Our budget deficit skyrockets, waste and overspending is occurring left right and centre, the “Infrastructure Government” hasn’t built a single thing,  the carbon tax is hitting every Australian family, our defence force becomes dilapidated  and our borders unsecure.

Can the Labor people please explain:

1)What they think the should be done to address the issues of debt and productivity?

2) What criteria they think should be applied to determine the cuts in existing programs that will be required to fund the dental scheme, the disability scheme, the school education reforms and the NBN?

No, this is not about what Howard and Costello did or didn't do. You've had the reigns since 2007, show some responsibility and leadership for once.

Shane B wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 4:26pm:

Our budget deficit skyrockets, waste and overspending is occurring left right and centre, the “Infrastructure Government” hasn’t built a single thing,  the carbon tax is hitting every Australian family, our defence force becomes dilapidated  and our borders unsecure. Can the Labor people please explain: 1)What they think the should be done to address the issues of debt and productivity? 2) What criteria they think should be applied to determine the cuts in existing programs that will be required to fund the dental scheme, the disability scheme, the school education reforms and the NBN? No, this is not about what Howard and Costello did or didn't do. You've had the reigns since 2007, show some responsibility and leadership for once.

And yet we have now risen to be the 12th largest economy in the world..Go figure  ;D

Funny. Carbon price hasnt hit me and i didnt even get any compensation.

SOB

while your useing this word productivity in your statement, you won't find the answer your looking for.

its this, we must be more productive that is the problem in Australia, We have people here that actually beleive that other Australians arn't productive enough, Then we have a problem.

ie I can archive this but I don't think you can.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

Funny. Carbon price hasnt hit me and i didnt even get any compensation. SOB

your lieing then BOAG

adelcrow wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 4:26pm: Our budget deficit skyrockets, waste and overspending is occurring left right and centre, the “Infrastructure Government” hasn’t built a single thing,  the carbon tax is hitting every Australian family, our defence force becomes dilapidated  and our borders unsecure. Can the Labor people please explain: 1)What they think the should be done to address the issues of debt and productivity? 2) What criteria they think should be applied to determine the cuts in existing programs that will be required to fund the dental scheme, the disability scheme, the school education reforms and the NBN? No, this is not about what Howard and Costello did or didn't do. You've had the reigns since 2007, show some responsibility and leadership for once. And yet we have now risen to be the 12th largest economy in the world..Go figure  ;D

IMF Largest Economies

7. United Kingdom $2,431,110

12. Australia $1,486,914


Is there anything where we aren't better than you Adel?
;)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

adelcrow wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 4:29pm: Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 4:26pm: Our budget deficit skyrockets, waste and overspending is occurring left right and centre, the “Infrastructure Government” hasn’t built a single thing,  the carbon tax is hitting every Australian family, our defence force becomes dilapidated  and our borders unsecure. Can the Labor people please explain: 1)What they think the should be done to address the issues of debt and productivity? 2) What criteria they think should be applied to determine the cuts in existing programs that will be required to fund the dental scheme, the disability scheme, the school education reforms and the NBN? No, this is not about what Howard and Costello did or didn't do. You've had the reigns since 2007, show some responsibility and leadership for once. And yet we have now risen to be the 12th largest economy in the world..Go figure  ;D IMF Largest Economies 7. United Kingdom $2,1431,110 12. Australia $1,486,914 Is there anything where we aren't better than you Adel? ;)

You forget Im a pom ..born and bred  :P

Hmmmm

Yorkshire though. The jury is out on that one.
A lot of people think they deserve their own country....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 4:42pm:

Hmmmm Yorkshire though. The jury is out on that one. A lot of people think they deserve their own country....

Mother was born in Australia, her dad was German and I was born in the UK so Im happy to take full credit for all three countries  :P

warrigal wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 4:34pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 4:32pm: Funny. Carbon price hasnt hit me and i didnt even get any compensation. SOB your lieing then BOAG

Where is it supposed to hit us?

SOB

Meanwhile....

Reduce government outlays by eliminating middle class welfare (health insurance rebate, family tax benefit etc) and corporate welfare (e.g. car industry handouts).

