Then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wPv0wA-UvE



Now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMg2uF4PASM

The second is a rather long video, but the bearded porker explaining why suicide bombers are the bees knees and why jihad must be taken to the West is well worth hearing. It starts at around 1:33:30.
Why it is wrong for Muslims to vote in elections is also explained.

These are our new New Australians.

The solution to this problems begins and ends with dealing with the "useful idiots" that allow and encourage this rubbish in Western countries.

The key word in the first video (which funnily enough starts with the very ship my family came to this country on; the "New Australian") is "planned" immigration. The problem today is that either there is no plan anymore (hence why they are letting anything from anywhere in), or the plan is for chaos. Whatever the case, the country is buggered beyond repair now.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 11:13pm:

The solution to this problems begins and ends with dealing with the "useful idiots" that allow and encourage this rubbish in Western countries.

Isn't that your solution to all problems, Mistie?

They got rid of the White Australia policy!

Big Donger wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:12pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 11:13pm: The solution to this problems begins and ends with dealing with the "useful idiots" that allow and encourage this rubbish in Western countries. Isn't that your solution to all problems, Mistie?

Who encourages fanatical Islam under the banners of 'tolerance' and 'equality'? The 'useful idiots' in our own countries, that's who. The Muslims in the video are just doing what Muslims do; there's nothing odd or strange about it; they're just being Muslims. Yet, speak out against it and watch the slogans of 'bigot', 'racist', 'fascist', and the like flow from the pen and mouth of 'useful idiots'.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:25pm:

Big Donger wrote on May 21st, 2013 at 12:12pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 11:13pm: The solution to this problems begins and ends with dealing with the "useful idiots" that allow and encourage this rubbish in Western countries. Isn't that your solution to all problems, Mistie? Who encourages fanatical Islam under the banners of 'tolerance' and 'equality'? The 'useful idiots' in our own countries, that's who. The Muslims in the video are just doing what Muslims do; there's nothing odd or strange about it; they're just being Muslims. Yet, speak out against it and watch the slogans of 'bigot', 'racist', 'fascist', and the like flow from the pen and mouth of 'useful idiots'.

Yes, I imagine it is very important to speak out against these people, Mistie. It saves us speaking out against ourselves. Can't do that - criticizing your own culture, innit.

It's a fundamental human right to be a bigot, racist, fascist.

^^^ The reply of a useful idiot.

And a re-reply by someone very useful - someone with a succinct, well-informed, inclusive and pragmatic solution for every problem.

The name's Mistie. Or Bolshie to his friends.

Big Donger wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 1:33pm:

succinct, well-informed, inclusive and pragmatic solution for every problem.

YAY! Everybody shall be included! That'll solve every problem!! (Coz, like, the problem is us, frien, always us, don't you know. Oh yes.)

We have no enemies, only friends whose grievances and peculiar convictions (rich tapestry, innit?) we haven't accommodated yet. They are not the enemy, they are misunderstood and feel undervalued. Lovely idea! Your own?

No, old chap, it’s the spirit of our marvellous Commonwealth. It’s the Diamond Jubilee this year. We all love Lizzie.

You wouldn’t understand. As a German, I mean. Still, you have your fuhrer, no?

Rich tapestry indeed.

Big Donger wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 10:47pm:

No, old chap, it’s the spirit of our marvellous Commonwealth. It’s the Diamond Jubilee this year. We all love Lizzie. You wouldn’t understand. As a German, I mean. Still, you have your fuhrer, no? Rich tapestry indeed.

Another load of grammelot, Pingu.
As always.

Sorry, old chap - a bit hard to follow. Your lips are pursed tighter than your wife’s anus. Might help to loosen them up a bit, eh?

That must have been some cheese tasting. One of the riper German ones, was it? Siemens?

Carry on.

Big Donger wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 12:13am:

Sorry, old chap - a bit hard to follow. Your lips are pursed tighter than your wife’s anus. Might help to loosen them up a bit, eh? That must have been some cheese tasting. One of the riper German ones, was it? Siemens? Carry on.

Thank you, Pingu, you are very good at gramelot.

Ah, my frien, it is a form of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth

The Paki Bvgger smiled (or at least so I believed) and, holding up one finger as in admonition, he said:

Penitenziagite! watch out for the draco who cometh in futurum to gnaw your anima! death is super nos! pray the santo pater come to liberar nos a malo and all our sin! ha ha, you like this negromanzia de domini nostri jesu christi! et anco jois m'es dols e plazer m'es dolors...cave el diabolo! semper lying in wait for me in some angulum to snap at my heels. but salvatore is not stupidus! bonum monsasterium, and aqui refectorium and pray to dominum nostrum. and the resto is not worth merda. amen. no?

  As this story continues, I shall have to speak again, and at length, of this creature and record his speech. I confess I find it very difficult to do so because I could not say now, as I could never understand then, what language he spoke. It was not Latin, in which the lettered men of the monastery expressed themselves, it was not the vulgar tongue of those parts, or any other I have heard. I believe I have given a faint idea of his manner of speech, reporting just now (as I remember them) the first words of his I heard. When I learned later about his adventurous life and about the various places where he had lived, putting down roots in none of them, I realized Paki Bvgger spoke all languages, and no language. Or, rather, he had invented for himself a language which used the sinews of the languages to which he had been exposed...

Big Donger wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:12pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 11:13pm: The solution to this problems begins and ends with dealing with the "useful idiots" that allow and encourage this rubbish in Western countries. Isn't that your solution to all problems, Mistie?

Let's not forget about the useless idiots.

Ah, Honky, you are a clever fellow - and Honky! Finally!

Friends, I am not racialist. Some of my best friends are honkies.

You are a Gudly honkie man. Hunky also.

You wouldn’t want your sister to marry one, but he’s tidy and organized, your honky. He puts the bins out on time. Won’t sh!t on the street. Wipes his bottom with paper if you please.

Socrates wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:16pm:

They got rid of the White Australia policy!

Yes and it was one of the best decisions our government ever made.

The White Australia Policy was untenable internationally.  The contradictions between the Australian Government criticising other governments for their treatment of non-White peoples and it's own was impossible to ignore.   Therefore, Aborigines had to be recognised as citizens and the White Australia Policy had to go.

It meant that we could catch up with the rest of the world which was rapidly moving away from racist policy towards more equitable ones.

How about introducing a Western, Liberal, Democratic Australia policy and excluding everyone who is a threat to it?

Soren wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

How about introducing a Western, Liberal, Democratic Australia policy and excluding everyone who is a threat to it?

That’s easy, old chap. Because sheisen-eating Huns like you would have to be rounded up and sent back to the heavily fortified, backward, dank ramparts you descended from - Schnell! Schnell!

Democratic, eh?

Shurely shome mishtake. Typo, was it?

Old boy correction: anti-democratic.

Much better.

Soren wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

How about introducing a Western, Liberal, Democratic Australia policy and excluding everyone who is a threat to it?

Have to kick you out, Soren.  You don't understand the meaning of the word "liberal".   ::)

The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow his/her own culture by force. Actually, from this view, the white racists and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty.

Bowen wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:14am:

The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow his/her own culture by force. Actually, from this view, the white racists and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty.

Yes, this is a point the old boys and knuckleheads just can’t get their heads around. Whenever you point out the similarity of the knucklehead and Musel world views, the argument shifts in two ways:

1. Hommersexual rights.
2. Great inventions.

The old boys, you see, love to champion the rights of our gay brothers and sisters, and they yearn for technological change and innovation. One of their ancestors invented a stick - something of which they are very proud. This points to the supremacy of their superior genes.

Bowen wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:14am:

The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow his/her own culture by force.

No.

But they can cut your throat if you don't, especially if the cutting of throats has been 'legitimized' in their philosophy/culture.




"Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must."
Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian




"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."
Frederic Bastiat




"If you want to know a man's character, give him power."
Abraham Lincoln








Quote:

Actually, from this view, the white racists and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty.

Yes.

There is no difference between ISLAM, and democracy.

There is no difference between ISLAM, and freedom.

There is no difference between ISLAM, and Christianity.

Everything, is the same as everything else.

And of course, there is a moral equivalence between all of the philosophies/cultures that have been embraced by men.





Eeeeeediot.






Proverbs 9:6
Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.


Psalms 1:5
Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6  For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.


Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:




The way of the wicked.....

Job 8:13
So are the paths of all that forget God; and the hypocrite's hope shall perish:
14  Whose hope shall be cut off, and whose trust shall be a spider's web.
15  He shall lean upon his house, but it shall not stand: he shall hold it fast, but it shall not endure.

Bowen wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:14am:

The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow his/her own culture by force. Actually, from this view, the white racists and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty.

The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow Bowen's own ideas by force. Actually, from this view, Bowen and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty.

The liberty argument is a dumb one.
Everyone wants others to absorb and abide by their views; everyone has a set of morals that they believe others ought to follow.

The most hypocritical people are the ones who argue for "freedom." 

Did I force you to follow my ideas by force? Did I beat you or threaten you like white racists and extreme Muslims did?


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:14am: The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow his/her own culture by force. Actually, from this view, the white racists and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty. The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow Bowen's own ideas by force. Actually, from this view, Bowen and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty.

That's what I am talking about. White racists and extreme Muslims attack or threaten to attack to force others follow their own value/culture.

The law should stop both of them.



Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:17am:

Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:14am: The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow his/her own culture by force. No. But they can cut your throat if you don't, especially if the cutting of throats has been 'legitimized' in their philosophy/culture. "Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must." Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat "If you want to know a man's character, give him power." Abraham Lincoln Quote: Actually, from this view, the white racists and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty. Yes. There is no difference between ISLAM, and democracy. There is no difference between ISLAM, and freedom. There is no difference between ISLAM, and Christianity. Everything, is the same as everything else. And of course, there is a moral equivalence between all of the philosophies/cultures that have been embraced by men. Eeeeeediot. Proverbs 9:6 Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding. Psalms 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6  For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: The way of the wicked..... Job 8:13 So are the paths of all that forget God; and the hypocrite's hope shall perish: 14  Whose hope shall be cut off, and whose trust shall be a spider's web. 15  He shall lean upon his house, but it shall not stand: he shall hold it fast, but it shall not endure.

Bowen wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

Did I force you to follow my ideas by force? Did I beat you or threaten you like white racists and extreme Muslims did? Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:17pm: Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:14am: The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow his/her own culture by force. Actually, from this view, the white racists and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty. The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow Bowen's own ideas by force. Actually, from this view, Bowen and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty.

When was the last time 'white power' groups in Australia went around beating up non-white folk?

Bowen wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

That's what I am talking about. White racists and extreme Muslims attack or threaten to attack to force others follow their own value/culture.

Same issue as always. If you don't like Australian culture, don't come to Australia. How hard is it to get?

Don't like rugby league? Don't join the local rugby club and complain about the game.

How many years until the penny drops? (Although you probably don't even know what that means. It would require learning something about the country you are living in.) 


Quote:

The law should stop both of them.

Yes, that's right. We should have laws to impose freedom. Only through forcing all white Australians to abandon their culture and learn Chinese will we have true freedom. Otherwise we will have a ssseparwated sssosciety.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 3:21pm:

The liberty argument is a dumb one. Everyone wants others to absorb and abide by their views; everyone has a set of morals that they believe others ought to follow. The most hypocritical people are the ones who argue for "freedom."

The most hypocritical people are the ones who argue for "freedom."

IMO,
The most hypocritical people are the ones who argue for "freedom", without self-responsibility or self-restraint.

what went wrong?





Ranking Ethics
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1292918320/24#24

Quote:

IMO, there is probably nothing more unethical in the world today, than the 'humanist' worldview, and those who promote so called liberal 'ethics'. IMO, this generation of mankind has lost the ability to discern between good and evil. The Judeao-Christian standards and morality, that guided our present culture in its formative period, has been almost entirely abandoned. Why is that? Just take a moment, and look at the total moral mess the Western world is in today. IMO, this is the consequence largely, of the influence of 'academics' and godless social 'theorists'! IMO, almost all of the 'humanist', and social engineering type areas of academia, are clearly, divorced from reality. They are living in a la-la-land, and are unethically ignoring the consequences of their own mistaken social experiments. They are engrossed in a politically correct idiocy, which is a denial of the real world consequences of their own moral 'inadequacy'. i.e. These people who promote 'humanist values' are totally, morally corrupt, and they seem to exhibit a hatred for truth. And why? Because the truth confronts and exposes the error of their claptrap [<--- that's a technical term] social theories. Humanist, and liberal ethics seem embrace an idea, and want to teach us, that man is naturally good. Today, our children are taught that it is wrong to try to 'discriminate' between good and evil, and to reject what is evil. Today, they and we, are taught that, essentially, good and evil do not exist. And we are taught that all people are equally like us. Today, those who abandon standards, and moral discernment are said to be 'tolerant'. And we are taught that to differentiate the merits of different cultures, is wrong, and 'racist'. IMO, refusing to condemn the wicked, so as to 'avoid conflict', and so as to promote 'social harmony', is not an ethical position. It is idiocy. IMO, 'humanism', teaches mankind, to abandon all spiritual discernment. IMO, such a position, teaches mankind, to embrace an empty, worldly, 'humanist' 'value' system, a 'religion', a political system, which uses the authority of a false 'righteousness', to rule over a 'blind', worldly directed mankind, imo. 'Humanism' spiritually guts us, imo. We are taught, to abandon all spiritual discernment, and instead, embrace an 'empty', worldly 'value' system. And 'humanism' often seeks to puff up our self pride, but leaves us without any discernment, and without a moral compass and without any spiritual hope. We are spiritually, dumbed down by 'humanist' values. And it is intentional 'end game', imo.

Australian Culture is not defined by you. Australian culture is composed by multiple cultures not white culture only.

I already came to Australia. I have the same right to say what is Australian culture as you.

I won't force you to follow my culture and you have no rights to force me to follow your culture. Be aware, your culture is not Australian culture but only a part of Australian culture.


