http://maurice-ostroff.tripod.com/id351.html


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This article is intended neither as an argument for, nor against, Israel retaining some or all of the West bank settlements . Rather it urges that any discussion of the subject be based on the facts. Though some authorities maintain that its presence on the West Bank is legal, Israel may nevertheless decide  to relinquish legal claims in an agreed territorial compromise in the interests of peace.

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Although Jerusalem and the West Bank, (Judea and Samaria), were illegally occupied by Jordan in 1948 they remained in effect part of the Jewish National Home that had been created at San Remo. In the 1967 6-Day War Israel, in effect, recovered territory that legally belonged to it. The late Prof. Julius Stone reinforces the claim that the areas are not occupied: He wrote, “ Israel‘s presence in all these areas pending negotiation of new borders is entirely lawful, since Israel entered them lawfully in self-defence.  International law forbids acquisition by unlawful force, but not where, as in the case of Israel’s self-defence in 1967, the entry on the territory was lawful. It does  not so forbid it, in particular, when the force is used to stop an aggressor, for the effect of such prohibition would be to guarantee to all potential aggressors that,  even if their aggression failed, all territory lost in the attempt would be  automatically returned to them. Such a rule would be absurd to the point of lunacy. There is no such rule"….

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Resolution 242 (http://www.2nd-thoughts.org/id127.html ). Since 242 is a security council decision it is legally binding unlike resolutions of the GA that are mere recommendations. Obviously the most reliable sources from whom to seek clarification are the persons who played key roles in drafting the resolution, including Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, Eugene Rostow. In an article in The New Republic, "Resolved: are the settlements legal? Israeli West Bank policies," (Oct. 21, 1991) Rostow wrote that it was explicitly agreed that Israel was not to be forced back to the 'fragile and vulnerable' Armistice Demarcation Lines, but to secure and recognized boundaries.  For this reason, the word “the” was deliberately omitted in the call for “Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict” not from all the territories.

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Judge Schwebel, a former President of the ICJ, who pronounced “As between Israel, acting defensively in 1948 and 1967, on the one hand, and her Arab neighbors, acting aggressively, in 1948 and 1967, on the other, Israel has the better title in the territory of what was Palestine, including the whole of Jerusalem.” (See Appendix A and http://www.2nd-thoughts.org/id248.html )     Professor Julius Stone, one of the twentieth century's leading authorities on the Law of Nations. See http://www.2nd-thoughts.org/id160.html     Eugene W. Rostow, US Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs between 1966 and 1969 who played a leading role in producing the famous Resolution 242.     See http://www.2nd-thoughts.org/id45.html     Jacques Gauthier, a non-Jewish Canadian lawyer who spent 20 years researching the legal status of Jerusalem leading to the conclusion on purely legal grounds, ignoring religious claims that Jerusalem belongs to the Jews, by international law. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28qwcVPNy3E     and http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125049#.TkAg4mGuySo     William M. Brinton, who appealed against a US district court's withholding of State Department documents concerning US policy on issues involving Israel and the West Bank, the Golan Heights, and the Gaza Strip. He showed that none of these areas fall within the definition of "occupied territories” and that any claim that the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, or both, is a Palestinian homeland to which the Palestinians have a 'legitimate right' lacks substance and does not survive legal analysis. According to Mr. Brinton no state, other than Israel, can show a better title to the West Bank.     Sir Elihu Lauterpacht CBE QC., the British specialist in international law, who concludes inter alia that sovereignty over Jerusalem already vested in Israel when the 1947 partition proposals were rejected and aborted by Arab armed aggression. ·         Simon H. Rifkind,  Judge of the United States District Court, New York who wrote an in depth analysis “The basic equities of the Palestine problem” (Ayer Publishing, 1977) that was signed by Jerome N. Frank, Judge of the United States Circuit Court of Appeals Second Circuit; Stanley H. Fuld, Judge of the Court of Appeals of the State of New York; Abrahan  Tulin, member of the New York Bar; Milton Handler, Professor of law, Columbia University; Murray L. Gurfein, member of the New York Bar; Abe Fortas, former Undersecretary of Interior of the United States and Lawrence R. Eno, member of the New York Bar. They jointly stated that justice and equity are on the side of the Jews in this document that they described as set out in the form of a lawyer’s brief.

