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Title: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 9th, 2012 at 11:46am
SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems...
...and an example of moslems justifying this slaughter, as a moslem war against infidels. In the current conflict in Syria, each side in the conflict has the conviction that THEY ONLY, are the REAL moslems. n.b. As one of our OzPol compatriots has said.... "Conviction is the art of being certain" the sig line of NorthOfNorth, helian. The Alawite moslems [i.e. the Syrian government forces] consider the Sunni moslem faction to be infidels. And the Sunni moslem faction [i.e. the insurgents] consider the Alawite moslems to be infidels. e.g. An example here on OzPol of how intolerant moslems ARE, of anyone outside of their own moslem group/faction.... Quote:
Syria Exposed - FOUR CORNERS 2012-02-20 http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1329795404/3#3 n.b. "....Alawites are not Muslim...." Those are the words of a 'rational' moslem and a REAL moslem, here on the OzPol site. So there you have it. Alawite moslems, ARE NOT, ......moslems. [i.e. In the same sense that a Shia moslem would declare that the Sunni moslems, ARE NOT moslems.] !!! +++ All REAL moslems 'know' that the present conflict in Syria, IS NOT A CONFLICT IN WHICH MOSLEMS ARE KILLING MOSLEMS. All REAL moslems 'know' this because all REAL moslems 'know', that it is not lawful for a moslem to intentionally kill another moslem. ISLAMIC law strictly forbids a moslem, from intentionally killing, ......>> another moslem <<... "......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him." Koran 4.92-93 And when falah says, "Yadda you are a moron. Alawites are not Muslim....", ....falah knows [i.e. falah as a Sunni moslem, has a conviction], that the Alawite moslems [a faction of Shia ISLAM] are infidels. So when Alawite moslems die in this conflict in Syria [e.g. in car bomb explosions, in Damascus], falah cannot grieve for the dead Alawite moslems. On such occasions rather, perhaps, people like falah will give out sweets, to their [REAL] moslem friends ? To celebrate the victory of the ['right kind' of] moslems, over the friends of SATAN [i.e. the 'wrong kind' of moslems]. When Alawite moslems in Syria die, Sunni moslems around the world can only be happy and joyous, that more infidels have gone to Allah's hell. n.b. "Yadda you are a moron. Alawites are not Muslim, they are In the current conflict in Syria, both the Alawite moslems, and the Sunni moslems, are each >> certain << [they have a conviction], that their opponents are infidels. And so, those infidels who resist the authority of the REAL moslems, deserve no mercy, but should be slain [ <---- Allah commands this. And Allah, is never wrong! ].... "Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)." Koran 33.60,61 n.b. "....they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)." Any treachery, every deceit, and the most horrible violence, may justifiably be brought by moslems, against their enemies, because the REAL moslems know, and the REAL moslems have the conviction, that they are fighting against Allah's enemies, WHO ARE THE FRIENDS OF SATAN. And SATAN is evil. And we all hate what is evil, don't we ? +++ Dictionary; infidel = = a person who has no religion or whose religion is not that of the majority. Each side in this present conflict in Syria, is demonstrating [imo, their insanity, and] the intransigence of the ISLAMIC 'moral' position towards ALL 'infidels'. But the stance of the REAL moslems, is a 'justified' stance. [...in their eyes] Justified by ISLAM, and justified by the 'purity' of ISLAM's doctrines of violence against those who resist Allah's will. Doctrines which are authorized by Allah's direct commands [in the Koran], demonstrating how infidels should be fought. Fought with utter ruthlessness, wherever resistance to moslem authority is expressed. And this ruthlessness towards the enemies of Allah is justified by ISLAM as very 'good works', because the REAL moslems know that they are, 1/ fighting against the 'oppressors' of the people, 2/ who are 'the friends of SATAN'. Moslems who fight against their enemies, are doing 'good works', as Allah has revealed' that moslems who engage in the Jihad [against his enemies] are fighting against 'the friends of SATAN'.... "Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value). And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!" Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan." Koran 4.74-76 Infidels are oppressors, AND, the friends of SATAN. All REAL moslems are virtuous people. In their persecution of non-moslems, moslems are merely obeying Allah's own directives and commands. You can see, can't you, that moslems, in all of their conflicts with non-moslems, are totally justified, by their god, Allah ? /sarc off And it is clear as day, that in this present conflict within Syria, that on both sides of the conflict, it is the moslems who are killing the 'infidels', Because remember [from above]; "....If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell,...." Koran 4.92-93 +++ But, it is an obligation for everyone who calls himself/herself a moslem, to join the Jihad, against Allah's enemies... "......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith." Koran 2.089 "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....." Koran 48.29 "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. " Koran 9.29 The Jihad [against Allah's enemies], is an religious obligation, FOR >> EVERY << MOSLEM MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD. "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things." Koran 9.38, 39 That is Allah, speaking in the third person. ;) +++ And now, something completely different. A few words from the God of Israel... Psalms 9:16 The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah. Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. I'd like to see that. +++ And a little addendum, a little something extra... So who are the REAL moslems ? The Alawite moslems ??? OR, the Sunni moslems ??? You decide.... Quote:
Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0 |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by hawil on Apr 9th, 2012 at 12:05pm
All REAL moslems are virtuous people.
There must be a lot of moslems who are not virtuous, because they have been killing each other in many countries, but then so did the Christians and still do. Religions were all invented by humans for the benefit of some humans at the expense of other humans; elite or powerful versus the weak. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by falah on Apr 9th, 2012 at 12:17pm
Yadda you are an idiot, somewhat retarded it would seem.
The government and military of Syria is run by Alawites, not Muslims. Alawites are religious group found in mainly in Syria. The Alwite religion (known as Nusairy in Arabic) was invented only a few centuries ago. The Assad family that rule Syria are Nusairi Alawites, not Muslims. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 9th, 2012 at 12:45pm falah wrote on Apr 9th, 2012 at 12:17pm:
falah, IMO, ISLAM itself is a fabricated, false religion. And imo, Mohammed is a false prophet [i.e. Mohammed is NOT a prophet, at all]. Mohammed was a warlord, a pirate, a pedophile, a rapist, a murderer, and a tyrant, ....imo. +++ Google; Alawite muslims 2+ million hits..... Quote:
Hey falah, You are not a moslem. [ <----- falah, ask an Alawite, or Shia moslem! ] You are moslem impersonator !!!!!! Only the Alawites are the REAL moslems. /sarc off |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by falah on Apr 9th, 2012 at 1:38pm
Yadda, 90% of Muslims are Sunni. That is more than 1 billion people. About 20% of all the people on Earth.
If you were to exclude Iran, close to 99% of the Muslims in the world are Sunni. Alawites make up less than 0.1% of the world's population. The Alawis were installed as military leaders by the French inthe 1940's in order to suppress the Muslims. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 9th, 2012 at 2:16pm falah wrote on Apr 9th, 2012 at 1:38pm:
ISLAM = = Divine right, is determined by force of numbers ? Right ??? LOL LOL LOL falah, A lesson from history..... Moses proved to Pharaoh, that one man, with God, ....is a majority. And that is a lesson which all moslems will learn anew, soon. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by falah on Apr 9th, 2012 at 2:23pm Yadda wrote on Apr 9th, 2012 at 2:16pm:
Looks like the Christians should be learning that lesson in Afghanistan. 10,000 Muslim Taliban soldiers with God defeating 100,000+ Christian soldiers with the devil. You should learn something there Yadda. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 9th, 2012 at 2:37pm falah wrote on Apr 9th, 2012 at 2:23pm:
The lesson is clear, to our political and community leaders. Trying to pacify [or 'normalise'] a nation like Afghanistan [a nation full of moslems], or, trying to 'accommodate' moslems, peacefully, among non-moslem is impossible. It is as foolish [and as futile] as a person trying to domesticate a 4 meter salt water crocodile. Like a large salt water crocodile, ISLAM is a predatory creature. There is no pacifying a creature like ISLAM. ISLAM must be either destroyed, OR, contained. ....OR, let God deal with it. And he will. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 9th, 2012 at 2:45pm Yadda wrote on Apr 9th, 2012 at 2:37pm:
ISLAM produces only one thing, .....DEAD BODIES. ISLAM, is a death cult. "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 "...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 e.g. ISLAM = = 'Lets assassinate our critics.' ..... [i]"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #005.059.369 +++ Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by freediver on Apr 10th, 2012 at 9:03pm
Abu believes that Shites are apostates.
