learn besides watching youtube vids of killings in the name of Allah What sort of convert would you be not knowing the cores of islam and their order of importance?

I understand that you are more interested in trolling me than actually debating, but in any case this is such idiotic nonsense that I need to address it.

The first things muslims learn include, in no particular order al fatihah (the first verse of the Quran and the one recited in every prayer), the 5 pillars - prayer, zakat, hajj, shahada and fasting, learning to read arabic, how to perform the salat (prayer).

These are the things that encapsulate the "core of Islam" - the quran, prayer, declaration of the oneness of God. If you are looking for a neat little shopping list of "Islam's core", then the first thing actual muslims would point towards is the 5 pillars - as would most non-muslims who actually have a clue. That list you produce is simply a generic ethical code that would apply to absolutely any religious person. I have no idea where you found it, but there is nothing specifically 'Islamic' about it.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 6:53pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 27th, 2018 at 1:56pm: YYou've seen it now Gandalf, don't tell me you haven't seen it before, it's the first thing muslims learn besides watching youtube vids of killings in the name of Allah What sort of convert would you be not knowing the cores of islam and their order of importance? I understand that you are more interested in trolling me than actually debating, but in any case this is such idiotic nonsense that I need to address it. The first things muslims learn include, in no particular order al fatihah (the first verse of the Quran and the one recited in every prayer), the 5 pillars - prayer, zakat, hajj, shahada and fasting, learning to read arabic, how to perform the salat (prayer). These are the things that encapsulate the "core of Islam" - the quran, prayer, declaration of the oneness of God. If you are looking for a neat little shopping list of "Islam's core", then the first thing actual muslims would point towards is the 5 pillars - as would most non-muslims who actually have a clue. That list you produce is simply a generic ethical code that would apply to absolutely any religious person. I have no idea where you found it, but there is nothing specifically 'Islamic' about it.

That's a cop-out, and you've ignored the rest of my post. I'll assume then that you're not interested in discussing solutions how to stop the attacks

I provided a link, seems you ignored that as well, it was the "Religion of Islam.com"

https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/core-values-of-islam/



Here's a good solution for potential attackers, would you support this, or would you oppose it? ....

Citizenship crackdown on Aussie extremists
5:23pm Nov 22, 2018

Australian-born terrorists could soon be stripped of their citizenship and kicked out of the country far more easily, under sweeping new powers to be debated in parliament before Christmas.

https://www.9news.com.au/2018/11/22/09/57/aussie-extremists-could-lose-citizenship

Prime Minister Scott Morrison will introduce new laws within weeks aimed at revoking citizenship from dual nationals convicted of terror offences, regardless of the length of their sentence.

moses wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 6:04pm:

deliberate lie on the part of brian ross: brian ross wrote: Reply #73 - Nov 23rd, 2018 at 3:24pm Every single Christian terrorist is 100% convinced that he/she is absolutely accepted by Yahweh and will definitely go to heaven. What is wrong with a religion that causes and motivates this kind of thinking on a world wide basis? My personal belief is that the verses in the Bible are to blame. However the first thing for Christians to accept is that their religion is doctrinally flawed. It has to be, for so many Christians to believe that rape torture and mass murder is perfectly o.k.. Once again we see that truth will destroy Christianity, for the old liar and advocate of mass murderer, Christ, had a convenient *revelation* that Christianity was perfect. So if Christians all believe and support the statement that Christianity is perfect, then they also support the engendered human rights atrocities committed by Christians on a daily basis around the globe. I challenged this liar to show where there has been a world wide Christian terrorist movement, he slithered away I won the right to refer to him as lying scum. I challenged him to show where Christ advocated mass murder, once again in true fashion he slithered away like the lying scum troll he is .

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  A link that goes no where?  How unusual for you, Moses, hey?

Until you produce evidence that I have "knowingly told an untruth", you are barking at the moon.   Run along, I hear the Pastor calling you back to Sunday School.  He wants to use you again, it seems.   How typical, hey of Christian Clergy to want to use children for their pleasure.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 8:49am:

Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:31pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 7:10pm: moses wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 6:25pm: brian ross is a deliberate liar on this debate site Gandalf. And you are deliberately racist and engage in blatant hatemongering - which I find personally offensive... but I don't personally attack you. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTpkdGHWoAAjcDb.jpg If you actually thought about what I said Frank, you'll see that I was making exactly the same point Fry makes. That I am not using my being offended as some license to engage in ad hominem's or anything else. As opposed to moses who seems to be saying 'because Brian lies, and since lying offends me - therefore I have a license to personally abuse Brian'. You of course abuse Brian in every single reply to him. What is your excuse?