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War crimes. Ironically, Ms. Ashrawi’s reference to war crimes under the Rome Statute is particularly appropriate not to Israel, but to Hamas who are guilty of the following war crimes as defined by Article 8 of the statute     Wilful killing;     Torture or inhuman treatment and willfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial as in the deprivation of POW rights to Gilad Shalit     Taking of hostages.     Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;     Intentionally directing attacks against civilian objects, that is, objects which are not military objectives     Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated     Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives or persons     Declaring that no quarter will be given     Utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations     Conscripting or enlisting children under the age of fifteen years into the national armed forces or using them to participate actively in hostilities     The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all judicial guarantees which are generally recognized as indispensable.

I am a moderate on the issue.

I believe current settlements are legal and must stay.
New settlements  will be illegal and should not be build.

1948 blah blah. when were those settlements built on palestinians blood? the ones in the west bank. the result of bulldozers and guns. The ones built on land where someone else was living.

SOB

The most majority of the settlements has been there for decades and was built on empty land and did not move anybody.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 11:10am:

The most majority of the settlements has been there for decades and was built on empty land and did not move anybody.

Why?

SOB

What are you asking SOB? Why would people settle on empty land?

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 11:56am:

What are you asking SOB? Why would people settle on empty land?

So its okay to pitch my tent in a vacant spot in your back yard?

SOB

Somehow I doubt that is what is meant by 'empty' in this context. Do you really think Avram is saying they kicked the Palestinians out of their homes and built other homes in the backyards?

Think about it.

Are you asking why people would settle on empty land?

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:29pm:

Somehow I doubt that is what is meant by 'empty' in this context. Do you really think Avram is saying they kicked the Palestinians out of their homes and built other homes in the backyards? Think about it. Are you asking why people would settle on empty land?

Stop pretending not to know what I am talking about. West bank does not belong to israel.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 2:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 1:29pm: Somehow I doubt that is what is meant by 'empty' in this context. Do you really think Avram is saying they kicked the Palestinians out of their homes and built other homes in the backyards? Think about it. Are you asking why people would settle on empty land? Stop pretending not to know what I am talking about. West bank does not belong to israel. SOB

Did it belong to Jordan who had it when they attacked Israel?

Who cares. It bears no relation to the world now. Even the UN has said Israel is wrong to be trying to settle on that land. Remember israel used to try to settle gaza too. Greedy terrorist bastards i guess. Where are the palestinians expected to go? Israel is trying to occupy land that was never part of israel according to wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories

Why do the jews not care about millions of palestinians? No compassion or empathy. Just lies and threats and accusations. You say its about religion and obviously it is. Both your silly books say to kill the other. What I dont understand is why the world is letting the jews get away with this. Every time anyone tries to say something you vcry "holocaust!" etc)

SOB

With respects why should we care what you think.

The Jewish people should have been given German land after WW2 not Arab land and then this problem would never have happened
The British Colonialists had no right to steal Arab land and hand it over to European Jews.

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 3:55pm:

The Jewish people should have been given German land after WW2 not Arab land and then this problem would never have happened The British Colonialists had no right to steal Arab land and hand it over to European Jews.

It is not just any land.
Israel is the Jewish hone land. It is given by God himself to the Jews.
There are many Jews in New York we could have this.

But no it is Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa. Where Jews belong.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 3:59pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 3:55pm: The Jewish people should have been given German land after WW2 not Arab land and then this problem would never have happened The British Colonialists had no right to steal Arab land and hand it over to European Jews. It is not just any land. Israel is the Jewish hone land. It is given by God himself to the Jews. There are many Jews in New York we could have this. But no it is Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa. Where Jews belong.

We should all be able to claim land we think was our 2000 yrs ago?
That might unsettle all of the worlds population just a tad and we should also note the majority of the Jews are European
and of European descent so its obvious their ancestors never came from the region they are claiming.
Its like a black African tribe saying Japan is rightfull theirs

I have no problem with Arab Jews making some claim to the region but as for European Jews saying its their homeland..that is a joke on all of us.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 3:59pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 3:55pm: The Jewish people should have been given German land after WW2 not Arab land and then this problem would never have happened The British Colonialists had no right to steal Arab land and hand it over to European Jews. It is not just any land. Israel is the Jewish hone land. It is given by God himself to the Jews. There are many Jews in New York we could have this. But no it is Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa. Where Jews belong.