No government funded paid parental leave schemes.

Review supperannuation tax concessions.

Encourage state government tax reform. Implement broad-based land taxes and eliminate conveyance duties. Harmonise payroll taxes.

Introduce reforms to make labour markets more efficient and flexible.

Please explain.

Big Donger wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:51pm:

Please explain.

as if .... you won't hear from him again .

John Smith wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:54pm:

Big Donger wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Please explain. as if .... you won't hear from him again .

Shane has a problem responding to specific requests.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1348149342

Just goes to show that you are all bereft of ideas.

Shane B wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:51pm:

Reduce government outlays by eliminating middle class welfare (health insurance rebate, family tax benefit etc).

You want to reduce the income of the "middle class" which would move them in time into the "lower/working class" and make them more dependent on welfare?


Shane B wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:51pm:

Reduce government outlays by eliminating corporate welfare (e.g. car industry handouts).

You obviously think we should not have a car industry.


Shane B wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:51pm:

No government funded paid parental leave schemes.

Yes I agree that Tony Abbott is stupid.


Shane B wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:51pm:

Review supperannuation tax concessions.

And force retirees on to the pension by reducing their superannuation payout?  What would that achieve?


Shane B wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:51pm:

Encourage state government tax reform.

Barry would love that.  He would see it as a green light to dip into our pockets again.


Shane B wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:51pm:

Introduce reforms to make labour markets more efficient and flexible.

Get everyone working for $2 a day?

ParraGirl wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 10:23pm:

Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Reduce government outlays by eliminating middle class welfare (health insurance rebate, family tax benefit etc). You want to reduce the income of the "middle class" which would move them in time into the "lower/working class" and make them more dependent on welfare? Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Reduce government outlays by eliminating corporate welfare (e.g. car industry handouts). You obviously think we should not have a car industry. Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: No government funded paid parental leave schemes. Yes I agree that Tony Abbott is stupid. Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Review supperannuation tax concessions. And force retirees on to the pension by reducing their superannuation payout?  What would that achieve? Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Encourage state government tax reform. Barry would love that.  He would see it as a green light to dip into our pockets again. Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Introduce reforms to make labour markets more efficient and flexible. Get everyone working for $2 a day?

Changing tax concessions for superannuation shouldn't be about lowering peoples payouts. At the moment there are a lot of loopholes in the system, which the very wealthy are best positioned to exploit - all taxpayers are picking up the bill for that. The point of the system has been to make sure people can fund their retirement and not rely on the pension - Australia can't afford to have all the baby boomers living off the pension.

State taxes are a mess. What I mean is to clean up some of this and ensure that states have taxes that are efficient, equitable and don't cause too much damage to their own economies. They should have a tax system that gives them enough fiscal space to fund schools, hospitals etc into the future withought running up large debts or asking the Commonwealth to keep topping their budgets up.

Shane B wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 10:08pm:

Just goes to show that you are all bereft of ideas.

Yes, Shane B, but some of us do fly Virgin. Even if we can’t afford Thomas Dux.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

Carbon price hasnt hit me

I've noticed a BIG difference

Bananas were $2.80 per kilo, today
A BIG difference from $11.80 per kilo, before the carbon "tax"

Shane B wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:51pm:

Reduce government outlays by eliminating middle class welfare (health insurance rebate, family tax benefit etc) and corporate welfare (e.g. car industry handouts). No government funded paid parental leave schemes. Review supperannuation tax concessions. Encourage state government tax reform. Implement broad-based land taxes and eliminate conveyance duties. Harmonise payroll taxes. Introduce reforms to make labour markets more efficient and flexible.

Seriously?

Point 1 - All liberals policies, remember the hand wringing that those on 240K wouldn't be able to afford food from all Liberal supporters here and All Liberal politicans within the parliament when Labor started means testing the PHR???
Imagine if they removed it totally???

Point 2. - Agree, but again the only policy we actually have from Tone is to increase company tax on ANY business that TURNSOVER more than 5 mill.
Again I ask does anyone here actually know what TURNOVER is???
It's not profit, it's not even gross profit before tax
It what goes thru your till before ANY expenses are deducted.
My little family business turned over roughly 2 mill last year, so don't be fooled by the lie they are trying to run that only large companies will pay.