He also believes in the death penalty for apostasy. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Soren on Apr 10th, 2012 at 9:28pm
The Alawis take their name from ‘Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, cousin and son-in-law of Muḥammad. They are Mohemedans. They believe in one god and they believe Mohammed to be god's prophet. That makes them as Mohammedan as falah or Abu or Osama bin Laden or Mohammed Atta or Gaddafi, the TAliban, the Ayatollahas and all the rest of them.
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Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 9:59am
So why is it you support Israel government?
Their situation is no different from the one the Syrian government is in. Syria is fighting terrorists |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Annie Anthrax on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:11am bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 9:59am:
The Syrian government are terrorists. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:17am Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:11am:
Well according to most people’s opinions on Israel they are not. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Annie Anthrax on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:19am bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:17am:
What are you talking about? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:23am Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:19am:
Well if people support Israel they should support Syria, they are both doing the exact same thing. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Annie Anthrax on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:28am How are they the same? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:30am Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:28am:
Both are fighting terrorists in populated areas and ignoring civilian casualties |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Annie Anthrax on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:55am
Who are the terrorists?
Syrian freedom fighters? Hamas? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:06am Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:55am:
Probably a mixture, but who knows. I know for a fact that the west is involved and if it’s anything like Libya which it obviously is there are militias being payed in weapons and US dollars to fight the Syrian government. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by falah on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:11am Soren wrote on Apr 10th, 2012 at 9:28pm:
This is because they worship Ali, a human being. This contradicts the main principle of Islam; nothing has the right to be worshipped except God Almighty. Alawites are not Muslim. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:32am Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:11am:
Yes i agree. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:34am Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:32am:
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Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:37am
we do not target and attack civilians in Israel
We responds to attacks to us and targets where the missiles is come from. The terrorists know this. They know they fires Grad missile, Israel picks up launch site and immediate dispate of F-16s to response and retaliate. So they puts the site near civilians. So who is the blame? The people who deliberately puts near civilans and fires unprovoked or the Israeli Air Force who is protecting the people? I know who is the blame. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:39am Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:37am:
Nor does Syria They are fighting terrorists just like Israel. And just like Israel innocent people die as collateral damage in those fights. It really puts your support for Israel in doubt if you can’t support another country going through the same dilemma. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Annie Anthrax on Apr 11th, 2012 at 12:04pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:32am:
The Israeli government in its current form is almost as bad. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by freediver on Apr 11th, 2012 at 12:17pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:06am:
So your argument is that because you have no clue what is actually going on, it is the same as Israel, because you don't know anything about that situation either? falah wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:11am:
Should they be stoned to death for apostasy Falah? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 12:19pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 12:04pm:
Its just as bad, the only thing that makes it seem better is public opinion which is baseless |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 12:20pm Quote:
I do have a clue whats going on and the Syrian government is no different from the Israeli. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:03pm
Seems most of you disagree with me but can you actually point out any significant differences between Syria and Israel on this issue?
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Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Annie Anthrax on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:13pm
Israel is looking out for the interests of Israelis, however much we may disagree with their methods.
Assad is looking out for himself and his cronies. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:15pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:13pm:
So Assad should let the terrorists continue on killing people and destroying the country? Assad is looking out for his country just as much as Israel does |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Annie Anthrax on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:17pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:15pm:
What utter crap. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:18pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:17pm:
Why is it ok for Israel to fight terrorists but not Syria? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by freediver on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:30pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
This is your response to the most basic question - who is killing who: Quote:
Sounds to me like someone who wants to make a silly point without bothering to check any facts. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Annie Anthrax on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:36pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:18pm:
Do some proper research on the victims of Assad and his soldiers. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:39pm freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:30pm:
Sounds to me like someone who wants to make a silly point without bothering to check any facts.[/quote] If there are people committing terrorist attacks in Syria the government has a right to fight them. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:40pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:36pm:
Collateral damage |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:43pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:18pm:
The Syrian uprising has the same roots as the Tunisian and Egyptian (and the failed Bahraini) uprising. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Annie Anthrax on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:43pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:40pm:
Yeah, sometimes. And doesn't it f.cking burn. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:47pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:43pm:
US brought and backed mercenaries? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:47pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:43pm:
No all the time |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by freediver on Apr 11th, 2012 at 7:04pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:39pm:
If there are people committing terrorist attacks in Syria the government has a right to fight them.[/quote] You are confusing might with right. Just being a government doesn't give you a right to anything. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 11th, 2012 at 7:19pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:47pm:
The US has done as much as it could (without intervening) to prevent the success of the Arab Spring. Having lost the initiative, first in Tunisia and then in Egypt (with the US doing everything it could diplomatically to support Mubarak), it then supported Saudi Arabia's intervention in Bahrain and has little desire for regime change in Syria. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Grey on Apr 11th, 2012 at 7:39pm
Most governments will turn on their own people if they feel the stability of the country is threatened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqYzIWmga3I |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Grey on Apr 11th, 2012 at 7:46pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80DbxSZ_FB8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHwrwISwbF4&feature=related |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 11th, 2012 at 8:02pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 7:19pm:
I hate Assad but it is better for rest of us non-arab for him to stay. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:17pm
PP asks.....
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 9:59am:
While Annie responds...... Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:11am:
Why support Israel, and the Jewish people ? My response, to both PP and Annie, is expressed in the content of this image.... IMAGE SOURCE.... http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/04/fighting-for-free-speech-in-a-manhattan-courtroom.html |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:35pm
Because they are so civilized
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Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:45pm freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 7:04pm:
You are confusing might with right. Just being a government doesn't give you a right to anything. [/quote] On a morality level, that sentiment is correct. But in real world 'politick', the power paradigm which has always prevailed in man's political world is this.... "Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must." Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian That is 'the law of the universe' which most of mankind have chosen to embrace, in his dealings with his fellow man, imo. The 'law' that might is right. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:56pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:35pm:
Yes. Self defence, is not an uncivilised act[ion]. And self defence, is not a violent act [ ....on the part of the person defending them self]. True self defence, even where the attacker loses his life, is a righteous act, before God. Deuteronomy 25:1 If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked. This ---->, is what ISLAMIC Jihad, against Israel, is doing ---->...... Deuteronomy 27:25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen. Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:59pm Quote:
So then you support the Syrian government? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:08pm Yadda wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:56pm:
Mark 3:27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house. And what is the law [of God], regarding those who come as a false witness [i.e. moslem accusers, of the Jewish people], so as to justify themselves doing another harm ? Deuteronomy 19:16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; 17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; 18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; 19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you. 20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you. 21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:20pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:59pm:
No. The Syrian regime are moslems. I do not align myself with people who justify murdering others, to attain political power. And that is >> EXACTLY << what ISLAM teaches, to all moslems, .....TO BOTH SUNNI MOSLEMS, AND, TO SHIA MUSLIMS. That is what ISLAM justifies. My position, my attitude to moslems, and ISLAM..... A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to lie to, to plunder and to rob, to rape, to enslave, and to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe. If as some would claim, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ??? n.b. According to ISLAM itself, a good 'moslem', is defined as a person who chooses to embrace the tenets and laws of ISLAM. ISLAM is a political tyranny. And ISLAM teaches moslems to embrace political tyranny, and encourages moslems to justify and accept violence against, and the oppression of, those who are not moslems. +++ Psalms 9:16 The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:24pm
But they are defending themselves against terrorists?