Quantum wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 4:46pm:

Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:55pm: That's what I am talking about. White racists and extreme Muslims attack or threaten to attack to force others follow their own value/culture. Same issue as always. If you don't like Australian culture, don't come to Australia. How hard is it to get? Don't like rugby league? Don't join the local rugby club and complain about the game. How many years until the penny drops? (Although you probably don't even know what that means. It would require learning something about the country you are living in.)  Quote: The law should stop both of them. Yes, that's right. We should have laws to impose freedom. Only through forcing all white Australians to abandon their culture and learn Chinese will we have true freedom. Otherwise we will have a ssseparwated sssosciety.

Didn't you read the news? Do you remember the french girl on the bus of Melbourne several months ago? And the Asian victims attacked by racists on the train of Sydney last year.


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 4:42pm:

Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:51pm: Did I force you to follow my ideas by force? Did I beat you or threaten you like white racists and extreme Muslims did? Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:17pm: Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:14am: The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow his/her own culture by force. Actually, from this view, the white racists and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty. The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow Bowen's own ideas by force. Actually, from this view, Bowen and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty. When was the last time 'white power' groups in Australia went around beating up non-white folk?

I believe there is a misunderstanding or some racists try to mislead others. They use extreme Muslims as the bad examples of multiculturalism. But the problem is extreme Muslims show no multiculturalism. Actually, they are against multiculturalism as white racists.

The pre-condition of multiculturalism is peace. Everybody have the rights to live in their own culture, but the border of the rights is they have to live in peace. Multiculturalism is right. At the same time, the law should guarantee the people of different cultures live together in peace.

Bowen wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:12pm:

Australian Culture is not defined by you. Australian culture is composed by multiple cultures not white culture only. I already came to Australia. I have the same right to say what is Australian culture as you. I won't force you to follow my culture and you have no rights to force me to follow your culture. Be aware, your culture is not Australian culture but only a part of Australian culture.

The Australia of today, is not the Australia that it was, yesterday.

Australia, once, was a 'diamond', among nations.

And many people, around the world, recognised how 'precious' Australia culture was [i am talking about pre 1950-60].

Today, Australia is rapidly becoming a container of diluted sewage, imo.





Quote:

"IMO, if we join what is precious with what is vile, we do not in that act, 'improve' that which is vile. We merely corrupt that which is precious..... .....e.g. I have two buckets. The first bucket is full of clean, fresh water. The second bucket is full of sewage. Q. If i pour both buckets into a third container, what do i get? A. A third container, full of diluted sewage. Conclusion? While i could safely drink from the 1st bucket, i could *not* safely drink from the 2nd bucket, or the 3rd container. So it is with evil, that is 'tolerated' by good people. No matter how many times we repeat the phrase, "Tolerance is good.", ...our tolerance of what is clearly evil, is not a virtue. It is a process, a progression."

Yadda explains 'Universality' i.e. 'humanism'
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1299665041/55#55

and...
an eye-opening analysis of terrorism in Europe
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294223444/30#30

Before the period you told about, the culture in Australia was Aboriginal culture in several thousands years.

The culture always change because the people in Australia always change. You can not chose only a 100-years-period in the history to prove Australian culture is white culture. Australian culture was not only white culture, is not only white culture and will be not only white culture.

BTW, for most of the people of this world including me, the culture in Australia in 1950s and the White Australia Policy is not precious but criminal and shame. It is against human rights and liberty. It's the dark period in the history of Australia.


Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:12pm: Australian Culture is not defined by you. Australian culture is composed by multiple cultures not white culture only. I already came to Australia. I have the same right to say what is Australian culture as you. I won't force you to follow my culture and you have no rights to force me to follow your culture. Be aware, your culture is not Australian culture but only a part of Australian culture. The Australia of today, is not the Australia that it was, yesterday. Australia, once, was a 'diamond', among nations. And many people, around the world, recognised how 'precious' Australia culture was [i am talking about pre 1950-60]. Today, Australia is rapidly becoming a container of diluted sewage, imo. Quote: "IMO, if we join what is precious with what is vile, we do not in that act, 'improve' that which is vile. We merely corrupt that which is precious..... .....e.g. I have two buckets. The first bucket is full of clean, fresh water. The second bucket is full of sewage. Q. If i pour both buckets into a third container, what do i get? A. A third container, full of diluted sewage. Conclusion? While i could safely drink from the 1st bucket, i could *not* safely drink from the 2nd bucket, or the 3rd container. So it is with evil, that is 'tolerated' by good people. No matter how many times we repeat the phrase, "Tolerance is good.", ...our tolerance of what is clearly evil, is not a virtue. It is a process, a progression." Yadda explains 'Universality' i.e. 'humanism' http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1299665041/55#55 and... an eye-opening analysis of terrorism in Europe http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294223444/30#30

Bowen wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:17pm:

Didn't you read the news? Do you remember the french girl on the bus of Melbourne several months ago? And the Asian victims attacked by racists on the train of Sydney last year. Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 4:42pm: Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:51pm: Did I force you to follow my ideas by force? Did I beat you or threaten you like white racists and extreme Muslims did? Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:17pm: Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:14am: The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow his/her own culture by force. Actually, from this view, the white racists and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty. The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow Bowen's own ideas by force. Actually, from this view, Bowen and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty. When was the last time 'white power' groups in Australia went around beating up non-white folk?

Those French people were white, so I don't know how racism comes into it.

If you want to experience some real racism, hang out in western Sydney train stations at night or around Lakemba and Bankstown. The Middle Easterners will show you some real racial brutality, not this softcock stuff the 'racist' whites do. Then try some of the parks in country towns around Australia at night. I am sure the local drunken Aboriginials will treat you to a good time with a few broken beer bottles over the face.

Bowen wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

ists. The pre-condition of multiculturalism is peace. Everybody have the rights to live in their own culture, but the border of the rights is they have to live in peace. Multiculturalism is right. At the same time, the law should guarantee the people of different cultures live together in peace.

Multiculturalism is only a right if the laws of the government make it so. Even then, the host culture is never happy (by unhappy I mean the mass of people and not the faceless bureaucrats who devise these types of things) that it has to deflate its own importance to accommodate other cultures. It's why there is always friction in multicultural societies between cultures. It's why we're having this conversation right now.

An Asian passenger was hard wounded by several white racists on the train of Sydney last year.

The french girl is white but the racists threaten her to speak English instead of French. Some extreme racists hate any other culture. 

I agree the extreme Muslims are racists too. I am against both the white racists and the Islamic racists.




Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:33pm:

Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:17pm: Didn't you read the news? Do you remember the french girl on the bus of Melbourne several months ago? And the Asian victims attacked by racists on the train of Sydney last year. Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 4:42pm: Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:51pm: Did I force you to follow my ideas by force? Did I beat you or threaten you like white racists and extreme Muslims did? Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 3:17pm: Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:14am: The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow his/her own culture by force. Actually, from this view, the white racists and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty. The bottom line is that no one can force others to follow Bowen's own ideas by force. Actually, from this view, Bowen and extreme Muslims are same. Both of them are against liberty. When was the last time 'white power' groups in Australia went around beating up non-white folk? Those French people were white, so I don't know how racism comes into it. If you want to experience some real racism, hang out in western Sydney train stations at night or around Lakemba and Bankstown. The Middle Easterners will show you some real racial brutality, not this softcock stuff the 'racist' whites do. Then try some of the parks in country towns around Australia at night. I am sure the local drunken Aboriginials will treat you to a good time with a few broken beer bottles over the face.

You are wrong. Living in one's own culture is the human rights. It's a part of the freedom of religion. If the law is against multiculturalism, it's against human rights.

The basic human rights is higher than the law of a particular country. Otherwise why we are against Taliban practice the Islamic law in their own country? Why we are against Hitler butcher Jew in Germany? And what are universal values？

Do you believe there are universal values？


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:40pm:

Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:38pm: ists. The pre-condition of multiculturalism is peace. Everybody have the rights to live in their own culture, but the border of the rights is they have to live in peace. Multiculturalism is right. At the same time, the law should guarantee the people of different cultures live together in peace. Multiculturalism is only a right if the laws of the government make it so. Even then, the host culture is never happy (by unhappy I mean the mass of people and not the faceless bureaucrats who devise these types of things) that it has to deflate its own importance to accommodate other cultures. It's why there is always friction in multicultural societies between cultures. It's why we're having this conversation right now.

Bowen wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:54pm:

You are wrong. Living in one's own culture is the human rights. It's a part of the freedom of religion. If the law is against multiculturalism, it's against human rights. The basic human rights is higher than the law of a particular country. Otherwise why we are against Taliban practice the Islamic law in their own country? And what is universal values？ Do you believe there are universal values？ Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:40pm: Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:38pm: ists. The pre-condition of multiculturalism is peace. Everybody have the rights to live in their own culture, but the border of the rights is they have to live in peace. Multiculturalism is right. At the same time, the law should guarantee the people of different cultures live together in peace. Multiculturalism is only a right if the laws of the government make it so. Even then, the host culture is never happy (by unhappy I mean the mass of people and not the faceless bureaucrats who devise these types of things) that it has to deflate its own importance to accommodate other cultures. It's why there is always friction in multicultural societies between cultures. It's why we're having this conversation right now.

There's a problem here.

"Living in one's own culture is a human right."

But whites wanting to live in their culture is racist.

Hmmm ... something just doesn't add up.

White can live in their own culture. At the same time, their neighbor have the rights to live in their own culture too.

You live in your own culture is your human right, but if you force your neighbor to live in your culture, you are a racist.

When you talk about living in your own culture, it doesn't mean your neighbor have to live in your culture too.


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:59pm:

Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:54pm: You are wrong. Living in one's own culture is the human rights. It's a part of the freedom of religion. If the law is against multiculturalism, it's against human rights. The basic human rights is higher than the law of a particular country. Otherwise why we are against Taliban practice the Islamic law in their own country? And what is universal values？ Do you believe there are universal values？ Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:40pm: Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:38pm: ists. The pre-condition of multiculturalism is peace. Everybody have the rights to live in their own culture, but the border of the rights is they have to live in peace. Multiculturalism is right. At the same time, the law should guarantee the people of different cultures live together in peace. Multiculturalism is only a right if the laws of the government make it so. Even then, the host culture is never happy (by unhappy I mean the mass of people and not the faceless bureaucrats who devise these types of things) that it has to deflate its own importance to accommodate other cultures. It's why there is always friction in multicultural societies between cultures. It's why we're having this conversation right now. There's a problem here. "Living in one's own culture is a human right." But whites wanting to live in their culture is racist. Hmmm ... something just doesn't add up.

China = Chinese culture
India = Indian culture
Saudi Arabia = Islamic culture
Etc

Australia = total clusterfvck of everything above.

According to you Australia doesn't have it's own culture. It just has many people from all around the world living by the culture that they bring from their home land. We have to respect their culture that they bring from their nation and not force them to assimilate into our ways. Of course this only applies to western nations. The examples above are free to keep living by their cultural traditions.

Seriously Bowen... You're a fvckwit. And it is buggers like you who create white supremacists.

This attitude that it is ok for you to come to our country and preserve your cultural identity at the cost of our own culture is what pisses people off. You only have to look at Europe to see the end result of multiculturalism. White Australians are getting sick of foreigners coming here and telling us that we don't have our own culture. We do, and we are sick of people like you coming here and telling us that we don't. We are also sick of people like you demanding respect for your culture while showing nothing but disrespect towards ours. You come here and then claim that you can tell us how our nation will be run and that we don't get a say.

Again, it is people like you that creates the racial tension. It is nothing more than the psychological equivalent of; every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The more pro Chinese you are, the more pro white Australian attitude you are going to get back.

Australia is not at the west of the earth. Why Australia is a "western country"?

Australia is an immigration country. Both you and me are immigration or the close progeny of immigration.

And you are wrong, religion/culture tolerance is not only in "western countries". You can live in your own culture in Singapore, Hongkong region, Taiwan region or even in mainland China. When western countries were burning heretics, all different religions were spreading in China. From the political aspect, China is an authoritarian country. But Chinese people don't force you to change your culture.

You can ask the white people living in China. Is there anybody force them to change their culture?


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 12:47am:

China = Chinese culture India = Indian culture Saudi Arabia = Islamic culture Etc Australia = total clusterfvck of everything above. According to you Australia doesn't have it's own culture. It just has many people from all around the world living by the culture that they bring from their home land. We have to respect their culture that they bring from their nation and not force them to assimilate into our ways. Of course this only applies to western nations. The examples above are free to keep living by their cultural traditions. Seriously Bowen... You're a fvckwit. And it is buggers like you who create white supremacists. This attitude that it is ok for you to come to our country and preserve your cultural identity at the cost of our own culture is what pisses people off. You only have to look at Europe to see the end result of multiculturalism. White Australians are getting sick of foreigners coming here and telling us that we don't have our own culture. We do, and we are sick of people like you coming here and telling us that we don't. We are also sick of people like you demanding respect for your culture while showing nothing but disrespect towards ours. You come here and then claim that you can tell us how our nation will be run and that we don't get a say. Again, it is people like you that creates the racial tension. It is nothing more than the psychological equivalent of; every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The more pro Chinese you are, the more pro white Australian attitude you are going to get back.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 6:43am:

Australia is not at the west of the earth. Why Australia is a "western country"? Australia is an immigration country. Both you and me are immigration or the close progeny of immigration.

I suggest you read some history. Australia is very much a Western country, particularly descended from the traditions of the British: From the language, its politics, its laws, religion, to humour.

Australia was not a "western country" in thousands of years before white intruders came to Australia. The history you told about is only the history written by white people. It's only a moment in the history of the Australia mainland.

Let us imagine, if the extreme Muslims kill all others or drive all others away including you and me to practice Islam law in Australia. Then they claim, Australia is a Muslim country. What do you think? That's what exactly the white intruders did.




Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 9:32am:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 6:43am: Australia is not at the west of the earth. Why Australia is a "western country"? Australia is an immigration country. Both you and me are immigration or the close progeny of immigration. I suggest you read some history. Australia is very much a Western country, particularly descended from the traditions of the British: From the language, its politics, its laws, religion, to humour.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:22am:

Australia was not a "western country" in thousands of years before white intruders came to Australia. The history you told about is only the history written by white people. It's only a moment in the history of the Australia mainland. Let us imagine, if the extreme Muslims kill all others or drive all others away including you and me to practice Islam law in Australia. Then they claim, Australia is a Muslim country. What do you think? That's what exactly the white intruders did. Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 9:32am: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 6:43am: Australia is not at the west of the earth. Why Australia is a "western country"? Australia is an immigration country. Both you and me are immigration or the close progeny of immigration. I suggest you read some history. Australia is very much a Western country, particularly descended from the traditions of the British: From the language, its politics, its laws, religion, to humour.

