Arnoud van Doorn: from anti-Islamic film-maker to hajj pilgrim.    :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

Arnoud van Doorn: from anti-Islamic film-maker to hajj pilgrim.    :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

As-salam alaykum brother Hot. Arnoud van Doorn has confided in me and said he was attracted to Islam because of the hand choppings and stonings. I am a little disturbed by the picture of brother Arnoud leaning up against a GMC vehicle (if it is a GMC). What the phuk was brother Arnoud thinking driving to Mecca in a vehicle assembled in the land of satan (the USA). Brother Arnoud wake the phuk up!

Halla would never drive a USA made vehicle.

|dev|null wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

Arnoud van Doorn: from anti-Islamic film-maker to hajj pilgrim.    :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

He's stoned.

:D

I wonder if van Doorn has received any death threats from Christians for jumping ship?

There are 10 Muslim countries where Sharia Law provides for the death penalty for apostasy.




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|dev|null wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

Arnoud van Doorn: from anti-Islamic film-maker to hajj pilgrim.    :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

One wonders if he is genuine or just a "mole"?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

I wonder if van Doorn has received any death threats from Christians for jumping ship?

Herbert,

You silly, silly person!          :P

That is a completely silly and irrelevant question!!!!!!!!

....if you are a moslem.








FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 11:20pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 24th, 2013 at 10:38am: Arnoud van Doorn: from anti-Islamic film-maker to hajj pilgrim.    :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D One wonders if he is genuine or just a "mole"?

I believe him.

If you are suffering from a lack of self-esteem, or loneliness, or a sense of irrelevance, or depression, or low status in society ... etc etc ... and then on a whim you approach the imam at the local mosque to convert to Islam, you soon find yourself surrounded by dozens ~ scores ~ in the local community who make you feel very important, and welcomed, and supported.

That's pretty heady stuff for those who have 'lost their way', and have felt irrelevant and isolated from society.   

The warmth from the Muslim community is very genuine too. I had quite a few Muslim friends gently prompting me to convert ~ but never pushy. When you're taken into the bosom of the Muslim community they make you feel like a million dollars.

I was The One That Got Away ~  ;D ~ but they were always polite and genuinely warm-hearted and friendly. 

Oh, Sensei!  What an interesting new bait you have laid.  Will it hook any fish?

One wonders how you have repaid that warmth and politeness with your continued attacks on that community...   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

Oh, Sensei!  What an interesting new bait you have laid.  Will it hook any fish? One wonders how you have repaid that warmth and politeness with your continued attacks on that community...   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

On that community. There's a difference.

It was from that community that our Maximum Security prisons are now playing host to 23 of them who conspired, and planned, and gathered the material for blowing my niece to ribbons if she had happened to be on the wrong street, or the wrong train carriage, or the wrong building, or the wrong plane or bus.

I owe individual Muslims my friendship and good wishes ... but most definitely not to the 'Muslim community' amongst whose ranks there lurks people of the utmost evil and destructive intent. 

Abbott voted for the Iraq war - what an evil scumbag! He has the glint of murder in his eye. Abbott killed a million people. What is wrong with these Christian fanatics? Why are they so bloodthirsty?

True Colours wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Abbott voted for the Iraq war - what an evil scumbag! He has the glint of murder in his eye. Abbott killed a million people. What is wrong with these Christian fanatics? Why are they so bloodthirsty?

Are you happy that Saddam isn't in power anymore?

Big Dave wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

True Colours wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 11:27am: Abbott voted for the Iraq war - what an evil scumbag! He has the glint of murder in his eye. Abbott killed a million people. What is wrong with these Christian fanatics? Why are they so bloodthirsty? Are you happy that Saddam isn't in power anymore?

How would you like if saddam attacked Australia?

