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Member Run Boards >> Islam >> no moslem can be considered to be a good person http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555 Message started by Yadda on Aug 21st, 2018 at 3:49pm |
Title: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by Yadda on Aug 21st, 2018 at 3:49pm A moslem can be a very 'personable' person, as an individual. ....but so can any 'conman' and liar! Anyone who believes that a moslem can be a good person [in 'relation' [a relationship] to someone who is not a moslem], doesn't understand, what ISLAM is, nor what ISLAM teaches. The hatred AT THE VERY HEART of ISLAM calls upon all of the followers of ISLAM to work towards destroying [killing] disbelievers and destroying every society which is not ruled by ISLAMIC law. That is a shocking claim, to many. But if you are prepared to study [with a questioning and honest mind] what ISLAM's law and tenets and doctrines teach, that claim is easily substantiated [to any reasonable person]. QUESTION; Can a moslem be a good person [if we make that judgment against 'Western' civil laws and values] ? ARGUMENT; A moslem can be a 'good person', as much as any person can be a good person.... who is a follower and an advocate of a philosophy which promotes the use of lying, political violence, and murder, as legitimate means of seeking political dominance in a society. ....i.e. as 'lawful' means, of terrorising your enemy. e.g. Committing rape, stealing, intimidation, threatening violence, robbery, murder, are all halal ['kosher'] and lawful, to the moslem. Because all of these SERIOUS CRIMES [by our laws], are all made lawful by ISLAMIC law, and justified by ISLAMIC law, so long as the victim of these crimes is NOT a moslem. Who is [what is the character, of] the person who say's; "I'm a follower of ISLAM." ??? Google; Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim "There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah." A moslem is a person, who is choosing to associate himself with a philosophy which promotes lying and political violence and murder [i.e. terrorism] as a legitimate means of imposing ISLAMIC laws and values, upon those who are not moslems. And, a moslem is a person, who is choosing to associate himself with a philosophy, whose members revere a person [Mohammed, ISLAM's founder] who was a most detestable warlord [and a torturer], and a murderer himself [and who promoted political violence and murder, himself]. . IN MY OPINION; There is no moslem who can be considered to be a 'good person' [judged against 'Western' civil laws and values]. But if that is so, ....who then, is the moslem ? The moslem, is a person in the enthrall of ISLAM. The moslem, is follower of ISLAM. The fulfilling of, and the empowering of, the doctrines and tenets and laws of ISLAM, will always remain the central focus of his being, and of his life. . The moslem, is a person in the enthrall of ISLAM. ------- > IMAGE.... "Behead all those who insult the Prophet" The result of children, being under the influence of 'Aussie' moslems - Sydney, 2012 MORE..... IMAGE.... "Whoever insults a Prophet, KILL HIM!" Moslems resident in the UK, teaching their children, the 'true path'. THE RESULTANT ADULT [exemplar] -------- > IMAGE.... "Behead those who insult ISLAM" Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012. Here in Australia too, .....many moslem children are going to grow up, into devout adult 'Aussie' JIHADI moslems. Many moslem children, in Australia, BEING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THEIR MOSLEM PARENTS, are going to grow up, into devout adult 'Aussie' moslems, who BELIEVE, that slitting the throat of a filthy infidel is "as meaningless as two goats butting heads" [Google that phrase!]..... --------- > QUESTION; AND WHERE DO THESE VICIOUS AND MURDEROUS 'IDEAS', WHICH MOSLEMS HOLD, COME FROM ??? ANSWER; FROM THE DIRECT INFLUENCE, OF THE MAINSTREAM DOCTRINES AND TENETS AND LAWS, OF ISLAM. . Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14 Quote:
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Title: Re: no moslem who can be considered to be a good perso Post by Yadda on Aug 21st, 2018 at 3:49pm Yadda said..... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8 Quote:
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Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by xeej on Aug 21st, 2018 at 4:00pm
The images speak for themselves.