The British "diversified" and "culturally enriched" Australia. Are you some kind of racist?

The culture diversify and enriching of culture is a continue process. But this process should not be by force and slaughter.

I came to Australia. I diversified and enriched the culture of Australia too. But I came here in peace by an equal deal. It's the difference between me and the white intruders.

I am not a racist. I can live with white people without any problem if they do not force me to change my culture. And I never force others to change their own culture.


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:45am:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 10:22am: Australia was not a "western country" in thousands of years before white intruders came to Australia. The history you told about is only the history written by white people. It's only a moment in the history of the Australia mainland. Let us imagine, if the extreme Muslims kill all others or drive all others away including you and me to practice Islam law in Australia. Then they claim, Australia is a Muslim country. What do you think? That's what exactly the white intruders did. Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 9:32am: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 6:43am: Australia is not at the west of the earth. Why Australia is a "western country"? Australia is an immigration country. Both you and me are immigration or the close progeny of immigration. I suggest you read some history. Australia is very much a Western country, particularly descended from the traditions of the British: From the language, its politics, its laws, religion, to humour. The British "diversified" and "culturally enriched" Australia. Are you some kind of racist?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:59pm:

Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:54pm: You are wrong. Living in one's own culture is the human rights. It's a part of the freedom of religion. If the law is against multiculturalism, it's against human rights. The basic human rights is higher than the law of a particular country. Otherwise why we are against Taliban practice the Islamic law in their own country? And what is universal values？ Do you believe there are universal values？ Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:40pm: Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:38pm: ists. The pre-condition of multiculturalism is peace. Everybody have the rights to live in their own culture, but the border of the rights is they have to live in peace. Multiculturalism is right. At the same time, the law should guarantee the people of different cultures live together in peace. Multiculturalism is only a right if the laws of the government make it so. Even then, the host culture is never happy (by unhappy I mean the mass of people and not the faceless bureaucrats who devise these types of things) that it has to deflate its own importance to accommodate other cultures. It's why there is always friction in multicultural societies between cultures. It's why we're having this conversation right now. There's a problem here. "Living in one's own culture is a human right." But whites wanting to live in their culture is racist.

Well spotted, Morning Mist!!        ;)







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Hmmm ... something just doesn't add up.

Its called blatant cultural hypocrisy.




If you are black [or a moslem], and call me a white [Aussie] c*nt,     i must 'bear it' and be tolerant.

But if i call you a black bast ard, for burglarising my house, i'm a racist.

Did I call you white c*nt? BTW, what is c*nt?


Yadda wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:11am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:59pm: Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:54pm: You are wrong. Living in one's own culture is the human rights. It's a part of the freedom of religion. If the law is against multiculturalism, it's against human rights. The basic human rights is higher than the law of a particular country. Otherwise why we are against Taliban practice the Islamic law in their own country? And what is universal values？ Do you believe there are universal values？ Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 11:40pm: Bowen wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:38pm: ists. The pre-condition of multiculturalism is peace. Everybody have the rights to live in their own culture, but the border of the rights is they have to live in peace. Multiculturalism is right. At the same time, the law should guarantee the people of different cultures live together in peace. Multiculturalism is only a right if the laws of the government make it so. Even then, the host culture is never happy (by unhappy I mean the mass of people and not the faceless bureaucrats who devise these types of things) that it has to deflate its own importance to accommodate other cultures. It's why there is always friction in multicultural societies between cultures. It's why we're having this conversation right now. There's a problem here. "Living in one's own culture is a human right." But whites wanting to live in their culture is racist. Well spotted, Morning Mist!!        ;) Quote: Hmmm ... something just doesn't add up. Its called blatant cultural hypocrisy. If you call me a white c*nt,     i must 'bear it' and be tolerant. But if i call you a black bast ard, for burglarising my house, i'm a racist.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:14am:

BTW, what is c*nt?

bowen,

A    c*nt,      ....is a front bottom.

I know that will help you, in understanding of the idioms of teh English language.         :P

I agree, your explanation is helpful.

I believe both "white c*nt" and "black bastard" should be censured.

But, none of this can be the reason that forcing others to change their culture if they are living in peace.


Yadda wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:22am:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:14am: BTW, what is c*nt? bowen, A    c*nt,      ....is a front bottom. I know that will help you, in understanding of the idioms of teh English language.         :P

But they arent living in peace. Middle eastern immigration has been an abysmal failure in this country and everywhere else. Why on earth are we bringing a regressive culture into this country which refuses to change its entrenched attitudes which our culture left behind centuries ago?

If they are not living in peace, the law should stop them no matter if they are white racists or extreme Muslims. And this is not against the Multiculturalism. This is the protection to the Multicultural society.


ian wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 12:49pm:

But they arent living in peace. Middle eastern immigration has been an abysmal failure in this country and everywhere else. Why on earth are we bringing a regressive culture into this country which refuses to change its entrenched attitudes which our culture left behind centuries ago?

ian wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 12:49pm:

But they arent living in peace. Middle eastern immigration has been an abysmal failure in this country and everywhere else. Why on earth are we bringing a regressive culture into this country which refuses to change its entrenched attitudes which our culture left behind centuries ago?

Well, I think we've managed quite well bringing other repressive cultures such as Christianity, Communism, Naziism, etc. and we've all managed to accept one another.  Plenty of ex-Nazis, ex-Communists have migrated to Australia and the place is absolutely covered in Christians!   :D :D :D :D

Do you think Nazis, Communists can live in peace? If they can, they are not Nazis and Communists.

In the history, Christians killed many people only because the different belief. From the aspect of culture, I don't think there is essential difference between Christians and Muslims. Both of them believe their god is the only real god. And all others are wrong. Both of them, at least part of them want to sacrifice or want others to sacrifice for their god.



|dev|null wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 2:31pm:

ian wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 12:49pm: But they arent living in peace. Middle eastern immigration has been an abysmal failure in this country and everywhere else. Why on earth are we bringing a regressive culture into this country which refuses to change its entrenched attitudes which our culture left behind centuries ago? Well, I think we've managed quite well bringing other repressive cultures such as Christianity, Communism, Naziism, etc. and we've all managed to accept one another.  Plenty of ex-Nazis, ex-Communists have migrated to Australia and the place is absolutely covered in Christians!   :D :D :D :D

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 2:45pm:

Do you think Nazis, Communists can live in peace? From the aspect of culture, I don't think there is essential difference between Christians and Muslims. Both of them believe their god is the only real god. And all others are wrong. Both of them, at least part of them want to sacrifice for their god.

Then why come to Australia? Why not move to Saudi Arabia? What's the difference?

Why English people go to America? Because the king of British could not give them liberty.

Australia is a new world for everybody. And I made an equal deal with the government of Australia. Australia need my skills and technology, I need the liberty and human rights. And the government of Australia told me Australia is a secular country with　multicultural society. The freedom of religion will be respected.




Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 2:49pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 2:45pm: Do you think Nazis, Communists can live in peace? From the aspect of culture, I don't think there is essential difference between Christians and Muslims. Both of them believe their god is the only real god. And all others are wrong. Both of them, at least part of them want to sacrifice for their god. Then why come to Australia? Why not move to Saudi Arabia? What's the difference?

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Why English people go to America? Because the king of British could not give them liberty. Australia is a new world for everybody.

You don't walk into someone's house and claim that it is now a public gathering spot. Australia belongs to Australians. It does not have an open door to everyone on earth.


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And I made an equal deal with the government of Australia. Australia need my skills and technology, I need the liberty and human rights. And the government of Australia told me Australia is a secular country with　multicultural society. The freedom of religion will be respected.

No we don't. We don't need your claimed skills (skills that you refuse to talk about).

I'm sure however than there are many other nations that do need your skills (whatever they are). Why don't you go there and share your skills with them?

It was exactly white intruders "walk into someone's house and claim that it is now their house".

I came to Australia as a technology immigrant. You are not Australia, you are only one man in Australia as me, what you said can not change the truth.

When you said "We don't need your claimed skills", it's same to that I ask you to "get back to Europe". It's nothing.

Based on your logic, I am an Australian now. If you don't like me, why not you go to other country? You may try to find a country that they need racists.


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 3:19pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 2:59pm: Why English people go to America? Because the king of British could not give them liberty. Australia is a new world for everybody. You don't walk into someone's house and claim that it is now a public gathering spot. Australia belongs to Australians. It does not have an open door to everyone on earth. Quote: And I made an equal deal with the government of Australia. Australia need my skills and technology, I need the liberty and human rights. And the government of Australia told me Australia is a secular country with　multicultural society. The freedom of religion will be respected. No we don't. We don't need your claimed skills (skills that you refuse to talk about). I'm sure however than there are many other nations that do need your skills (whatever they are). Why don't you go there and share your skills with them?

Big Donger wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 12:13am:

Your lips are pursed tighter than your wife’s anus.

Actually, it's not that tight.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 3:33pm:

It was white intruders "walk into someone's house and claim that it is now their house". I came to Australia as a technology immigrant. You are not Australia, you are only one man in Australia as me, what you said can not change the truth. When you said "We don't need your claimed skills", it's same to that I ask you to "get back to Europe". It's nothing. Based on your logic, I am an Australian now. If you don't like me, why not you go to other country? You may try to find a country that they need racists. Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 3:19pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 2:59pm: Why English people go to America? Because the king of British could not give them liberty. Australia is a new world for everybody. You don't walk into someone's house and claim that it is now a public gathering spot. Australia belongs to Australians. It does not have an open door to everyone on earth. Quote: And I made an equal deal with the government of Australia. Australia need my skills and technology, I need the liberty and human rights. And the government of Australia told me Australia is a secular country with　multicultural society. The freedom of religion will be respected. No we don't. We don't need your claimed skills (skills that you refuse to talk about). I'm sure however than there are many other nations that do need your skills (whatever they are). Why don't you go there and share your skills with them?

I was born in Australia, not Europe. Why do you say I should go back to Europe? Just because I'm white? Raccccccccccccccist!!!

You still haven't answered the question. You claim Muslims and Christians are the same and as Intolerant of others as each other. You claim you came to Australia to share your skills and make Australia better by bring your culture with you.

So why didn't you go to an Islamic country? Particularly one less advance that could use your special skills and one which is not multicultural already so that you could add the diversity you bring to their nation. Why come to a country more advanced than your own that is already filled with people from your country living just like they would in their own country? Why not go to a country that needs you?

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 2:22pm:

If they are not living in peace, the law should stop them no matter if they are white racists or extreme Muslims. And this is not against the Multiculturalism. This is the protection to the Multicultural society. ian wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 12:49pm: But they arent living in peace. Middle eastern immigration has been an abysmal failure in this country and everywhere else. Why on earth are we bringing a regressive culture into this country which refuses to change its entrenched attitudes which our culture left behind centuries ago?

Arrogant and ridiculous statement. Why should we import migrants only to fill our prisons with them? And I certainly dont see the argument that being a multicultural country the predominant culture (anglo saxon) should then corrupt their culture to suit migrants. We are offering migrants what has been decribed as a "glittering prize " of australian citizenship. Which to most of the world it most definitely is. Be grateful, assimilate or nick off back to whatever war torn cesspool you think has so much more of a superior culture to ours.

My son was born in Australia several months ago. I ask you to go back to Europe because you ask me to leave Australia. Racist

I answered the question, but you ignored. Australia is a new world. Most people living in Australia are immigrants or their close progeny like me and my son.

I won't migrant to the Islam countries．Similarly I won't migrant to England either.



Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 3:33pm: It was white intruders "walk into someone's house and claim that it is now their house". I came to Australia as a technology immigrant. You are not Australia, you are only one man in Australia as me, what you said can not change the truth. When you said "We don't need your claimed skills", it's same to that I ask you to "get back to Europe". It's nothing. Based on your logic, I am an Australian now. If you don't like me, why not you go to other country? You may try to find a country that they need racists. Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 3:19pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 2:59pm: Why English people go to America? Because the king of British could not give them liberty. Australia is a new world for everybody. You don't walk into someone's house and claim that it is now a public gathering spot. Australia belongs to Australians. It does not have an open door to everyone on earth. Quote: And I made an equal deal with the government of Australia. Australia need my skills and technology, I need the liberty and human rights. And the government of Australia told me Australia is a secular country with　multicultural society. The freedom of religion will be respected. No we don't. We don't need your claimed skills (skills that you refuse to talk about). I'm sure however than there are many other nations that do need your skills (whatever they are). Why don't you go there and share your skills with them? I was born in Australia, not Europe. Why do you say I should go back to Europe? Just because I'm white? Raccccccccccccccist!!! You still haven't answered the question. You claim Muslims and Christians are the same and as Intolerant of others as each other. You claim you came to Australia to share your skills and make Australia better by bring your culture with you. So why didn't you go to an Islamic country? Particularly one less advance that could use your special skills and one which is not multicultural already so that you could add the diversity you bring to their nation. Why come to a country more advanced than your own that is already filled with people from your country living just like they would in their own country? Why not go to a country that needs you?

Arrogant and ridiculous, it's exactly fit for you. When you claim the migrants fill the prison, you forget the ancestors of many Australian were prisoners.

There are many great migrants. Why you only focus on the prisoners?


ian wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 3:49pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 2:22pm: If they are not living in peace, the law should stop them no matter if they are white racists or extreme Muslims. And this is not against the Multiculturalism. This is the protection to the Multicultural society. ian wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 12:49pm: But they arent living in peace. Middle eastern immigration has been an abysmal failure in this country and everywhere else. Why on earth are we bringing a regressive culture into this country which refuses to change its entrenched attitudes which our culture left behind centuries ago? Arrogant and ridiculous statement. Why should we import migrants only to fill our prisons with them? And I certainly dont see the argument that being a multicultural country the predominant culture (anglo saxon) should then corrupt their culture to suit migrants. We are offering migrants what has been decribed as a "glittering prize " of australian citizenship. Which to most of the world it most definitely is. Be grateful, assimilate or nick off back to whatever war torn cesspool you think has so much more of a superior culture to ours.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 4:29pm:

My son was born in Australia several months ago.

Congratulations on your anchor baby. You probably got the damn baby bonus as well.


