It is not possible to counter militant moslems, who live among us [with what is, the current 'determined' response which our societies are bringing].



It is not realistic to imagine that we [the non-moslem host community] can contain and 'manage' the behaviour of the increasingly profuse and rampant moslem community which lives closely among us.

And, imo, it is fateful, to imagine that we should maintain such a view.

And yet, that is the 'Politically Correct' view which prevails in all Western nations today!




ISLAM.

PROPOSITION;

In terms of ISLAM being an alien 'disease' or 'contagion';

QUESTION;
In any natural setting, what will be the likely consequence for a community of people, when that community is the willing [but naive] host of a disease or contagion, which is clearly hostile to that host community ?

What will be the likely consequence, when that community is willing to host [and to naively facilitate] the spread of that hostile disease or contagion, within its own 'body' ?

IN NATURE, it would not be realistic, for a community of people to be the willing host of a hostile and destructive disease or contagion, and for us to not expect an adverse consequence.

It is just un-realistic.

In the absence of some change or intervention, there will be an adverse consequence, and the consequence will be, ultimately, very severe.





PROPOSITION;

ISLAM, is a hostile entity [to our 'society'].

And yet, in our [irrational!] "tolerance" towards moslems and ISLAM, we have decided to allow, gradually increasing numbers of that hostile entity [ISLAM], to live among us!

And on a practical level [because of what will soon be the exponential growth, in the need for resources and personel, which would be needed, to be available to police and our security sevices, to counter the threat coming from the growing number of moslem militants 'near' us];

It is going to be increasingly [absolutely] impossible for many Western nations, to effectively counter or to prevent, increasing numbers of incidents of political violence, which the moslem militants who are living among us, are going to want to perpetrate.

And further, it is simply un-realistic for us [the non-moslem host community] to make appeals to the 'good nature' of the moslem community [who are living among us], and to expect any meaningful or sincere help or assistance, to be forthcoming from them.

Why so ?

Because almost all of the cultural values and cultural tenets and ISLAMIC laws, that are endorsed and spread by ISLAM [and by guest moslem communities] are [clearly!] antithetical to many of the values and mores, of the nations which are hosts, to ISLAMIC communities.


Dictionary;
antithetical = = mutually incompatible.

e.g.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434436348/85#85




FINALLY;
And yet, despite the circumstances [and the threats!] which face all Western nations face today,      it seems that there is only a small minority of the people who are living in Western nations,      that are willing to confront, what is the disturbing truth, about the nature and character of ISLAM [...and, the 'veiled' and denied, but undeniable nature and character and intent, of the moslems who live among us]!

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


All Western nations today, imo, are set upon a self destructive path,     a path of self consuming, and destructive, social division, lawlessness, and violence.


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda

Dictionary,
malice aforethought = = the intention to kill or harm, held to distinguish unlawful killing from murder.


CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0





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Isaiah 28:15
Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:


Isaiah 28:18
And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.


Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.




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"When truth cannot make itself known in words, it will make itself known in deeds."
- Roger Scruton


"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
- George Orwell


There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to  keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation.
- Herbert Spencer

Dude..... so much fear.

Unless you are a moslem scholar its easy to misinterpret parts of the Koran (obviously you read the Quran as part of your research into Islam to enable you to form a first hand opinion of the religion)
I'm not scholar of islam but after reading of the quran(challenging) I really struggled to find anything to get excited about in it. Similar level of crazy as the bible really  :D

Religion aside Extremism can only be fought through economic and social equalization.  It relies on individuals being segregated and discriminated against for grass roots support and a steady supply of foot soldiers.

In my short lifetime I have seen extremism embraced by many causes, ethnic(Tamils), political(FARC), criminal (Sina Loa) and religious(ok, islam gets the points here:)

The only unifying factor between these movements is a disparity between their intent to apply power and their ability to apply power.

Terrorism or psychological warfare(as it should be termed) attempts to leverage acts with minimal practical impact into acts which create real political or social change through the human fear mechanism.

your are 16 times more likely to die falling out of bed than of being killed by a terrorist


your are 8 times more likely to die falling off a ladder than of being killed by a terrorist


your are 4 times more likely to die gastro than of being killed by a terrorist.