Given by that blackstone fellow you mean. Some american preacher. Wasnt even a jew. He was xtian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone_Memorial

Nobody is denying you israel though. You already have it - keep it. Who cares. Just keep out of everyone elses yard.

SOB

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:24pm:

I have no problem with Arab Jews making some claim to the region but as for European Jews saying its their homeland..that is a joke on all of us.

Your own government does not agree with you.

Look up the last two United Nations resolutions. Look at the results of the world does not agree with you.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:43pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 4:24pm: I have no problem with Arab Jews making some claim to the region but as for European Jews saying its their homeland..that is a joke on all of us. Your own government does not agree with you. Look up the last two United Nations resolutions. Look at the results of the world does not agree with you.

I rarely agree with my own govt

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:45pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 4:43pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 4:24pm: I have no problem with Arab Jews making some claim to the region but as for European Jews saying its their homeland..that is a joke on all of us. Your own government does not agree with you. Look up the last two United Nations resolutions. Look at the results of the world does not agree with you. I rarely agree with my own govt

That is your own personal opinion.
But if you look at the United Nations failure on resolutions for Israel, you will see it is not a view the world opinion has.

Last 2 resolutions both vetod.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 5:33pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 4:45pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 4:43pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 4:24pm: I have no problem with Arab Jews making some claim to the region but as for European Jews saying its their homeland..that is a joke on all of us. Your own government does not agree with you. Look up the last two United Nations resolutions. Look at the results of the world does not agree with you. I rarely agree with my own govt That is your own personal opinion. But if you look at the United Nations failure on resolutions for Israel, you will see it is not a view the world opinion has. Last 2 resolutions both vetod.

Whatever they say (and they are obviously biased for religions sake) cant you feel it in your being that you are wrong? No empathy whatsoever? Have you tried imagining that you are a palestinian and seeing it from their side?

SOB

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 3:55pm:

The Jewish people should have been given German land after WW2 not Arab land and then this problem would never have happened The British Colonialists had no right to steal Arab land and hand it over to European Jews.

It wasn't stolen. There is nothing in international law that says land belongs to racial groups.

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 6:40pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 3:55pm: The Jewish people should have been given German land after WW2 not Arab land and then this problem would never have happened The British Colonialists had no right to steal Arab land and hand it over to European Jews. It wasn't stolen. There is nothing in international law that says land belongs to racial groups.

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But they are/were living there. Israel tried to take gaza as well. Where they expect the palestinains to go? Hmmmm? Lay down and die? Theres 5 million of them arent there?

SOB

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Israel tried to take gaza as well.

How hard did they try? As hard as all the neighbouring countries, including the palestinians, tried to completely destroy Israel?

Where do you think the Israelis should go if that happens? Do you agree with the Muslims here that they should be sent back to Europe or forced to seek asylum?

If Israel actually took all of Gaza, they would have to deal with palestinian citizens, which is why they don't.

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 8:41am:

Quote: Israel tried to take gaza as well. How hard did they try? As hard as all the neighbouring countries, including the palestinians, tried to completely destroy Israel? Where do you think the Israelis should go if that happens? Do you agree with the Muslims here that they should be sent back to Europe or forced to seek asylum? If Israel actually took all of Gaza, they would have to deal with palestinian citizens, which is why they don't.

They tried to.

Anyway it was 1967 according to you. Why is israel STILL attacking them?

SOB

The Palestinians are still lobbing rockets because according to Muslims (eg Abu and Falah) the war never ended and a glorious victory is just around the corner for Islam, so it would be silly for Muslims to attempt to end it now and admit defeat. And of course, every time the Israelis try to get rid of the militants (the Palestinian authorities can't seem to bring themselves to) the Muslims make Israel out to be the aggressor and many uninformed naive people fall for it.