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I ask you to go back to Europe because you ask me to leave Australia. Racist

I didn't tell you to leave because your have slant eyes. I asked why you didn't go to another country since what you have to offer Australia doesn't need and there are plenty of other nations that do.

I also asked based on the fact that you have no respect for Australian culture and clearly hate white people. But as always you think everyone else is a racist.


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I answered the question, but you ignored. Australia is a new world. Most people living in Australia are immigrants or their close progeny like me and my son. I won't migrant to the Islam countries．Similarly I won't migrant to England either.

Who declared Australia a new world open to all? You?

Funny that you won't go to England but you will come here? Of all the nations on earth you come to a country the most like England in law, culture, etc. Not Saudi Arabia, not Brazil, or Zimbabwe... But instead you come to Australia, the daughter of England. Unreal.

Australian government told me Australia need my skills. I believed them. That's all.

And I don't hate white people when they are not racists and respect my culture as I respect their culture. Australian culture is composed by multiple cultures including your culture and my culture. If you respect my culture, I respect your culture too.

Australia is an immigrant country, quite different from the traditional countries like England, China or Egypt. Most of the people living in Australia are migrants not aborigines. It's one of the important reasons I choose Australia.



Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 4:29pm: My son was born in Australia several months ago. Congratulations on your anchor baby. You probably got the damn baby bonus as well. Quote: I ask you to go back to Europe because you ask me to leave Australia. Racist I didn't tell you to leave because your have slant eyes. I asked why you didn't go to another country since what you have to offer Australia doesn't need and there are plenty of other nations that do. I also asked based on the fact that you have no respect for Australian culture and clearly hate white people. But as always you think everyone else is a racist. [quote]I answered the question, but you ignored. Australia is a new world. Most people living in Australia are immigrants or their close progeny like me and my son. I won't migrant to the Islam countries．Similarly I won't migrant to England either.

Who declared Australia a new world open to all? You?

Funny that you won't go to England but you will come here? Of all the nations on earth you come to a country the most like England in law, culture, etc. Not Saudi Arabia, not Brazil, or Zimbabwe... But instead you come to Australia, the daughter of England. Unreal.
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Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 5:17pm:

Australian government told me Australia need my skills. I believed them. That's all. And I don't hate white people when they are not racists and respect my culture as I respect their culture. Australian culture is composed by multiple cultures including your culture and my culture. If you respect my culture, I respect your culture too.

1) You have shown no respect for Australian culture. Instead you have constantly gone on about invasion, genocide, and racism, in reference to white Australians. You also believe we have a duty to learn your language to make you feel more welcome, yet you have also said that immigrants shouldn't have to learn English. Respect my arse!
2) Australia is predominately Australian culture. My culture. Not your Chinese culture. Stop pretending that they have equal worth.
3) It is a ridiculous argument to pretend that Australia is made up of many cultures that all have equal worth including Australian culture. See the key word there? Australian. There is a reason why Australian culture is called Australian culture. Because it is the culture of Australia. It is not just another one of the cultures like the Chinese one you bring. It is the primary one and the only one that matters.
4) I don't care what the Australian government told you. They don't speak on behalf of all Australians. What's that? You reckon they do? Well I guess you must also reckon that the Chinese government speaks on behalf of all Chinese people, right?


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Australia is an immigrant country, quite different from the traditional countries like England, China or Egypt. Most of the people living in Australia are migrants not aborigines. It's one of the important reasons I choose Australia.

There are more immigrants in England than in Australia. The place is a smacking wreak. Maybe if you flipped from the Chinese satellite channel on your TV to an Australian one you would have noticed the mess they are in the last week.

Chinese is a traditional country? Convenient that. Maybe you should go home and champion the multicultural cause there. Or is it ok for them to be racist and have no diversity?

Your culture is only a part of Australian culture. Please stop to call your own culture as Australian culture. It's wrong and disrespect to other cultures of Australian culture.

Yes, Australian culture is the culture of Australia, not British, not China, not Jewish, not Islam but the composition of all of these cultures. I wonder if you remember that the original Australian culture is not British culture but Aboriginal culture. While white intruders could change Australia culture, new migrants can change the culture too.

What you said only shows your racism. If you ask me to go back to China, you should go back to Europe at first. Australia is not your expected "pure white" country or "British culture" country.

I made an equal deal with Australia government and I am Australian now. If you don't care about the deal, I don't care what you said too.


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 5:17pm: Australian government told me Australia need my skills. I believed them. That's all. And I don't hate white people when they are not racists and respect my culture as I respect their culture. Australian culture is composed by multiple cultures including your culture and my culture. If you respect my culture, I respect your culture too. 1) You have shown no respect for Australian culture. Instead you have constantly gone on about invasion, genocide, and racism, in reference to white Australians. You also believe we have a duty to learn your language to make you feel more welcome, yet you have also said that immigrants shouldn't have to learn English. Respect my arse! 2) Australia is predominately Australian culture. My culture. Not your Chinese culture. Stop pretending that they have equal worth. 3) It is a ridiculous argument to pretend that Australia is made up of many cultures that all have equal worth including Australian culture. See the key word there? Australian. There is a reason why Australian culture is called Australian culture. Because it is the culture of Australia. It is not just another one of the cultures like the Chinese one you bring. It is the primary one and the only one that matters. 4) I don't care what the Australian government told you. They don't speak on behalf of all Australians. What's that? You reckon they do? Well I guess you must also reckon that the Chinese government speaks on behalf of all Chinese people, right? Quote: Australia is an immigrant country, quite different from the traditional countries like England, China or Egypt. Most of the people living in Australia are migrants not aborigines. It's one of the important reasons I choose Australia. There are more immigrants in England than in Australia. The place is a smacking wreak. Maybe if you flipped from the Chinese satellite channel on your TV to an Australian one you would have noticed the mess they are in the last week. Chinese is a traditional country? Convenient that. Maybe you should go home and champion the multicultural cause there. Or is it ok for them to be racist and have no diversity?

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 6:17pm:

Your culture is only a part of Australian culture. Please stop to call your own culture as Australian culture. It's wrong and disrespect to other cultures of Australian culture. Yes, Australian culture is the culture of Australia, not British, not China, not Jewish, not Islam but the composition of all of these cultures. I wonder if you remember that the original Australian culture is not British culture but Aboriginal culture. While white intruders could change Australia culture, new migrants can change the culture too.

Right here. This is the problem. In your mind;

Chinese culture is Chinese
Indian culture is Indian
British culture is British
Jewish culture is Jewish
Australian culture is a mix of all these other cultures

Bullshit. Australian culture is Australian. We have our own ways and attitudes distinctive to us.

This post of yours is all the proof needed that you don't understand Australia. It is all the proof needed that you don't respect Australian culture. You claim to show respect to my culture, but when it comes down to it you don't even acknowledge that it exist.

You always ignore the important truth. Australia is a migrant country. The residents of Australia always change but new migrants.

Before the white intruders came to Australia, most Australians are Aboriginals. Then the white intruders came, killed most of Aboriginal Australians. Chinese came in peace in 19th century too, but the early Chinese migrants were oppressed by the white government. After that, the criminal White Australia Policy was broken. More migrants come to Australia with their own culture.

The culture of Australia always change by the change of residents. Now, Australia is a multicultural country. And the Australian culture is composed by different cultures of different residents.



Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 7:05pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 6:17pm: Your culture is only a part of Australian culture. Please stop to call your own culture as Australian culture. It's wrong and disrespect to other cultures of Australian culture. Yes, Australian culture is the culture of Australia, not British, not China, not Jewish, not Islam but the composition of all of these cultures. I wonder if you remember that the original Australian culture is not British culture but Aboriginal culture. While white intruders could change Australia culture, new migrants can change the culture too. Right here. This is the problem. In your mind; Chinese culture is Chinese Indian culture is Indian British culture is British Jewish culture is Jewish Australian culture is a mix of all these other cultures Bullshit. Australian culture is Australian. We have our own ways and attitudes distinctive to us. This post of yours is all the proof needed that you don't understand Australia. It is all the proof needed that you don't respect Australian culture. You claim to show respect to my culture, but when it comes down to it you don't even acknowledge that it exist.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 7:14pm:

You always ignore the important truth. Australia is a migrant country. The residents of Australia always change but new migrants. Before the white intruders came to Australia, most Australians are Aboriginals. Then the white intruders came, killed most of Aboriginal Australians. Chinese came in peace in 19th century too, but the early Chinese migrants were oppressed by the white government. After that, the criminal White Australia Policy was broken. More migrants come to Australia with their own culture. The culture of Australia always change by the change of residents. Now, Australia is a multicultural country. And the Australian culture is composed by different cultures of different residents.

Keep digging mate. You want everyone to respect your Chinese culture yet you have shown time and time again that you have no respect for australian culture. Now you're even admitting that you don't believe Australian culture exist but that it is just a mix of everything else.

There are non Chinese people living in China. but I doubt for a minute you believe they are a part of Chinese culture.

The World according to Bowen:

If a brit lives in China - he is a brit who is living in China. If he lives like a brit, then he is living by his british culture and not Chinese culture which is distinct.

If a chinaman lives in Australia - he is an australian living in Australia. If he lives like a Chinaman, then he is an Australian living by Australian culture which is made up of Chinese culture and all the rest. 

Bullshit. You're just making it up as you go. You want us to believe that Chinese culture is traditional and distinct and deserving of respect, whilst at the same time claiming that Australian Culture is whatever it is at the time.

Go to South West Sydney where 99% of the population are Chinese; watching Chinese TV, speaking Chinese, eating Chinese, only associating and living like Chinese... According to you that's Australian. They live in Australia therefore they represent Australian culture. 

Ridiculous! This is why you don't get respect. You show none whatsoever. 

You always ignore the important truth. Neither you nor me are the original residents of Australia.

The original Australian culture was almost destroyed by the white intruders 200 years ago.

Different from China, British and Egypt, Australian culture is decided by the migrants instead of the Aboriginals. You always pretend you don't understand.



Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 7:49pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 7:14pm: You always ignore the important truth. Australia is a migrant country. The residents of Australia always change but new migrants. Before the white intruders came to Australia, most Australians are Aboriginals. Then the white intruders came, killed most of Aboriginal Australians. Chinese came in peace in 19th century too, but the early Chinese migrants were oppressed by the white government. After that, the criminal White Australia Policy was broken. More migrants come to Australia with their own culture. The culture of Australia always change by the change of residents. Now, Australia is a multicultural country. And the Australian culture is composed by different cultures of different residents. Keep digging mate. You want everyone to respect your Chinese culture yet you have shown time and time again that you have no respect for australian culture. Now you're even admitting that you don't believe Australian culture exist but that it is just a mix of everything else. There are non Chinese people living in China. but I doubt for a minute you believe they are a part of Chinese culture. The World according to Bowen: If a brit lives in China - he is a brit who is living in China. If he lives like a brit, then he is living by his british culture and not Chinese culture which is distinct. If a chinaman lives in Australia - he is an australian living in Australia. If he lives like a Chinaman, then he is an Australian living by Australian culture which is made up of Chinese culture and all the rest.  Bullshit. You're just making it up as you go. You want us to believe that Chinese culture is traditional and distinct and deserving of respect, whilst at the same time claiming that Australian Culture is whatever it is at the time. Go to South West Sydney where 99% of the population are Chinese; watching Chinese TV, speaking Chinese, eating Chinese, only associating and living like Chinese... According to you that's Australian. They live in Australia therefore they represent Australian culture.  Ridiculous! This is why you don't get respect. You show none whatsoever.

Yes, they are all Australian like you. Their culture is a part of Australian culture. It is the truth, no matter if you recognize.

They live there in peace, contribute to Australia society and show the spirit of Multiculturalism.

At the same time, white racists like you and extreme Muslims are breaking the society. (I am sure you are a racist now)


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 7:49pm:

Go to South West Sydney where 99% of the population are Chinese; watching Chinese TV, speaking Chinese, eating Chinese, only associating and living like Chinese... According to you that's Australian. They live in Australia therefore they represent Australian culture.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:01pm:

You always ignore the important truth. Neither you nor me are the original residents of Australia. The original Australian culture was almost destroyed by the white intruders 200 years ago. Different from China, British and Egypt, Australian culture is decided by the migrants instead of the Aboriginals. You always pretend you don't understand.

Because your point is bullshit. Your entire argument is Bullshit. It is not that I don't understand what you are saying. It's the fact that what you're saying is... you guessed it... bullshit.

So Australia is 225 years old since colonisation. 200 years, 2000 years... whats the difference? At what point in time does a culture become traditional and therefore protected? Your entire argument is based on the idea that Egypt, Britain, China, etc, have been here longer and therefore have a culture. Australia is young and therefore it's culture is a mix of whoever is there at the time. Rubbish. 

Australians may be white, but we are not German; we are not American; we are not the same as New Zealand, nor are we even the same as the British. Australians have their own accent, their own attitudes, their own vocabulary, their own style and traditions. Your attitude however is, 'no you don't... I'm as Australian as you are.' You are not. Not even close. That's because you refuse to accept that Australian culture even exist.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:01pm:

You always ignore the important truth. Neither you nor me are the original residents of Australia. The original Australian culture was almost destroyed by the white intruders 200 years ago. Different from China, British and Egypt, Australian culture is decided by the migrants instead of the Aboriginals. You always pretend you don't understand. Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 7:49pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 7:14pm: You always ignore the important truth. Australia is a migrant country. The residents of Australia always change but new migrants. Before the white intruders came to Australia, most Australians are Aboriginals. Then the white intruders came, killed most of Aboriginal Australians. Chinese came in peace in 19th century too, but the early Chinese migrants were oppressed by the white government. After that, the criminal White Australia Policy was broken. More migrants come to Australia with their own culture. The culture of Australia always change by the change of residents. Now, Australia is a multicultural country. And the Australian culture is composed by different cultures of different residents. Keep digging mate. You want everyone to respect your Chinese culture yet you have shown time and time again that you have no respect for australian culture. Now you're even admitting that you don't believe Australian culture exist but that it is just a mix of everything else. There are non Chinese people living in China. but I doubt for a minute you believe they are a part of Chinese culture. The World according to Bowen: If a brit lives in China - he is a brit who is living in China. If he lives like a brit, then he is living by his british culture and not Chinese culture which is distinct. If a chinaman lives in Australia - he is an australian living in Australia. If he lives like a Chinaman, then he is an Australian living by Australian culture which is made up of Chinese culture and all the rest.  Bullshit. You're just making it up as you go. You want us to believe that Chinese culture is traditional and distinct and deserving of respect, whilst at the same time claiming that Australian Culture is whatever it is at the time. Go to South West Sydney where 99% of the population are Chinese; watching Chinese TV, speaking Chinese, eating Chinese, only associating and living like Chinese... According to you that's Australian. They live in Australia therefore they represent Australian culture.  Ridiculous! This is why you don't get respect. You show none whatsoever.

