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UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 10:21am

UK, young girls [13-15 years old] plied with drugs, then raped,
.....but those men were not REAL moslems.

/sarc off

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2012-02-21
Grooming Trial: Girls 'Plied With Drugs'

Eleven men have gone on trial accused of sexually exploiting underage girls who had been plied with drugs and alcohol.

The five youngsters - aged between 13 and 15 when the alleged abuse began - were thought to have been "passed around" among a group of men in Rochdale and sometimes subjected to violence.

A jury at Liverpool Crown Court has been told that one of the girls became pregnant at the age of 13 and had to have an abortion.

The court heard another girl "very quickly became regularly and heavily drunk, depressed, incapable of getting herself out of the situation and resigned to what was happening to her".

Prosecutor Rachel Smith said: "She did not always cry or protest or tell the men that she did not want to have sex with them although she often did both.

"But she was persistently coerced or forced into submission by them."

Another girl, who had absconded from a council care home, said she was sexually exploited by large numbers of men and given "substantial amounts of alcohol such that she was severely drunk when she was used for sex".

She said: "They just get you proper hammered so that you can't do anything."

She claimed that she would regularly find herself drunk to near unconsciousness, waking up with men having sex with her.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/grooming-trial-girls-plied-drugs-173826156.html

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IT IS OK TO RAPE NON-MOSLEM WOMEN WITHIN YOUR PHYSICAL CONTROL....

FROM THE KORAN,

"..Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:..."
Koran 4.22-24

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee;..."
Koran 33.50

"women.....whom your right hands possess"
???

Q.
What does that mean ???

A.
war booty, i.e. female captives.

ISLAMIC DOCTRINE;
It is perfectly OK [i.e. 'lawful'] for moslems to have non-consensual sex with non-moslem female captives.

But that is in scenario of captives taken in a war.

Q.
Who is at war ???

A.
Moslems, with all non-moslems.

Statements by moslems, evidence, which supports the proposition that ALL moslems >> consider themselves << to be at war with ALL non-moslems....

As Anjem Choudary - a UK moslem community leader reveals, the UK is 'a land of war', open for Jihad 'operations';

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

And ALL non-moslems ['unbelievers'] are treated as 'fair game', in a combative sense, in ISLAM's never-ending warfare against Allah's enemies....

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&on...

N.B.
"...the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

'Unbelievers' = = don't even 'rate' as human beings.

To ISLAM, only moslems are human beings.

Google;

unbelievers, are sons of apes and pigs

Google;

Non-Muslims, Worse than Animals

"...A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi

Who, or what, is a harbi ???

Harbi is an Arabic/ISLAMIC word, it means "one under a declaration of war".i
"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Reply #1 - Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 1:14pm

The people who did this disqusting act have gone agains the teaching of The Holy Quran they have commited adultry if married and fronication is unmarried.

These are the people I really dispise they disgust me and dishonour the image of Islam and put a bad name againt Islam. these few bad apples give a bad image to islam and those wahabi salafies as of the link you have provided about that man whos link you have yoused he is a wahabi salafi these people go against the teachings of Quran and sunnah they are extremist. why dont you look at the true islam.

(33:50) O Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whose bridal dues you have paid, *87 and the slave-girls you possess from among the prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and maternal aunts who have migrated with you, and a believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom he wants to take in marriage. *88 (O Prophet), this privilege is yours alone to the exclusion of other believers. *89 We know well what restrictions We have imposed upon them as regards their wives and those whom their right hands possess, (and have exempted you from those restrictions) that there may be no constraint upon you. *90 Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

You are misquoting verses from the holy Quran the meaning of the verse is as follows.

ISLAMIC DOCTRINE
It is NOT lawfull for Muslims to have sex with anyone outside marriage. Strictly FORBIDDEN GRAVE SIN To DO SO, if someone does this then he have gone against the teaching of qurann and is punishable.

As Muslims the true muslims we value the life of every human being and to kill 1 soul is like you have killed entire human race. So i am againt your lies and propanganda poster.