Cant wait for your response.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 10:02am: Oh, Sensei!  What an interesting new bait you have laid.  Will it hook any fish? One wonders how you have repaid that warmth and politeness with your continued attacks on that community...   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D On that community. There's a difference. It was from that community that our Maximum Security prisons are now playing host to 23 of them who conspired, and planned, and gathered the material for blowing my niece to ribbons if she had happened to be on the wrong street, or the wrong train carriage, or the wrong building, or the wrong plane or bus. I owe individual Muslims my friendship and good wishes ... but most definitely not to the 'Muslim community' amongst whose ranks there lurks people of the utmost evil and destructive intent.

How does one separate the individual from the collective?  The individuals whom you hold such warm affection for are equal members as those whom you hold contempt for.  They all are members of the same community.  However you seem to be holding the community responsible for the acts of the individuals that you hold in contempt.  Such contradictions Sensei.   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Big Dave wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

True Colours wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 11:27am: Abbott voted for the Iraq war - what an evil scumbag! He has the glint of murder in his eye. Abbott killed a million people. What is wrong with these Christian fanatics? Why are they so bloodthirsty? Are you happy that Saddam isn't in power anymore?

I am happy he isn't in power but was removing him worth so many lives?  The ends do not justify the means.   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 2:33pm:

How does one separate the individual from the collective?  The individuals whom you hold such warm affection for are equal members as those whom you hold contempt for.  They all are members of the same community.

No contradiction at all, Grasshopper.

Some of my best friends fought on the side of Hitler and the axis powers, but I certainly don't approve of most of the Nazi manifesto.

There were those who wore the uniform while being de facto apostates of Hitler's ravings ~ and marched with the True Believers so as not to end up in Auschwitz .... just as there are de facto apostate secularists in the Muslim community who are otherwise careful to utter the same cant and mantras as the Fundamentalists so as to avoid stigma, ostracism, and victimisation from within their community.

At one time I had a Chinese female boss who the other Chinese quietly told me had been a leader in the Cultural Revolution which murdered God Knows how many 10's of 1000's of 'intellectuals' throughout China.

She came to Australia and reinvented herself. She and I got along very well together. One of the other Chinese women there had been a professional ballerina in northern China.

They had no ambitions for setting up their own insular nation-within-a-nation here in Australia as the Muslims do. No Korans, burqas, hijabs, halal, and all the rest of the separatist crap.

No fatwa death contracts, no mosque-building, no riots in the city demanding 'beheadings', no murderous terrorists languishing in our maximum security prisons, no 'Cronulla Riots' involving Chinese youths intimidating Australian girls at the beach, etc etc.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 3:01pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 2:33pm: How does one separate the individual from the collective?  The individuals whom you hold such warm affection for are equal members as those whom you hold contempt for.  They all are members of the same community.  No contradiction at all, Grasshopper. Some of my best friends fought on the side of Hitler and the axis powers, but I certainly don't approve of most of the Nazi manifesto. There were those who wore the uniform while being de facto apostates of Hitler's ravings ~ and marched with the True Believers so as not to end up in Auschwitz .... just as there are de facto apostate secularists in the Muslim community who are otherwise careful to utter the same cant and mantras as the Fundamentalists so as to avoid stigma, ostracism, and victimisation from within their community. At one time I had a Chinese female boss who the other Chinese quietly told me had been a leader in the Cultural Revolution which murdered God Knows how many 10's of 1000's of 'intellectuals' throughout China. She came to Australia and reinvented herself. She and I got along very well together. One of the other Chinese women there had been a professional ballerina in northern China. They had no ambitions for setting up their own insular nation-within-a-nation here in Australia as the Muslims do. No Korans, burqas, hijabs, halal, and all the rest of the separatist crap. No fatwa death contracts, no mosque-building, no riots in the city demanding 'beheadings', no murderous terrorists languishing in our maximum security prisons, no 'Cronulla Riots' involving Chinese youths intimidating Australian girls at the beach, etc etc.

If you think there are no heavily chinese populated suburbs in Australia then you better go get your head checked.

Wasn't there a chinese/Singapore event last week in darlingharbour where non Asians weren't allowed in?

|dev|null wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 12:08pm: True Colours wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 11:27am: Abbott voted for the Iraq war - what an evil scumbag! He has the glint of murder in his eye. Abbott killed a million people. What is wrong with these Christian fanatics? Why are they so bloodthirsty? Are you happy that Saddam isn't in power anymore? I am happy he isn't in power but was removing him worth so many lives?  The ends do not justify the means.   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Removing Saddam was a shocking mistake.