I suppose you are a yellow intruder considering that you live here too.

Did I come with gun? Did I kill anybody? The white intruders came here with blood. I came here in peace. Don't tell me you do not know the difference.


Big Dave wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:01pm: You always ignore the important truth. Neither you nor me are the original residents of Australia. The original Australian culture was almost destroyed by the white intruders 200 years ago. Different from China, British and Egypt, Australian culture is decided by the migrants instead of the Aboriginals. You always pretend you don't understand. Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 7:49pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 7:14pm: You always ignore the important truth. Australia is a migrant country. The residents of Australia always change but new migrants. Before the white intruders came to Australia, most Australians are Aboriginals. Then the white intruders came, killed most of Aboriginal Australians. Chinese came in peace in 19th century too, but the early Chinese migrants were oppressed by the white government. After that, the criminal White Australia Policy was broken. More migrants come to Australia with their own culture. The culture of Australia always change by the change of residents. Now, Australia is a multicultural country. And the Australian culture is composed by different cultures of different residents. Keep digging mate. You want everyone to respect your Chinese culture yet you have shown time and time again that you have no respect for australian culture. Now you're even admitting that you don't believe Australian culture exist but that it is just a mix of everything else. There are non Chinese people living in China. but I doubt for a minute you believe they are a part of Chinese culture. The World according to Bowen: If a brit lives in China - he is a brit who is living in China. If he lives like a brit, then he is living by his british culture and not Chinese culture which is distinct. If a chinaman lives in Australia - he is an australian living in Australia. If he lives like a Chinaman, then he is an Australian living by Australian culture which is made up of Chinese culture and all the rest.  Bullshit. You're just making it up as you go. You want us to believe that Chinese culture is traditional and distinct and deserving of respect, whilst at the same time claiming that Australian Culture is whatever it is at the time. Go to South West Sydney where 99% of the population are Chinese; watching Chinese TV, speaking Chinese, eating Chinese, only associating and living like Chinese... According to you that's Australian. They live in Australia therefore they represent Australian culture.  Ridiculous! This is why you don't get respect. You show none whatsoever.  I suppose you are a yellow intruder considering that you live here too.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:04pm:

Yes, they are all Australian like you. Their culture is a part of Australian culture. It is the truth, no matter if you recognize. They live there in peace, contribute to Australia society and show the spirit of Multiculturalism. At the same time, white racists like you and extreme Muslims are breaking the society. (I am sure you are a racist now) Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 7:49pm: Go to South West Sydney where 99% of the population are Chinese; watching Chinese TV, speaking Chinese, eating Chinese, only associating and living like Chinese... According to you that's Australian. They live in Australia therefore they represent Australian culture.

No they are not.

They are Chinese,
living like Chinese,
Speaking Chinese,
Living in a Chinese ghetto.

They just happen to live on Australian soil. Chinese culture is not Australian culture. 


Quote:

(I am sure you are a racist now)

Go bugger yourself you c*nt. You will post here demanding respect for Chinese culture yet refuse to admit my culture even exist... and you dare call me the racist!

You refuse to respect white people. You think the nations we have built are now yours to do with as you wish, and what's worse, that we should thank you for disrespecting and denying our history.

You are a joke. No wonder multiculturalism will fail with people like you coming here. 

If you think there is no difference between 200 years and 2000 years. What's the difference between 200 years and 20 years, even 5 years?

Do you know any logic?


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:01pm: You always ignore the important truth. Neither you nor me are the original residents of Australia. The original Australian culture was almost destroyed by the white intruders 200 years ago. Different from China, British and Egypt, Australian culture is decided by the migrants instead of the Aboriginals. You always pretend you don't understand. Because your point is bullshit. Your entire argument is Bullshit. It is not that I don't understand what you are saying. It's the fact that what you're saying is... you guessed it... bullshit. So Australia is 225 years old since colonisation. 200 years, 2000 years... whats the difference? At what point in time does a culture become traditional and therefore protected? Your entire argument is based on the idea that Egypt, Britain, China, etc, have been here longer and therefore have a culture. Australia is young and therefore it's culture is a mix of whoever is there at the time. Rubbish.  Australians may be white, but we are not German; we are not American; we are not the same as New Zealand, nor are we even the same as the British. Australians have their own accent, their own attitudes, their own vocabulary, their own style and traditions. Your attitude however is, 'no you don't... I'm as Australian as you are.' You are not. Not even close. That's because you refuse to accept that Australian culture even exist.

You even don't know what is respect. You can go to hell or any where you want. And you are a inglorious racist.

We contribute to the society of Australia, and you break the society.


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:25pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:04pm: Yes, they are all Australian like you. Their culture is a part of Australian culture. It is the truth, no matter if you recognize. They live there in peace, contribute to Australia society and show the spirit of Multiculturalism. At the same time, white racists like you and extreme Muslims are breaking the society. (I am sure you are a racist now) Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 7:49pm: Go to South West Sydney where 99% of the population are Chinese; watching Chinese TV, speaking Chinese, eating Chinese, only associating and living like Chinese... According to you that's Australian. They live in Australia therefore they represent Australian culture.  No they are not. They are Chinese, living like Chinese, Speaking Chinese, Living in a Chinese ghetto. They just happen to live on Australian soil. Chinese culture is not Australian culture.  Quote: (I am sure you are a racist now) Go bugger yourself you c*nt. You will post here demanding respect for Chinese culture yet refuse to admit my culture even exist... and you dare call me the racist! You refuse to respect white people. You think the nations we have built are now yours to do with as you wish, and what's worse, that we should thank you for disrespecting and denying our history. You are a joke. No wonder multiculturalism will fail with people like you coming here.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:25pm:

If you think there is no difference between 200 years and 2000 years. What's the difference between 200 years and 20 years, even 5 years? Do you know any logic? Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:14pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:01pm: You always ignore the important truth. Neither you nor me are the original residents of Australia. The original Australian culture was almost destroyed by the white intruders 200 years ago. Different from China, British and Egypt, Australian culture is decided by the migrants instead of the Aboriginals. You always pretend you don't understand. Because your point is bullshit. Your entire argument is Bullshit. It is not that I don't understand what you are saying. It's the fact that what you're saying is... you guessed it... bullshit. So Australia is 225 years old since colonisation. 200 years, 2000 years... whats the difference? At what point in time does a culture become traditional and therefore protected? Your entire argument is based on the idea that Egypt, Britain, China, etc, have been here longer and therefore have a culture. Australia is young and therefore it's culture is a mix of whoever is there at the time. Rubbish.  Australians may be white, but we are not German; we are not American; we are not the same as New Zealand, nor are we even the same as the British. Australians have their own accent, their own attitudes, their own vocabulary, their own style and traditions. Your attitude however is, 'no you don't... I'm as Australian as you are.' You are not. Not even close. That's because you refuse to accept that Australian culture even exist.

Time means nothing. You are on aboriginal land like us all so going by logic you are an intruder. The Chinese that came out here in the 1850's to dig gold and farm aboriginal land were intruders too.

If time means nothing. The new migrants are not different from early migrants. All the cultures of them are parts of Australian culture.

Did the Chinese come in 1850s slaughter aboriginals?

Even as you said they were same to the white intruders, their culture is a part of Australian culture same to the white.

Why you claim they are same to the white intruders, but their culture is not a part of Australian culture? Where is your logic?


Big Dave wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:29pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:25pm: If you think there is no difference between 200 years and 2000 years. What's the difference between 200 years and 20 years, even 5 years? Do you know any logic? Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:14pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:01pm: You always ignore the important truth. Neither you nor me are the original residents of Australia. The original Australian culture was almost destroyed by the white intruders 200 years ago. Different from China, British and Egypt, Australian culture is decided by the migrants instead of the Aboriginals. You always pretend you don't understand. Because your point is bullshit. Your entire argument is Bullshit. It is not that I don't understand what you are saying. It's the fact that what you're saying is... you guessed it... bullshit. So Australia is 225 years old since colonisation. 200 years, 2000 years... whats the difference? At what point in time does a culture become traditional and therefore protected? Your entire argument is based on the idea that Egypt, Britain, China, etc, have been here longer and therefore have a culture. Australia is young and therefore it's culture is a mix of whoever is there at the time. Rubbish.  Australians may be white, but we are not German; we are not American; we are not the same as New Zealand, nor are we even the same as the British. Australians have their own accent, their own attitudes, their own vocabulary, their own style and traditions. Your attitude however is, 'no you don't... I'm as Australian as you are.' You are not. Not even close. That's because you refuse to accept that Australian culture even exist. Time means nothing. You are on aboriginal land like us all so going by logic you are an intruder. The Chinese that came out here in the 1850's to dig gold and farm aboriginal land were intruders too.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:23pm:

Did I come with gun? Did I kill anybody? The white intruders came here with blood. I came here in peace. Don't tell me you do not know the difference. Big Dave wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:14pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:01pm: You always ignore the important truth. Neither you nor me are the original residents of Australia. The original Australian culture was almost destroyed by the white intruders 200 years ago. Different from China, British and Egypt, Australian culture is decided by the migrants instead of the Aboriginals. You always pretend you don't understand. Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 7:49pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 7:14pm: You always ignore the important truth. Australia is a migrant country. The residents of Australia always change but new migrants. Before the white intruders came to Australia, most Australians are Aboriginals. Then the white intruders came, killed most of Aboriginal Australians. Chinese came in peace in 19th century too, but the early Chinese migrants were oppressed by the white government. After that, the criminal White Australia Policy was broken. More migrants come to Australia with their own culture. The culture of Australia always change by the change of residents. Now, Australia is a multicultural country. And the Australian culture is composed by different cultures of different residents. Keep digging mate. You want everyone to respect your Chinese culture yet you have shown time and time again that you have no respect for australian culture. Now you're even admitting that you don't believe Australian culture exist but that it is just a mix of everything else. There are non Chinese people living in China. but I doubt for a minute you believe they are a part of Chinese culture. The World according to Bowen: If a brit lives in China - he is a brit who is living in China. If he lives like a brit, then he is living by his british culture and not Chinese culture which is distinct. If a chinaman lives in Australia - he is an australian living in Australia. If he lives like a Chinaman, then he is an Australian living by Australian culture which is made up of Chinese culture and all the rest.  Bullshit. You're just making it up as you go. You want us to believe that Chinese culture is traditional and distinct and deserving of respect, whilst at the same time claiming that Australian Culture is whatever it is at the time. Go to South West Sydney where 99% of the population are Chinese; watching Chinese TV, speaking Chinese, eating Chinese, only associating and living like Chinese... According to you that's Australian. They live in Australia therefore they represent Australian culture.  Ridiculous! This is why you don't get respect. You show none whatsoever.  I suppose you are a yellow intruder considering that you live here too.

let me show what a racist bastard you are.

*225 years ago white people came here. Some did bad things to the Aboriginals.
*Roughly 100 or so years ago some of my ancestors came here from Britain. They were white, I'm white, I share the guilt of the first white Australians.
*You come here in the last couple of years from China. You share no guilt... because you are not white.   

See what a racist you are.

I didn't kill any aboriginals. No one in my family killed any aboriginals. But because I'm white I am partly to blame. I share the guilt of my race.   

You didn't kill any aboriginals. No one in your family killed any aboriginals. And because you are yellow you are blameless. You share no guilt of Australia's history. You just get to enjoy what the evil white people made. 

Another typical leftwing nut who thinks everyone else is wrong but you are special.

If you are not the white intruders or their progeny, you are same to me. You are a migrant.

Why you believe your culture is Australian culture, my culture is not Australian culture?


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:32pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:23pm: Did I come with gun? Did I kill anybody? The white intruders came here with blood. I came here in peace. Don't tell me you do not know the difference. Big Dave wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:14pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:01pm: You always ignore the important truth. Neither you nor me are the original residents of Australia. The original Australian culture was almost destroyed by the white intruders 200 years ago. Different from China, British and Egypt, Australian culture is decided by the migrants instead of the Aboriginals. You always pretend you don't understand. Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 7:49pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 7:14pm: You always ignore the important truth. Australia is a migrant country. The residents of Australia always change but new migrants. Before the white intruders came to Australia, most Australians are Aboriginals. Then the white intruders came, killed most of Aboriginal Australians. Chinese came in peace in 19th century too, but the early Chinese migrants were oppressed by the white government. After that, the criminal White Australia Policy was broken. More migrants come to Australia with their own culture. The culture of Australia always change by the change of residents. Now, Australia is a multicultural country. And the Australian culture is composed by different cultures of different residents. Keep digging mate. You want everyone to respect your Chinese culture yet you have shown time and time again that you have no respect for australian culture. Now you're even admitting that you don't believe Australian culture exist but that it is just a mix of everything else. There are non Chinese people living in China. but I doubt for a minute you believe they are a part of Chinese culture. The World according to Bowen: If a brit lives in China - he is a brit who is living in China. If he lives like a brit, then he is living by his british culture and not Chinese culture which is distinct. If a chinaman lives in Australia - he is an australian living in Australia. If he lives like a Chinaman, then he is an Australian living by Australian culture which is made up of Chinese culture and all the rest.  Bullshit. You're just making it up as you go. You want us to believe that Chinese culture is traditional and distinct and deserving of respect, whilst at the same time claiming that Australian Culture is whatever it is at the time. Go to South West Sydney where 99% of the population are Chinese; watching Chinese TV, speaking Chinese, eating Chinese, only associating and living like Chinese... According to you that's Australian. They live in Australia therefore they represent Australian culture.  Ridiculous! This is why you don't get respect. You show none whatsoever.  I suppose you are a yellow intruder considering that you live here too. let me show what a racist bastard you are. *225 years ago white people came here. Some did bad things to the Aboriginals. *Roughly 100 or so years ago some of my ancestors came here from Britain. They were white, I'm white, I share the guilt of the first white Australians. *You come here in the last couple of years from China. You share no guilt... because you are not white.    See what a racist you are. I didn't kill any aboriginals. No one in my family killed any aboriginals. But because I'm white I am partly to blame. I share the guilt of my race.    You didn't kill any aboriginals. No one in your family killed any aboriginals. And because you are yellow you are blameless. You share no guilt of Australia's history. You just get to enjoy what the evil white people made.  Another typical leftwing nut who thinks everyone else is wrong but you are special.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:27pm:

You even don't know what is respect. You can go to hell or any where you want. And you are a inglorious racist. We contribute to the society of Australia, and you break the society.