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Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:26pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 9:59am:
It is completely different in every way. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:34pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:24pm:
Yes. And they themselves [the Syrian regime], use the very same justification, and they use the very same violence, as the insurgents [i.e. the 'terrorists'] who are attacking them. The situation is, imo, that: a 'terrorist' regime, is being attacked by another group of terrorists. PP, Did you read and understand, what i was saying in my opening post, in this thread ? Quote:
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Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Avram Horowitz on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:37pm
Yadda -- we Israelis continue to battle as the little country which is surround all sides by aggressors who has started 3 wars with us in last half century.
We has aggressive country like Syria of to be mind, We needs support from our ally like USA, like Australia and like UK, We are little brave country but we fight on |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by falah on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:51pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:37pm:
The true agressor is Israel: Deir Yassin: No passing over history n April 9, 1948, scores of Palestinian civilians were massacred at the village of Deir Yassin through co-operative efforts of Yishuv forces like the Irgun, Lehi and the Haganah. The Zionist narrative on the events of 1948 and the Nakba - the Arabic word for the depopulation of Palestine - talks about the war as a defensive one where there was no intention on behalf of the Israeli forces to shift the demographics by force. Rather, that narrative tells us, the refugees were created during the hostilities which began when five Arab armies invaded Israel the day after it declared its independence on May 15, 1948. Too often, people who talk about "making peace" advise that we pass over history and look forward without getting lost in the "duelling narratives" of this period. But peace cannot happen without a rectification of past injustices and we cannot approach this without talking about what these injustices are. The Zionist narrative will counter, defensively, that any injustices are not the fault of Israel and this is where the issue of "duelling narratives" prevents further discussion. But there are simple, undeniable facts that any two sane people, Zionist or otherwise, should be able to agree on. For example, I think we can all agree that April 9, 1948, occurred before May 15, 1948. This is not a matter perspective, this is chronology. When you actually look at the history - even versions documented by Israeli historians using official Israeli archival material - what you learn is that a very significant portion of the total refugees were created long before May 15, 1948. Had it not been for the hundreds and thousands of refugees flowing into Arab states and massacres like Deir Yassin, the Arab armies would likely not have been compelled to intervene. Clearly, indisputable and historically non-controversial chronological facts blow significant holes in the Zionist narrative about cause and effect. But sequence is not the only problem. The other point of contention Zionists hold is that Israeli actions during the war were defensive and not intended to depopulate. The goal of the Zionist movement was to establish a Jewish state in the land of Palestine which had a significant non-Jewish majority of Palestinian Arabs. Through years of immigration, the Zionists managed to grow from 11 per cent of Palestine's inhabitants in 1922 to about 30 per cent in 1946. Refugee creation The Zionist goal, which was unachievable for decades, came to fruition after 18 months of hostilities when Jews suddenly became 85 per cent of the population of the state of Israel. So, the Zionist narrative will have you believe that the Zionist dream of establishing a state with a Jewish majority, which was unachievable without war then, finally achieved during the fog of one, happened completely by accident. One does not have to be a supporter of Israel or Palestine to accept this explanation - just astoundingly naïve. Sweeping changes in demographics over territory do not happen by accident. In the modern era, they are invariably state-driven initiatives. Prior to May 15, 1948, the Israeli state army, or Haganah, was engaged in conquering and razing scores of civilian villages - not military installations. There is really no "defensive" explanation for the demolition of scores of entire civilian villages. The only possible objective behind such actions is to prevent Palestinian Arabs from having homes to live in and thus force them elsewhere. In March 1948, the United States - which had emerged as a superpower after the Second World War - decided to withdraw its support for the 1947 UN Partition Plan because the vacuum of power created by the impending end of the British Mandate would result "in chaos, heavy fighting and much loss of life in Palestine". Seeing this, the Zionists knew their shot at achieving a Jewish state through diplomatic means would be delayed at the least, if not abandoned all together. They decided to achieve it by force. That is why the depopulation accelerated at this point. Within 45 days, before May 15, 1948, nearly 170 towns and villages had been depopulated, accounting for about 380,000 refugees. This period, prior to the entry of Arab armies, saw the highest rate of refugee creation between 1947 and 1949. The effort to change the demography of the landscape by force was in full swing. We cannot achieve any form of Israeli-Palestinian peace while ignoring this past. As many marked Easter and Passover this weekend - celebrations of redemption - we should turn our focus today to the anniversary of a massacre and the decisive period of depopulation during which it took place. Israelis and Palestinians alike cannot move forward without addressing the original sins the state of Israel was built upon. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/04/201249125656342960.html |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:52pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:37pm:
Avram, I agree with you. In a fair world, countries like the USA, Australia and UK should support Israel. But sadly, we do not live in a fair world. Avram, In the Jewish Old Testament, the God of Israel says that all nations will be against Israel [...in these latter times]. Why so ? The God of Israel wants the Jewish people to return to him, and to understand that only he can defeat Israel's worldly enemies. Google; all nations will turn against israel Avram, Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Love God's righteousness Avram, with all of your heart, and your God will guide you, and Israel. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 12th, 2012 at 12:13am falah wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:51pm:
Looking at the narrative above; CULTURALLY, MOSLEMS ARE KNOWN TO BE INVETERATE LIARS. MOSLEMS WILL LIE, WHENEVER THEY CAN, TO TRY TO ACHIEVE AN OBJECTIVE. Q. THEREFORE; WHEN WE KNOW THAT MOSLEMS DEAL SO 'LOOSELY' WITH THE TRUTH, HOW CAN WE TRUST ANY ONE OF THEIR NARRATIVES ? A. We cannot. “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya Google; taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit Google; we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them" How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 12th, 2012 at 12:51pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:26pm:
You are a hypocrit |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by freediver on Apr 12th, 2012 at 6:34pm falah wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:51pm:
Sounds like Abu's version of the history of the Caliphate, where it took over most of the known world by defending itself. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 12th, 2012 at 11:47pm freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 6:34pm:
;D [LIE #1] Moslems are a virtuous people, "Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors." Koran 3.110 [LIE #2] And in their own eyes, moslems are this worlds predominant identifiable group who are the victims of constant persecution [...by non-moslems]. #1, All moslems know that they are NOT a virtuous people. [e.g. read the first post in this thread.] #2, Moslems know that they are NOT a persecuted people, but rather that moslems themselves are projecting that particular accusation against the victims of moslem culture [i.e. ISLAM]. e.g. Typical moslem 'virtue' on display, yet again; Quote:
Pakistan: Christian mother of 6-month-old baby illegally held in jail for "blasphemy" after refusing to convert to Islam http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/04/pakistan-christian-mother-of-6-month-old-baby-illegally-held-in-jail-for-blasphemy-after-refusing-to.html +++ Where is the United Nations Human Rights Commission ?... Where is Amnesty International ?... Where is the mainstream Western media ?... Where are the 'moderate' moslems, who are living in Western nations ?... .....COMPLAINING EVERY TIME SUCH ABHORRENT COMMON OCCURRENCES HAPPEN WITHIN MAJORITY MOSLEM NATIONS ??? .....COMPLAINING ABOUT THE COMMON PERSECUTION AND OPPRESSION OF NON-MOSLEMS, LIVING WITHIN MAJORITY MOSLEM NATIONS ??? All moslems know that they are NOT a virtuous people. Psalms 28:3 Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts. 4 Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert. Psalms 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Grey on Apr 13th, 2012 at 12:38am Quote:
This thread is an example of how much better off we'd be without religion and the fanatics that support it. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 13th, 2012 at 1:03am Grey wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 12:38am:
This thread is an example of how much better off we'd be without human insanity, driven [empowered] by unrestrained human carnal desires. 'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0 |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Apr 13th, 2012 at 10:29am Yadda wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 11:47pm: CORRECTION; All moslems who are NOT suffering from Cognitive dissonance, know that they are NOT a virtuous people. Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance e.g. This assertion is widely proclaimed by many moslems [and by virtually ALL political leaders in the West].... "ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant religion." The reality, which is exposed by scrutiny.... THE RELIGION OF PEACE http://thereligionofpeace.com/ |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 11:20pm falah wrote on Apr 9th, 2012 at 12:17pm:
"Egyptian Muslim cleric: Muslim Brotherhood presidential candidate said that the Shiites are more dangerous to Islam than the Jews" http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/egypt-muslim-cleric-says-that-muslim-brotherhood-presidential-candidate-said-that-the-shiites-are-mo.html ...Coz Shiites are not moslems, ....Shiites are only pretending to be moslems. /sarc off Please believe me; .........ALL MOSLEMS ARE 'PRETENDING' TO BE MOSLEMS. i.e. ALL moslems are self-serving deceivers. That is just the nature of ISLAM coming out, in moslems. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by falah on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 11:21pm
The Shi-ite religion was started by a Jew. It has a lot of similarities with Judaism like praying only three times a day.