If you started jumping up and down about how much danger we would be in if we slept on a bed, climbed a ladder or had a snack I would say you should get over it, get some perspective and do something usefull with your spare time.

Since your banging on about terrorism even that seems too generous.
    
      

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

Dude..... so much fear. Unless you are a moslem scholar its easy to misinterpret parts of the Koran (obviously you read the Quran as part of your research into Islam to enable you to form a first hand opinion of the religion) I'm not scholar of islam but after reading of the quran(challenging) I really struggled to find anything to get excited about in it. Similar level of crazy as the bible really  :D Religion aside Extremism can only be fought through economic and social equalization.  It relies on individuals being segregated and discriminated against for grass roots support and a steady supply of foot soldiers. In my short lifetime I have seen extremism embraced by many causes, ethnic(Tamils), political(FARC), criminal (Sina Loa) and religious(ok, islam gets the points here:) The only unifying factor between these movements is a disparity between their intent to apply power and their ability to apply power. Terrorism or psychological warfare(as it should be termed) attempts to leverage acts with minimal practical impact into acts which create real political or social change through the human fear mechanism. your are 16 times more likely to die falling out of bed than of being killed by a terrorist your are 8 times more likely to die falling off a ladder than of being killed by a terrorist your are 4 times more likely to die gastro than of being killed by a terrorist. If you started jumping up and down about how much danger we would be in if we slept on a bed, climbed a ladder or had a snack I would say you should get over it, get some perspective and do something usefull with your spare time. Since your banging on about terrorism even that seems too generous.

LOL Rubbish, just go read any islamic resource on the internet , translated by so called scholars. The difference with islam is it actually promotes terrorist acts via the quran and violence to present day muslims. No wonder no one ever refutes the scriptures the extremists use. We wouldn't want to upset fictitious allah and mohammed now would we.

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

Dude..... so much fear. Unless you are a moslem scholar its easy to misinterpret parts of the Koran (obviously you read the Quran as part of your research into Islam to enable you to form a first hand opinion of the religion) I'm not scholar of islam but after reading of the quran(challenging) I really struggled to find anything to get excited about in it. Similar level of crazy as the bible really  :D Religion aside Extremism can only be fought through economic and social equalization.  It relies on individuals being segregated and discriminated against for grass roots support and a steady supply of foot soldiers. In my short lifetime I have seen extremism embraced by many causes, ethnic(Tamils), political(FARC), criminal (Sina Loa) and religious(ok, islam gets the points here:) The only unifying factor between these movements is a disparity between their intent to apply power and their ability to apply power. Terrorism or psychological warfare(as it should be termed) attempts to leverage acts with minimal practical impact into acts which create real political or social change through the human fear mechanism. your are 16 times more likely to die falling out of bed than of being killed by a terrorist your are 8 times more likely to die falling off a ladder than of being killed by a terrorist your are 4 times more likely to die gastro than of being killed by a terrorist. If you started jumping up and down about how much danger we would be in if we slept on a bed, climbed a ladder or had a snack I would say you should get over it, get some perspective and do something usefull with your spare time. Since your banging on about terrorism even that seems too generous.

Excellent post.

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

Dude..... so much fear. Unless you are a moslem scholar its easy to misinterpret parts of the Koran (obviously you read the Quran as part of your research into Islam to enable you to form a first hand opinion of the religion) I'm not scholar of islam but after reading of the quran(challenging) I really struggled to find anything to get excited about in it. Similar level of crazy as the bible really  :D Religion aside Extremism can only be fought through economic and social equalization. It relies on individuals being segregated and discriminated against for grass roots support and a steady supply of foot soldiers. yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda,...... et al

Yadda paraphrases;

If we simply 1/ make everyone equal, 2/ and give everyone equal resources, 3/ and give everyone equal opportunities, we will create a utopia!

And it will be a place where there will be no extremism or crime.

Honest!




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Yadda says.......

Grow up.