Point 3 - Agree & again Labor has been muting change & again coalition cries foul

POINT 4 - excellent idea, I would add increase the GST to between 15 & 17%

Point 5 - What do you suggest?


Pretty close to an own goal their Shane ;)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 11:53pm:

Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Reduce government outlays by eliminating middle class welfare (health insurance rebate, family tax benefit etc) and corporate welfare (e.g. car industry handouts). No government funded paid parental leave schemes. Review supperannuation tax concessions. Encourage state government tax reform. Implement broad-based land taxes and eliminate conveyance duties. Harmonise payroll taxes. Introduce reforms to make labour markets more efficient and flexible. Seriously? Point 1 - All liberals policies, remember the hand wringing that those on 240K wouldn't be able to afford food from all Liberal supporters here and All Liberal politicans within the parliament when Labor started means testing the PHR??? Imagine if they removed it totally??? Point 2. - Agree, but again the only policy we actually have from Tone is to increase company tax on ANY business that TURNSOVER more than 5 mill. Again I ask does anyone here actually know what TURNOVER is??? It's not profit, it's not even gross profit before tax It what goes thru your till before ANY expenses are deducted. My little family business turned over roughly 2 mill last year, so don't be fooled by the lie they are trying to run that only large companies will pay. Point 3 - Agree & again Labor has been muting change & again coalition cries foul POINT 4 - excellent idea, I would add increase the GST to between 15 & 17% Point 5 - What do you suggest? Pretty close to an own goal their Shane ;)

Point 5 - Sorry to say but without doing a lot more thinking it would be something akin to Workchoices. At a minimum governments should consider bringing back the AWA arrangements - something that lets employers and employees negotiate conditions that suit them (working from home 1 day a week, carer time out etc).

I had been on AWAs since starting out in 1999 until they were axed. Mine just mirrored the organisation's certified agreement, so I thought it was just a photocopy and signature box on mine. Others I know had theirs modified for extra leave each year and other things.

Shane B wrote on Oct 11^th, 2012 at 12:45am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 11:53pm: Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Reduce government outlays by eliminating middle class welfare (health insurance rebate, family tax benefit etc) and corporate welfare (e.g. car industry handouts). No government funded paid parental leave schemes. Review supperannuation tax concessions. Encourage state government tax reform. Implement broad-based land taxes and eliminate conveyance duties. Harmonise payroll taxes. Introduce reforms to make labour markets more efficient and flexible. Seriously? Point 1 - All liberals policies, remember the hand wringing that those on 240K wouldn't be able to afford food from all Liberal supporters here and All Liberal politicans within the parliament when Labor started means testing the PHR??? Imagine if they removed it totally??? Point 2. - Agree, but again the only policy we actually have from Tone is to increase company tax on ANY business that TURNSOVER more than 5 mill. Again I ask does anyone here actually know what TURNOVER is??? It's not profit, it's not even gross profit before tax It what goes thru your till before ANY expenses are deducted. My little family business turned over roughly 2 mill last year, so don't be fooled by the lie they are trying to run that only large companies will pay. Point 3 - Agree & again Labor has been muting change & again coalition cries foul POINT 4 - excellent idea, I would add increase the GST to between 15 & 17% Point 5 - What do you suggest? Pretty close to an own goal their Shane ;) Point 5 - Sorry to say but without doing a lot more thinking it would be something akin to Workchoices. At a minimum governments should consider bringing back the AWA arrangements - something that lets employers and employees negotiate conditions that suit them (working from home 1 day a week, carer time out etc). I had been on AWAs since starting out in 1999 until they were axed. Mine just mirrored the organisation's certified agreement, so I thought it was just a photocopy and signature box on mine. Others I know had theirs modified for extra leave each year and other things.