I am trying to make him say he is 'offended' so then I can send him the Fry meme and laugh at him.  What did you think??

(don't need an apostrophe for plurals. Typo, I know but if Bwian had spotted it you would have copped some eye rolling as well. Lucky you.)

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 7:34pm:

That's a cop-out, and you've ignored the rest of my post. I'll assume then that you're not interested in discussing solutions how to stop the attacks I provided a link, seems you ignored that as well, it was the "Religion of Islam.com" https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/core-values-of-islam/

Firstly, if you really want to engage constructively and civilly with me on real solutions, I suggest you don't be deliberately insulting by saying that we all start our children't Islamic education by showing them youtube videos of killings. That sort of thing tends to put a dampener on any goodwill that might have existed.

Secondly, the link you gave me put those so called "core Islamic values" way down the page below far more important things that I tried to point out, under the heading "Core of Islamic Law". Clearly they were referring to values related to actual laws of an actual government within a theoretical Islamic state. Very different to the core of Islamic beliefs that are taught to all muslims, irrespective of whether they are under an actual Islamic state or not.



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Here's a good solution for potential attackers, would you support this, or would you oppose it? .... Citizenship crackdown on Aussie extremists 5:23pm Nov 22, 2018 Australian-born terrorists could soon be stripped of their citizenship and kicked out of the country far more easily, under sweeping new powers to be debated in parliament before Christmas. https://www.9news.com.au/2018/11/22/09/57/aussie-extremists-could-lose-citizenship Prime Minister Scott Morrison will introduce new laws within weeks aimed at revoking citizenship from dual nationals convicted of terror offences, regardless of the length of their sentence.

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Its a little difficult to "oppose" the idea of ridding our nation of dangerous terrorists. However this is not a solution at all, its crass politicking designed only to win votes and which has about zero practical value.

Presumably the idea behind it is once they are stripped of Aussie citizenship, they can then be deported. But think about it, do you think thats actually going to happen? For this to be possible you need to things - 1. they have to be eligible for residency in another country - and no having dual citizenship doesn't necessarily make this so. And 2. That country has to accept them in even if they are eligible. And what do you think the chances of another country allowing convicted terrorists to live there? Would we do it? Hi Australia, this is Lebanon - there's this guy trying to blow up everything here - he was dual Lebanese/Australian citizen, but he's no longer Lebanese, you know, because terrorists are not welcome here...  so if you wouldn't mind letting him live there thanks... - I'm pretty sure you would be leading the howl of outrage against such a proposal yes?

So.. we strip them of citizenship, and its a pretty safe bet most of them won't be accepted into any other country. What then? There are two options left: 1. we keep them on the streets or put them in Aussie gaols - if so, what is the point of removing their citizenship? Nothing. or 2. we put them in permanent immigration detention - expensive, but more importantly legally questionable. You then have to consider the vulnerability such a regime has to legal challenge, and with that the very real risk that they will be released at any time.

Finally, another thought just occurred to me: Morrison says this applies to convicted terrorists right? Wait, aren't these guys sent to gaol? Whats the point then? They can no longer vote?

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28^th, 2018 at 3:31pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 27th, 2018 at 7:34pm: That's a cop-out, and you've ignored the rest of my post. I'll assume then that you're not interested in discussing solutions how to stop the attacks I provided a link, seems you ignored that as well, it was the "Religion of Islam.com" https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/core-values-of-islam/ Firstly, if you really want to engage constructively and civilly with me on real solutions, I suggest you don't be deliberately insulting by saying that we all start our children't Islamic education by showing them youtube videos of killings. That sort of thing tends to put a dampener on any goodwill that might have existed. Secondly, the link you gave me put those so called "core Islamic values" way down the page below far more important things that I tried to point out, under the heading "Core of Islamic Law". Clearly they were referring to values related to actual laws of an actual government within a theoretical Islamic state. Very different to the core of Islamic beliefs that are taught to all muslims, irrespective of whether they are under an actual Islamic state or not. Quote: Here's a good solution for potential attackers, would you support this, or would you oppose it? .... Citizenship crackdown on Aussie extremists 5:23pm Nov 22, 2018 Australian-born terrorists could soon be stripped of their citizenship and kicked out of the country far more easily, under sweeping new powers to be debated in parliament before Christmas. https://www.9news.com.au/2018/11/22/09/57/aussie-extremists-could-lose-citizenship Prime Minister Scott Morrison will introduce new laws within weeks aimed at revoking citizenship from dual nationals convicted of terror offences, regardless of the length of their sentence.