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

The Palestinians are still lobbing rockets because according to Muslims (eg Abu and Falah) the war never ended and a glorious victory is just around the corner for Islam, so it would be silly for Muslims to attempt to end it now and admit defeat. And of course, every time the Israelis try to get rid of the militants (the Palestinian authorities can't seem to bring themselves to) the Muslims make Israel out to be the aggressor and many uninformed naive people fall for it.

As I said before I havent talked to abu and falah. I will prolly get around to it eventually but I havent yet. Neither of them has answered questions I have asked them anyway so I dont bother with the islam area ATM. Maybe later.

when was the last rocket and why was it lobbed? Dont tell me BS about "because they are muslims" either. Not every palestinian is a muslim yet all of them are oppressed by israel.

When are the ppl being held without trial going to be set free?

SOB

Right is might.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 7:08am:

When are the ppl being held without trial going to be set free? SOB

In the fullness of time, Minister.

Soren wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 11:20am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 7:08am: When are the ppl being held without trial going to be set free? SOB In the fullness of time, Minister.

Obviously. I thought it was a condition of the deal they made to end the hunger strike that they would get actual trials and not be held without charge anymore?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 7:08am:

when was the last rocket and why was it lobbed?

You could read tis although i doubt your reading comprehension skills would allow you to comprehend it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 11:48am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 7:08am: when was the last rocket and why was it lobbed? You could read tis although i doubt your reading comprehension skills would allow you to comprehend it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012

I asked why. that biased wiki only has 1 side.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 12:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:48am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 7:08am: when was the last rocket and why was it lobbed? You could read tis although i doubt your reading comprehension skills would allow you to comprehend it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012 I asked why. that biased wiki only has 1 side. SOB

You did ask for the last rocket and you have a llong list of rockets fired into Israel to read.

If you want to know why listen to this cleric -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8dhrzQCHY

You should become a muslim then you can claim you have a religious duty to hate the jews.

None of them say why. I cant do videos on this machine. No speakers. Is that "cleric" palestinian? Since not all palestinians are muslim is that cleric representative of all the palestinians that the jews persecute?

SOB

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As I said before I havent talked to abu and falah.

Yet you still manage to claim that you agree with most of what they say. How's that for bias?


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Dont tell me BS about "because they are muslims" either. Not every palestinian is a muslim yet all of them are oppressed by israel.

I challenge you to find a single Palestinian rocket lobber who is not a Muslim.

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 9:36pm:

I challenge you to find a single Palestinian rocket lobber who is not a Muslim.

Most of the Christians have been run out of palestine by the Jews.

The only place where rockets could be launched from, Gaza, is 99% Muslim today. So you would be hard-pressed to find a non-Muslim doing anything there.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 12:00pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 11:48am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 7:08am: when was the last rocket and why was it lobbed? You could read tis although i doubt your reading comprehension skills would allow you to comprehend it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012 I asked why. that biased wiki only has 1 side. SOB You did ask for the last rocket and you have a llong list of rockets fired into Israel to read. If you want to know why listen to this cleric - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8dhrzQCHY You should become a muslim then you can claim you have a religious duty to hate the jews.

MEMRI is run by Mossad and seeks out obscure Arab broadcasts to take out of context and mistranslate and use for Zionist anti-Muslim propaganda.


If China took over Australia, Aussies who fired rockets at the Chinese would be viewed as heroes.

falah wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 10:46pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:36pm: I challenge you to find a single Palestinian rocket lobber who is not a Muslim. Most of the Christians have been run out of palestine by the Jews. The only place where rockets could be launched from, Gaza, is 99% Muslim today. So you would be hard-pressed to find a non-Muslim doing anything there.

Sorry no such country as Palestine

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Yet you still manage to claim that you agree with most of what they say. How's that for bias?

Well you obviously need to look up bias since you dont know the meaning obviously. Looks like abu and falah can see whats going on hey? You keep bringing them up because they are muslim - you do know they dont speak for all muslims dont you? Sounds like they are making some sense if they agree with me though. I have lived in muslim countries and most muslims just go about their lives like any other religion ppl peacefully. The fanatics are fanatical just like hindus and xtians and even buddhists.


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I challenge you to find a single Palestinian rocket lobber who is not a Muslim.

Well maybe the muslims are the ones with the most courage. Or maybe they arent all muslims you dont know. Theres no way to actually tell is there.


