SHOOTINGS, extortion and general violence [in Sydney's west],   ....but this has nothing to do with ISLAM, or the influence of moslem community in Sydney's west.
/sarc off






Quote:

SHOOTINGS, extortion and general violence is so out of control in south-west Sydney that residents and children are seeking medical help for post-traumatic stress disorders. Gangs from opposing religious sects are also extorting money from restaurants in the area with at least three premises fire-bombed or shot at in the past few weeks. ....."There are a number of shooting incidents at restaurants in the Bankstown area we are looking at," said Detective Superintendent Debbie Wallace, head of the Middle Eastern Crime Squad. "Victims of these types of crimes are very reluctant to come forward, naturally because of the fear," Supt Wallace said.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/12/sunni-shiite-jihad-comes-to-australia-shootings-extortions-and-threats-in-sydney.html
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydneys-violent-wild-wild-west/story-e6freuy9-1226531752412








Australia, just one, among the many lands to 'enjoy' the ISLAMIC peace.
Coz moslem communities bring along with them the 'ISLAMIC peace', into every country they infect come to live in.
/sarc off

Murder, rape, extortion;         These crimes are all halal [permitted] for moslems, so long as the victims of these crimes are deemed to be 'infidels'.

And of course, even moslems are infidels, if they are the wrong kind of moslems.

THAT IS THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM.




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"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

so Yadda, these (presumably) muslim criminals are carrying out Allah's work - as opposed to being just common criminals?

Can you show me the evidence that these crimes are committed by practicing muslims who are motivated by islam?

I was talking to a family member the other day about the amount of fires in Sydney's south west. We had an idea it was members of Sydney's islamic community using fire as an extortion tactic. Abu talks about big bad whitey and his racism towards muslims but it's other muslims doing bad things. They are shooting and stealing from one another. Talk about muslim sisterhood and brotherhood.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8^th, 2012 at 10:43am:

so Yadda, these (presumably) muslim criminals are carrying out Allah's work - as opposed to being just common criminals? Can you show me the evidence that these crimes are committed by practicing muslims who are motivated by islam?

Thailand
Burma
Philippines
Indonesia
Malaysia
Lebanon
Turkey
Syria
Egypt
Tunisia
Libya
and on,
and on,
and on....



gandalf,

Can you tell me what motivates the moslems in those nations, to intimidate, rape, kill and rob and to oppress 'other' people ?

Is it because those 'other' people, do not believe what moslems believe ?

It is because those 'other' people, are deemed by moslems, to be infidels, and therefore worthy of,
.....no mercy from moslems ?




http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/birgitta-aimeby.jpg

Quote:

Muslims like to brag that theirs is the fastest-growing religion, but don’t like to say how.  Last week in Pakistan, a 70-year-old Christian missionary (above) was shot in the neck for preaching a faith other than Islam, and a 14-year-old Christian girl was kidnapped, raped for eleven days and then ‘converted’ to the Religion of Peace with the approval of a local imam.

Here is a catalogue of the actions of people claiming to be moslems, and claiming to be serving ISLAM/Allah....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/


gandalf,

Are those miscreants liars [i.e. are they not REAL moslems] ?





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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......A moslem, promoting, justifying, ISLAM's murder of those who do not believe, as they believe.


Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

Thats nice Yadda, but you've completely avoided my question. Try again.

Hint: we're talking about crime in Sydney and who commits it.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8^th, 2012 at 10:43am:

so Yadda, these (presumably) muslim criminals are carrying out Allah's work - as opposed to being just common criminals?

gandalf,

As you are very well aware, no moslem is a criminal.

Allah has declared that all moslems are righteous people'enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong'.


"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah.......[and it is the 'unbelievers' who] are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110








Quote:

Can you show me the evidence that these crimes are committed by practicing muslims who are motivated by islam?

Quote:

Gangs from opposing religious sects are also extorting money from restaurants in the area with at least three premises fire-bombed or shot at in the past few weeks. Gee, Mark, which religious sects? Baptists and Methodists? Calvinists and Arminians? .....    She confirmed that in some cases religion is used by those making the threats. Zowie, Supt Wallace, which religion? Jainism? Zen Buddhism? .....    Dr Jamal Riffi, a general practitioner and one of the most respected Muslim leaders in the area said he was seeing an increasing number of patients who were suffering anxiety from being extorted.     "I have patients who have small businesses who are being intimidated and extorted on a weekly basis," he said.     "It is the worst I have ever seen it. Some of these men are hiding behind their religion, saying they are Muslims and have a right to do what they are doing. That is wrong. They are criminals threatening people in their own community."     An angry Dr Riffi, who has a good relationship with police in the area and on the Middle eastern gang squad, said it was time the police hierarchy and politicians did something seriously about the problem. If these people are criminals hiding behind their Islamic faith, shouldn't the Muslim community do something about it? Or is it all up to the police hierarchy and politicians?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/12/sunni-shiite-jihad-comes-to-australia-shootings-extortions-and-threats-in-sydney.html