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Morrison's comment was aimed at dual citizens. If they have Lebanese citizenship it's illegal for Lebanon not to take them back. When they lose oz citizenship they lose the dole and facing indefinite offshore detention they will be forced back.

;D

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28^th, 2018 at 3:31pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 27th, 2018 at 7:34pm: That's a cop-out, and you've ignored the rest of my post. I'll assume then that you're not interested in discussing solutions how to stop the attacks I provided a link, seems you ignored that as well, it was the "Religion of Islam.com" https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/core-values-of-islam/ Firstly, if you really want to engage constructively and civilly with me on real solutions, I suggest you don't be deliberately insulting by saying that we all start our children't Islamic education by showing them youtube videos of killings. That sort of thing tends to put a dampener on any goodwill that might have existed. Secondly, the link you gave me put those so called "core Islamic values" way down the page below far more important things that I tried to point out, under the heading "Core of Islamic Law". Clearly they were referring to values related to actual laws of an actual government within a theoretical Islamic state. Very different to the core of Islamic beliefs that are taught to all muslims, irrespective of whether they are under an actual Islamic state or not. Quote: Here's a good solution for potential attackers, would you support this, or would you oppose it? .... Citizenship crackdown on Aussie extremists 5:23pm Nov 22, 2018 Australian-born terrorists could soon be stripped of their citizenship and kicked out of the country far more easily, under sweeping new powers to be debated in parliament before Christmas. https://www.9news.com.au/2018/11/22/09/57/aussie-extremists-could-lose-citizenship Prime Minister Scott Morrison will introduce new laws within weeks aimed at revoking citizenship from dual nationals convicted of terror offences, regardless of the length of their sentence.

Its a little difficult to "oppose" the idea of ridding our nation of dangerous terrorists. However this is not a solution at all, its crass politicking designed only to win votes and which has about zero practical value.

Presumably the idea behind it is once they are stripped of Aussie citizenship, they can then be deported. But think about it, do you think thats actually going to happen? For this to be possible you need to things - 1. they have to be eligible for residency in another country - and no having dual citizenship doesn't necessarily make this so. And 2. That country has to accept them in even if they are eligible. And what do you think the chances of another country allowing convicted terrorists to live there? Would we do it? Hi Australia, this is Lebanon - there's this guy trying to blow up everything here - he was dual Lebanese/Australian citizen, but he's no longer Lebanese, you know, because terrorists are not welcome here...  so if you wouldn't mind letting him live there thanks... - I'm pretty sure you would be leading the howl of outrage against such a proposal yes?

So.. we strip them of citizenship, and its a pretty safe bet most of them won't be accepted into any other country. What then? There are two options left: 1. we keep them on the streets or put them in Aussie gaols - if so, what is the point of removing their citizenship? Nothing. or 2. we put them in permanent immigration detention - expensive, but more importantly legally questionable. You then have to consider the vulnerability such a regime has to legal challenge, and with that the very real risk that they will be released at any time.

Finally, another thought just occurred to me: Morrison says this applies to convicted terrorists right? Wait, aren't these guys sent to gaol? Whats the point then? They can no longer vote?
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Islamic State will take them.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28^th, 2018 at 3:31pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 27th, 2018 at 7:34pm: That's a cop-out, and you've ignored the rest of my post. I'll assume then that you're not interested in discussing solutions how to stop the attacks I provided a link, seems you ignored that as well, it was the "Religion of Islam.com" https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10256/core-values-of-islam/ Firstly, if you really want to engage constructively and civilly with me on real solutions, I suggest you don't be deliberately insulting by saying that we all start our children't Islamic education by showing them youtube videos of killings. That sort of thing tends to put a dampener on any goodwill that might have existed. Secondly, the link you gave me put those so called "core Islamic values" way down the page below far more important things that I tried to point out, under the heading "Core of Islamic Law". Clearly they were referring to values related to actual laws of an actual government within a theoretical Islamic state. Very different to the core of Islamic beliefs that are taught to all muslims, irrespective of whether they are under an actual Islamic state or not. Quote: Here's a good solution for potential attackers, would you support this, or would you oppose it? .... Citizenship crackdown on Aussie extremists 5:23pm Nov 22, 2018 Australian-born terrorists could soon be stripped of their citizenship and kicked out of the country far more easily, under sweeping new powers to be debated in parliament before Christmas. https://www.9news.com.au/2018/11/22/09/57/aussie-extremists-could-lose-citizenship Prime Minister Scott Morrison will introduce new laws within weeks aimed at revoking citizenship from dual nationals convicted of terror offences, regardless of the length of their sentence.