His Police State Secret Police ~ with their torture chambers and their secret mass graves throughout the country maintained peace and harmony throughout the country.

So okay, there was the occasional midnight knock on the door by the Secret Police, but it was for the common good.

And yes, it's true that one of Saddam's sons did have a human shredding machine that was occasionally used on the Iraqi National Soccer team if they performed badly against foreign teams.

But hey ... it got results.  8-)
 

wally1 wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

If you think there are no heavily chinese populated suburbs in Australia then you better go get your head checked.

Where did I say that?


wally1 wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

Wasn't there a chinese/Singapore event last week in darlingharbour where non Asians weren't allowed in?

Good point.

That really surprised me. It made the news for all the wrong reasons. White people trying to visit the event were fairly rudely sent packing.

Later, the Damage Control police in the tabloids paved it over with apologist nonsense about it all being 'a misunderstanding' etc etc...

It's the only time in living memory (mine) that an ethnic cultural event hasn't welcomed everyone to come enjoy the festivities.

This event was mostly populated by Muslims, of course ....  ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 4:21pm:

This event was mostly populated by Muslims, of course

Evidence?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 4:21pm: This event was mostly populated by Muslims, of course Evidence?

It was a festival in celebration of Malaysia.

Your paranoia is showing.

I don't know why you keep fighting it. You're educated enough to know that Islam is a very sick puppy so far as other religions are concerned ~ with 10 Muslim nations having stoning to death for adultery, homosexuality, apostasy, and blasphemy.

As a civilised person you must be feeling an awful sense of shame and embarrassment that the practice of Islam is so medieval and barbaric.

***

I won't remind you again that 19 women were raped in the centre of Cairo by Muslims within a period of only 2 weeks. If that is the culminating result of 14 centuries of Islamic saturation in Arabic society ~ then it might be time you people opted for a different religion ~ or no religion at all.

tsk. Sorry. I forgot. You guys get Death fatwas put upon you for deserting the faith, don't you?

Big Dave wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

True Colours wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 11:27am: Abbott voted for the Iraq war - what an evil scumbag! He has the glint of murder in his eye. Abbott killed a million people. What is wrong with these Christian fanatics? Why are they so bloodthirsty? Are you happy that Saddam isn't in power anymore?

Today at your kids school some parents got together and blew up the school. There was was this bad bully at the school and they got him. A lot of other kids were killed in the explosion too, maybe your kid, we're not really sure. But they got the bully - that's the main thing right?

Are you happy that they got rid of the bully? :D

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 2:35pm: Big Dave wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 12:08pm: True Colours wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 11:27am: Abbott voted for the Iraq war - what an evil scumbag! He has the glint of murder in his eye. Abbott killed a million people. What is wrong with these Christian fanatics? Why are they so bloodthirsty? Are you happy that Saddam isn't in power anymore? I am happy he isn't in power but was removing him worth so many lives?  The ends do not justify the means.   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D Removing Saddam was a shocking mistake. His Police State Secret Police ~ with their torture chambers and their secret mass graves throughout the country maintained peace and harmony throughout the country. So okay, there was the occasional midnight knock on the door by the Secret Police, but it was for the common good. And yes, it's true that one of Saddam's sons did have a human shredding machine that was occasionally used on the Iraqi National Soccer team if they performed badly against foreign teams. But hey ... it got results.  8-)

And American soldiers are better than saddams men are they?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 5:22pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25th, 2013 at 4:21pm: This event was mostly populated by Muslims, of course Evidence? It was a festival in celebration of Malaysia. Your paranoia is showing. I don't know why you keep fighting it. You're educated enough to know that Islam is a very sick puppy so far as other religions are concerned ~ with 10 Muslim nations having stoning to death for adultery, homosexuality, apostasy, and blasphemy. As a civilised person you must be feeling an awful sense of shame and embarrassment that the practice of Islam is so medieval and barbaric. *** I won't remind you again that 19 women were raped in the centre of Cairo by Muslims within a period of only 2 weeks. If that is the culminating result of 14 centuries of Islamic saturation in Arabic society ~ then it might be time you people opted for a different religion ~ or no religion at all. tsk. Sorry. I forgot. You guys get Death fatwas put upon you for deserting the faith, don't you?