Yadda I have no doubt that at least some of these crimes are committed by young men of a muslim background. Thats not what I'm asking though. I'm asking where is the evidence that these men are practicing muslims who commit their crimes specifically in the name of islam. This is an important point since you went to great lengths to (mis)quote quranic verses linking islam with this sort of behaviour - clearly insinuating that these criminals were in fact motivated by islam. So is it not reasonable to ask for evidence that indicates that these men are this religiously inspired type of criminal?

Real Moslems wouldn't be doing that.
Real Moslems would be teaching people who to read and write regardless of the language and the story told.

Isn't that right Islam ;)

Seriously yadda sydneys west as always been like that. It has nothing to do with islam.

SOB

Agree. I did 10 years in Mt Druitt as a kid. Probably 100 fights before I even got to High School. It was a case of spot the Moslem if ever there was.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

Yadda I have no doubt that at least some of these crimes are committed by young men of a muslim background. Thats not what I'm asking though. I'm asking where is the evidence that these men are practicing muslims who commit their crimes specifically in the name of islam. This is an important point since you went to great lengths to (mis)quote quranic verses linking islam with this sort of behaviour - clearly insinuating that these criminals were in fact motivated by islam. So is it not reasonable to ask for evidence that indicates that these men are this religiously inspired type of criminal?

gandalf,

Silly boy!




All moslems are practicing moslems.

Otherwise they would be INFIDELS.



And all ISLAMIC sources agree on that point, that a NON-practicing moslem, is an apostate [i.e. a non-moslem, AN INFIDEL].

So how can you refer to those criminals as 'moslems', UNLESS THEY ARE MOSLEMS, and their conduct, though seemingly reprehensible, is sanctioned by ISLAM ?



Q.
Why so, why would such ['unlawful'] conduct be permitted [among its cadres] by ISLAM, and by the [pious moslem] leaders of the ISLAMIC community ?

A.
So as to create societal chaos within a Kuffar jurisdiction [ <---- which is TOTALLY in-line with ISLAMIC tactics, and the broader strategic ISLAMIC interests, to undermine the laws and society of the infidels. So as to create societal chaos within a Kuffar jurisdiction.]






MORE HERE....

Quote:

Walid Shoebat explains that MURUNA [i.e. engaging in [normally] prohibited conduct] is sanctioned [made lawful] by ISLAM [for practising moslems], so long as the intended consequence [of engaging in the [normally] prohibited conduct] was to advance the interests of ISLAM, in the Western nation, where the moslem is living.

MURUNA, is; to make legal, what is prohibited
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1354878259/0#0

Yadda wrote on Dec 9^th, 2012 at 10:50pm:

All moslems are practicing moslems. Otherwise they would be INFIDELS.

So how do you know these criminals are not infidels then? Presumably you have evidence that these are genuine, practicing muslims - as opposed to apostates/infidels?

You know, rather than being under-cover agents of a sinister worldwide islamic takeover plan, these uneducated, unemployed sons/grandsons of Lebanese refugees might just be common criminals who have no affiliation with islam? Maybe??

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 9^th, 2012 at 5:15am:

Seriously yadda sydneys west as always been like that. It has nothing to do with islam. SOB

It's not happening in Sydney's west. It's mostly happening in the SW of sydney. Not far from the city.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 10^th, 2012 at 4:32am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 9th, 2012 at 5:15am: Seriously yadda sydneys west as always been like that. It has nothing to do with islam. SOB It's not happening in Sydney's west. It's mostly happening in the SW of sydney. Not far from the city.

Do the area changes slightly with population movement.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 10^th, 2012 at 5:46am:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 4:32am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 9th, 2012 at 5:15am: Seriously yadda sydneys west as always been like that. It has nothing to do with islam. SOB It's not happening in Sydney's west. It's mostly happening in the SW of sydney. Not far from the city. Do the area changes slightly with population movement. SOB

I don't know what you are alluding to. The fact of the matter is that it's a middle eastern issue involing certain parts of SW sydney. That's just reality.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 10^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

The fact of the matter is that it's a middle eastern issue involing certain parts of SW sydney. That's just reality.