Its a little difficult to "oppose" the idea of ridding our nation of dangerous terrorists. However this is not a solution at all, its crass politicking designed only to win votes and which has about zero practical value.

Presumably the idea behind it is once they are stripped of Aussie citizenship, they can then be deported. But think about it, do you think thats actually going to happen? For this to be possible you need to things - 1. they have to be eligible for residency in another country - and no having dual citizenship doesn't necessarily make this so. And 2. That country has to accept them in even if they are eligible. And what do you think the chances of another country allowing convicted terrorists to live there? Would we do it? Hi Australia, this is Lebanon - there's this guy trying to blow up everything here - he was dual Lebanese/Australian citizen, but he's no longer Lebanese, you know, because terrorists are not welcome here...  so if you wouldn't mind letting him live there thanks... - I'm pretty sure you would be leading the howl of outrage against such a proposal yes?

So.. we strip them of citizenship, and its a pretty safe bet most of them won't be accepted into any other country. What then? There are two options left: 1. we keep them on the streets or put them in Aussie gaols - if so, what is the point of removing their citizenship? Nothing. or 2. we put them in permanent immigration detention - expensive, but more importantly legally questionable. You then have to consider the vulnerability such a regime has to legal challenge, and with that the very real risk that they will be released at any time.

Finally, another thought just occurred to me: Morrison says this applies to convicted terrorists right? Wait, aren't these guys sent to gaol? Whats the point then? They can no longer vote?
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The sentiment is to get rid of the toxic Islamist bastards.

Your sentiment and instinct is to hang on to them as long as possible and by any means possible.  You are the voice of not getting rid of the toxic bastards. That's why you are an untrustworthy Islamist. You are on their side, on the side of the revolting Muslims against the West. You are not on the West's side because you identify with the jihadists much, much more than with the victims of the jihadists.

You are cowardly, duplicitous, untrustworthy.  Typical Muslim 'progressive. You are of another word, of another value system.

Frank wrote on Dec 1^st, 2018 at 8:02pm:

The sentiment is to get rid of the toxic Islamist bastards. Your sentiment and instinct is to hang on to them as long as possible and by any means possible.  You are the voice of not getting rid of the toxic bastards. That's why you are an untrustworthy Islamist. You are on their side, on the side of the revolting Muslims against the West. You are not on the West's side because you identify with the jihadists much, much more than with the victims of the jihadists.

thats just meaningless ranting Frank that addresses precisely nothing.

Like I said, no sane person could oppose the idea of getting rid of convicted criminals who pose a terrorist threat. But what can actually be done in practice? I gave considered arguments for why stripping citizenship is pretty useless in terms of making our streets safer. If you can offer a reasonable refutation to them, then I'd be interested to hear them.

Punish all who were aware of the bastards but did not report them. You can't be a jihadist in isolation. They have families, friends, co-religionists at the same mosques. Muslim communities are tightly knit, watching each other and knowing about each other.

Pretending that they are somehow cosmopolitan individualists and islands unrelated to other Muslims is a fantastic lie.

Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 5:31pm:

Punish

elaborate please?

And this time don't answer by ranting on about how guilty they are, but rather try and offer a practical solution vis the deportation proposal and the challenges to that I have pointed out before.

Punish them as traitors and enablers of traitors. That is what they are.  Throw them all out if they are foreign citizens, strip them of citizenship if they are not born here, strip them of rights and jail them if they are citizens.

Muslims have gotten away with jihad and disloyalty for far too long. Make jihad a treasonous crime and treat all who participate or enable it as traitors. Execute convicted jihadists. Execute their handlers. They want to kill us. The least we can do is apply their own standards to them.

Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

The least we can do is apply their own standards to them.

Because we're morally superior to them?