Go out and get a real job, you university educated bum.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 14th, 2015 at 8:19pm: Dude..... so much fear. Unless you are a moslem scholar its easy to misinterpret parts of the Koran (obviously you read the Quran as part of your research into Islam to enable you to form a first hand opinion of the religion) I'm not scholar of islam but after reading of the quran(challenging) I really struggled to find anything to get excited about in it. Similar level of crazy as the bible really  :D Religion aside Extremism can only be fought through economic and social equalization.  It relies on individuals being segregated and discriminated against for grass roots support and a steady supply of foot soldiers. In my short lifetime I have seen extremism embraced by many causes, ethnic(Tamils), political(FARC), criminal (Sina Loa) and religious(ok, islam gets the points here:) The only unifying factor between these movements is a disparity between their intent to apply power and their ability to apply power. Terrorism or psychological warfare(as it should be termed) attempts to leverage acts with minimal practical impact into acts which create real political or social change through the human fear mechanism. your are 16 times more likely to die falling out of bed than of being killed by a terrorist your are 8 times more likely to die falling off a ladder than of being killed by a terrorist your are 4 times more likely to die gastro than of being killed by a terrorist. If you started jumping up and down about how much danger we would be in if we slept on a bed, climbed a ladder or had a snack I would say you should get over it, get some perspective and do something usefull with your spare time. Since your banging on about terrorism even that seems too generous.             LOL Rubbish, just go read any islamic resource on the internet , translated by so called scholars. The difference with islam is it actually promotes terrorist acts via the quran and violence to present day muslims. No wonder no one ever refutes the scriptures the extremists use. We wouldn't want to upset fictitious allah and mohammed now would we.

As stated in my post I derive my opinions of Islam from my personal interpretation of their dogma and my personal interactions with moslems.

If you base your opinions only on other peoples opinions of a subject and not the actual subject I don't see how you can contribute anything fresh to a discussion.

The original theme of this post was the impossibility of countering a purported rise of Islamic extremism in Australia.

Personally I think that fighting extremism is almost a self fulfilling prophecy. The harder you try to suppress it the more you feed the social forces that it grows from.
The pragmatic solution is to ignore it. Just accept that .005% of people are going to find something somewhere to go nuts about and kill people for. And when they do you don't spend billions of dollars trying to stop them. Its way cheaper, easier and more people get to live longer.

All Moslem read the same Quran, the vast majority live lives fundamentally identical to your own, and don't become extremists. These are not opinions. These are facts.
If someone shows me actual evidence all these militant moslems in Australia I will change my opinion. One training camp. One armored vehicle. Hell, 5 guys with assault rifles.

The most militant thing I know a Moslem in Australia has done is go away to fight somewhere else. Not cool but sorta shows that their isn't much in the way of militant Islam internally otherwise they would be linking up and fighting here.   

p.s Dropped out of school year ten, have been running my own business since. 16 years. industrial automation.

Pho, the problem with the Islamophobes on this forum is they take absolutely everything the Quran seriously and as testament that ALL Muslims are latent terrorists. Want to behead us all and think all gays should be executed and that kind of thing. None of them have ever met an actual Muslim.

When asked to quantify the less than humanitarian aspects of the Bible, they go eerily quiet.

Or heaven forfend you bring up the Torah. You'll be labelled an anti-semite and they'll be awaaaaayyyyy.

What we are dealing with here is extremely irrational thought. I wish you the best of luck being rational amongst it. I have tried. Others have tried. The Islamophobes are seriously committed and not even remotely willing to listen to reason.

I look forward to your future posts though. Nice to have you on board.

What muslims on this board support beheadings?

wally1 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:44am:

What muslims on this board support beheadings?

That is like asking;
Which moslems on this board, are moslems ?

ANSWER;
All of them!



wally1,

If a person self-declares as a moslem,
.....and if he insists that he is a moslem,
....isn't he a,
....moslem ?

????


So, tell me, what is the definition of a; moslem ?