The source posted in the OP suggested there was warfare between rival ethnic  gangs. So presuming the middle-easterners are on one side, who are they fighting? It takes two to tango. Traditionally the main ethnic gang violence in Sydney has been between Lebanese and Vietnamese - and other times the notorious white bikie gangs have been involved. Exactly who is involved here?

Big Dave wrote on Dec 10^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 5:46am: Big Dave wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 4:32am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 9th, 2012 at 5:15am: Seriously yadda sydneys west as always been like that. It has nothing to do with islam. SOB It's not happening in Sydney's west. It's mostly happening in the SW of sydney. Not far from the city. Do the area changes slightly with population movement. SOB I don't know what you are alluding to. The fact of the matter is that it's a middle eastern issue involing certain parts of SW sydney. That's just reality.

Thats just who you perceive are living there now. The faces change.

SOB

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 10^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 5:21pm: The fact of the matter is that it's a middle eastern issue involing certain parts of SW sydney. That's just reality. The source posted in the OP suggested there was warfare between rival ethnic  gangs. So presuming the middle-easterners are on one side, who are they fighting? It takes two to tango. Traditionally the main ethnic gang violence in Sydney has been between Lebanese and Vietnamese - and other times the notorious white bikie gangs have been involved. Exactly who is involved here?

I wouldn't be surprised if it was those other intellectual giants, the islanders.

Soren wrote on Dec 11^th, 2012 at 10:34am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 7:10pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 5:21pm: The fact of the matter is that it's a middle eastern issue involing certain parts of SW sydney. That's just reality. The source posted in the OP suggested there was warfare between rival ethnic  gangs. So presuming the middle-easterners are on one side, who are they fighting? It takes two to tango. Traditionally the main ethnic gang violence in Sydney has been between Lebanese and Vietnamese - and other times the notorious white bikie gangs have been involved. Exactly who is involved here? I wouldn't be surprised if it was those other intellectual giants, the islanders.

Well you have shown your intellect by not saying that to their faces.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 10^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 5:21pm: The fact of the matter is that it's a middle eastern issue involing certain parts of SW sydney. That's just reality. The source posted in the OP suggested there was warfare between rival ethnic  gangs. So presuming the middle-easterners are on one side, who are they fighting? It takes two to tango. Traditionally the main ethnic gang violence in Sydney has been between Lebanese and Vietnamese - and other times the notorious white bikie gangs have been involved. Exactly who is involved here?

It's not involving rival ethnic gangs. It's middle eastern criminals extorting money from local businesses in their  communities. The people extorting and being extorted happen to be muslim. I got this info from aussiemuslim.com.

Big Dave - from the OP article:


Quote:

Gangs from opposing religious sects

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 11^th, 2012 at 2:39pm:

Big Dave - from the OP article: Quote: Gangs from opposing religious sects

There was an article posted on aussiemuslim about businesses ( food places) being extorted from and burnt down (if they don't pay up)by criminal gangs. Their opinion was that certain asian muslim groups were being targeted . They never mentioned that the people being extorted from were involved in gangs. Just ordinary business people. That's what I thought the article was about. Cheers.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2012 at 10:36am:

Soren wrote on Dec 11th, 2012 at 10:34am: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 7:10pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 5:21pm: The fact of the matter is that it's a middle eastern issue involing certain parts of SW sydney. That's just reality. The source posted in the OP suggested there was warfare between rival ethnic  gangs. So presuming the middle-easterners are on one side, who are they fighting? It takes two to tango. Traditionally the main ethnic gang violence in Sydney has been between Lebanese and Vietnamese - and other times the notorious white bikie gangs have been involved. Exactly who is involved here? I wouldn't be surprised if it was those other intellectual giants, the islanders. Well you have shown your intellect by not saying that to their faces.

It's OK to say it to them with a smile. They don't understand long words like 'intellectual'.  They'd think you called them nice giants.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 11^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 7:10pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 10th, 2012 at 5:21pm: The fact of the matter is that it's a middle eastern issue involing certain parts of SW sydney. That's just reality. The source posted in the OP suggested there was warfare between rival ethnic  gangs. So presuming the middle-easterners are on one side, who are they fighting? It takes two to tango. Traditionally the main ethnic gang violence in Sydney has been between Lebanese and Vietnamese - and other times the notorious white bikie gangs have been involved. Exactly who is involved here? It's not involving rival ethnic gangs. It's middle eastern criminals extorting money from local businesses in their  communities. The people extorting and being extorted happen to be muslim. I got this info from aussiemuslim.com.