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Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Sprintcyclist on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 11:31pm falah wrote on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 11:21pm:
so murdering them is ok ? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by falah on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 11:41pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 11:31pm:
Only someone as psychotic as you would ask such a question. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 12:04am falah wrote on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 11:41pm:
falah, Only someone as psychotic as you would project the symptoms of your own psychotic sickness, onto others. A simple definition of INSANITY. Quote:
ISLAM's 'gift', to America. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Sprintcyclist on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 1:09am falah wrote on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 11:41pm:
only an insane islamic would divert the question he directly alluded to. |
Title: IRAQ: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems.. Post by Yadda on Aug 11th, 2013 at 12:53pm IRAQ: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems... ...and an example of moslems justifying this slaughter, as a moslem war against infidels. In Iraq, moslems are slaughter moslems, just as they do Syria, Pakistan, Lebanon, etc, etc. [Q. who are the REAL infidels ??? ] View this gallery of 'rightly guided' moslem car bombings [no bodies]; http://www.startribune.com/galleries/217382211.html AND; http://news.yahoo.com/photos/car-bombings-in-iraq-1375112449-slideshow/ List of mass car bombings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_car_bombings When moslems kill moslems in car bombings in Iraq [as well as in other ISLAMIC 'paradises'], we [those persons who do not understand the motives of REAL moslems] must understand that the moslems who perpetrate these outrages against civilians, are NOT, NOT, NOT, killing moslems. Oh no! The moslems [in moslem majority jurisdictions] who perpetrate these bombing outrages [at mosques, at funerals, and at markets] against civilians, know that they are doing Allahs 'good works', in killing the filthy infidels !!! Q. How can we be certain of this [misplaced motivation] ? A. Because ISLAM [and Allah] declares [in Allah's holy Koran] that while it is completely 'lawful' for a moslem to SLAUGHTER the infidel, a moslem must NEVER, EVER, kill [i.e. murder] a fellow moslem. So, EVERY MOSLEM [bomber!] knows that he [the moslem] has a religious obligation [i.e. a 'religious' justification] to terrorise, subjugate [enslave], and/or kill, those who do not believe as they believe. BUT, BUT, BUT, a moslem [bomber!] knows that he must NEVER, EVER, kill [i.e. murder] a fellow moslem. So, then we [those persons who do not understand the motives of REAL moslems] must ask ourselves; Q. Who do these ISLAMIST [moslem] bombers think that they are killing [when they detonate car bombs in moslem majority jurisdictions], if they are not allowed to kill moslems ??? A. These ISLAMIST [moslem] bombers KNOW, that they are killing non-moslems, the Kuffar [i.e. moslem >>impersonators<<]! We can be absolutely sure that the moslem holy warriors are not targeting fellow moslems, in those bombings, because Allah's law declares that moslems must never knowingly kill another moslem. "......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him." Koran 4.092, 93 But, killing Kuffar, AND, killing persons who are impersonating moslems [i.e. not 'real' moslems] is completely 'lawful', for a REAL moslem. Google; car bombs in iraq a few of the hits..... Quote:
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Title: IRAQ: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems.. Post by Yadda on Aug 11th, 2013 at 12:56pm
CONTINUED FROM LAST POST....
IRAQ: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems... ...and an example of moslems justifying this slaughter, as a moslem war against infidels.iISLAM - is the worldwide death cult that sanctifies the murder, OR, enslavement, of non-members of that cult. And when we see moslems slaughtering fellow moslems, what we [non-moslems] are witnessing is the moslem [perception of their] war against infidels !! And we are infidels too, in the eyes of moslems. So it is a pertinent question to ask; When do the moslems intent to bring their war to us [to our communities] too ? And what we [the persons who do not understand the motives of REAL moslems] must come to understand, is that there are many, many persons within the moslem community within Australia, who [IF THEY HAD THAT CAPABILITY AND THAT 'OPPORTUNITY'] would detonate car bombs within Australia - so as to slaughter those filthy kuffar/infidels! [and there are already, many moslems languishing within Australian prisons, [view the gallery of 'rightly guided' moslem car bombings, linked at the beginning of this post] "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 Q. Why are we [why is our government!] allowing moslems [who are persons who choose to embrace a such philosophy], to come to live among us, within our own Australian communities ? And again i ask why ? I am perplexed at the stupidity of our politicians, because these persons [moslems] embrace a philosophy, which teaches moslems [from childhood], that it is THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY - A WICKED and DECEITFUL people.... EXAMPLE #1, YT KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE "...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" "...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4 EXAMPLE #2, Speaking in the UK, publicly, AND THEN PRIVATELY, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims. Quote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html n.b. This moslem declared to the broader community that moslems condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. BUT LATER IT WAS REVEALED, that that moslem omitted to declare that moslems in the UK, DO NOT regard the members of the broader UK community as innocent civilians. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 17th, 2014 at 10:55am Yusuf Ali Quote:
http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=942519 When Australian citizen, Yusuf Ali, was initially declared a victim of the internecine conflict [moslems slaughtering other moslems] in Syria, didn't the Australian moslem community claim that this person had gone to Syria as an 'aid worker', so as to help the victims of the conflict ? And now it emerges [when the Australian moslem community are no longer able to spin, Yusuf Ali, as 'a quiet and a gentle man'], now his friends, and the moslem community, concede that Yusuf Ali had darker motives, for travelling to Syria. Surprise, surprise, ....NOT! Moslems are inveterate LIARS. It can be demonstrated, that moslems are continually, and intentionally; 1/ misrepresenting ISLAM to us [who are not moslems], 2/ misrepresenting themselves to us [who are not moslems], 3/ and misrepresenting the 'character' of their community to us [who are not moslems]. Q. Why so ? A. Moslems are inveterate LIARS, because moslems are persons who are enthralled by ISLAM. What is ISLAM ??? Quote:
And what is a 'moslem' ??? Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. Dictionary; terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Why would any thinking, reasonable person, wish to associate themselves with a vile, and violent and deceitful philosophy like ISLAM ? ISLAM is a false religion, for a false people. Stay away from it, spurn it. ISLAM is not worthy. Moslems are not worthy. Google; we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them" Google; taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit 2 Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Proverbs 15:9 The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness. Psalms 146:8 The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous: |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 17th, 2014 at 10:40pm Yadda wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 10:55am:
Lying for Allah, and lying for ISLAM, so as to promote ISLAM and its interests = = 'good works' for the moslem. Every act, which helps ISLAM to defeat the infidel = = 'good works' for the moslem. a good one..... Taqiyya and Tawriya: how muslims deceive the infidels http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfxbHLPomAE |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Stratos on Jan 17th, 2014 at 10:55pm
Yadda, for someone who claims that Muslims are allowed to lie to non-believers, you sure do it a lot. I have explained to you now many times that taqiyya means a Muslim can hide their faith in order to protect themself, which is hardly a bad thing.