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Sorry no such country as Palestine

Well there will be if israel will just accept that darn agreement.

SOB

falah wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 10:46pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:36pm: I challenge you to find a single Palestinian rocket lobber who is not a Muslim. Most of the Christians have been run out of palestine by the Jews. The only place where rockets could be launched from, Gaza, is 99% Muslim today. So you would be hard-pressed to find a non-Muslim doing anything there.

Why would the Jews run out all the Christians but leave the Muslims behind?

Are all the rocket lobbers local Muslims? I expect there would be plenty of Jihadis from far and wide who want a chance to kill Jews. All Muslims of course.


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Looks like abu and falah can see whats going on hey?

Didn't you just say you haven't talked to them? You keep switching between agreeing with them and having no idea what they say.


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Well there will be if israel will just accept that darn agreement.

Would you make a peace agreement with people who say they will not honour a peace agreement because they are about to slaughter you?

You are really bad @ that quoting out of context thing arent you


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Didn't you just say you haven't talked to them? You keep switching between agreeing with them and having no idea what they say.

That was a reply to you saying i agreed with them. Which you know already but you did that just to piss me off.


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Would you make a peace agreement with people who say they will not honour a peace agreement because they are about to slaughter you?

Are they saying that? Seems to me they are calling for an agreement.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:21pm:

Are they saying that? Seems to me they are calling for an agreement.

They are calling for Israel to stop retaliating until the Palestinians wipe them out. Here you go Spot, some of Falah's views on what a peace treaty means. Note that by stolen land he means all of Israel.


falah wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 2:42pm:

freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 12:21pm: It cannot cope with trying to make peace with the victors. You mean surrender. Muslims don't surrender. Do you consider surrender a praiseworthy act? Why don't you go and live in France you surrender-monkey?

falah wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:32pm:

freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:21pm: Quote: Do you consider surrender a praiseworthy act? It is better than refusing to acknowledge you lost a war. If you don't surrender, you haven't lost. [quote] Falah, what is the difference between refusing to surrender when you have lost so miserably, and not wanting the bloodshed to continue? Do you actually think the Palestinians are on the verge of some kind of victory?

It is one thing to sign a peace treaty, another thing to surrender.
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Here Falah explains that even though Muhammed himself reneged on every single peace treaty he made with Jews and forced them out of their homes as collective punishment for what was obviously a crime rather than an act of war, it was 'always the jews' fault'.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1337653279/100#100




falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 9:16am:

freediver wrote on May 24th, 2012 at 8:19am: Quote: But too I believe Palestinians can exist as neighbours to us. I wonder if Abu and Falah could reciprocate this gesture without qualifying it as temporary or some other silly attempt at deception. I believe Israelis can live as good neighbours as soon as they get off stolen Palestinian land.

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

Jews must remove support for Israel. They have blood on their hands.

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

Israel's impending destruction foretold:

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 7:12pm:

Soon the Jews will find that they have pushed their greed too far. How they will wish that had made peace when they had the chance.

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 7:21pm: Are they saying that? Seems to me they are calling for an agreement. They are calling for Israel to stop retaliating until the Palestinians wipe them out. Here you go Spot, some of Falah's views on what a peace treaty means. Note that by stolen land he means all of Israel. falah wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 2:42pm: freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 12:21pm: It cannot cope with trying to make peace with the victors. You mean surrender. Muslims don't surrender. Do you consider surrender a praiseworthy act? Why don't you go and live in France you surrender-monkey? falah wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 12:32pm: freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:21pm: Quote: Do you consider surrender a praiseworthy act? It is better than refusing to acknowledge you lost a war. If you don't surrender, you haven't lost. [quote] Falah, what is the difference between refusing to surrender when you have lost so miserably, and not wanting the bloodshed to continue? Do you actually think the Palestinians are on the verge of some kind of victory? It is one thing to sign a peace treaty, another thing to surrender.

Here Falah explains that even though Muhammed himself reneged on every single peace treaty he made with Jews and forced them out of their homes as collective punishment for what was obviously a crime rather than an act of war, it was 'always the jews' fault'.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1337653279/100#100


falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 9:16am:

freediver wrote on May 24th, 2012 at 8:19am: Quote: But too I believe Palestinians can exist as neighbours to us. I wonder if Abu and Falah could reciprocate this gesture without qualifying it as temporary or some other silly attempt at deception. I believe Israelis can live as good neighbours as soon as they get off stolen Palestinian land.