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418244166/15#15

Quote:

You mean that we [infidels, on OzPol] are guilty of 'stereotyping' members of the Australian mainstream moslem community!!!! Shock horror!!!! Fancy having the gall to associate moslems,     .......with,      .....moslems! Fancy having the gall to associate moslems,     .......with,      .....ISLAM [and with ISLAM's laws and tenets] ! Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. Google; Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

wally1 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:44am:

What muslims on this board support beheadings?

That is like asking;
Which moslems on this board, are moslems ?

ANSWER;
All of them!



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"ISLAM is peace. ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."
- wally1, et al.


Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434192153/1#1

Quote:

Moslems don't change. It is only our opinion of them, which can change. FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL, MOSLEMS.

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All moslems who are resident in host nations, are like flags in the political wind....

When the political wind changes to favour the moslem, EVERY moslem will become a slaughterer of his non-moslem 'friends'.

Experience in the world, shows this to be true,     TIME AND TIME AGAIN.



FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL, MOSLEMS.


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When (and Why) Good Muslim Neighbors Turn Bad
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1436584284/0#0

Quote:

Days ago, after the Islamic State [IS] entered the Syrian city of Hassakè, prompting a mass exodus of Christians, a familiar but often overlooked scene, took place: many otherwise "normal" Muslims joined ranks with IS, instantly turning on their longtime Christian neighbors. ..... ..... Muslims who appear "moderate" but who are merely waiting for circumstances to turn to Islam's advantage before they join the jihad; Muslims who are waiting for the rewards of jihad to become greater than the risks. .... .... The (non-Iraqi) jihadists [in Syria and Iraq] were Afghans, Bosnians, Arabs and even Americans and British fighters.... But the worst killings came from the people living among us, our (Sunni) Muslim neighbours.... .... ....

Yadda, I must admit im impressed by how passionate you are. what are your personnel experiences that have led you to these opinions?   

And please do my the courtesy of responding to my question, not paraphrasing it like the previous post and then ignoring it. Otherwise I might start to think that you were here pushing an agenda while remaining willfully ignorant as opposed to seeking comprehension of a complex subject.

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

Yadda, I must admit im impressed by how passionate you are. what are your personnel experiences that have led you to these opinions?

We live in an age of man when the majority of mankind hate truth [whenever a truth offends their own worldview or whenever a truth endangers their worldly pleasures/comforts], imo.

Such a position [by a majority of mankind] is both irrational and dangerous to the things which the majority of mankind claim to care about;      ...truth, equality, justice, peace, prosperity.


ISLAM as a philosophy promotes barefaced lying and falsehood, hatred [of those not in the moslem 'camp'], intimidation, violence, murder, political tyranny, terrorism, as all legitimate paths to persure the political agenda of the moslem.


'what are your personnel experiences that have led you to these opinions?'

I have seen too much injustice [justified and empowered by the careless abandonment of truth, by men who should have known better].



I hate it i am always saddened when people misrepresent the intent and the nature, and the character of the God that is presented in scripture.




Quote:

I'm not scholar of islam but after reading of the quran(challenging) I really struggled to find anything to get excited about in it. Similar level of crazy as the bible really

I love God [i love the spirit that is 'God'].

I love his righteousness.

I love his righteous character and nature.

I once believed that the God that is presented in scripture, was an overly harsh and perhaps cruel entity.


But i have come to believe to know that the very same God that is presented in scripture, is very, very just, AND LOVING.

We are his children.

And we are being 'proven'.





Defending the moslem, defending ISLAM, is defending the indefensible!

But men do it.

And moslems ARE NOT sorry.

Because many of us, hate truth.




Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1329870100/3#3

Quote:

Yadda wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:42pm: Hey you moslem hypocrite......; If you want us ['unbelievers'] to respect ISLAM, then point to the virtuous example of ISLAM in a Sharia ordered society in this world. +++ When anyone asks a moslem, to point to an example of a good, and just, benevolent Sharia society, a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law, today, no moslem can point to such an example. Not in all of the ISLAMIC world, is there even one example of such a society, a virtuous ISLAMIC society. The reality in the world, is quite opposite. >> Because almost all examples of ISLAMIC and Sharia guided societies in the world today, are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty.<< Even moslems don't want to live in moslem majority nations. Moslems around the world are flocking to go to live in 'hated' >>> INFIDEL <<< Western nations. Why ? Because many moslems >> KNOW << that moslem majority nations..... ".....are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty."