Look up what the Koran actually says in reference to the practice and you will see it is nothing like what you repeatedly say. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 17th, 2014 at 11:27pm Stratos wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 10:55pm:
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That is only a half-truth Stratos. But i think that you know that. Stratos, You are such a valuable useful idiot for ISLAMISTS. Such a useful disseminator, of moslem lies and deceit. And the sad fact is that you do not care one iota, that you are a disseminator of moslem lies and deceit. Why is that Stratos ? There is an interest that you are protecting. But it is an interest that you will never disclose here. Why is that Stratos ?i Yadda wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 10:55am:
ONE EXAMPLE [the next item, below], of a truth which Stratos resolutely refuses to acknowledge and confront. [And why is that so ?] Quote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece Why so ? Q. Why does Stratos emphatically refuse to acknowledge and confront the [clearly apparent] wickedness and lies of moslems ? A. In defending the wickedness and the lying of moslems, there is an interest that Stratos is protecting. But it is an interest that Stratos will never disclose to us here on OzPol. Stratos, you are just a very insincere and untrustworthy person, imo. You should convert. You would be right 'at home', amongst the 'brothers'. You already have the most important characteristics, of a good moslem, imo. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 17th, 2014 at 11:31pm
Yadda - I would argue that Syria is not an example of Muslims killing Muslims.
Whilst it is the case that both sides are Muslim - its the same as saying in Northern Ireland the IRA fighting the UFF is Christians murdering Christians. It's more a case of an utter fruitcake desperately clinging to power because he knows when/if he falls he will end up like Mr Gadaffi, shot in the head and paraded on the front of a jeep through the streets. Assad doesn't care if the opponents are Jewish, Muslim, Christian or Buddhist - he cares that they are rebels and opponents and want him dead. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Stratos on Jan 17th, 2014 at 11:49pm
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YUSUFALI: Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty. That is the passage that the doctrine of taqiyya is based on. Tell me where it says you can say whatever the hell you want. Yadda wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 11:27pm:
Because I've never met an extremist Muslim. I know they are out there sure, but frankly lately it's been the actions of yourself and Pete who worry me far more, who use their religion as justification to murder babies. So lets have a quick look at the religious people who post here: You (christian): Believe killing babies and genocide is OK under certain circumstances. Pete (christian): Believe killing babies is OK under certain circumstances. Gandalf (muslim): Does not believe killing babies is OK under certain circumstances. I absolutely condemn anyone who would use their religion for evil, and there are Muslims who do this. You will never hear me defend them. What I don't like is people who would make wild assumption on two and a half billion people and judge them based on their choice of religion, a religion which the majority practice peacefully. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:41am Stratos wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 11:49pm:
e.g. Quote:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012406.phpi Quote:
You prefer moslems, to Christians, because the moslems which you have contact with [publicly, openly] decry wrongdoing ? And moslems can't lie to you [about their real intents and their real motives] ? :D does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 1:06pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:02pm:
I do not believe the 'stance' which you are presenting here, Stratos. You are defending moslems, for a reason which you have not disclosed, imo. IMO, you are a very deceitful person. That is my opinion of you. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 7:19am Stratos wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 11:49pm:
Want to answer that this time Yadda? And not with the ramblings of some radical? Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:41am:
Well why not. Also conveniently avoiding the fact you (and Pete) support baby killing in certain circumstances. Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:41am:
According to scripture on taqiyya, no. Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 12:41am:
Says the guy who supports baby killing and genocide lol |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by wally1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 8:18am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 17th, 2014 at 11:31pm:
One of the most sensible posts ive seen off you in a long time. Assad will destroy his whole country before he loses power and will kill any human being just to do it. Assads dad slaughtered 30-40 thousand people in the 70's, I guess the population is rising up and trying to stop his son aswell. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:19am Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 7:19am:
Yadda, is a baby killer! Yadda, is a baby killer! Quote:
Yadda, is a baby killer! Yadda, is a baby killer! Hey folks, we don't have to address any of Yadda's arguments in his posts any more, coz, Yadda, is a baby killer! Yadda, is a baby killer! |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:30am Yadda, is a baby killer! Yadda, is a baby killer! BUT THESE FOLKS [encouraging infants to be combatants and sucicide bombers] ARE OK, COZ, THEY ARE POOR, POOR MOSLEMS; Please close the Islam forum http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382389044/120#120 "....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood." ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb. More moslem justification for the slaughter of children, during "Jihad operations".... Quote:
.....quoting a 'peace loving' moslem cleric, explaining that it is the non-moslems who are always to blame, when non-moslem children [i.e. Jewish children in occupied 'Palestinian'] are killed in "Jihad operations" with moslems. Google; "There Can Be No End to Jihad" i.e. SO, ACCORDING TO THE DUPLICITY OF MOSLEM PROPAGANDA.... If those who resist ISLAMISTS inadvertently kill innocents = = "THEY, ARE MURDERERS OF INNOCENTS" But if ISLAMISTS kill innocents = = IT IS THE FAULT OF INFIDELS, BECAUSE THEY ARE BRINGING INNOCENTS INTO AN ENVIRONMENT OF CONFLICT [.....even when ISLAMISTS intentionally, or carelessly cause the deaths of those innocents] |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by wally1 on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:55am Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:19am:
Yadda,can u repeat that again? Are you a baby killer? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:57am
What are you getting at Yadda, that your beliefs are just as bad as those of extremists Muslims?
Yadda wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:19am:
No you aren't (as far as I know). But you have previously on several occasions defended the genocides commited in the name of God as they occur in the Bible. Do you deny this? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 18th, 2014 at 7:16pm Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:57am:
Where does the truth lay ? A few more examples of ISLAM's war of lies, and it is a war that is being waged by moslems, against all of 'unbelieving' mankind.... Hamas' Claims - True or False ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWSuWFbiYGM Taqiyya and Tawriya: how muslims deceive the infidels http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfxbHLPomAE Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0 Those among us, who advocate for moslems, are standing 'shoulder to shoulder' with liars and murderers. Yet moslems claim that they represent a force for peace and truth in the world - ISLAM. Where is the truth ? Based upon life experience and our own discernment, we all make our own choices in this life. And it will be, as a consequences of our choices in this life, that [in 'the end'] we ourselves, are defining who we really are. Some of us are not sorry, for our poor choices, and in that, many of us refuse to turn away from making more poor choices. The circumstance and the 'end' which prideful mankind will come to; Psalms 7:15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. ISLAM - THREE THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW!!! http://youtube.com/watch?v=OzxiHfWvBGw |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Stratos on Jan 18th, 2014 at 7:28pm
Lol Yadda, did you think that would distract me from the fact you clearly ignored this part?
Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 11:57am:
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Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 20th, 2014 at 10:20am Stratos wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
Psalms 106:34 They did not destroy the nations, concerning whom the LORD commanded them: 35 But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works. 36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them. 37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, 38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood. Stratos, I don't defend genocide, nor murder. And, i do not condemn my God for his wish, that his people would be like he is, and would destroy the wicked. i.e. The wicked - those people who commit genocide and murder, who even murder their own children. Stratos, By your choices, you want murderers to live among us. You would facilitate [more] murder, with your tolerance of murderers, and other criminals. God's way is to remove ourselves from the 'company' of murderers, and other criminals - OR - to remove murderers, and other criminals from our society. Stratos, People like yourself are facilitating murder, genocide, and other serious crimes. Why so ? Because people like yourself are facilitating, and tolerating LAWLESSNESS in men, and in the societies of men. You, and many people like you, have been 'brainwashed' to believe, that your tolerance of great evil, is a virtue. Oh yes, tolerance of great evil, is a virtue! :P NOT!!! Quote:
"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood." ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb. "Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." Karl Popper "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." Thomas Mann |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by gandalf on Jan 20th, 2014 at 10:47am Yadda wrote on Jan 20th, 2014 at 10:20am:
what about babies? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Stratos on Jan 20th, 2014 at 11:31am polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20th, 2014 at 10:47am:
No Gandalf it's OK. Killing babies is mercy under certain circumstances apparently |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 20th, 2014 at 1:28pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20th, 2014 at 10:47am:
gandalf, You are a moslem. You are a hypocrite. But i repeat myself. "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." Golda Meir Please close the Islam forum http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382389044/120#120igandalf, You are a moslem [a person who endorses 'religious' murder]. You are a person who endorses ISLAM's societal tenets, and ISLAM's religious laws. But i repeat myself. Quote:
.....quoting a 'peace loving' moslem cleric, explaining that it is the non-moslems who are always to blame, when non-moslem children [i.e. Jewish children in occupied 'Palestinian'] are killed in "Jihad operations" with moslems. Google; "There Can Be No End to Jihad" <-------- These people, moslems, now live among us. They are already leaving their safe place, their sanctuary, Australia, to return to their own homelands [e.g. Somalia and Syria] so as to participate in the butchery of their enemies, safe in the knowledge that if circumstances turn against them they can now quickly return, unhindered, to their place of sanctuary. People like Stratos are culpable, for the crimes which moslems commit, in the name of ISLAM. People like Stratos have blood on their hands, as surely as if they themselves had cut someone's throat themselves, imo. Why so. Because they know. Because people like Stratos know what, ISLAM endorses and encourages. Because they know that a moslem is a follower of ISLAM. And yet, people like Stratos pretend that their tolerance OF WHAT MOSLEMS ARE, is a virtue [i.e. moslems = = unapologetic followers of ISLAM]. People like Stratos pretend that their tolerance of persons who promote religious murder [as a virtue], is a virtue too. People like Stratos are corrupted human beings, imo. "And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..." Koran 2.193 "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 Sanctified MURDER. Psalms 106:34 They did not destroy the nations, concerning whom the LORD commanded them: 35 But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works. 36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them. 37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, 38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by gandalf on Jan 20th, 2014 at 1:49pm
You did not answer the question Y.
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Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Stratos on Jan 20th, 2014 at 1:51pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20th, 2014 at 1:49pm:
Yeah. I noticed that. proabably because he is trying to distance himself from his actual belief that killing babies can be justified. Nice bit of taqiyya going on there Yadda. Maybe other religions have a doctrine of deceit too? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Stratos on Jan 20th, 2014 at 1:53pm Yadda wrote on Jan 20th, 2014 at 1:28pm:
Not corrupted enough to make excuses for genocide and infanticide like you and Pete. hate to think what would have to happen to make me able to justify that kind of thing |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by gandalf on Jan 20th, 2014 at 2:45pm
Just to clarify, the question of whether God Himself has power over all beings and can at any time take any life away at any time - is *NOT* the issue.
The issue is the idea that God would command his followers to carry out His wrath/justice for Him. Why would God "condition" his followers to become monsters? Why would God compel someone to go through the trauma of hacking to death a terrified woman and her children? What sort of society does God envisage for his people - a mob of brutal baby killers? Or a compassionate people with an acute sense of justice and morality? It just doesn't add up. Here's a good essay on the topic: http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/wes/DidGodCommandGenocide.pdf |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Stratos on Jan 20th, 2014 at 3:49pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
A good read. Thanks for that |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:21am polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
gandalf, Thank you for the link. 2014-Jan-21 Tue 4:39 am gandalf, I'm reading; http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/wes/DidGodCommandGenocide.pdf Wesley Morriston Did God Command Genocide? A Chang h Bibica Inani gandalf, Do you have a link to a quotable copy of that article ? It is going to be cumbersome to critique the argument made in this article, if i can't copy parts of what it says, e.g.; ......No doubt the autho?(?) of Deute?onomy believed thatGod had commanded a genocidal attack on the inhabitant? of the P?omi?edLand. But that i? not what a pe?fectly good God would do. so if we believethat God i?, and ha? alway? been, pe?fectly good, why ?houldn’t we ?implyconclude that the human autho?(?) of Deute?onomy we?e mi?taken?He?e i? a mo?e ca?eful fo?mulation of the a?gument that I wi?h to di?-cu??.(1) God exi?t? and i? mo?ally pe?fect.(2) so God would not command one nation to exte?minate the peopleof anothe? unless He had a morally suf?cient reason for doing so .(3) Acco?ding to va?iou? OT text?, God ?ometime? commanded the I?-?aelite? to exte?minate the people of othe? nation?.(4) It i? highly unlikely that God had a morally suf?cient reason for is -?uing the?e alleged command?.(5) so it i? highly unlikely that eve?ything eve?y book of the OT ?ay?about God i? t?ue.I believe that thi? a?gument con?titute? quite a ?t?ong prima facie ca?eagain?t ine??ancy. Unle?? a bette? a?gument can be found fo? ?ejecting it?conclu?ion, then anyone who think? that God i? pe?fectly good ?hould ac-knowledge that the?e a?e mi?take? in ?ome of the book? of the OT. Few Ch?i?tian? would have any doubt about p?emi?e (1), and I think nea?ly all would accept the move f?om (1) to (2). If God i? mo?ally pe?fect,then He mu?t be pe?fectly ju?t in Hi? dealing? with all c?eated pe??on?. Hemu?t al?o love them, de?i?ing what i? be?t fo? each of them. We can be ?u?ethat He would not command a genocidal attack unle?? He had ove??iding?ea?on? fo? doing ?o—?ea?on? that a?e compatible with Hi? pe?fect ju?ticeand love. +++ Wesley Morriston is mistaken. There is no contradiction between, for example; Leviticus 20:26, Jeremiah 9:24 and; Deuteronomy 7:1-2 Leviticus 20:26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy,.... Jeremiah 9:24 .....I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD. Deuteronomy 7:1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:i That image is not depicting a child, and a group of men. That image is depicting a polluted and defiled land. That image is depicting moral monsters [who are inhabiting God's holy land]. They are moral monsters which my God is justified to destroy as he chooses, both here, and in the spirit realm. n.b. Numbers 35:33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it. gandalf, People like you, hate God. I love God. And i love God's righteousness. And that is the difference between men. "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." Golda Meir gandalf, Men need to get right with God. But most men think that the 'fault' which we see, lays with God, and so they remain in rebellion. 2 Chronicles 19:1 And Jehoshaphat the king of Judah returned to his house in peace to Jerusalem. 2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD. Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Back later, with a fuller reply. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Stratos on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:30am
So, about that question you've been asked about 10 times now then?
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Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by gandalf on Jan 21st, 2014 at 9:43am
Yadda the PDF comes out fine for me. Suggest you check your browser's pdf plugin, otherwise you can always download it and view it through adobe reader.
Yadda wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 7:21am:
Who said anything about a contradiction? Thats not the point at all. As I keep saying, I have no beef with God smiting whomever he wishes - thats his prerogative. But usually its through earthquakes and floods - not by ordering his people to commit evil. And by "evil" I don't mean killing evil men who commit evil deeds - so don't bother bringing up that strawman again. By "evil" I mean slaughtering children and innocents. I believe "all who breath" was the exact phrase we find in the OT right? The idea being that the Israelites "smite" these evil tribes, "utterly destroy" them, and establish a moral, pure God-fearing nation in its place. Yes? Thus the essense of God's message as relayed in the OT is: "Go forth and slaughter babies - so that you may become a righteous people and spread your righteousness across the land" Does that make sense to you Yadda? What do you think it does to a man to have to hack to death a terrified woman and her helpless children? Does it instil the fear of God in him? Does it make him an upstanding and righteous man of God? Or if I can put it this way: the premise of my argument is 1. that man killing innocent children (and innocent men and women), is an entirely evil act - based on every ethical standard defined by Jesus and the NT. 2. God would never command his followers to commit an evil act - not for the sake of the victim (who will of course experience God's mercy), but for the sake of the perpetrators soul. It turns him into the very entity that God is telling his followers to remove from the land. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:41am
quick gandalf ......... rush to defend the 'rights' of some muzzies to murder others.