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

Jews must remove support for Israel. They have blood on their hands.

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

Israel's impending destruction foretold:

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 7:12pm:

Soon the Jews will find that they have pushed their greed too far. How they will wish that had made peace when they had the chance.

[/quote]

If we are going to quote from ancient fictional books that were only ever meant as guides such as the Bible or Koran we're never going to get anywhere..common sense and truth should come first.

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They are calling for Israel to stop retaliating until the Palestinians wipe them out. Here you go Spot, some of Falah's views on what a peace treaty means. Note that by stolen land he means all of Israel.

Is falah a palestinian?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 9:09am:

Quote: They are calling for Israel to stop retaliating until the Palestinians wipe them out. Here you go Spot, some of Falah's views on what a peace treaty means. Note that by stolen land he means all of Israel. Is falah a palestinian? SOB

No. He seems to have adopted this genocidal stance merely by having the same religion as them.

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 7:21pm: Are they saying that? Seems to me they are calling for an agreement. They are calling for Israel to stop retaliating until the Palestinians wipe them out.

More lies Freeliar? Freeliar seems to lie in every post. We are calling on the Zionist Jews to return all the land that they have stolen.


falah wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 2:42pm:

freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 12:21pm: It cannot cope with trying to make peace with the victors. You mean surrender. Muslims don't surrender. Do you consider surrender a praiseworthy act? Why don't you go and live in France you surrender-monkey?

The Israeli have rejected every peace treaty offered offered by the palestinians. The Israelis want the palestinians to give up everything. Who would accept that?





freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

Here Falah explains that even though Muhammed himself reneged on every single peace treaty he made with Jews

You are a liar Freeliar, it was the jews that broke every peace treaty.



freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

and forced them out of their homes as collective punishment for what was obviously a crime rather than an act of war, it was 'always the jews' fault'

Another lie. 99% of the Muslims living in the Islamic state were not expelled.

A couple of tribes that broke peace treaties, and attacked the Islamic state were ordered to leave the Islamic state. Some of the tribes people asked for permission to stay and were thus granted permission.

This expulsion only applied to the small number of Jews who had lived as a state within a state until they had broken the treaty. Their right to live as a state within a state was revoked because of their violations of the treaty.

99% of the Jews were not expelled from the Islamic state. This is either because they asked for permission to stay with the Islamic state without their 'state within a state' status or because they were from the areas where the 'state with a state' status was not granted in the first place.

Why did not all the expelled Jews ask for permission to stay in the Islamic state? Because their arrogance stopped them from submitting to the rule of Muslims.






freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

I wonder if Abu and Falah could reciprocate this gesture without qualifying it as temporary or some other silly attempt at deception.

Jews are welcome to live in an Islamic state as long and they return stolen land and pay compensation for their crimes.


freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

falah wrote on May 24th, 2012 at 9:35am: Jews must remove support for Israel. They have blood on their hands.

Nobody should support the evil murderous thieving state of Israel



freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

falah wrote on May 24th, 2012 at 5:23pm: Israel's impending destruction foretold: Bible prophecies must really upset you. freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 7:41pm: [quote author=64636E636A020 link=1337604230/43#43 date=1337850762]Soon the Jews will find that they have pushed their greed too far. How they will wish that had made peace when they had the chance.

Just like Hitler wished he had only invaded Czechoslavakia and not Poland and Russia.

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 9:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 9:09am: Quote: They are calling for Israel to stop retaliating until the Palestinians wipe them out. Here you go Spot, some of Falah's views on what a peace treaty means. Note that by stolen land he means all of Israel. Is falah a palestinian? SOB No. He seems to have adopted this genocidal stance merely by having the same religion as them.

the palestinians arent all muslims.

SOB

Israel is building settlements again. No chance for peace they wont even talk. They want to build 800 more jewish houses.

SOB

Why does nobody want to comment on these new settlements? Perhaps because they are illegal and wrong and cant be justified.

SOB