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1325509487/1#1

Quote:

In every instance where ISLAM has a primary cultural influence upon a society of people, in instances where moslems are in authority in that society, and are behaving badly, violently, corruptly, those persons [i.e. moslems], refuse to accept responsibility for the consequences of their own governance/choices. Within moslem societies [i.e. where ISLAM has a primary cultural influence], when everything turns to sh!t for them, moslems [as a society] refuse to accept responsibility for their own poor [violent, corrupt] governance, of their own political affairs. Q. Why so? A. Because those societies and people are spiritually corrupted, are being guided by something other than God.

Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Isaiah 1:2
Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.


Jeremiah 4:22
For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

Yadda, I must admit im impressed by how passionate you are. what are your personnel experiences that have led you to these opinions?    And please do my the courtesy of responding to my question, not paraphrasing it like the previous post and then ignoring it. Otherwise I might start to think that you were here pushing an agenda while remaining willfully ignorant as opposed to seeking comprehension of a complex subject.

I dont think Yadda has personal experience. Just reading the Bible.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 15th, 2015 at 12:34pm: Yadda, I must admit im impressed by how passionate you are. what are your personnel experiences that have led you to these opinions?    I dont think Yadda has personal experience. Just reading the Bible.

Pastafarian,

As per usual,       you are choosing to totally ignore the influence which the contents of the Koran has upon me.       :D

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1422490128/27#27

Quote:

"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction." Koran 4.64, 65 "O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e. the clerics], and make not vain your deeds!" Koran 47:33 . And the authority which demands that moslems must reject all un-ISLAMIC ideas [not approved by ISLAMIC dictate], comes from,      .....ISLAM itself. "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them." Koran 3.28 "....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends.... ......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them." Koran 5.51 "O ye who believe! Take not - MY ENEMIES - and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..." Koran 60.1 . And these dictates of the moslem faith, EVEN HAVE CURRENCY AMONG THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY, THAT LIVES HERE, IN AUSTRALIA!!! Moslems, teach other moslems, from childhood, to have utter hatred for the un-ISLAMIC. [quote] " "You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah." ...and [these moslem children] promise to die fighting to end Democracy in Australia"

Says one of these MONSTERS.



Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA.       !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.


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Muslims brainwash children in Australia  -------- >   goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E


WATCH THE YOUTUBE, AND SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES,          HOW MOSLEM CHILDREN, LIVING IN AUSTRALIA, ARE ROUTINELY BEING TAUGHT [AS A PART OF THEIR RELIGION] BY MOSLEM ADULTS, TO HATE THEIR FELLOW AUSTRALIANS WHO ARE NOT MOSLEMS.



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A good moslem must have hatred for those who do not believe as he believes [for those who reject ISLAM].

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran  [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains]. SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ; ---------- >

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Pastafarian,

As per usual,       you are choosing to totally ignore the influence which the behaviour of the moslem has upon me, as a human being.       :D



Jihad is lawful.

Jihad is virtuous.

Jihad = = 'virtuously' murdering those who reject ISLAM

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-0-1FF53F8400000578-353_634x351.jpg

'Aussie' moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.

Just an ordinary moslem, doing 'good works', in 'the cause of Allah'.




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Examine the behaviour of the rampant [i.e. unrestrained] moslem.

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/



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IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/

OK so you misinterpret the Koran, doesnt make you any different from a fundamentalist.

Yadda, do you understand the difference between personal experience and media observation?
If you make sure that you get any first hand information on someone, don't talk to them and don't know them then your really not qualified to hold an opinion on them . doubly unqualified to try and pass your own erroneous interpretation of reality.
I didn't assume you were ignorant, I asked you a specific question about your personal experience.
I was amused when by your abandonment of truth line, especially in the context of willful ignorance.

Since you know nothing if Islam and Muslim ill get some info from you on the bible.