"We"? Who are the, "we"?

Surely you don't mean the Chinese living in Australia? If we are all Australian, Chinese and white... then how can there be a separate "we"?

Showing some loyalty to your blood brothers Bowen? That's a bit racist isn't it, mate?

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:40pm:

If you are not the white intruders or their progeny, you are same to me. You are a migrant. Why you believe your culture is Australian culture, my culture is not Australian culture? Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:32pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:23pm: Did I come with gun? Did I kill anybody? The white intruders came here with blood. I came here in peace. Don't tell me you do not know the difference. Big Dave wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:14pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:01pm: You always ignore the important truth. Neither you nor me are the original residents of Australia. The original Australian culture was almost destroyed by the white intruders 200 years ago. Different from China, British and Egypt, Australian culture is decided by the migrants instead of the Aboriginals. You always pretend you don't understand. Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 7:49pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 7:14pm: You always ignore the important truth. Australia is a migrant country. The residents of Australia always change but new migrants. Before the white intruders came to Australia, most Australians are Aboriginals. Then the white intruders came, killed most of Aboriginal Australians. Chinese came in peace in 19th century too, but the early Chinese migrants were oppressed by the white government. After that, the criminal White Australia Policy was broken. More migrants come to Australia with their own culture. The culture of Australia always change by the change of residents. Now, Australia is a multicultural country. And the Australian culture is composed by different cultures of different residents. Keep digging mate. You want everyone to respect your Chinese culture yet you have shown time and time again that you have no respect for australian culture. Now you're even admitting that you don't believe Australian culture exist but that it is just a mix of everything else. There are non Chinese people living in China. but I doubt for a minute you believe they are a part of Chinese culture. The World according to Bowen: If a brit lives in China - he is a brit who is living in China. If he lives like a brit, then he is living by his british culture and not Chinese culture which is distinct. If a chinaman lives in Australia - he is an australian living in Australia. If he lives like a Chinaman, then he is an Australian living by Australian culture which is made up of Chinese culture and all the rest.  Bullshit. You're just making it up as you go. You want us to believe that Chinese culture is traditional and distinct and deserving of respect, whilst at the same time claiming that Australian Culture is whatever it is at the time. Go to South West Sydney where 99% of the population are Chinese; watching Chinese TV, speaking Chinese, eating Chinese, only associating and living like Chinese... According to you that's Australian. They live in Australia therefore they represent Australian culture.  Ridiculous! This is why you don't get respect. You show none whatsoever.  I suppose you are a yellow intruder considering that you live here too. let me show what a racist bastard you are. *225 years ago white people came here. Some did bad things to the Aboriginals. *Roughly 100 or so years ago some of my ancestors came here from Britain. They were white, I'm white, I share the guilt of the first white Australians. *You come here in the last couple of years from China. You share no guilt... because you are not white.    See what a racist you are. I didn't kill any aboriginals. No one in my family killed any aboriginals. But because I'm white I am partly to blame. I share the guilt of my race.    You didn't kill any aboriginals. No one in your family killed any aboriginals. And because you are yellow you are blameless. You share no guilt of Australia's history. You just get to enjoy what the evil white people made.  Another typical leftwing nut who thinks everyone else is wrong but you are special.

You yellow intruders stole the aboriginals land and gold.

Bowen don't like aussie. He has big penis. Little Chinese man have tiny little penis. Bowen jealous of big aussie penis.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

"We" means the Australian people you told about who speak Chinese, eat Chinese food...

I told you many times, both you and me are Australian, but you keep saying I am not an Australian. "We" is defined by you. Racists like you made the separate society.


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:41pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:27pm: You even don't know what is respect. You can go to hell or any where you want. And you are a inglorious racist. We contribute to the society of Australia, and you break the society. "We"? Who are the, "we"? Surely you don't mean the Chinese living in Australia? If we are all Australian, Chinese and white... then how can there be a separate "we"? Showing some loyalty to your blood brothers Bowen? That's a bit racist isn't it, mate?

I wonder if these rude words are part of you guys called "Australian culture".


Big Dave wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:47pm:

Bowen don't like aussie. He has big penis. Little Chinese man have tiny little penis. Bowen jealous of big aussie penis.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:40pm:

If you are not the white intruders or their progeny, you are same to me. You are a migrant. Why you believe your culture is Australian culture, my culture is not Australian culture?

Because my family assimilated to Australian culture. We dropped the kilt and bagpipes and became ozzies.

You came here and said; "I Chinese. I speak Chinese. I live like chinaman. But have now Austwalian citizenship. I am now an Austwalian, which makes Chinese culture Austwralian culture. Speaking and living like chinaman is Austwalian thing to do"

This is the equivalent of a man walking into a women toilets and declaring that having a dick is now a female trait. After all, there is now a dick in the women's toilets. The fact that it is in the women's toilets must make it female by default.

Likewise there is now a dick in Australia who thinks speaking Chinese is an Australian thing to do, just because some Chinese won't assimilate into australian culture. They just want to declare their culture Australian by the fact that that they live here.   

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:51pm:

I wonder if these rude words are part of you guys called "Australian culture". Big Dave wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:47pm: Bowen don't like aussie. He has big penis. Little Chinese man have tiny little penis. Bowen jealous of big aussie penis.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

bugger yeah mate!

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:51pm:

I wonder if these rude words are part of you guys called "Australian culture". Big Dave wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:47pm: Bowen don't like aussie. He has big penis. Little Chinese man have tiny little penis. Bowen jealous of big aussie penis.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Penis not rude word. Penis good word.Not rude word. China lady like aussie man and his big penis. She like the feeling of big aussie penis in her china vagina. She marry many aussie man. Full blood China man start to disappear in australia.

Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:55pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:51pm: I wonder if these rude words are part of you guys called "Australian culture". Big Dave wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:47pm: Bowen don't like aussie. He has big penis. Little Chinese man have tiny little penis. Bowen jealous of big aussie penis.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D bugger yeah mate!

That why Bowen don't like aussie man quantum.

If sure, I can tell you I don't respect this part of your culture. It's bullshit.


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:55pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:51pm: I wonder if these rude words are part of you guys called "Australian culture". Big Dave wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:47pm: Bowen don't like aussie. He has big penis. Little Chinese man have tiny little penis. Bowen jealous of big aussie penis.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D bugger yeah mate!

The culture you called "Australian culture" is not the real Australian culture but only  "British Australian culture" or "white Australian culture". And my culture is "Chinese Australian culture".

Do you understand?


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:54pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:40pm: If you are not the white intruders or their progeny, you are same to me. You are a migrant. Why you believe your culture is Australian culture, my culture is not Australian culture? Because my family assimilated to Australian culture. We dropped the kilt and bagpipes and became ozzies. You came here and said; "I Chinese. I speak Chinese. I live like chinaman. But have now Austwalian citizenship. I am now an Austwalian, which makes Chinese culture Austwralian culture. Speaking and living like chinaman is Austwalian thing to do" This is the equivalent of a man walking into a women toilets and declaring that having a dick is now a female trait. After all, there is now a dick in the women's toilets. The fact that it is in the women's toilets must make it female by default. Likewise there is now a dick in Australia who thinks speaking Chinese is an Australian thing to do, just because some Chinese won't assimilate into australian culture. They just want to declare their culture Australian by the fact that that they live here.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 9:41pm:

If sure, I can tell you I don't respect this part of your culture. It's bullshit. Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:55pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:51pm: I wonder if these rude words are part of you guys called "Australian culture". Big Dave wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:47pm: Bowen don't like aussie. He has big penis. Little Chinese man have tiny little penis. Bowen jealous of big aussie penis.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D bugger yeah mate!

But you must! You must respect all cultures! Otherwise you are creating a 'sssepawated sssossiety'


Quote:

It's bullshit

That's a naughty word. Part of your Chinese culture?

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 9:42pm:

The culture you called "Australian culture" is not the real Australian culture but only  "British Australian culture" or "white Australian culture". And my culture is "Chinese Australian culture". Do you understand? Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:54pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:40pm: If you are not the white intruders or their progeny, you are same to me. You are a migrant. Why you believe your culture is Australian culture, my culture is not Australian culture? Because my family assimilated to Australian culture. We dropped the kilt and bagpipes and became ozzies. You came here and said; "I Chinese. I speak Chinese. I live like chinaman. But have now Austwalian citizenship. I am now an Austwalian, which makes Chinese culture Austwralian culture. Speaking and living like chinaman is Austwalian thing to do" This is the equivalent of a man walking into a women toilets and declaring that having a dick is now a female trait. After all, there is now a dick in the women's toilets. The fact that it is in the women's toilets must make it female by default. Likewise there is now a dick in Australia who thinks speaking Chinese is an Australian thing to do, just because some Chinese won't assimilate into australian culture. They just want to declare their culture Australian by the fact that that they live here.

Do I understand? I think so.

I can go live in China, walk out into the streets of Beijing, tell everyone they have small penises, and then demand that they respect me because acting that way is part of my Australian Chinese Culture.

Sweet as mate. Looking forward to bringing diversity to China.

No, I think "bullshit" is a part of your culture. I respect the good part of your culture and I did not force you to change even the "bullshit" of your culture if you are in peace.


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 9:50pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 9:41pm: If sure, I can tell you I don't respect this part of your culture. It's bullshit. Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:55pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:51pm: I wonder if these rude words are part of you guys called "Australian culture". Big Dave wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:47pm: Bowen don't like aussie. He has big penis. Little Chinese man have tiny little penis. Bowen jealous of big aussie penis.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D bugger yeah mate! But you must! You must respect all cultures! Otherwise you are creating a 'sssepawated sssossiety' Quote: It's bullshit That's a naughty word. Part of your Chinese culture?

I believe they will show you the corresponding Chinese words. The only issue is if you understand Chinese.  ;D


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 9:55pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 9:42pm: The culture you called "Australian culture" is not the real Australian culture but only  "British Australian culture" or "white Australian culture". And my culture is "Chinese Australian culture". Do you understand? Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:54pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:40pm: If you are not the white intruders or their progeny, you are same to me. You are a migrant. Why you believe your culture is Australian culture, my culture is not Australian culture? Because my family assimilated to Australian culture. We dropped the kilt and bagpipes and became ozzies. You came here and said; "I Chinese. I speak Chinese. I live like chinaman. But have now Austwalian citizenship. I am now an Austwalian, which makes Chinese culture Austwralian culture. Speaking and living like chinaman is Austwalian thing to do" This is the equivalent of a man walking into a women toilets and declaring that having a dick is now a female trait. After all, there is now a dick in the women's toilets. The fact that it is in the women's toilets must make it female by default. Likewise there is now a dick in Australia who thinks speaking Chinese is an Australian thing to do, just because some Chinese won't assimilate into australian culture. They just want to declare their culture Australian by the fact that that they live here.    Do I understand? I think so. I can go live in China, walk out into the streets of Beijing, tell everyone they have small penises, and then demand that they respect me because acting that way is part of my Australian Chinese Culture. Sweet as mate. Looking forward to bringing diversity to China.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:00pm:

I believe they will show you the corresponding Chinese words. The only issue is if you understand Chinese.  ;D Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 9:55pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 9:42pm: The culture you called "Australian culture" is not the real Australian culture but only  "British Australian culture" or "white Australian culture". And my culture is "Chinese Australian culture". Do you understand? Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:54pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:40pm: If you are not the white intruders or their progeny, you are same to me. You are a migrant. Why you believe your culture is Australian culture, my culture is not Australian culture? Because my family assimilated to Australian culture. We dropped the kilt and bagpipes and became ozzies. You came here and said; "I Chinese. I speak Chinese. I live like chinaman. But have now Austwalian citizenship. I am now an Austwalian, which makes Chinese culture Austwralian culture. Speaking and living like chinaman is Austwalian thing to do" This is the equivalent of a man walking into a women toilets and declaring that having a dick is now a female trait. After all, there is now a dick in the women's toilets. The fact that it is in the women's toilets must make it female by default. Likewise there is now a dick in Australia who thinks speaking Chinese is an Australian thing to do, just because some Chinese won't assimilate into australian culture. They just want to declare their culture Australian by the fact that that they live here.    Do I understand? I think so. I can go live in China, walk out into the streets of Beijing, tell everyone they have small penises, and then demand that they respect me because acting that way is part of my Australian Chinese Culture. Sweet as mate. Looking forward to bringing diversity to China.

Don't have to know Chinese. I will just speak english. I am "Australian Chinese" there remember. Speaking English is a part of my culture that must be respected.

Also, why would those Chinese reply? Why not just respect my rights as a white Chinese Australian. Are they racist or something?   

Respect is between each others. You are playing the different concepts. You speak the rude words to others is direct insult. No one respect you of course.

However, as you said, when Chinese Australian speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, they do not insult you. Right? What's the reason for you to disrespect them?

If you live in China and do not insult others directly, no one care the culture of you.