(9:123) O Believers, fight with these disbelievers who are near you, *121 and they should find you firm and stern: *122 and know that Allah is with the Godfearing. *123
*121 From the apparent wording of this verse, it may be inferred that only those Muslims have at first been held responsible to fight with those enemies of Islam who live near their territory. But if we read this verse along with the succeeding passage, it becomes clear that here "disblievers who are near you refers to those hypocrites who were doing great harm to to Islamic Society by mixing up with the sincere Muslims. This very thing was stated in v. 73 at the beginning of this discourse. The Command has been repeated at its end in order to impress on the Muslims the importance of the matter and to urge them to do Jihad and crush these internal enemies, without paying the Least regard to the racial, family and social relations that had been proving a binding force with them. The only difference between the two Commands is that in v. 73, the Muslims were asked to do Jihad with them, while in this verse stronger words, "fight with them" , have been used, which were meant to impress on them that they should crush the hypocrites thoroughly and completely. Another difference in the wordings is that in v. 73, two different words, "disbelievers and hypocrites", have been used, while in this verse only one word, "disbelievers", has been used so that the hypocrites should forfeit all their claims as Muslims, for there was room for this concession in the word "hypocrite"
*122 This is meant to impress that they should not, in future, show the lenient treatment they had been meting out to them up to that time. This has already been commanded in v. 73: "be firm and stern with them".
*123 This warning has two-fold meanings and both are implied here. First, "If you show any kind of leniency towards them because of your personal or family or economic connections with them, you should know that such a thing shall be against the fear of God', for the fear of God and friendly relations with the enemies of Allah are contradictory things. Therefore, you should give these up, if you desire to obtain Allah's help". Secondly, "You should scrupulously observe the moral and humane limits in doing Jihad, and in fighting with them. For you should always keep yourselves within the prescribed limits in everything. If you transgress these in any way, you should know that Allah will forsake you for He helps only those who are Godfearing.

Meaning of HARBI
Dar al-harb - areas where Muslims are in the minority and are persecuted

Harbi Meaning
A religious conceptualization of the world as belonging either to Muslim or non-Muslim territory, exists within Islam. The idea of religious divisions was first suggested by the early Sunni Muslim jurist Imam Abu Hanifa, founder of the Hanafi school of Islamic jurisprudence.

Why Is it that when a Arabici or Pakistani Man commits a crime of immorality or injustice the general public always blame the crime committers as Muslims did this and that Islam has done this and that.

When a white man or black man commit a crime of human imorallity discust and shame the do not label them by saying a jew or chritian has commited this crime but label it by saying a a bunch of youths thugs or a group of black or white males have done this.

Only when a person has a muslim name and has nothing to do with islam and does not even represent the muslim community puts a bad name to the muslims the media single him out as MUSLIM or ISLAM has done this. not this is INJUSTICE.

Next time why dont the media label every crime commiter by their religion to make it fair name and shame them aswell then wh shall se the response of their religious faith groups if they have any loyalty for their religion.

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Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Reply #2 - Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 1:42pm

TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 1:14pm:

The people who did this disqusting act have gone agains the teaching of The Holy Quran they have commited adultry if married and fronication is unmarried.

These are the people I really dispise they disgust me and dishonour the image of Islam and put a bad name againt Islam. these few bad apples give a bad image to islam and those wahabi salafies as of the link you have provided about that man whos link you have yoused he is a wahabi salafi these people go against the teachings of Quran and sunnah they are extremist.

why dont you look at the true islam.

TrueISLAM,

OK, tell us all, ........WHERE IS IT ???

Where is the exmple in the world, of 'true' ISLAM ???

MY PROPOSITION OF LOGIC IS THIS;

If ISLAM is truly virtuous, if Sharia law is just, and is not 'interpreted' into unjust law by moslem 'impersonators', then where is the example, in the world, where Sharia is applied justly ???

Where is the example in the world, for us unbelievers to be shocked and in awe at the clear and apparent virtue of the ISLAMIC society ???

Answer.

There is not one.

Hey you moslem hypocrite......;

If you want us ['unbelievers'] to respect ISLAM, then point to the virtuous example of ISLAM in a Sharia ordered society in this world.

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When anyone asks a moslem, to point to an example of a good, and just, benevolent Sharia society, a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law, today, no moslem can point to such an example.