Whats the link to this festival?

wally1 wrote on Oct 25^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

And American soldiers are better than saddams men are they?

8-)
Are you 'Wally1' in the same way as 'Banana 1 and Banana 2'?

Wake up to yourself.

I long favoured the removal of Saddam Hussein from power but it was obviously justified by a cassis belli which was effectively a lie.  I am of course referring to the WMDs - Weapons of Massed Distraction.  This was obvious as George W. Bush and his administration deliberately set out to manufacture one.  In the end, even they admitted that the WMDs was the only issue which the entire government could agree, despite it obviously being a lie.

The best point at which Saddam should have been removed was 1991.  However, instead of seeking "regime change" the US buckled to pressure from Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Syria - key members of the coalition raised against Iraq, which did not want to see a democracy established in Iraq which would call into question the legitimacy of their regimes.   Well, while it was delayed, the "Arab Spring" has definitely come about to question that.

The 2003 invasion also meant that Usama bin Laden was allowed to escape from Afghanistan.  The US forces which were pursuing him in the Pushtan borderlands were withdrawn to take part in the wild-goose chase looking for WMDs in Iraq.

Ultimately, after examining the evidence one suspects the real reason why George W. Bush pursued the removal of Saddam Hussein was personal.  Who can forget his exclamation that Saddam had, "tried to kill my daddy!"?  It served no real purpose in the "War on Terror(ism)"(tm).  Saddam's Iraq was not, despite the claims of Dick Cheney, a supporter of al Q'aeda.   It was not pursuing the development of WMDs and had destroyed all it's stocks of those, immediately after the 1991 war, as part of the armistice.

Saddam needed to be removed and a great deal of the angst before, during and now after the war could have been avoided if George W. Bush had admitted that the failure to remove him in 1991 had been a mistake and it needed to be corrected, for the sake of the Iraqi peoples, rather than build the façade of lies which were created to justify it.

It may not though, have avoided the causalties.  More than like the same idiotic mistakes would have been made in the Occupation of Iraq as occurred.   However, it would have perhaps justified the Butchers' Bill more easily.

Islam and the Darwin Awards:

Nicolas Bons, a young convert to Islam from a comfortable middle class French background, has died fighting in Syria barely four months after his half-brother met the same fate, their father said Monday.
In a story that has provoked bewilderment, the mother of 30-year-old Nicolas was informed by text message from the frontline that her son had been "martyred" on December 22 in a suicide truck bombing in the Syrian province of Homs, the father, Gerard Bons, told AFP by phone from his home in French Guiana.
Nicolas's half-brother Jean-Daniel had died in fighting at the start of August. He was 22 and had been introduced to radical Islam by Nicolas, who had himself announced his conversion to his parents in 2009.

Whatever happened to true colors and hotbreath?

hotbreath only had one reply, and I kept deleting it - so I guess there's no longer any reason for him to be here  :-/

true colours I miss - but his memory lives on in my sig

|dev|null wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

Arnoud van Doorn: from anti-Islamic film-maker to hajj pilgrim.    :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

First question:
"Why is a former member of Geert Wilders' anti-Islamic Party for Freedom – who made a film claiming Muslims are violent – tweeting from Mecca?"