Now I'm surprised they didn't say it way joo gangters.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 11^th, 2012 at 2:39pm:

Big Dave - from the OP article: Quote: Gangs from opposing religious sects

gandalf, OH BLIND ONE - from the OP article:


Quote:

Gangs from opposing religious sects are also extorting money from restaurants in the area with at least three premises fire-bombed or shot at in the past few weeks. Gee, Mark, which religious sects? Baptists and Methodists? Calvinists and Arminians? ........."It is the worst I have ever seen it. Some of these men are hiding behind their religion, saying they are Muslims and have a right to do what they are doing. That is wrong. They are criminals threatening people in their own community."     An angry Dr Riffi, who has a good relationship with police in the area and on the Middle eastern gang squad, said it was time the police hierarchy and politicians did something seriously about the problem. If these people are criminals hiding behind their Islamic faith, shouldn't the Muslim community do something about it? Or is it all up to the police hierarchy and politicians?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/12/sunni-shiite-jihad-comes-to-australia-shootings-extortions-and-threats-in-sydney.html






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gandalf,

When moslem gangs or individuals commit crimes in Europe [you know, grooming under-age white girls, plying them with drugs and alcohol, then raping them, the extortion, the intimidation, the destruction of property of others, etc.],
......the European media are too politically correct to refer to those individuals as MOSLEMS.

And almost everyone in Europe knows that the moslem community in Europe is heavily involved in criminality in European societies.

But instead of identifying these miscreants and CRIMINALS as moslems, the the European media will often refer to those moslem criminals as 'asian youths',
......thereby also tainting the [good moral] reputation of Hindus and Budhists and the [law-abiding] members of other asian communities with, THE CRIMES OF MEMBERS OF THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY.



gandalf,

Don't you think that this mis-reporting by the media is unfair upon the mostly [lawabiding] members of other asian communities in Europe ???

Shouldn't those moslems who commit crimes, be identified as moslems ?    [....so as to protect the reputation of the [lawabiding] members of other asian communities ? ]






MORE HERE ON THE NATURE OF THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR OF MEMBERS OF THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY.
AND HOW MOSLEM CRIMINALITY CAN BE DEEMED BY ISLAM, TO BE 'RIGHTEOUS' CONDUCT....

Quote:

Walid Shoebat explains that MURUNA [i.e. engaging in [normally] prohibited conduct] is sanctioned [made lawful] by ISLAM [for practising moslems], so long as the intended consequence [of engaging in the [normally] prohibited conduct] was to advance the interests of ISLAM, in the Western nation, where the moslem is living.

MURUNA, is; to make legal, what is prohibited
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1354878259/0#0

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

gandalf, When moslem gangs or individuals commit crimes in Europe [you know, grooming under-age white girls, plying them with drugs and alcohol, then raping them, the extortion, the intimidation, the destruction of property of others, etc.], ......the European media are too politically correct to refer to those individuals as MOSLEMS. ......Shouldn't those moslems who commit crimes, be identified as moslems ?    [....so as to protect the reputation of the [lawabiding] members of other asian communities ? ]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/27/article-2209662-12FFF051000005DC-106_638x412.jpg
gandalf; What right do you have to call these people criminals, and declare that they are not moslems ???
Do you have such a right to call these men criminals, when they claim that they are moslems ?



Quote:

Betrayed by the PC brigade: From the Mail writer who first revealed the scandal of Muslim sex gangs, a damning exposé of how politically correct police and social workers betrayed underage white victims

http://muslimrapewave.wordpress.com/page/4/

gawd, they're ugly fvckers.

Soren wrote on Dec 11^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

gawd, they're ugly fvckers.

Careful soren, they may be 'offended' by your opinion about how they 'appear'.       :P

After all, someone may think that they look like 'asians' !!!!!        :P

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

Don't you think that this mis-reporting by the media is unfair upon the mostly [lawabiding] members of other asian communities in Europe ???

Now you're just being hysterical. Everyone knows about the notorious Vietnamese gangs and drug rackets in Cabramatta. Everyone knows about the Chinese (and other east asian) prostitution and other child slave rings that run rampant in Sydney. The only asian criminals in Australia are muslim? Give me freaking break. Then there's the "white" crime that probably eclpises them all. Not aware of the bikie gang warfare over the last few years? - then you must be living in a cave.