At least, deflect the topic. oh, you already have. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by moses on Jan 21st, 2014 at 4:28pm
Some extracts below
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So it appears the Jews accept Moses as the author of Deuteronomy. From the Bible: Quote:
It is also clear that Christians are told Moses was the author of Deuteronomy. Moses preached what he thought God wanted him to say, inspired by his faith and inner spiritualness It all took place about 3500 years ago. There are two things for believers today: First: did God actually want babies slaughtered? Or was Moses exagerating to the utmost (as he believed), the method of defeating an enemy nation? I would say to Christians read: Quote:
3500 years ago civilization was barbaric, there would no doubt have been many people who believed that the preaching to kill infants was the right spirit, there would also have been people against it. Today in 2014 with the benefit of my evolving civilization behind me, and an inbuilt revulsion at the thought of that deed, I can safely say I don't agree with that spiritual part of the words of Moses. Secondly it has absolutely nothing to do with any Christian today 2014: Quote:
So it is very obvious that today in 2014 the Law of Moses has been superceded by faith in Christ. Therefore I still firmly believe that islam is the most evil belief system, the qur'an is acknowledged as the actual word of allah. muslims right now around the globe, are slaughtering innocent men, women and children as a sacred fulfillment of the commands of allah, preached by muhammad, recorded in the qur'an, all synchronized by islam. muslims would commit genocide (have done in the past) to establish islam as the one and only belief in the world. Knowing they are fully justified by islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by wally1 on Jan 22nd, 2014 at 3:59pm |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 24th, 2014 at 1:07am polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 9:43am:
No. That is a completely incorrect proposition, gandalf. Scripture instructs us, that the moral crimes [murders and other crimes] committed by the people of those seven nations, had defiled the land upon which they lived. So God intended that the people of those nations be destroyed, SO THAT THE LAND WOULD BE CLEANSED. as per; Genesis 4:10 ...the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. Numbers 35:33 ...for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it. Leviticus 18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: 25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it,... So yes, God did command the Israelites to "utterly destroy" those seven nations. But the purpose in "utterly destroying" those seven nations [cited Deuteronomy 7:1-2], WAS, SOLELY TO CLEANSE THE LAND. But cleansing the land could not, make the Israelites a 'moral' or righteous, or 'God-fearing' people!! Because smiting evil doers, does NOT make the 'smiters' 'holy', or righteous. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 24th, 2014 at 1:08am polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 9:43am:
No. Again, that is a completely incorrect proposition, gandalf. You are in serious error, gandalf. And your words are slandering both God and the ancient Israelites. "....spread your righteousness across the land" So what is righteousness, gandalf ? Easy. Scripture teaches us, that righteousness in man [in God's eyes] is accomplished, when men seek, and sincerely *try* to obey God's will [and *try* to obey God's laws]. [....and in saying that, that does NOT mean that i am debasing Jesus sacrifice. because i acknowledge, and i know, that i am not cleansed of my wrongdoing, except by my acceptance of God's righteousness, by, accepting Jesus sacrifice.] Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. [And in Psalms 1, the Psalmist, is speaking about 'the law of the LORD' in the books of Moses!] Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. What is righteousness ? What was Jesus message ? #1, Love God. Matthew 22:36-37 #2, Obey God's !!laws!!, study the scriptures. Matthew 19:16-19, John 14:15-21, Luke 24:45 #3, Love your fellow man. Matthew 22:39, Leviticus 19:18 Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. How does a man love God ? Are Christians under grace, or under the law.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1369781476/48#48 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. gandalf, Q. Why don't moslems know those things ??? Why do moslems refuse to seek and accept, God's righteousness ??? A. Because moslems are wilfully following a false prophet. And that is why moslems [in their 'lawful' murders] are moral monsters, who portray themselves as the righteous and 'the rightly guided' judges of men, in slaughtering those who resist the will of, ...moslems. e.g. Moslems who are fighting and killing moslems! in Syria, and moslems who go to Syria to fight and kill other moslems!, are 'offering sacrifices unto devils' [Leviticus 17:7]. e.g. When moslems shout out; "Allah akbar! Allah akbar!", ...after killing someone who is *their* enemy, moslems are 'offering sacrifices unto devils' [Leviticus 17:7].!! You are so, so, far from truth, gandalf. gandalf, It is the hot place for the moslem, ....for every single moslem. Why so ? Because moslems [followers of ISLAM] are unclean [i.e. they are filthy, and un-redeemed, un-REPENTENT] spirits, who demonstrate their hatred of God, by refusing to accept God's righteousness. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 24th, 2014 at 1:09am polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 9:43am:
gandalf, You ask, does obeying God, and enacting judgement [on behalf of God] make a man righteous ? 'Does it make him an upstanding and righteous man of God?' No, it does not. gandalf, God's word, the bible, makes it clear that blood-spilling judgement [even enacted on behalf of God] is NOT [necessarily] associated with righteousness [in a man]. In the 1st instance, judgement [against the wicked], and in the 2nd instance, the righteousness of the righteous, are completely separate issues. Ah then, but what about God's command to the ancient Israelites to destroy all the people of nations, as per Deuteronomy 7:1-2 ? Weren't the ancient Israelites justified, in obeying God's command ? Yes the ancient Israelites were justified. But God's law makes it clear that those ancient Israelites, who would have exacted those judgements [commanded by God], would been [would still have made themselves] unclean, in God's eyes. And they would have had to cleanse themselves, before they could be welcomed back into the congregation of the Israelites. Leviticus 5:1-3 Numbers 19:11, 16, 19 And that nature of personal 'uncleanliness' [in the act of killing], is also demonstrated by God [in the bible], in the example of King David. e.g. During his life, King David had 'slaughtered' many of the men of surrounding nations who were troubling Israel and her people. And because King David had killed so many men, God disallowed David from building God's temple; 1 Chronicles 22:7 And David said to Solomon, My son, as for me, it was in my mind to build an house unto the name of the LORD my God: 8 But the word of the LORD came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build an house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight. 1 Chronicles 28:3 But God said unto me, Thou shalt not build an house for my name, because thou hast been a man of war, and hast shed blood. So, killing people, even righteously, makes us spiritually unclean. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 24th, 2014 at 1:13am polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 9:43am:
Leviticus 24:17 And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death. Yes, murder is a crime. But you are in serious error, gandalf. 'It turns him into the very entity that God is telling his followers to remove from the land.' No, it does not. Obeying God does not destroy a man's soul, and obeying God would not have 'injured' the souls of ancient Israelites. God is able to completely heal his servants. Psalms 32:1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. 2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. gandalf, Earlier in post #101 you said; "I have no beef with God smiting whomever he wishes..." and then; "God would never command his followers to commit an evil act..." Well, if God commanded the ancient Israelites to 'smite them, and utterly destroy them' [those seven nations], isn't it presumptuous of a person who believes in God's inerrancy, and God's justness, to condemn God's judgement against those seven nations ? Deuteronomy 7:1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Leviticus 18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: 25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it,... Genesis 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. 22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. 23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by gandalf on Jan 24th, 2014 at 7:26am
Thank you Y for once responding without irrelevant images of suicide bombers.