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Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by Yadda on Aug 21st, 2018 at 4:15pm Johnnie wrote on Aug 21st, 2018 at 4:00pm:
Indeed. The sometimes private and unguarded words, and the sometimes open and public behaviour, of the moslem himself, speaks to his character, and to the 'merit' of that [his 'religion'], which is his inspiration. The law and tenets and doctrines of, ISLAM. ------ > IMAGE... THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST, 2006, IN LONDON READ..... "Slay those who insult Islam" "Behead those who insult Islam" "Massacre those who insult Islam" "Butcher those who mock Islam" "Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way" "Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way" "Exterminate those who slander Islam" "Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer" "Islam will dominate the world" "Freedom go to hell" "Europe take some lessons from 9/11" "Be prepared for the real Holocaust" "BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders" |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by Yadda on Aug 28th, 2018 at 4:01pm Moslem "...is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt." ....a sign of betrayal, treason, and treachery. The word 'infidelity' is inexorably associated with the act of betrayal. Dictionary; betray = = act treacherously towards (one’s country) by aiding the enemy. be disloyal to. These moslems, betrayed Australia, they betrayed the country where they lived, they betrayed the country which nurtured and nourished both themselves, and their families, and their community. And the pinnacle of their combined desire, as moslems, it must be presumed, was to harm Australia and to harm as many fellow Australians as they were able to. QUESTION; Why did Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar and his co-conspirators choose to go to the mosque, to source the revolver which Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar used, to murder Curtis Cheng ? Why didn't these co-conspirators simply meet in a public park, or some small cafe, or in a pizza bar ? Didn't these moslems care, that their mosque, and thereby their 'faith', would be implicated in what followed ? ------- > IMAGE... Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar outside Parramatta police headquarters QUESTION; What 'set off' Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar on that fateful day, to decide to murder Australian Curtis Cheng in Parramatta, NSW ??? ANSWER; ONLY ALLAH KNOWS! n.b. ISLAMIC culture encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng. Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was inspired by ISLAM's imperative, which urged him TO KILL THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH. . IMAGE.... 'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, doing 'good works' in Syria/Iraq. Quote:
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by issuevoter on Aug 28th, 2018 at 4:57pm
It depends on how a person is designated. To be a Muzlim, one has to believe Mohamed was the messenger of God, and the Koran is the word of God. I am sure there are those who have not given it any serious thought, and go along with the Muzlim designation due a kind of cultural allegiance which is more about tribalism, but that does not actually make them Muzlims. If they believe the Koran is the word of God, they join a long list of cretinous lowbrows who are not prepared to think for themselves. Just like Global Warming denialists.
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Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by gandalf on Aug 31st, 2018 at 11:29am
issue, and Yadda for that matter too...
If we were to meet in real life and you actually got to know me, I'm fairly confident you would reject as utterly absurd the idea that I am a "cretinous lowbrow" who "doesn't think for themselves", or in any way a "bad person". Just sayyin :) |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by Yadda on Aug 31st, 2018 at 12:28pm polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31st, 2018 at 11:29am:
gandalf, You are a moslem, .....a person who is, a follower of ISLAM. You are a person who is aware, of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are, and what those tenets require of you. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534424949/7#7 You are a person who is aware of your personal obligation, to the very real strictures of Allah's religion. just sayin. . Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1 Quote:
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Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by gandalf on Aug 31st, 2018 at 12:38pm
key difference: I don't agree to give aid and comfort to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs.
But you've been told that before, so I'll just leave it there. |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by freediver on Aug 31st, 2018 at 12:48pm polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31st, 2018 at 11:29am:
What if they asked you about mindless collectives of treacherous Jews? |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by Yadda on Aug 31st, 2018 at 12:50pm @ Reply #8, NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM..... ------- > THE HADITH.... "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD. hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 . NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM..... ------- > ISLAMIC LAW TEXT.... "Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) " fiqhussunnah/fus1_06 NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM..... ------- > ISLAMIC LAW TEXT.... "Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...." fiqhussunnah/#3.110 n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled." ......ACCORDING TO gandalf ??? Or just, nothing to do with gandalf - the moslem ? |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by gandalf on Aug 31st, 2018 at 1:38pm freediver wrote on Aug 31st, 2018 at 12:48pm:
Depends if your talking about what I've actually said on the topic, or the words you have shoved into my mouth. Still, I find it hard to believe that someone would judge me as a "cretinous lowbrow" based on my musings of what 7th century arab culture was like. Of course, if you could somehow extrapolate those musings into some sinister meme about me being a rabid nazi anti-semite who thinks its fine to slaughter jews for being jews - then thats obviously a very different matter. |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by Yadda on Aug 31st, 2018 at 11:05pm @ Reply #8, When we see ISLAMIC inspired violence in the world, everyday, moslems living in the West, insist, and would have you believe; that ISLAM has got nothing to do with ISLAM..... That is total BS. ------- > THE HADITH.... "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD. hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418244166/15#15 Quote:
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Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by freediver on Sep 1st, 2018 at 1:05am polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31st, 2018 at 1:38pm:
Plenty of Nazis were also very personable people Gandalf. They kissed their wife and children goodbye in the morning then went off to herd the Jews into the gas chambers. They would have no doubt also taken offence at the suggestion there was something wrong with them. |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by Karnal on Sep 1st, 2018 at 11:17am freediver wrote on Sep 1st, 2018 at 1:05am:
Does G do that? Oh, how awful. Still, I'm sure it's just a phase he's going through. Remember, FD, G's one of us. Now you stop herding Jews, G, and wake up to yourself. You stand up for your own race and blame Islam. |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by gandalf on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 9:19am freediver wrote on Sep 1st, 2018 at 1:05am:
I'm struggling to see a point here FD - are you saying I'm as bad (or good) as a nazi? |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by freediver on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 7:36pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 9:19am:
You brought up Nazis in an effort to distinguish yourself from them. I was looking for the distinction. I don't think "academising" your support for genocide on the grounds that the Jews literally were a mindless collective sets you apart. |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by gandalf on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 8:24pm freediver wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 7:36pm:
No, I bought it up because its you who constantly equates me with nazis. And given this is your clear position, I was wondering out loud how someone could come to that conclusion - based on what I suggested about 7th century arab society. But what about "cretinous lowbrow" and someone who is incapable of being a "good person" - do you agree with Yadda and Issue that moslems must necessarily be these types of people? |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by Auggie on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 8:28pm freediver wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 7:36pm:
Stop copying my words and arguments. |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by freediver on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:23pm Quote:
Can you quote me? Also, can you explain your logic here? Why would you compare yourself to Nazis because I do? Quote:
I think you have it in you to be a good person Gandalf. I see your struggle. |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by gandalf on Sep 4th, 2018 at 9:42am freediver wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:23pm:
Would you go so far as to object to people like Yadda insisting that muslims can never be 'good people'? |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by Yadda on Sep 4th, 2018 at 11:52am Quote:
If you had not guessed, every one of these expressions below, have been 'turned on their head'. THESE STATEMENTS ARE BASED ON KORANIC QUOTES, THE ORIGINALS TARGET NON-MOSLEMS.... “Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims” “How perverse are Muslims!” “Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips” “Fight those Muslims who are near to you” “Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified” "Hate speech? Sounds like it to us, too... but, oddly enough, Muslims would have to disagree. (Some people don't seem to understand the point that we're making here. Try clicking on the link!)" [originally found at this site https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ ] These declarations encouraging HATRED and VIOLENCE against those who are not moslems, all have their 'genesis' within mainstream ISLAMIC scripture. . QUESTION; Confronted with truths like these; Did gandalf confess, and repent [regarding ISLAMIC inspired hatred of those who are not moslems] ? Or does gandalf simply continue to deny, and to obfuscate, rejecting any responsibility for the HATRED and VIOLENCE of non-moslems, which his 'faith' promotes ? . "ISLAM ES PAZ" IMAGE..... Everyone knows that true ISLAM, is a religion of peace. /sarc off |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by Karnal on Sep 4th, 2018 at 11:54am polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 4th, 2018 at 9:42am:
Imagine FD answering that. |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by freediver on Sep 4th, 2018 at 6:35pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 4th, 2018 at 9:42am:
I read an implicit caveat into that statement. Never say never Gandalf. |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by moses on Sep 5th, 2018 at 1:45pm
The qur'an is imbued with verses of evil intentions.
The book is venerated as being the infallible words of a god called allah.(a reinvented pagan moon god) This book motivates islamic terrorism. Support for this book, by definition means, support for the terrorism engendered. There will never be an end to unconscionable islamic torture and killings, until muslims address the evil intent in the qur'an. |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by Yadda on Sep 5th, 2018 at 9:57pm moses wrote on Sep 5th, 2018 at 1:45pm:
Exactly so, moses. Don't hold your breath though !! IMAGE..... This Adelaide, 'Aussie' moslem, Zainab Abdirahman-Khalif, 23, ....is simply the latest, latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac, inspired by her 'faith' IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID! https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/09/australia-muslima-accused-of-being-member-of-the-islamic-state#comment-1974438 . THE TRUTH [unpalatable to some] If you are a moslem, if you self-identify as moslem, you are a person who is aware, of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are, and what those tenets require of you. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534424949/7#7 You are a person who is aware of your personal obligation, to the very real strictures of Allah's religion. Google; to love and hate for the sake of allah Google; Al Wala' Wal Bara' Quote:
moses said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1515416152/25#25 . Yadda said.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1 Quote:
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Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by Karnal on Sep 5th, 2018 at 10:25pm
They don't like you people very much, G.
Please don't take it personally. Islam is not a race, you know. |
Title: Re: no moslem can be considered to be a good person Post by Yadda on Sep 6th, 2018 at 9:19am Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
That is correct K, ISLAM is not a race. ISLAM is an ideology and a philosophy, which makes lawful, and encourages, hatred and violence and murder, 1/ against those who publicly reject ISLAM, and 2/ especially against those persons who publicly express opposition to ISLAM and ISLAM's laws. It is not 'racist' to express opposition to the influence and spread of ISLAM and ISLAM's laws. ------- > http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0 THE HADITH.... "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD. hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 |
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