Answer:

1. Because he is no longer a champion of freedom.

2. Nor is he a champion of mankind's God-given right to self-determination:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#death_penalty_apostasy

3. Nor a champion of our God-given right to freedom of speech:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/blasphemy_laws.htm#death_penalty_blasphemy

4. Because he obviously never investigated the history of Mecca.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196

5. Because he obviously never investigated the origin of the rituals of the Hajj and Umrah - like the Sa'ee:

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance.....
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah

6. Because he never investigated the origins of Islam:
http://www.brotherpete.com/origins_of_islam.htm

7. Or the origins of Ramadan
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/origin_of_ramadan.htm

Compare his new slave status and his now qualifying for the death penalty for "apostasy" by statute, of so many Islamic slave States, that is leaving Islam to begin a life in Jesus Christ. Compare the death penalty for exercising his God-given right to self-determination henceforth of his new anti-religion, with the testimonies of former Muslims at the link that follows that went the other way, and instead of trading freedom, liberty and the right to self-determination for the slavery of an anti-religion, instead traded the slavery of Islam for a new heart, and real freedom in Christ Jesus.

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
http://www.muslimjourneytohope.com/

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 6:37pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 24th, 2013 at 10:38am: Arnoud van Doorn: from anti-Islamic film-maker to hajj pilgrim.    :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D First question: "Why is a former member of Geert Wilders' anti-Islamic Party for Freedom – who made a film claiming Muslims are violent – tweeting from Mecca?" Answer: 1. Because he is no longer a champion of freedom. 2. Nor is he a champion of mankind's God-given right to self-determination: http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#death_penalty_apostasy 3. Nor a champion of our God-given right to freedom of speech: http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/blasphemy_laws.htm#death_penalty_blasphemy 4. Because he obviously never investigated the history of Mecca. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196 5. Because he obviously never investigated the origin of the rituals of the Hajj and Umrah - like the Sa'ee: Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance..... http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah 6. Because he never investigated the origins of Islam: http://www.brotherpete.com/origins_of_islam.htm 7. Or the origins of Ramadan http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/origin_of_ramadan.htm Compare his new slave status and his now qualifying for the death penalty for "apostasy" by statute, of so many Islamic slave States, that is leaving Islam to begin a life in Jesus Christ. Compare the death penalty for exercising his God-given right to self-determination henceforth of his new anti-religion, with the testimonies of former Muslims at the link that follows that went the other way, and instead of trading freedom, liberty and the right to self-determination for the slavery of an anti-religion, instead traded the slavery of Islam for a new heart, and real freedom in Christ Jesus. John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. http://www.muslimjourneytohope.com/

Or to put it simple, maybe he didn't like christinaity like the thousands of people who leave Christianity for other religions?

wally1 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Or to put it simple, maybe he didn't like christinaity like the thousands of people who leave Christianity for other religions?

So that would be a compelling reason for him to desire the slavery of Islam? Even if "he didn't like christinaity" would that constitute a compelling reason to engage in adopted, adapted and thinly veneered, recycled pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals, in a town that did not exist before the 4th century AD?
You seem to have overlooked this related post to you Wally:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196/24#24

And I realize you can't understand this, but the poor fellow had only deluded himself into believing he had ever been a Christian. Some people even believe that they became a Christian when a Priest sprinkled water on their head as an infant.

Here's how we can know he wasn't a Christian:

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Not any man, including - indeed especially - the false prophet Muhammad who proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/

Another lose from christianity?

Says the bible teachings are childlike.

Is Paul Walker's Co-Star Tyrese Gibson Converted from Christianity to Islam, After His Visit to Dubai?[size=14][/size]

Once fell into depression after his best friend Paul Walked died in a car crash at the end of November last year, Gibson said he "found his smile again" after a visit to an Islamic city - Dubai in United Arab Emirates, in a recently TV interview.
In the TV show "The Arsenio Hall Show" Gibson told the audience that he met his "best friend and spiritual mentor" in Dubai and the fifteen days were like "8 months already".
Upon returning to US, the star dressed in a long Middle Eastern style robe and appeared in a video, sharing how greatly he has been changed after his visit to Dubai. In his own word, he said "he changed his life forever", his life "has found the sense of purpose", "I've never experienced the love that I experienced, in a short period of time, ever in my life" and "there is a big big big plan".
In the same video, Gibson also had his message to all the Americans, suggesting them not to be "stereo type" towards the Islamic world just because of several terrorists and negative moments happened in the States. And he said the "great nation of Abudabi Dubai has given him smile again".
Gibson used to talked about his Christian faith in TBN program, saying that he "is a Christian of every bit" and said he would not like some others who "talked about God privately" but "shared about God openly". He believed that God had covered his direction and every performance, and granted his whole band safety. He even encouraged people to pray to God: "I want to encourage everybody out there. In whatever interpretation as on your heart, just get to know Him. Allow Him to order your footsteps, and your direction, just pray that God blesses you to find strength to walk into the unfamiliar."
This Fast & Furious star did not express to the public whether he had changed his religious belief after this "turning point of his life". However, in his video at home, he quoted Bible and considered his "smile again" as the Bible's teaching on "being childlike".