You say that you thought the Jehovah of the bible was   overly harsh. I presume this is referring to stories like Barabbas and the bear?
How do you reconcile the vengeful petty god of the old testament(he sends a bear to kill children as punishment for teasing a bald priest-at the priest behest) with the new testament.

Also, how do you find the chutzpah to piss out your poison while quoting a book you don't embrace about a subject you don't understand?
I havn't seen much evidence of turning the other cheek from you.   
I don't see you treating other people as you would like to be treated.
have you washed a moslems feet?

Or are you appointed judge?  you deem yourself capable of insight and wisdom while perverting the text from which you derive your authority.

You are the other side of the same coin that Muslim extremists are minted from.
It a shame you don't know any Muslim extremists, I think you would find you had alot in common. 

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

OK so you misinterpret the Koran, doesnt make you any different from a fundamentalist.

You claim that i am misrepresenting the ideals of ISLAM contained in the Koran.

I claim that you are misrepresenting the ideals of ISLAM, to those who are not moslems.

I wonder who is correct?



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"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said. "When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings, I know that my own actions are in line     with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt




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http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5814780-3x2-700x467.jpg

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."


"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."
- Mr Yunus




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Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-pakistan-and-then-the-world-we-would-like-to-do-this-by.html




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Creed of the sword Mark Durie September 23, 2006 .....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence: "The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina. God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God. This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it." Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam. .......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict: "Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125) Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only: "Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190) As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html





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Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam


Jihad is lawful.

Jihad is virtuous.

Jihad = = 'virtuously' murdering those who reject ISLAM

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-0-1FF53F8400000578-353_634x351.jpg

'Aussie' moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.

A moslem, in his preferred 'environment'.

Doing 'good works', in 'the cause of Allah'.

A MOSLEM HOMICIDAL MANIAC - 'AT HOME ON THE RANGE' WHERE THE LAWS OF ALLAH PREVAIL






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'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supporting-terrorism-whilst-Australian-husband-fights-Syria-member-brutal-militant-group.html
   - Australian moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture



Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

What I'm saying is that Muslim extremists are misinterpreting the Koran, just as you do, since you are judging the Koran on their actions.


By the same token, Id suggest you to be a Christian extremist. Which for me is assessed by belief in creation.

Yadda assumes other people interpret scripture the same way he does.
Thats why he assumes all moslems are dogma driven automatons with no ability to reason or make a choice based on personal ethics. 
Its tough for yadda to explain to us how scared we should be of a whole group of people who thinks the same way he does.
I think thats why he feels the need to support his statement with pictures and quotes from external sources-kind of like a grade 6 school project.
   

Yadda said....

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I have no respect for moslems, for anyone who declares, "I am a moslem". I have no respect for anyone who chooses to associate themselves, with the mores and laws, and the 'lawful' violence of ISLAM. ISLAM teaches moslems LAWLESSNESS [and 'lawful' violence], imo. And ISLAM teaches moslems cultural parasitism, imo. e.g. Moslems insist that they want to come to live in the West, to live in a culture which moslems will often openly declare that they despise. Yet many of those very same moslems [who despise Western culture] at the very same time, refuse to stay in their own homelands, to fight [to 'struggle'] and work for their own culture, to engage in moslem nation building, to establish the 'ISLAMIC ideal' in their own homelands. Instead, moslems come to the West, so as to make the West, like the hell holes, which moslems say they despise, fear, and have fled from.

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Yadda said....

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Aussie, Could it be possible, that 'billions of people' [i.e.moslems], actively bring themselves into disrepute ? In their tacit support of ISLAM, and their support of what ISLAM promotes in the world ? It is 'the moslem' himself, and it is their own choice, to become/remain a moslem [especially when a moslem, is resident in a secular nation like Australia! ]. [i.e. it is their 'life' choice, to support the worldview which their 'faith' promotes.     i.e. political intimidation, political violence and murder. ]

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Yadda said....