If they hadn't had thrown the no disadvantage test away W/C probably would have worked.
The answer is not to reduce a portion of our community to 3rd world wages and conditions

ParraGirl wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 10:23pm:

Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Reduce government outlays by eliminating middle class welfare (health insurance rebate, family tax benefit etc). You want to reduce the income of the "middle class" which would move them in time into the "lower/working class" and make them more dependent on welfare? Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Reduce government outlays by eliminating corporate welfare (e.g. car industry handouts). You obviously think we should not have a car industry. Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: No government funded paid parental leave schemes. Yes I agree that Tony Abbott is stupid. Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Review supperannuation tax concessions. And force retirees on to the pension by reducing their superannuation payout?  What would that achieve? Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Encourage state government tax reform. Barry would love that.  He would see it as a green light to dip into our pockets again. Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Introduce reforms to make labour markets more efficient and flexible. Get everyone working for $2 a day?

Seriously why is the middle class getting handouts? The poor need it more. The middle class have their own income. If the car factories cant survive they should close. Or maybe nationalise them? Hahahaha!

The rest i might agree with

SOB

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 11:06pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 4:32pm: Carbon price hasnt hit me I've noticed a BIG difference Bananas were $2.80 per kilo, today A BIG difference from $11.80 per kilo, before the carbon "tax"

Hahahahahaha!

Seriously nothing i buy has gone up since the carbon tax. Because i changed companies and they are still trying to impress me until they have me in their claws my electricity bill actually went down.

SOB

ParraGirl wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 10:23pm:

Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Reduce government outlays by eliminating middle class welfare (health insurance rebate, family tax benefit etc). You want to reduce the income of the "middle class" which would move them in time into the "lower/working class" and make them more dependent on welfare? Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Reduce government outlays by eliminating corporate welfare (e.g. car industry handouts). You obviously think we should not have a car industry. Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: No government funded paid parental leave schemes. Yes I agree that Tony Abbott is stupid. Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Review supperannuation tax concessions. And force retirees on to the pension by reducing their superannuation payout?  What would that achieve? Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Encourage state government tax reform. Barry would love that.  He would see it as a green light to dip into our pockets again. Shane B wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:51pm: Introduce reforms to make labour markets more efficient and flexible. Get everyone working for $2 a day?

Our car industry is miniscule by comparison to those in countries such as the US, Japan, China. They make cars by the millions, whereas we make cars by the thousands. Our car companies simply cannot compete on a global market. Australians already pay the highest price for cars anywhere in the world. Part of this is due to protection of the local car industry. Ford last year reported a big loss, whereas GMH reported its biggest ever profit - AFTER a handout from the government. Currently, the Gillard government is handing out the equivalent of $100,000 for every car industry worker in Australia. The present situation is unsustainable and one leading car industry expert said that it wouldn't be a bad thing if we didn't make cars here anymore because it would mean cars (even the luxury cars) would become much, much cheaper. He also said that no car industry isn't some kind of death sentence. He cited NZ as an example and they are doing just fine without a car industry.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 11^th, 2012 at 4:17am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 11:06pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 4:32pm: Carbon price hasnt hit me I've noticed a BIG difference Bananas were $2.80 per kilo, today A BIG difference from $11.80 per kilo, before the carbon "tax" Hahahahahaha! Seriously nothing i buy has gone up since the carbon tax. Because i changed companies and they are still trying to impress me until they have me in their claws my electricity bill actually went down. SOB

BOAG
what do you really support here , I was under the impression you were unemployed the same as others here.

for you to say the carbon tax isn't effecting you, that you can still afford everything you need. well then you must have a nest egg under the bed, that the government or the banks can't take from you.

Fingers in many pies.

warrigal wrote on Oct 11^th, 2012 at 6:33am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 11th, 2012 at 4:17am: buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 11:06pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 4:32pm: Carbon price hasnt hit me I've noticed a BIG difference Bananas were $2.80 per kilo, today A BIG difference from $11.80 per kilo, before the carbon "tax" Hahahahahaha! Seriously nothing i buy has gone up since the carbon tax. Because i changed companies and they are still trying to impress me until they have me in their claws my electricity bill actually went down. SOB BOAG what do you really support here , I was under the impression you were unemployed the same as others here. for you to say the carbon tax isn't effecting you, that you can still afford everything you need. well then you must have a nest egg under the bed, that the government or the banks can't take from you. Fingers in many pies.

Obviously you listen to the lying trolls. No i am not unemployed.

SOB