Not in all of the ISLAMIC world, is there even one example of such a society, a virtuous ISLAMIC society.

The reality in the world, is quite opposite.

Because almost all examples of ISLAMIC and Sharia guided societies in the world today, are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty.

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Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Reply #3 - Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 1:59pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 1:42pm:

Hey you moslem hypocrite......;

If you want us ['unbelievers'] to respect ISLAM, then point to the virtuous example of ISLAM in a Sharia ordered society in this world.

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When anyone asks a moslem, to point to an example of a good, and just, benevolent Sharia society, a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law, today, no moslem can point to such an example.

Not in all of the ISLAMIC world, is there even one example of such a society, a virtuous ISLAMIC society.

The reality in the world, is quite opposite.

>> Because almost all examples of ISLAMIC and Sharia guided societies in the world today, are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty.<<

Even moslems don't want to live in moslem majority nations.

Moslems around the world are flocking to go to live in 'hated' >>> INFIDEL <<< Western nations.

Why ?

Because many moslems >> KNOW << that moslem majority nations.....

".....are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty."

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Reply #7 - Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 7:41pm

TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 1:14pm:

You are misquoting verses from the holy Quran the meaning of the verse is as follows.

ISLAMIC DOCTRINE
It is NOT lawfull for Muslims to have sex with anyone outside marriage.

Strictly FORBIDDEN GRAVE SIN To DO SO, if someone does this then he have gone against the teaching of qurann and is punishable.

That is absolute POPPYCOCK [nonsense, rubbish, lies.].

If that is correct [and from the witness of the Hadith, it clearly is not], then why didn't the prophet Mohammed suffer the punishment for adultery and fornication ???

Mohammed, [by the witness of ISLAMIC texts] was an adulterer and a rapist.

The Hadith [i.e. the sunnah of Mohammed] declares that Mohammed and his companions had sex outside marriage, with 'some excellent Arab women'
, who were taken captive.

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ISLAMIC 'religious' texts openly attest to the fact, that Mohammed was a warlord, a pirate, a mass murderer, a repeated rapist [read the Hadith!].

In our [Western, secular] value system, we would be shocked and outraged by the life of such an individual [Mohammed].

But good moslems, 'worship' Mohammed, his life, and his 'righteous' deeds [in Allah's cause]!

Here is an account of the deeds of ISLAM's 'prophet' , from the Hadith;

Mohammed and his companions went on a raiding party.
'and took captive some excellent Arab women', 'and we desired them',
'for we were suffering from the absence of our wives',
'So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them' [i.e. have non-consensual sex with their captive 'excellent Arab women']
'(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them.' [i.e. Mohammed's companions intended to sell their captive 'excellent Arab women' back to their menfolk]

Those being the circumstances, Mohammed's companions enquired of Mohammed this;

'what do you think about coitus interruptus?'

[i.e. Mohammed's companions wanted to know if Mohammed approved of coitus interruptus, as a method of contraception.

Because Mohammed's companions feared that if the 'excellent Arab women' became pregnant, then their menfolk may not ransom back their women [n.b. what was foremost upon the minds of Mohammed's companions was MONEY!...

...They were desirous, not to endanger their ransom MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! ] ]

Mohammed replied;
'Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it [coitus interruptus],' because Allah alone would determine if the women would become pregnant.

THIS ACCOUNT [OF NON CONSENSUAL SEX BY MOHAMMED AND HIS COMPANIONS] IS SOURCED FROM ISLAMIC TEXTS - THE HADITH

These ISLAMIC texts [along with the Koran] guide moslems in their daily conduct, in following their faith.

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/008-smt.php#008.3371
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muwatta/029-mmt.php#029.29.32.95
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muwatta/036-mmt.php#036.36.23.24
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/077-sbt.php#008.077.600
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/046-sbt.php#003.046.718
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/059-sbt.php#005.059.459

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>> Mohammed's example <<, in the Hadith provides the proof to moslems that moslem men can 'lawfully' have non-consensual sex with female captives....

n.b. THESE WORDS [below] ARE DIRECTLY QUOTED FROM THE HADITH [i.e. the sunnah of Mohammed]

Quote:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger"

"on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women"

"and we desired them"

"for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"

"So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them"

"Rape your 'war booty', its OK, say ISLAMIC texts"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251760605/0#0

The Hadith verses [cited above] are given, with references, here....