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:09pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 10:00pm: I believe they will show you the corresponding Chinese words. The only issue is if you understand Chinese.  ;D Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 9:55pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 9:42pm: The culture you called "Australian culture" is not the real Australian culture but only  "British Australian culture" or "white Australian culture". And my culture is "Chinese Australian culture". Do you understand? Quantum wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:54pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 8:40pm: If you are not the white intruders or their progeny, you are same to me. You are a migrant. Why you believe your culture is Australian culture, my culture is not Australian culture? Because my family assimilated to Australian culture. We dropped the kilt and bagpipes and became ozzies. You came here and said; "I Chinese. I speak Chinese. I live like chinaman. But have now Austwalian citizenship. I am now an Austwalian, which makes Chinese culture Austwralian culture. Speaking and living like chinaman is Austwalian thing to do" This is the equivalent of a man walking into a women toilets and declaring that having a dick is now a female trait. After all, there is now a dick in the women's toilets. The fact that it is in the women's toilets must make it female by default. Likewise there is now a dick in Australia who thinks speaking Chinese is an Australian thing to do, just because some Chinese won't assimilate into australian culture. They just want to declare their culture Australian by the fact that that they live here.    Do I understand? I think so. I can go live in China, walk out into the streets of Beijing, tell everyone they have small penises, and then demand that they respect me because acting that way is part of my Australian Chinese Culture. Sweet as mate. Looking forward to bringing diversity to China. Don't have to know Chinese. I will just speak english. I am "Australian Chinese" there remember. Speaking English is a part of my culture that must be respected. Also, why would those Chinese reply? Why not just respect my rights as a white Chinese Australian. Are they racist or something?

If I go and live in China but watch Australian TV, speak English, and mix with Australians only and want to maintain my Australian identity at every turn - would you accept me as Chinese anyway, just because I live in China???

The word "Chinese" has multiple senses. When Chinese means a race, you are not Chinese. When Chinese means citizenship, you are a Chinese if you are a citizen of China.

However, Australian is not a concept of race. There is not a race called "Australian". Australian is composed by Aboriginal, European, Asian, Indian, Muslim... So every Australian citizen are Australian.

BTW, as your logic, do you think Aboriginals are Australian?


Soren wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:36pm:

If I go and live in China but watch Australian TV, speak English, and mix with Australians only and want to maintain my Australian identity at every turn - would you accept me as Chinese anyway, just because I live in China???

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:44pm:

The word "Chinese" has multiple senses. When Chinese means a race, you are not Chinese. When Chinese means citizenship, you are a Chinese if you are a citizen of China. However, Australian is not a concept of race. There is not a race called "Australian". Australian is composed by Aboriginal, European, Asian, Indian, Muslim... So every Australian citizen are Australian. BTW, as your logic, do you think Aboriginals are Australian? Soren wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 10:36pm: If I go and live in China but watch Australian TV, speak English, and mix with Australians only and want to maintain my Australian identity at every turn - would you accept me as Chinese anyway, just because I live in China???

The Chinese are their own race now?

You really are blinded by your own bias. Every point you make can be used against you. Your only reply is to say 'that different' because you don't want to face the fact that that your arguments don't make sense. 

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:44pm:

The word "Chinese" has multiple senses. When Chinese means a race, you are not Chinese. When Chinese means citizenship, you are a Chinese if you are a citizen of China. However, Australian is not a concept of race. There is not a race called "Australian". Australian is composed by Aboriginal, European, Asian, Indian, Muslim... So every Australian citizen are Australian. BTW, as your logic, do you think Aboriginals are Australian? Soren wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 10:36pm: If I go and live in China but watch Australian TV, speak English, and mix with Australians only and want to maintain my Australian identity at every turn - would you accept me as Chinese anyway, just because I live in China???

Don't try to be clever, answer the question - would you accept me as being equally as Chinese as you?

Simplified, If you are citizen of China, you can say you are a Chinese.


Soren wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:09pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 10:44pm: The word "Chinese" has multiple senses. When Chinese means a race, you are not Chinese. When Chinese means citizenship, you are a Chinese if you are a citizen of China. However, Australian is not a concept of race. There is not a race called "Australian". Australian is composed by Aboriginal, European, Asian, Indian, Muslim... So every Australian citizen are Australian. BTW, as your logic, do you think Aboriginals are Australian? Soren wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 10:36pm: If I go and live in China but watch Australian TV, speak English, and mix with Australians only and want to maintain my Australian identity at every turn - would you accept me as Chinese anyway, just because I live in China??? Don't try to be clever, answer the question - would you accept me as being equally as Chinese as you?

Chinese is an English word. Chinese do not call themselves as Chinese.

In English, Chinese represent a race some times. Right?

When I said, I am an Chinese Australian, "Chinese" represent my race here. Don't you understand?


Quantum wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:58pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 10:44pm: The word "Chinese" has multiple senses. When Chinese means a race, you are not Chinese. When Chinese means citizenship, you are a Chinese if you are a citizen of China. However, Australian is not a concept of race. There is not a race called "Australian". Australian is composed by Aboriginal, European, Asian, Indian, Muslim... So every Australian citizen are Australian. BTW, as your logic, do you think Aboriginals are Australian? Soren wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 10:36pm: If I go and live in China but watch Australian TV, speak English, and mix with Australians only and want to maintain my Australian identity at every turn - would you accept me as Chinese anyway, just because I live in China??? The Chinese are their own race now? You really are blinded by your own bias. Every point you make can be used against you. Your only reply is to say 'that different' because you don't want to face the fact that that your arguments don't make sense.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:17pm:

When I said, I am an Chinese Australian, "Chinese" represent my race here. Don't you understand?

If I migrated to China, what would I be? 

A very simple question, please answer me.

Do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

Simplified, what's your citizenship? If you are a citizen of China, you are a Chinese. If you are a citizen of Australia, you are an Australian.


... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:19pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:17pm: When I said, I am an Chinese Australian, "Chinese" represent my race here. Don't you understand? If I went to China, what would I be?

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:19pm:

A very simple question, please answer me. Do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

Of course. But I think the question you really mean to ask is; is australia aboriginal? In which case the answer is no. 

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:20pm:

Simplified, what's your citizenship? If you are a citizen of China, you are a Chinese. If you are a citizen of Australia, you are an Australian. ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:19pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:17pm: When I said, I am an Chinese Australian, "Chinese" represent my race here. Don't you understand? If I went to China, what would I be?

I am australian.  So you're saying that if I moved to china, I'd be chinese?

No, my real meaning is while Aboriginals are Australian, and Aboriginals has their own culture. Aboriginal culture is a part of Australian culture.



... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:21pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:19pm: A very simple question, please answer me. Do you think Aboriginals are Australian? Of course. But I think the question you really mean to ask is; is australia aboriginal? In which case the answer is no.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:19pm:

A very simple question, please answer me. Do you think Aboriginals are Australian?

The word "Aboriginal" has multiple senses. When Aboriginal means a race, they  are not Australian. When Aboriginal means citizenship, they are Australian.

However, Aboriginal is not a concept of citizenship. There is not a country called "Aboriginal".

This argument should convince you, it is your own argument.

Yes, if you are a citizen of China, there is no problem you say you are a Chinese.


... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:22pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:20pm: Simplified, what's your citizenship? If you are a citizen of China, you are a Chinese. If you are a citizen of Australia, you are an Australian. ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:19pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:17pm: When I said, I am an Chinese Australian, "Chinese" represent my race here. Don't you understand? If I went to China, what would I be?  I am australian.  So you're saying that if I moved to china, I'd be chinese?

Is there a race called "Australian"? No one is Australian when we talk about race.

For example, your race is not Australian too. Your race is European, maybe English or Scotch or called Anglo-Saxon.



Soren wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:25pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:19pm: A very simple question, please answer me. Do you think Aboriginals are Australian? The word "Aboriginal" has multiple senses. When Aboriginal means a race, they  are not Australian. When Aboriginal means citizenship, they are Australian. However, Aboriginal is not a concept of citizenship. There is not a country called "Aboriginal". This argument should convince you, it is your own argument.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:23pm:

No, my real meaning is while Aboriginals are Australian, and Aboriginals has their own culture. Aboriginal culture is a part of Australian culture. ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:21pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:19pm: A very simple question, please answer me. Do you think Aboriginals are Australian? Of course. But I think the question you really mean to ask is; is australia aboriginal? In which case the answer is no.

Sure, it is contained within australias total cultural output.  But then, so is every kind of sub culture - hippy, goth, paedophile, chinese etc.  When we refer to a particular culture, we don't define it by it's fringe elements, we define it by it's core.   

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:26pm:

Yes, if you are a citizen of China, there is no problem you say you are a Chinese. ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:22pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:20pm: Simplified, what's your citizenship? If you are a citizen of China, you are a Chinese. If you are a citizen of Australia, you are an Australian. ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:19pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:17pm: When I said, I am an Chinese Australian, "Chinese" represent my race here. Don't you understand? If I went to China, what would I be?  I am australian.  So you're saying that if I moved to china, I'd be chinese?

But if you get to be a chinese australian here, why can't I be an australian chinese there?

Because Australian is not a race. You maybe English Chinese, Scotch Chinese, but you can not be an Australian Chinese. 


... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:31pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:26pm: Yes, if you are a citizen of China, there is no problem you say you are a Chinese. ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:22pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:20pm: Simplified, what's your citizenship? If you are a citizen of China, you are a Chinese. If you are a citizen of Australia, you are an Australian. ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:19pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:17pm: When I said, I am an Chinese Australian, "Chinese" represent my race here. Don't you understand? If I went to China, what would I be?  I am australian.  So you're saying that if I moved to china, I'd be chinese? But if you get to be a chinese australian here, why can't I be an australian chinese there?

But I'm not english or scotch, and I'm sure not chinese.

So, what can I be when I move to China?

The core is changing every year depending on the new migrants. When the new migrants are Jews, Greeks, Italian, Chinese, Muslims, Indian, more and more culture join the Australian culture. The core is changed too.

40 years ago, "White Australia Policy" maybe a part of the core, but now, most of people in this world know it's a shame of Australia. Instead, Multiculturalism is the important part of the core now.


... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:30pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:23pm: No, my real meaning is while Aboriginals are Australian, and Aboriginals has their own culture. Aboriginal culture is a part of Australian culture. ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:21pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:19pm: A very simple question, please answer me. Do you think Aboriginals are Australian? Of course. But I think the question you really mean to ask is; is australia aboriginal? In which case the answer is no.  Sure, it is contained within australias total cultural output.  But then, so is every kind of sub culture - hippy, goth, paedophile, chinese etc.  When we refer to a particular culture, we don't define it by it's fringe elements, we define it by it's core.

What's your race? At least you are an European. Then you are an European Chinese. Just like you can call me Asian Australian if you don't know I am a Chinese or an Japanese.

And why not you are Chinese if you are a citizen of China?


... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:35pm:

But I'm not english or scotch, and I'm sure not chinese. So, what can I be when I move to China?

Culture evolves, it doesn't get replaced.  The core ain't chinese my friend.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:38pm:

What's your race? At least you are an European. Then you are an European Chinese. Just like you can call me Asian Australian if you don't know I am a Chinese or an Japanese. And why not you are Chinese if you are a citizen of China? ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:35pm: But I'm not english or scotch, and I'm sure not chinese. So, what can I be when I move to China?

But, I'm not from Europea.  I'm just a simple australian honky. 

My son was born in Australia, but his race is still Chinese. You may born here but your race is European. Can you deny?


... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:41pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:38pm: What's your race? At least you are an European. Then you are an European Chinese. Just like you can call me Asian Australian if you don't know I am a Chinese or an Japanese. And why not you are Chinese if you are a citizen of China? ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:35pm: But I'm not english or scotch, and I'm sure not chinese. So, what can I be when I move to China? But, I'm not from Europea.  I'm just a simple australian honky.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:42pm:

My son was born in Australia, but his race is still Chinese. You may born here but your race is European. Can you deny? ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:41pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:38pm: What's your race? At least you are an European. Then you are an European Chinese. Just like you can call me Asian Australian if you don't know I am a Chinese or an Japanese. And why not you are Chinese if you are a citizen of China? ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:35pm: But I'm not english or scotch, and I'm sure not chinese. So, what can I be when I move to China? But, I'm not from Europea.  I'm just a simple australian honky.

I find that gravely offensive sir.  We prefer to be known as honkies.

If you call your own race as honky, then when you immigrant to China, you can call yourself as a honky Chinese.  ;D


... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:44pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:42pm: My son was born in Australia, but his race is still Chinese. You may born here but your race is European. Can you deny? ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:41pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:38pm: What's your race? At least you are an European. Then you are an European Chinese. Just like you can call me Asian Australian if you don't know I am a Chinese or an Japanese. And why not you are Chinese if you are a citizen of China? ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:35pm: But I'm not english or scotch, and I'm sure not chinese. So, what can I be when I move to China? But, I'm not from Europea.  I'm just a simple australian honky.  I find that gravely offensive sir.  We prefer to be known as honkies.

I never said the core of Australian culture is Chinese culture only. And I never expect to use Chinese culture to replace Australian culture.

However, with more and more Chinese come to Australia as citizen, more characters of Chinese culture will become part of the core. It's the process of culture evolving.


... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:40pm:

Culture evolves, it doesn't get replaced.  The core ain't chinese my friend.

Bowen wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:50pm:

I never said the core of Australian culture is Chinese culture only. And I never expect to use Chinese culture to replace Australian culture. However, with more and more Chinese come to Australia as citizen, more characters of Chinese culture will become part of the core. It's the process of culture evolving. ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:40pm: Culture evolves, it doesn't get replaced.  The core ain't chinese my friend.

patience my friend.  It is a slow process.

I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures.

For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public.


... wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:55pm:

Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:50pm: I never said the core of Australian culture is Chinese culture only. And I never expect to use Chinese culture to replace Australian culture. However, with more and more Chinese come to Australia as citizen, more characters of Chinese culture will become part of the core. It's the process of culture evolving. ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:40pm: Culture evolves, it doesn't get replaced.  The core ain't chinese my friend. patience my friend.  It is a slow process.

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:00am:

I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures. For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public.

I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:21am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:00am: I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures. For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public. I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well.

But oh no you dont consider yourself racist

SOB

This is my expectation in Australia. I decided to be an Australian when I made the deal with the government of Australia, no matter what you think.

Both you and me have the rights to live in Australia. I don't care you speak English, eat western food, watch English TV and celebrate Christmas. So I do not need to leave. However, if you can not live with me as your neighbor when I speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV and celebrate Chinese New Year, you can leave Australia to find a country that people only speak English, eat western food...blabla


Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:21am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:00am: I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures. For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public. I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well.

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 12:00am:

I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures. For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public. ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:55pm: Bowen wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:50pm: I never said the core of Australian culture is Chinese culture only. And I never expect to use Chinese culture to replace Australian culture. However, with more and more Chinese come to Australia as citizen, more characters of Chinese culture will become part of the core. It's the process of culture evolving. ... wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 11:40pm: Culture evolves, it doesn't get replaced.  The core ain't chinese my friend. patience my friend.  It is a slow process.