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So once more, just to be clear; 1/ Moslems choose to come to live in non-moslem jurisdictions. 2/ Moslems who choose to live in a non-moslem jurisdiction, will [also] claim that they are suffering 'persecution' [and 'oppression'], because within those non-moslem jurisdictions, non-moslems are 'imposing' secular law, upon moslems. And that is the mindset, and the world-view, which moslems bring with them, when moslems come to live within secular countries, like Australia.

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Yadda said....

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ISLAM is a death cult. And moslems are culpable for the evil and violence done in the name of ISLAM, because moslems consciously choose to associate themselves with ISLAM.

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Yadda said....

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A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to lie to, to plunder and to rob, to rape, to enslave, and to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe. If as some would claim, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then, again, why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ??? n.b. According to ISLAM itself, a good 'moslem', is defined as a person who chooses to embrace the tenets and laws of ISLAM.

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Yadda said.....

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Why is it that thinking people seem unable to join the dots ? Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. . ISLAM is a murderous death cult. Yadda said.... [quote] Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. EVERY moslem, is a follower - of ISLAM. EVERY moslem, is a member of the moslem community. And whether the moslem refers to himself as being a member of, Hamas, or the Taliban, or Al-Qaeda, or Boko Haram, or ISIS, or Al Shabaab, or [in Australia] Brothers for Life, OR SIMPLY, AS BEING A, MOSLEM; ....the moslem is a member of 'a group of people' who choose to follow a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to seek to subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder all of 'disbelieving' mankind.

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http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg

London, moslem street protests.

Moslems 'demonstrating' - just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.



THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"




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"The face of terror...not the true faith of Islam.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1340106973/4#4

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THE FALLACY; NOT ALL MOSLEMS ARE 'BAD' PEOPLE ? How likely is it that a person who >> declares <<..... "I am a moslem!" .....is unaware of what the principle tenets and laws of ISLAM are ? How likely is it that a person who >> declares <<..... "I am a moslem!" .....is unaware of how mainstream ISLAM regards, and portrays non-moslems, i.e. as criminals [BECAUSE, they are not moslems, BECAUSE, they choose to reject ISLAM] ? i.e. Q. If [individual] moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with the evil, murderous philosophy which ISLAM clearly is ? Q. If moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with a violent criminal philosophy, ISLAM ? Are some 'innocent' moslems claiming that they are unaware of the evil and violence which ISLAM promotes ? How credible is such a claim ? How credible is it that a >> devout moslem <<, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? e.g. The 'prime directive', to all moslems, from Allah is that; THERE CAN NEVER BE PEACE BETWEEN MOSLEMS AND UNBELIEVERS. And that there can only ever be a never ending warfare against 'unbelievers', .........or, a hidden enmity, whenever the 'unbelievers' are are stronger than moslems.

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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418244166/15#15

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You mean that we [infidels, on OzPol] are guilty of 'stereotyping' members of the Australian mainstream moslem community!!!! Shock horror!!!! Fancy having the gall to associate moslems,     .......with,      .....moslems! Fancy having the gall to associate moslems,     .......with,      .....ISLAM [and with ISLAM's laws and tenets] ! Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. Google; Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

Hate comes from fear. fear comes from ignorance.
   
I strongly suspect I have had worse experiences with Moslems than you have Yadda,
I cant confirm that because you havn't stated what personal experience you have had. So I  am forced to assume you operate from a position of  ignorance.

Posts #19, 20

Presenting previously stated argument(s) against the notion of [the fallacy of] the 'innocent' moslem.




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"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam... ...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law. "We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-country-is-god-forsaken-and-that-muslims-must-shun-secular-a.html





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'ISIS', is already here within Australia;[/b]


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"......Yes my brothers, we will change the world to suit ISLAM. The moslems living in Australia are also engaging in this struggle....."

WATCH THE YT VIDEO, to get an understanding of how 'Aussie' moslems are conducting themselves behind closed doors!!


Muslims brainwash children in Australia            -------- >         goto 1m 40s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E


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Behind closed doors,       many imam's who are living in the West, are constantly advising members of their community, that moslems must reject Western values, rules, and laws.     !!!