Another lose from christianity?

Says the bible teachings are childlike.

Is Paul Walker's Co-Star Tyrese Gibson Converted from Christianity to Islam, After His Visit to Dubai?

Once fell into depression after his best friend Paul Walked died in a car crash at the end of November last year, Gibson said he "found his smile again" after a visit to an Islamic city - Dubai in United Arab Emirates, in a recently TV interview.
In the TV show "The Arsenio Hall Show" Gibson told the audience that he met his "best friend and spiritual mentor" in Dubai and the fifteen days were like "8 months already".
Upon returning to US, the star dressed in a long Middle Eastern style robe and appeared in a video, sharing how greatly he has been changed after his visit to Dubai. In his own word, he said "he changed his life forever", his life "has found the sense of purpose", "I've never experienced the love that I experienced, in a short period of time, ever in my life" and "there is a big big big plan".
In the same video, Gibson also had his message to all the Americans, suggesting them not to be "stereo type" towards the Islamic world just because of several terrorists and negative moments happened in the States. And he said the "great nation of Abudabi Dubai has given him smile again".
Gibson used to talked about his Christian faith in TBN program, saying that he "is a Christian of every bit" and said he would not like some others who "talked about God privately" but "shared about God openly". He believed that God had covered his direction and every performance, and granted his whole band safety. He even encouraged people to pray to God: "I want to encourage everybody out there. In whatever interpretation as on your heart, just get to know Him. Allow Him to order your footsteps, and your direction, just pray that God blesses you to find strength to walk into the unfamiliar."
This Fast & Furious star did not express to the public whether he had changed his religious belief after this "turning point of his life". However, in his video at home, he quoted Bible and considered his "smile again" as the Bible's teaching on "being childlike".

Such typical non-responsiveness. Do you understand why you were unable to provide any sort of substantive response to my prior post to you Wally? Why don't you click on that link, and reply on my post to you in the history of Mecca thread, rather than focus on the dementia suffered by a single irrelevant individual in the world, as if it had some meaning? We both know why, don't we Wally?


wally1 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

Another lose from christianity?

My friend, according to an interview of Islamic clerics on Al-Jazeerah, 6 million Muslims are beginning a life in Jesus Christ every year, in Africa alone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo
If I remember the stat right, over 40% of those do so through a dream, vision, or being spoken to directly by Jesus Christ.

Here is how we can rest assured he wasn't a Christian Wally, unless of course he winds up repenting from this likely temporary lapse into the deception of Islam's spirit of antichrist, and then later ends his days as a Christian:

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Though he has now qualified himself, to be murdered by his new brethren for apostasy, if he should desire to become a Christian.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#death_penalty_apostasy

For example 78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/pakistan-78-percent-call-for-apostate-deaths/


wally1 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

Says the bible teachings are childlike.

I see. So instead he is now expected to believe that Muhammad rode on a magic flying donkey-mule one night, from Mecca to Jerusalem, then up to the "paradise" of Muhammad's overactive imagination, and back to Mecca by morning.
http://www.brotherpete.com/mohammeds_night_journey.htm


wally1 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

Says the bible teachings are childlike. Is Paul Walker's Co-Star Tyrese Gibson Converted from Christianity to Islam, After His Visit to Dubai? Once fell into depression after his best friend Paul Walked died in a car crash at the end of November last year, Gibson said he "found his smile again" after a visit to an Islamic city - Dubai in United Arab Emirates, in a recently TV interview.