Fair enough.  But know that when 200,000 people from around the world migrate here every year, this is a transformation on a scale never before seen.  When cultural change is forced instead of allowed to gradually evolve, there will be growing pains and a backlash.  Not much you or I can do about it.  Chalk it up to consequences of the disparity between what the australian people want, and what their power elite give them.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 4:57am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:21am: Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:00am: I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures. For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public. I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well. But oh no you dont consider yourself racist SOB

There was nothing racist about my comment you leftwing brainwashed moron. You clearly have no idea what race is. You still think culture and race are the same thing.

Here is a question for you;

I have said several times my ancestry is Scottish. I however have nothing Scottish about me. I don't act, dress, or speak like a scot. If a Scottish person came to Australia, couldn't speak a word of English but only Gaelic, and acted like a Scot in every way and wanted nothing to do with Australians; if I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist?

According to you it does. But I'm sure you will try to avoid facing reality by saying "but that's different because they are white". Basically, your only defense will be to bring race into it. You will ignore the obvious fact that someone can be anti multicultural and not racist, because culture and race are not the same thing!

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 6:13am:

This is my expectation in Australia. I decided to be an Australian when I made the deal with the government of Australia, no matter what you think. Both you and me have the rights to live in Australia. I don't care you speak English, eat western food, watch English TV and celebrate Christmas. So I do not need to leave. However, if you can not live with me as your neighbor when I speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV and celebrate Chinese New Year, you can leave Australia to find a country that people only speak English, eat western food...blabla Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:21am: Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:00am: I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures. For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public. I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well.

It was called Australia. It it's getting buggered up quick smart by selfish people like you who want to have your cake and eat it as well.

You are Chinese. You have made it clear that Chinese culture is traditional and allowed to exist. You want to bring Chinese culture to Australia. At the same time you refuse to admit that Australian culture even exist. So you don't care if it gets destroyed.

The world according to you;
*China for Chinese culture.
*Australia for everyone including Chinese culture.

My culture is getting wiped out. There is nowhere on earth where my culture exist. You of course can always just got back to china. However you want to preserve your culture whilst wiping out mine, and then say I'm the bad guy.

Culture and race are not same thing. However, living in my culture is my human rights as freedom of religion. What you want is to bereave my human rights. You just try to hide your racism behind your willing against human rights. When you stand for "White Australia Policy", you already exposed your racism.

If you deny you are a racist, can you answer me, do you think "White Australia Policy" is crime and shame or a right policy?


Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:02am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:57am: Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:21am: Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:00am: I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures. For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public. I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well. But oh no you dont consider yourself racist SOB There was nothing racist about my comment you leftwing brainwashed moron. You clearly have no idea what race is. You still think culture and race are the same thing. Here is a question for you; I have said several times my ancestry is Scottish. I however have nothing Scottish about me. I don't act, dress, or speak like a scot. If a Scottish person came to Australia, couldn't speak a word of English but only Gaelic, and acted like a Scot in every way and wanted nothing to do with Australians; if I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist? According to you it does. But I'm sure you will try to avoid facing reality by saying "but that's different because they are white". Basically, your only defense will be to bring race into it. You will ignore the obvious fact that someone can be anti multicultural and not racist, because culture and race are not the same thing!

You are wrong. Australia is not a pure culture society. Australia is a multicultural society no matter if you like. If you want a pure English culture society, you may go back to UK.

http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our-country
Please read the paragraph about Culture

That's why I decided to be an Australian.


Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:18am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 6:13am: This is my expectation in Australia. I decided to be an Australian when I made the deal with the government of Australia, no matter what you think. Both you and me have the rights to live in Australia. I don't care you speak English, eat western food, watch English TV and celebrate Christmas. So I do not need to leave. However, if you can not live with me as your neighbor when I speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV and celebrate Chinese New Year, you can leave Australia to find a country that people only speak English, eat western food...blabla Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:21am: Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:00am: I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures. For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public. I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well. It was called Australia. It it's getting buggered up quick smart by selfish people like you who want to have your cake and eat it as well. You are Chinese. You have made it clear that Chinese culture is traditional and allowed to exist. You want to bring Chinese culture to Australia. At the same time you refuse to admit that Australian culture even exist. So you don't care if it gets destroyed. The world according to you; *China for Chinese culture. *Australia for everyone including Chinese culture. My culture is getting wiped out. There is nowhere on earth where my culture exist. You of course can always just got back to china. However you want to preserve your culture whilst wiping out mine, and then say I'm the bad guy.

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:22am:

Culture and race are not same thing. However, living in my culture is my human rights as freedom of religion. What you want is to bereave my human rights. You just try to hide your racism behind your willing against human rights. When you stand for "White Australia Policy", you already exposed your racism. If you deny you are a racist, can you answer me, do you think "White Australia Policy" is crime and shame or a right policy?

When did I support white Australian policy? I have maintained that I have an issue with multiculturalism because it does not work. You are proof of that. I have never said I am against people because of their race.

You throw words like "human rights" and "racism" around as a way of avoiding the issue. When a nation brings people on mass from other countries and then lets them live just like they did in the second rate countries they came from, then the new host country falls apart.

I would rather hangout with a chinaman that speaks English than a scot that speaks Gaelic. But in your brainwashed "I have human rights" view I would somehow still be a "racist". It doesn't matter than I am white and hanging out with an Asian over another white man, I would still be racist because that's the only argument you have. You simply can't accept that you don't have a consistent view on this issue, and the only support you ever get is from that fvckwit spot who is an even more brainwashed leftwing nut than you are.

Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:02am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:57am: Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:21am: Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:00am: I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures. For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public. I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well. But oh no you dont consider yourself racist SOB There was nothing racist about my comment you leftwing brainwashed moron. You clearly have no idea what race is. You still think culture and race are the same thing. Here is a question for you; I have said several times my ancestry is Scottish. I however have nothing Scottish about me. I don't act, dress, or speak like a scot. If a Scottish person came to Australia, couldn't speak a word of English but only Gaelic, and acted like a Scot in every way and wanted nothing to do with Australians; if I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist? According to you it does. But I'm sure you will try to avoid facing reality by saying "but that's different because they are white". Basically, your only defense will be to bring race into it. You will ignore the obvious fact that someone can be anti multicultural and not racist, because culture and race are not the same thing!

Because you are using the word to mean the same thing. You are hiding behind the word "culture" to mask your racism but it isnt working.

SOB

Can you explain the difference between your opinion and this one?


Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

The Australia of today, is not the Australia that it was, yesterday. Australia, once, was a 'diamond', among nations. And many people, around the world, recognised how 'precious' Australia culture was [i am talking about pre 1950-60]. Today, Australia is rapidly becoming a container of diluted sewage, imo.

When you talk about you did not support white australia policy, you have the same goal of the policy indeed. You want a pure white culture Australia and don't care others human rights.

Human rights is human rights. I talk about it because your will damage my human rights.

Multiculturalism did not make the country apart. It's racists like you make the country apart.


Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:37am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 10:22am: Culture and race are not same thing. However, living in my culture is my human rights as freedom of religion. What you want is to bereave my human rights. You just try to hide your racism behind your willing against human rights. When you stand for "White Australia Policy", you already exposed your racism. If you deny you are a racist, can you answer me, do you think "White Australia Policy" is crime and shame or a right policy? When did I support white Australian policy? I have maintained that I have an issue with multiculturalism because it does not work. You are proof of that. I have never said I am against people because of their race. You throw words like "human rights" and "racism" around as a way of avoiding the issue. When a nation brings people on mass from other countries and then lets them live just like they did in the second rate countries they came from, then the new host country falls apart. I would rather hangout with a chinaman that speaks English than a scot that speaks Gaelic. But in your brainwashed "I have human rights" view I would somehow still be a "racist". It doesn't matter than I am white and hanging out with an Asian over another white man, I would still be racist because that's the only argument you have. You simply can't accept that you don't have a consistent view on this issue, and the only support you ever get is from that fvckwit spot who is an even more brainwashed leftwing nut than you are.

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:26am:

You are wrong. Australia is not a pure culture society. Australia is a multicultural society no matter if you like. If you want a pure English culture society, you may go back to UK.

Which shows you have no idea what the hell is going on in western nations. England is more buggered up with multiculturalism than Australia.

People just like you have gone to England with the same attitude of "stuff English culture, I want to take my culture with me" and now that nation has been ruined.

And for the last time, Australian culture and English culture are not the same. The fact that you keep ignoring this point, the fact that you keep pretending that Australian culture doesn't exist, the more you are showing what a self centered bigoted bastard you are. You throw the words like "racist" around, but you can't even see what a racist jerk you are. In your eyes, all whites are the same. White English, white Australian, no difference according to Bowen. But of course if one was to say that the Japanese and Chinese are the same, after all they are all Asian, that would be "racist".

You have come to the country I was born in and have insisted that I respect the culture you bring whilst also insisting that my culture doesn't exist. You demand respect yet show none.


Quote:

http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our-country Please read the paragraph about Culture That's why I decided to be an Australian.

No, you decided to live in Australia. You did not decided to be an Australian. Had you decided to be an Australian you would stop living like you were still back in china.

Bowen wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:50am:

Can you explain the difference between your opinion and this one? Yadda wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:50pm: The Australia of today, is not the Australia that it was, yesterday. Australia, once, was a 'diamond', among nations. And many people, around the world, recognised how 'precious' Australia culture was [i am talking about pre 1950-60]. Today, Australia is rapidly becoming a container of diluted sewage, imo. When you talk about you did not support white australia policy, you have the same goal of the policy indeed. You want a pure white culture Australia and don't care others human rights. Human rights is human rights. I talk about it because your will damage my human rights.

And where did Yadda mention anything about white Australia policy? He mentioned nothing about race at all.

I agree with what Yadda said. Australia was a great nation that people wanted to be a part of. Old immigrants came to Australia because it was great. They wanted to be Australian. Modern immigrants like you just want to live here whilst not being Australian. That's what is destroying this country. It is not your facial features, it is the second rate culture that you bring that is destroying the great culture that we had.

Oh, there is not a country with pure English culture now. You can not find such a country already. I believe it's the time for you to recognize that, a pure culture society is not exist.

If you go to Beijing, Shanghai, or even some smaller Chinese cities, you will find, It's almost a western city. Even in Muslim country, you can find Dubai which has so much characters of western culture.

Why you refuse to look at the world?


Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:51am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 10:26am: You are wrong. Australia is not a pure culture society. Australia is a multicultural society no matter if you like. If you want a pure English culture society, you may go back to UK. Which shows you have no idea what the hell is going on in western nations. England is more buggered up with multiculturalism than Australia. People just like you have gone to England with the same attitude of "stuff English culture, I want to take my culture with me" and now that nation has been ruined. And for the last time, Australian culture and English culture are not the same. The fact that you keep ignoring this point, the fact that you keep pretending that Australian culture doesn't exist, the more you are showing what a self centered bigoted bastard you are. You throw the words like "racist" around, but you can't even see what a racist jerk you are. In your eyes, all whites are the same. White English, white Australian, no difference according to Bowen. But of course if one was to say that the Japanese and Chinese are the same, after all they are all Asian, that would be "racist". You have come to the country I was born in and have insisted that I respect the culture you bring whilst also insisting that my culture doesn't exist. You demand respect yet show none. Quote: http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our-country Please read the paragraph about Culture That's why I decided to be an Australian. No, you decided to live in Australia. You did not decided to be an Australian. Had you decided to be an Australian you would stop living like you were still back in china.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:47am:

Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 10:02am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:57am: Quantum wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:21am: Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:00am: I am not hurry to change Australian culture. I just want to keep the good part of my own culture. And I do not refuse to learn from other cultures. For example, I only expect the other Australian respect my rights to speak Chinese, eat Chinese food, watch Chinese TV, celebrate Chinese New Year..., etc. in public. I know a country where you can do all those things already. No need to bring it to Australia as well. But oh no you dont consider yourself racist SOB There was nothing racist about my comment you leftwing brainwashed moron. You clearly have no idea what race is. You still think culture and race are the same thing. Here is a question for you; I have said several times my ancestry is Scottish. I however have nothing Scottish about me. I don't act, dress, or speak like a scot. If a Scottish person came to Australia, couldn't speak a word of English but only Gaelic, and acted like a Scot in every way and wanted nothing to do with Australians; if I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist? According to you it does. But I'm sure you will try to avoid facing reality by saying "but that's different because they are white". Basically, your only defense will be to bring race into it. You will ignore the obvious fact that someone can be anti multicultural and not racist, because culture and race are not the same thing! Because you are using the word to mean the same thing. You are hiding behind the word "culture" to mask your racism but it isnt working. SOB

No spot. You don't want to answer the question because it shows that your racism accusations are baseless. You are the one trying to make the word race and culture mean the same thing so you can hide behind racism accusations. You are trying to put racism into my words where there is none because you have no other argument. Simply answer the question;

If I said "go back to Scotland if you don't want to be Australian", does that make me racist?

Ha, you do not stand for "White Australia Policy", but you love the society in 1950s-1960s under "White Australia Policy" very much.

SOB got the point, you just hide your racism behind the word culture.


Quantum wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:57am:

Bowen wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 10:50am: Can you explain the difference between your opinion and this one? Yadda wrote on May 30th, 2013 at 10:50pm: The Australia of today, is not the Australia that it was, yesterday. Australia, once, was a 'diamond', among nations. And many people, around the world, recognised how 'precious' Australia culture was [i am talking about pre 1950-60]. Today, Australia is rapidly becoming a container of diluted sewage, imo. When you talk about you did not support white australia policy, you have the same goal of the policy indeed. You want a pure white culture Australia and don't care others human rights. Human rights is human rights. I talk about it because your will damage my human rights. And where did Yadda mention anything about white Australia policy? He mentioned nothing about race at all. I agree with what Yadda said. Australia was a great nation that people wanted to be a part of. Old immigrants came to Australia because it was great. They wanted to be Australian. Modern immigrants like you just want to live here whilst not being Australian. That's what is destroying this country. It is not your facial features, it is the second rate culture that you bring that is destroying the great culture that we had.