Finally, I have yet to see any substantive evidence that this so called "middle-east" crime is 1. rampant in Sydney (ie relative to other non-middle east crime) and 2. even predominantly committed by practicing muslims. Only anecdotes and sweeping generalisations. Most of our Lebanese population is christian - are any of those involved? I don't know - and neither it seems do you.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 12^th, 2012 at 7:11am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 11th, 2012 at 9:09pm: Don't you think that this mis-reporting by the media is unfair upon the mostly [lawabiding] members of other asian communities in Europe ??? Now you're just being hysterical......

I was once bitten by a very aggressive dog.

Although i was bitten by a dog once, i don't treat or approach all dogs, like the dog that bit me.

But if a dog approaches me in an aggressive manner, i will treat that aggressive dog, as an aggressive dog,
...and not as a friendly dog.

That is discrimination, and that 'discrimination' is it prudent.

And [if i can] i will not let that aggressive dog get close enough to bite me.





ISLAM, is an 'aggressive dog'.

And all moslems are suspect, because all moslems are persons who choose to associate themselves with ISLAM.

They [all moslems], choose to accept the tenets and laws of ISLAM.

Dictionary;
tenet = = a principle or belief.



Therefore, if a person self declares to me, that he is a moslem,
....i know what it is that he has chosen to embrace.

Deceit, falsehood, threats, intimidation, vicious violence, murder, are all lawful and accepted [by moslems], as means to promote the interests of ISLAM.

And that is the 'mark' of a moslem.




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THE LAW OF ISLAM;
HATRED FOR THE DISBELIEVERS, AND NEVER ENDING ENMITY AND WARFARE AGAINST THEM....


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196



"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


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IMAGE...
http://undhimmi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/example-of-the-indoctrination-and-propaganda-rebroadcast-by-palestinian-media-watch.jpg
'Martyrdom is a very beautiful thing'





IMAGE...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/PATV300307.jpg
'It our muslim destiny to rid the world of Jews'





IMAGE...
http://www.wnd.com/images2/bee.jpg
'Even Allah's creatures testify that Jews are Allah's enemies'





IMAGE...
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.nationalpost.com/news/2056316.bin?size=404x272
'And they too know that to slaughter the Jews is the right thing to do'





IMAGE...
http://www.thebuggyprofessor.org/uploadImages/GodBlessHitler.jpg
God bless Hitler?





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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/middleeast28_04.jpg
The real holocaust is coming?




IMAGE...
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg
London, moslem street protests.
'Demonstrating' just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslem really are.



THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"





ISLAM, is a rabid dog, A RAVENING WOLF,
Those who 'self declare' as moslems, are its legitimate 'pack' members


Dictionary;
rabid = =
1 extreme; fanatical.
2 of, relating to, or affected with rabies.

^ hmmm apparently thats Yadda not being hysterical.

Let me sum up why I think you are wrong:

1. You quote all the "bad" things from the quran (without understanding their context), but ignore all the things that promote a message of peace and tolerance. And don't say they aren't there - a quick google search easily finds them. You can start, for example, with:

Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities.  Lo! God loveth not aggressors - 2:190

2. You quote all the violent and intolerant muslims, but ignore the many many more that are not violent and intolerant - and who actively promote a message of peace and tolerance (as per the quran). For example you always post pictures of the notorious "beheading" protestors in Sydney, but you never mention the Islamic Council of Melbourne who unequivocally denounced those protestors - not to mention the many many muslims all over the world who always appear to condemn islamic violence and intolerance wherever it occurs.

3. Related to my previous post which you again ignored, you dishonestly portray muslim crime as the most prolific in society - which I guarantee you it is not. As I mentioned before, in Sydney, crime committed by muslim gangs pales compared to (white) bikie gang crimes and Chinese triad crimes - to name just two.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 12^th, 2012 at 11:40am:

^ hmmm apparently thats Yadda not being hysterical. Let me sum up why I think you are wrong: 1. You quote all the "bad" things from the quran (without understanding their context), but ignore all the things that promote a message of peace and tolerance. And don't say they aren't there - a quick google search easily finds them. You can start, for example, with: Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities.  Lo! God loveth not aggressors - 2:190 2. You quote all the violent and intolerant muslims, but ignore the many many more that are not violent and intolerant - and who actively promote a message of peace and tolerance (as per the quran). For example you always post pictures of the notorious "beheading" protestors in Sydney, but you never mention the Islamic Council of Melbourne who unequivocally denounced those protestors - not to mention the many many muslims all over the world who always appear to condemn islamic violence and intolerance wherever it occurs. 3. Related to my previous post which you again ignored, you dishonestly portray muslim crime as the most prolific in society - which I guarantee you it is not. As I mentioned before, in Sydney, crime committed by muslim gangs pales compared to (white) bikie gang crimes and Chinese triad crimes - to name just two.

gandalf,

I do not know [i cannot PROVE] if you are a dissembler or just uninformed [i.e. an idiot].