For example;     Watch this advice being given,      watch Channel 4 [UK] Undercover Mosque on YT

Google;
dispatches undercover mosque, channel 4, -Return

I have read your previous posts and found nothing of substance, mostly regurgitated mass media articles and quotes supporting your position.
I am interested in why you have your opinions. because if you have a good reason for having these opinions I may want to share them.

If you are unable to provide a rational explanation for your opinions please do some research and thinking so you can present a cogent statement supporting your position.

I want you to change my mind. I will need an actual reason to do so.

I give you the respect of reading your posts and replying on the rare occasions you ask a question. i would appreciate likewise courtesy. so i repeat:

You say that you thought the Jehovah of the bible was   overly harsh. I presume this is referring to stories like Barabbas and the bear?
How do you reconcile the vengeful petty god of the old testament(he sends a bear to kill children as punishment for teasing a bald priest-at the priest behest) with the new testament.    

p.s i know you love getting your definitions from google.
if you google yadda you get:
Yadda yadda yadda definition, blah-blah-blah.
lolz so true.

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

I have read your previous posts and found nothing of substance, mostly regurgitated mass media articles and quotes supporting your position. I am interested in why you have your opinions. because if you have a good reason for having these opinions I may want to share them. If you are unable to provide a rational explanation for your opinions please do some research and thinking so you can present a cogent statement supporting your position. I want you to change my mind. I will need an actual reason to do so. I give you the respect of reading your posts and replying on the rare occasions you ask a question. i would appreciate likewise courtesy. so i repeat: You say that you thought the Jehovah of the bible was   overly harsh. I presume this is referring to stories like Barabbas and the bear? How do you reconcile the vengeful petty god of the old testament(he sends a bear to kill children as punishment for teasing a bald priest-at the priest behest) with the new testament.

Pho Huc,

I regard myself as a reasonable person.

Logic demands that i regard ISLAM as a philosophy which inspires nothing good in the psyche of human beings.

Logic demands that i treat ISLAM as a death cult, bent on world domination.



I know that many persons like yourself, refuse to 'join the dots'.

You are responsible for what you choose to believe.

Not me.

And what we choose to believe will always determine what our moral priorities are, and our [moral] ethics.

Each of us, makes our own choices.


Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.


Isaiah 1:16
Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17  Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.





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ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

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"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

Google it.





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FURTHER EVIDENCE  ----------- >

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran  [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains]. SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ; ---------- >

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Examine the behaviour of the rampant [i.e. unrestrained] moslem.

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

If you believe muslim's are so reprehensible wouldn't you feel an obligation to enlighten the unknowing but receptive like myself. I have stated my reasoning for disregarding extreme islam as anything other than a minor threat to my or my families personal safety.  i will ask again, how do you reconcile the story of barabas and the bear , with the theme of the new testament. just to give some insight to you logical process.

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

p.s i know you love getting your definitions from google. if you google yadda you get: Yadda yadda yadda definition, blah-blah-blah. lolz so true.

Don't take any notice of yadda,he just recycles and re uses the same posts over and over.He is utterly boring.

p s your cut and paste skills are ninja yadda

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

If you believe muslim's are so reprehensible wouldn't you feel an obligation to enlighten the unknowing but receptive like myself.

I keep trying to explain [the evil of ISLAM] to everyone i can.

But the concept, that the close proximity of evil, is a threat to our peace, isn't being received very well.





Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

I have stated my reasoning for disregarding extreme islam as anything other than a minor threat to my or my families personal safety.

There is quite enough of that 'attitude' in the world already.

The attitude, that if i don't perceive evil as a threat [to me and to mine], then i should tolerate evil [coz it obviously isn't doing me any harm].




Such is life.

Maybe its the use of the term evil that causes problems. evil is concept that is even more mutable than truth, varying on social and moral norms.  I would accept a statement that exposure to extremists influences has the ability to affect the opinions and actions of otherwise moderate people. I cannot accept a oversimplification of this issue into a good v evil debate.  once you describe someone as evil you dehumanize them, which lessens ones ability to feel empathy and realize any insights which may come from such a change of perspective.