No shortage of folks suffering mental and emotional distress, are subject to receiving the influence of unclean spirits and demons. Or "Jinn", as the Arabian pagan's and Muhammad and his family referred to their familiar spirits.
http://religionresearchinstitute.org/Mohammad/occultism.htm

I'm guessing Gibson's smile would quickly fade, if he bothers to investigate Islam a little, rather than simply accept his new intellect that has been reduced to that of a 7th century SW Arabian desert dwelling illiterate.

Or perhaps even when he discovers the Norwegian tourist in Dubai, that was imprisoned, for going to the police to report being the VICTIM of rape.

"Dubai (CNN) -- Norwegian interior designer Marte Deborah Dalelv has spoken out after being handed a 16-month prison sentence in Dubai -- after she went to police to report she had been raped by a colleague.

The 24-year-old was convicted and sentenced on charges of having unlawful sex, making a false statement and illegal consumption of alcohol."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/20/world/meast/uae-norway-rape-controversy/

Let alone that complete and abject ignorance he expressed, as a result of his brainwashing, when he said:


wally1 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

In the same video, Gibson also had his message to all the Americans, suggesting them not to be "stereo type" towards the Islamic world just because of several terrorists and negative moments happened in the States. And he said the "great nation of Abudabi Dubai has given him smile again".

Particularly in light of the several threads in here that expose the stunning nature of this BIG LIE as so clearly revealed in polls of Muslims from around the world, over years.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387754522/61#61

Here's just a tiny sampling of one of the dozens of polls at that link:
World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

Now why don't you take a crack at the post you keep ignoring in my prior post, from the thread you keep ignoring, on the history of Mecca?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196/24#24

Come noe Pete, you can't settle one of the great debates of Christianity, if once saved you are also saved that easily.  Surely you know it isn't that simple.

wally1 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

Upon returning to US, the star dressed in a long Middle Eastern style robe and appeared in a video, sharing how greatly he has been changed after his visit to Dubai. In his own word, he said "he changed his life forever".....

Hard to argue with that. Here's what the poor dupe has unwittingly subjected himself to. Presuming of course, that the liars he dealt with were so dishonest that they didn't even inform him that once he became a Muslim, he would technically be subject to the death penalty for leaving.
Even the crime syndicate of the Mafia is perhaps more honest than Muslims on that matter.

http://www.realcourage.org/2009/07/ht-death-penalty/

"Chicago: Hizb ut-Tahrir Distributes Flier Calling for “Death Penalty” for Those Who Leave Islam

By R.E.A.L. Organization • on July 20, 2009

At the July 19, 2009 Hizb ut-Tahrir America (HTA) conference in Oak Lawn, Illinois at the Oak Lawn Hilton, Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.) ’s Jeffrey Imm attended the end of the final session “The Rise of Islam” prior to Question and Answer period.  When going into the conference, each participant received a package from HTA which included:  HTA Conference Agenda, HT glossy pamphlet ” ‘Islamic Reformation’ – Exposing the Battle for Hearts and Minds,” HT flier, and CDs “An Outcry to the Islamic Ummah – For How Much Longer?!” and “The Shield – Islamic Commentary on the State of the Muslims.”

"Regarding the killing of those who seek freedom of religion and choose to leave Islam, the HTA-distributed pamphlet states:  “Apostasy is a question of what kind of person would openly and publicly abandon Islam with full knowledge that they will be killed for it, rather than either keeping it to themselves or leave the Khalifah. Hence, the death penalty only applies on those who in Khalifah openly leave Islam, and choose to remain in the state despite knowing the law; this is considered an open attack on the basis of the state which is Islam, essentially it is viewed as treason and a political attack on the Khalifah in order to undermine it.”"


wally1 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

.....his life "has found the sense of purpose", "I've never experienced the love that I experienced, in a short period of time, ever in my life" and "there is a big big big plan".