Dictionary;
dissemble = = hide or disguise one’s true motives or feelings.


And quite frankly, i do not care.

Because that is upon your account [with God].

But gandalf, i do believe that you are a good moslem.

And that last statement is NOT a compliment.





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FROM YOUR POST;

gandalf,

#1,

You are moslem.

Because you are a moslem you would be aware of the Meccan Koran, and the Medina Koran.

And how the tolerant Meccan Koran verses, are all abrogated by the later 'warfare against the disbelievers' Medina Koran verses.

So please don't act offended, when i post authentic and valid 'warfare against the disbelievers' Koran verses.

Anyone with eyes to see, can see your LIES gandalf.

And they can see that you [like every moslem] are intentionally misrepresenting the nature and the intent of ISLAM, to the [uninformed, trusting] non-moslem community.






gandalf,

#2,
"....you never mention the Islamic Council of Melbourne who unequivocally denounced those protestors"

That, is a lie.

That declaration by the Islamic Council of Melbourne was a pure falsehood that was being foisted upon the broader Australian community.

Someone please post a link to a YT of that TV news item;
....and i will dissect and explain the 'weasel words' for you.
[ <---- because yes i watched that item on the TV news. and when i heard these words used, i *heard* the words that were used as a person from the 'moslem' community would 'hear' them.  i.e. those words had one meaning for a moslem audience, and they had another, APPARENT MEANING, for the broader non-moslem audience.
I WAS ANGRY WHEN I WATCHED IT, BECAUSE THAT 'MEDIA EVENT' WAS PURE MOSLEM SOPHISTRY [DECEPTION] !!!! ]








gandalf,

#3,
"As I mentioned before, in Sydney, crime committed by muslim gangs pales compared to (white) bikie gang crimes and Chinese triad crimes..."

Really ?

Tell me, who have all of the glock pistols, and who are doing most of the 'Wild West' shootings in the suburbs of Sydney these days ?

Is it the Anglos, and the Chinese, or the Vietnamese ?

Or is it gangs from the moslem community [who are 'shooting up' each others houses, as a form of intimidation in a turf war] ?

Yadda wrote on Dec 12^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

And how the tolerant Meccan Koran verses, are all abrogated by the later 'warfare against the disbelievers' Medina Koran verses.

Oh silly billy - you don't even realise that the verse I quoted was from a Medina surah  :D

In fact ALL the quranic verses that detail a strict moral code for warfare - as well as the peaceful coexistence with non-muslims are Medina verses.

So 2:190-195 sets out the strict conditions for war - namely only fight in self defence, and desist as soon as the enemy desists in their aggression:

Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah* and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors. 2:193

*fitnah - is the state in which worship of God is made impossible (as in by the oppression of non-muslim aggressors)

Other verses - all from Medina Surahs - details the tolerance islam has for other religions:

For each of you We have made a (different) code (shir‘ah), and an open way (of action) (minhaj). If God so pleased, He would have made you (all) into one (religious) community. Therefore vie (with each other) in goodness (so that) He may test you by what He has given you. (Remember, you) all will (eventually) return to God, and He will tell you in what you differed 5:48

O People! We have created you as male and female, and made you into races and religious communities (lit., ‘tribes) for you to get to know each other. The noblest among you near God are those of you who are the most heedful (morally upright). Indeed God is All-Knowing and Informed 49:13

Those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Sabians and Christians - (in fact) any who believe in God and the Last Day, and do good deeds - there will be no fear upon them, nor shall they grieve 5:69


Yadda wrote on Dec 12^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Tell me, who have all of the glock pistols, and who are doing most of the 'Wild West' shootings in the suburbs of Sydney these days ? Is it the Anglos, and the Chinese, or the Vietnamese ?

sooo there is literally no problem with chinese triads/east asian drug crimes in Sydney? And those bikie gang wars must be just a figment of my imagination right? 100% of Sydney crimes are muslims. Well I guess that makes sense - I mean they must be all following those Medina Surahs that forbids aggressive warfare and promotes interfaith cooperation and coexistence... oh wait...