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8

Dictionary;
Sunna = = the traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims.

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Reply #9 - Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 10:30pm

falah wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 4:05pm:

Uganda is a very religious Christian country. See many refugees heading there?

Saudi Arabia is arguably the most religious Muslim country in the world Yadda. How many Saudi refugees arrived in Australia or any Western country last year?

Google;

people escaping from Saudi Arabia

Google;

Saudi Arabia, sex trade, human trafficking

Arguably.

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Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Reply #10 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 1:25am

falah wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 4:17pm:

The article doesn't say anything about Islam.

The men were all from Pakistan that means there is a 97% chance of them being Muslim two were named Mohammed. A more in depth piece can be found here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104360/Agony-girl-13-groomed-raped-gang...

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Reply #11 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 4:43am

It doesn't suprise me that the men are all of Pakistani origin.

It's been known for a long time in Britain that Pakistani men often prey on young and often underrage girls and their victims are usually white.

However, our PC PCs usually allow these men to continue with their vile acts because they are scared of getting accused of being "racist."

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Reply #12 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 9:00am

Yadda wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 7:49pm:

falah,

Then if these 'non-descript' persons are found guilty,
.....ARE YOU, AS A RIGHTEOUS MOSLEM, WILLING TO CALL FOR THESE MEN TO BE THROWN IN PRISON, AND TO NEVER TO BE RELEASED ?

If they were proven to be guilty, then I would expect them to punished in the same manner as anyone else who committed the same crime.

I can show you thousands of articles about men with Christian names raping women.

In Islamic law, the death penalty can be used against rapists.

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Reply #13 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 9:01am

Cofgod wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 4:43am:

It doesn't suprise me that the men are all of Pakistani origin.

It's been known for a long time in Britain that Pakistani men often prey on young and often underrage girls and their victims are usually white.

However, our PC PCs usually allow these men to continue with their vile acts because they are scared of getting accused of being "racist."

I can show you thousands of articles about white people raping underage girls, maybe we should be alarmed about white people?

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Reply #14 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 11:29am

falah wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 9:01am:

Cofgod wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 4:43am:

It doesn't suprise me that the men are all of Pakistani origin.

It's been known for a long time in Britain that Pakistani men often prey on young and often underrage girls and their victims are usually white.

However, our PC PCs usually allow these men to continue with their vile acts because they are scared of getting accused of being "racist."

I can show you thousands of articles about white people raping underage girls, maybe we should be alarmed about white people?

falah,

Yes, but the point being, is that Western culture criminalises rape and child abuse, and sex with children.

While ISLAMIC culture legitimises rape [of female captives], and child abuse [mercilessly beating children], and sex with children [just marry an 8 year old girl and you can bugger her to your black hearts delight].

>>> ISLAM legitimises the rape of small children, young girls. <<<

Sexual misconduct and abuse is not illegal in a Sharia jurisdiction.

[....but where particular sexual misconduct is illegal, within moslem communities, such sexual misconduct is also considered 'shameful', and therefore it almost always remains hidden [and unreported], to protect a moslem family's 'honour'.]

BUT, BUT......
A moslem man living in a Sharia jurisdiction, can 'LAWFULLY' buy, and marry, and abuse, an 8 year old girl. AND THEREBY 'LEGITIMISE' HIS RAPE OF CHILDREN.

e.g.

This 8 year old Yemeni 'wife' was continually raped by her lawful husband.

April 11, 2008
8-year-old girl seeks divorce in Yemen
.....SANA’A, April 9 - An eight-year-old girl decided last week to go the Sana’a West Court to prosecute her father, who forced her to marry a 30-year-old man......
.......Whenever I wanted to play in the yard he beat me and asked me to go to the bedroom with him. This lasted for two months," added Nasser. "He was too tough with me, and whenever I asked him for mercy, he beat me and slapped me and then used me.

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231993677/36#36
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1315270914/16#16
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