Indeed. And that "big plan" is the conquest and subjugation of all non-Muslims to Muhammad's followers.
Conquest and ultimate subjugation of all mankind to DISbelieving the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and DENYING and blaspheming the Son of God, as ARTICLES OF FAITH in Muhammad ALONE.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm


wally1 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

In the same video, Gibson also had his message to all the Americans, suggesting them not to be "stereo type" towards the Islamic world just because of several terrorists and negative moments happened in the States.

Though I doubt there was much discussion of Muhammad's mass murder of the Banu Qurayza and rape of their little girls and women and Islamic imperialistic conquest up into France and Austria of the First Jihad, let alone the over 21,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world just since 9-11, and the slaughter and persecution of Christians around the world by Muhammad's true followers.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 12:15am:

Though I doubt there was much discussion of Muhammad's mass murder of the Banu Qurayza

Oh dear Pete.  After you let slip that you think genocide is acceptable under God the other day, this does seem a touch out of character.  Why is it not OK in this circumstance but OK when your God orders the kill?

Stratos wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 12:26am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 12:15am: Though I doubt there was much discussion of Muhammad's mass murder of the Banu Qurayza Oh dear Pete.  After you let slip that you think genocide is acceptable under God the other day, this does seem a touch out of character.  Why is it not OK in this circumstance but OK when your God orders the kill?

No slip at all as you well know from the last time you brought it up.
In fact I go into it in some detail on a website.
http://www.brotherpete.com/old_testament_violence.htm

The answer of course, continues to remain in the rest of the sentence, that you continue to be too much of a coward to include in your signature:

"Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act, because it precluded them from growing up to be indoctrinated into engaging in the ritualistic prostitution, sodomy, bestiality, and sacrifice of children to idols, of their wicked parents. [add: thus separating them from God forever.]"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325/698#698

Why don't you stop soiling multiple threads and wasting forum space with your mindless repetition of subjects already replied to on other threads? This was already asked and answered. Your cowardice to post the whole verse continues to cause you to fail to understand.
By condemning it, you have made yourself a champion of the sacrifice of children to idols, of the Canaanites. A champion of Satan himself.

The answer continues to be that all innocent, and even ignorant people that were never quickened by the Spirit, that ever died or were killed are with the Lord today.

Thus the difference is the exact, perfect and complete opposite, of Muhammad's massacre of the Banu Qurayza.
In a couple thousand years BC God's people acting on God's orders, to bring an end to the ritualistic prostitution, sodomy, bestiality and sacrifice of children to idols and such other such reprobate and abominable Satan inspired behavior of the Canaanites - as compared to Muhammad and his boys 7th century AD slaughter of God's people (as they continue to do today) - of the literate, peaceful, faithful, productive Jewish farm boys and their dads and grandpas of the Banu Qurayza, while sexually enslaving their little sisters, moms and grandmothers, and stealing their property - on Muhammad's buddy Sa'd's instruction.
http://www.brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

Though it's easy to understand how some moral relativists with no concept of justice, standing outside the Spirit of God, would be unable to discern a difference.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 1:17am:

The answer of course, continues to remain in the rest of the sentence

Bro I told you, it doesn't fit.  More than happy to put it all if it was possible.  Tried to link too but you need 10k posts.


Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 1:17am:

The answer continues to be that all innocent, and even ignorant people that were never quickened by the Spirit, that ever died or were killed are with the Lord today.

I still cannot believe you think that gives them.... anyone, the right to murder babies. 

Genocide is bad.  Killing babies is bad.  This isn't moral relatavism, nor is it rocket science.  Any God that would order his people to kill children, and anyone who would follow out that order, is completely reprehensible.

Former agnostic turns to islam



http://i.imgur.com/RNtJSHX.jpg

Stratos wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 6:58am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 19th, 2014 at 1:17am: The answer of course, continues to remain in the rest of the sentence Bro I told you, it doesn't fit.  More than happy to put it all if it was possible.  Tried to link too but you need 10k posts.

So the only other alternative a Godless person can see, is to leave it as a half truth of dissimulation.