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 12^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 12th, 2012 at 12:49pm: And how the tolerant Meccan Koran verses, are all abrogated by the later 'warfare against the disbelievers' Medina Koran verses. Oh silly billy - you don't even realise that the verse I quoted was from a Medina surah  :D In fact ALL the quranic verses that detail a strict moral code for warfare - as well as the peaceful coexistence with non-muslims are Medina verses. So 2:190-195 sets out the strict conditions for war - namely only fight in self defence, and desist as soon as the enemy desists in their aggression: Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah* and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors. 2:193 *fitnah - is the state in which worship of God is made impossible (as in by the oppression of non-muslim aggressors)

gandalf,

That is moslem B.S., and you know that it is.

The truth is that moslems define rejecting ISLAM/Allah's perfect religion, AS 'AGGRESSION' against moslems!

"....as soon as the enemy desists in their aggression."

Is just more moslem sophistry.

Dictionary,
sophistry = = the use of fallacious arguments, especially to deceive.iQuote:

Other verses - all from Medina Surahs - details the tolerance islam has for other religions: For each of you We have made a (different) code (shir‘ah), and an open way (of action) (minhaj). If God so pleased, He would have made you (all) into one (religious) community. Therefore vie (with each other) in goodness (so that) He may test you by what He has given you. (Remember, you) all will (eventually) return to God, and He will tell you in what you differed 5:48 O People! We have created you as male and female, and made you into races and religious communities (lit., ‘tribes) for you to get to know each other. The noblest among you near God are those of you who are the most heedful (morally upright). Indeed God is All-Knowing and Informed 49:13 Those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Sabians and Christians - (in fact) any who believe in God and the Last Day, and do good deeds - there will be no fear upon them, nor shall they grieve 5:69

ABROGATED.

ABROGATED.

ABROGATED.






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"Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."
Koran 5.69





"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognise the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! we believe; write us down among the witnesses.
"What cause can we have not to believe in Allah and the truth which has come to us, seeing that we long for our Lord to admit us to the company of the righteous?" "
Koran 5.82, 84

You will not see a tear in my eye when i read the Koran!

I [and many informed Christians] say that the Koran is a fabricated document.

ISLAM is a false religion, for a false people, imo.


AND...

"The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! "
Koran 9.30




gandalf,
Your Allah isn't very consistent is he ?....

He claims great admiration for Jews??? and the Christians;
"....those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,....on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."
Koran 5.69

Then he curses Jews and the Christians;

"The Jews....and the Christians.......Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! "
Koran 9.30

LOL

Allah, the god who doesn't know if he is coming or going!








MORE HERE....

Quote:

"O Miriam, sister of Aaron, mother of Jesus!" The 'inerrant' Koran is so 'confused' that it presents, Miriam [Mary], the sister of Aaron [and Moses, Exodus 15:20], as the mother of,    ...Jesus. Read it yourself... "O sister of Aaron!...." Koran 19:27-34

The inerrant Koran???
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295396564/0#0




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And of course, in their 'out reach' to Christians moslems say;
"We moslems share so much with Christians, because Jesus is a moslem prophet too."

But moslems deceitfully fail to inform Christians that the moslem Jesus, is not the Jesus which Christians revere.

And moslems deceitfully fail to inform Christians that the moslem Jesus, bears no resemblance WHATSOEVER to the Jesus of the Christian scriptures.

TRUE





Moslems = = LIARS

Yadda at least have the good grace to concede that you were just proven wrong in regards to what abrogates what (ie 2:190 is a Medinan verse and NOT and abrogated Meccan verse).  I'm pretty sure christianity teaches humility does it not?

This is important, for once you can demonstrate a willingness to admit your demonstrated ignorance towards islam (nothing to be ashamed of - I too have many gaps in my knowledge), then we can get a much better handle on what sort of a theological authority you really are. And thats not a cheap swipe - you demand much of what you say to be taken at face value, simply by quoting random quranic verses. I hope you will learn some day - as I am learning - that this is inadequate. Quranic understanding requires careful analysis - including the arab-english translation, the historical context, and where a given verse fits in with the rest of the quran.

Finally, you might reflect on how useful this abusive style of debating you use is. Attempting to insult me is not going to win you the debate - it is childish and not in the least bit constructive. Frankly I don't care about the insults, but I do care about the lost opportunity of having a constructive and civilised debate. If you are not interested in constructive debate - why are you here? You can't honestly think that I will suddenly "see the light" as a result of you hurling abuse at me do you?

Very nice.

Still, killing in the name of Mohammed and iSlam is endorsed by the Koran.

Killing in the name of Cheeses isn't by the New Testament.


Start wriggling and writhing, pal.

I agree Soren, killing absolutely IS endorsed by islam. Its called self defence.

You got any more useless strawmans?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 14^th, 2012 at 7:12am:

I agree Soren, killing absolutely IS endorsed by islam. Its called self defence. You got any more useless strawmans?

Cool.

All the Muslims bombed, shot, blasted and otherwise killed, by the 'crusaders', the Joos or other Muslims, are ALL killed in self-defence. As long as there is an 'injured party' that feels the need for revenge, killing is cool. And let's face it, we all act in self-defence.  It's all is Allah's will, it's all Islamic. 



This is why Islam is a joke and a pseudo-religion. It is the creed of the resentful and envious.

Israel screams "self defence" when its not - but who cares about their bible right?

SOB

Soron, its human nature to seek vengeance in the face of oppression - its not an exclusively muslim trait. And of course you can't ignore the political contexts of islamic extremism. I don't think I can think of any islamic terrorism that hasn't been done in the name of some perceived aggression against muslims.

That said, the rules of war in the quran are very clear, which I have already covered. That many muslims violate those rules is not an indictment on the quran. Yes, muslims should obey their own rules when conducting war, but lets face it, very few human remain calm and rational when facing oppression - muslim or otherwise. Thats not in any way justifying terrorism and extremism, but it is not exclusive to the muslim world. And most importantly, the vast majority of muslims are decent law-abiding citizens.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 12^th, 2012 at 11:36pm:

Yadda at least have the good grace to concede that you were just proven wrong in regards to what abrogates what (ie 2:190 is a Medinan verse and NOT and abrogated Meccan verse).

I abrogate gandalf's presented views about my intentionally and maliciously 'misunderstanding' ISLAM
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1355591493/0#0



And the purpose of the ISLAMIC abrogation of Koranic verses is to serve the best interests of ISLAM in this moment of time,
.....by whatever means that moslems decide, that the abrogation of Koranic verses will best serve the interests of ISLAM in this moment of time.i
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On keeping oaths, keeping your word, maintaining a position given through a verbal undertaking....

ALLAH;

"Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing the Wise."
Koran 66:2


"The Prophet said, "If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath."."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #007.067.427
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.078.618
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.709
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.710
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.712
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #008.079.715

Coz, Mohammed was a covenant breaker, and a liar, just like his god.



"expiate my oath", means an obligation to Allah of penance [Kaffara], e.g. fasting for three days, or to clothe or feed poor people.




Allah and Mohammed above.



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From the Jewish O.T. Bible;

Numbers 30:2
If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.


Chalk and cheese!




see also....
Love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295407319/0#0

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 5:22am:

Israel screams "self defence" when its not - but who cares about their bible right? SOB

SPOT,

In what sense is Israel NOT acting in self defence, when Israel responds to rocket attacks against its civilian population ???

Yadda wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 3:41am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 15th, 2012 at 5:22am: Israel screams "self defence" when its not - but who cares about their bible right? SOB SPOT, In what sense is Israel NOT acting in self defence, when Israel responds to rocket attacks against its civilian population ???

when they bulldoze homes etc then say they are acting in "self defence" when the rockets come that they caused.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 4:17am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 16th, 2012 at 3:41am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 15th, 2012 at 5:22am: Israel screams "self defence" when its not - but who cares about their bible right? SOB SPOT, In what sense is Israel NOT acting in self defence, when Israel responds to rocket attacks against its civilian population ??? when they bulldoze homes etc then say they are acting in "self defence" when the rockets come that they caused. SOB

SPOT,

In Western Australia several cars belonging to repeat offender road hoons, have been seized by the state, and crushed.

This has been done [we are told], so as to discourage repeat offender road hoons from continuing their dangerous antics on public roads.




But i think that repeat offender road hoons in Western Australia should rise up!!!!! ....and put an end to this unjust state government action in Western Australia !!!           :P

How dare the Western Australia state, destroy the property of repeat offender road hoons !!!!!!!!!!          :P








p.s.
The Israeli government has also authorised the destruction of the family homes of ISLAMIC militants, after they attack Israeli civilians.

I think that ISLAMIC militants in Israel should rise us and put an end to this unjust Israeli government destroying the homes of innocent 'Palestinians'.
/sarc off




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