Yadda wrote on Jan 24th, 2014 at 1:13am:
You misunderstand my point. Anyway, if God really wanted to wipe those 7 tribes from the face of the earth, he could have done it properly in a flood or earthquake (as He had done before). Instead he asks the Israelites to do it for Him - which as it turned out they failed, because subsequent OT chapters warn against intermarrying with the remnants of those tribes. I suppose it was considered a test of faith or character or something to challenge the Israelites to hack babies to death, but Y even you can agree they failed this test. The tribes remained, and we know from reference in the OT that the tribes continued to spread corruption amongst the Israelites after the (attempted) genocide. Thus one is left to ponder, what was it all for? The intended purpose of the attempted genocide was to rid the land of the corrupting influence of the God-less people. Yet we know they failed. Is it because some of the Israelites became a big squeamish at the thought of hacking babies to death? Would God blame them for that? And I just can't help thinking - if the purpose was to get rid of the evil ways of the corrupt men of those tribes, isn't it both more practical, not to mention more ethical to just pick out the guilty men and women - put them to death if necessary, then adopt the uncorrupted children and bring them up as proper God-fearing people? In short, I think the author who stated "leave none who breath" got it wrong. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 25th, 2014 at 12:41pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24th, 2014 at 7:26am:
gandalf, Wasn't that the proper task, of their own parents ??? gandalf said.... Quote:
Luke 19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. gandalf, It is your will, to think that. And it is your will, to be in rebellion [against God's will]. Genesis 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Psalms 106:1 Praise ye the LORD. O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever. Yes, the mercy of my God, 'endureth for ever'. gandalf, I believe that the vast majority of the Jewish people will be redeemed by my God. But, not a single moslem will be redeemed by my God. And that knowledge It is the purpose of my God, to separate that which is precious, from that which is vile, within his creation. And because i hate what i see every day in this world, ...it satisfies me to know, that my God will choose to separate that which is precious [in his eyes], from that which is vile [in his eyes]. Psalms 146:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul. Deuteronomy 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. The real martyrs of God.... Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Dictionary; martyr = = a person who is killed because of their religious beliefs. But, not a single moslem will be redeemed by my God. Hallelujah! Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. And the fate of every single moslem, is to abide in Allah's 'paradise'. Hot place. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 25th, 2014 at 12:44pm Yadda wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 12:41pm:
Not a single moslem will be redeemed by my God. In the Koran, Allah declares that; Jesus did not die. And that Jesus was not crucified. SIGHTED IN THE KORAN... Koran 4.157 v. 157 - 159 e.g. Further, Allah declares that Jesus is not God's son [i.e. that Jesus is not divine]... "To Him [Allah] is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort?....." Koran 6.101 In the Koran, Allah curses Christians [...for believing that Jesus is one with God]... ".....Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!" Koran 9.30 "He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: no son has He begotten, nor has He a partner in His dominion......" Koran 25.002 " "Allah has begotten children"? but they are liars! " Koran 37.152 see also, Koran 39.4 Koran 72.3 +++ John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 1 John 2:22 ....He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Chimp_Logic on Jan 25th, 2014 at 2:25pm
....The USA up to its old tricks again - funding terrorist organisations such as Al Qaeda. According to John Kerry (not his real name) there is the GOOD Al Qaeda and the BAD Al Qaeda in the world today.
There are always different takes on what the western media portrays on your corporatized idiot box. Oh the webs of deceit that the western world swims in. Its hard to see the real sunset sometimes. Sometimes there are Jewish Christian Priests like Brother Nethanael who look at things differently enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvmXbFxdaAc freediver - sit back and watch them froth at the mouth and go nuts - OH THE OUTRAGE - the horror, the contempt, Oh the pain of the truth |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by gandalf on Jan 25th, 2014 at 2:42pm Yadda wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 12:41pm:
Thanks Yadda, good that we are back to preaching mode. Silly me to think we could actually have a serious discussion about this. Though I would like to ask, is questioning the detail of the OT actually to be in "rebellion against God's will"? I'm actually questioning whether that particular part actually *IS* God's will. I seem to remember you explaining once that the OT isn't necessarily gospel truth - not like, well the actual gospel. Do you think its possible that the author stated "kill all who breathe" - when in fact the *ACTUAL* command was something like 'kill the wrongdoers, and spare the innocents"? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Stratos on Jan 25th, 2014 at 2:46pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 2:42pm:
That doesn't sound like something yadda would say. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Jan 26th, 2014 at 1:23am Stratos wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 2:46pm:
Perhaps gandalf was thinking of something another poster, 'moses', said ? moses wrote on Jan 21st, 2014 at 4:28pm:
gandalf, For my part, i may be in error. But my God is not a liar. And personally, i trust in the fidelity of the books of the Old Testament [the Jewish bible]. Dictionary; fidelity = = 1 continuing loyalty to a person, cause, or belief. 2 the degree of exactness with which something is copied or reproduced. And the New Testament it clear, that Jesus was confident in the fidelity of the Old Testament, and in the writings of Moses, in the Old Testament. John 10:35 ...the scripture cannot be broken; Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. Luke 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. 41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them. 44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Feb 14th, 2014 at 6:00pm It seems that every day, at the moment, we see news reports of [everyone who is a causality of this conflict in Syria seems to be a 'civilian' - what i want to know is where are all of the brave ISLAMIC warriors ? - and don't any of the brave ISLAMIC warriors become casualties of this conflict ? - i do remember hearing something about a couple of weeks ago, about an Australia 'aid worker' and his Australian wife who went to Syria, who both perished - it was a tragedy. ] It is being reported, that even United Nations relief columns carrying aid to starving Syrian communities are being targeted by Women and girls being raped, children being targeted, and civilians being murdered. How can this be ? Don't Allah's 'rightly guided' moslems, know how to conduct Allah's just war ??? "Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors." Koran 3.110 +++ Quote:
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Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Soren on Feb 14th, 2014 at 7:30pm
It seems, on the evidence of the last few hundred years, that Islam is the answer only if you are seeking murder, mayhem and destruction-or the peace of the slovenly, stagnant, enervated.
There is no constructive, creative, inspiring energy in Islam. They spent it all in a brief flourish a thousand years ago. I cannot think of a single Islamic contribution to human wellness in the last several centuries. It seems all blood, anger, animosity, frustration, blaming and seething hatred. It seems to rot the spirit when taken seriously, beyond private pieties. |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Feb 14th, 2014 at 10:07pm Soren wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 7:30pm:
"Would you like to be a servant of evil ?" ....would be the question |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by moses on Feb 22nd, 2014 at 12:00pm
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It seems that amongst the myriad of verses telling muslims to go and kill people, allah shirks the job himself, instead he tells muslims to go and kill people as a test from him, if they die doing it they will be rewarded I think the world would be far better off if you concentrated on the atrocities committed daily in the name of allah (in 2014), by muslims who are obeying the qur'an to the very letter, than 3,500 year old O.T. verse which is not relevant to today. The child sex, honour killings, inbreeding, rape, torture and mass murder performed by muslims around the globe today is the real issue. Why do muslims and their apologists always try to hide from these evil atrocities being committed by muslims today 2014 ? |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Yadda on Sep 6th, 2018 at 6:57pm Quote:
The devout moslem must NEVER, EVER, slaughter a fellow moslem. ISLAMIC law forbids such murder. 4.92 But if you see yourself as the pure, and the devout moslem, and if you can plainly see, that your neighbour doesn't follow and RESPECT exactly the same pure and lawful strictures of ISLAM, as you do, then ISLAMIC doctrine informs you, that the 'other' person, a self-declared moslem, he, is an apostate, and he, is [also] an infidel. !!! And your 'moslem' neighbour, then becomes a lawful target, for Allah's lawful wrath [at YOUR hands]. Those who do not respect the strictures of ISLAM, as revealed by Allah, are insulting Allah's perfect religion. Kill them! This is how Shia on Sunni atrocities and murders, and how the Sunni on Shia atrocities and murders, are made lawful, to each group. Each sect, regards the other, as being, not moslems. As the 'other', those who are worthy, of being LAWFULLY slaughtered. Because they, are those who are insulting ISLAM's religion, by failing to submit to [the true interpretation of] Allah's laws. . "Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...." Koran 58.22 "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers." Koran 9.23 KILL ALL HYPOCRITES [i.e. those who oppose you, who do not meet Allah's high standard of true belief] "Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-" Koran 4.88, 89 . KILL ALL HYPOCRITES ------- > THE HADITH.... "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD. hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 . ------- > ISLAMIC LAW TEXT.... "Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) " fiqhussunnah/fus1_06 KILL ALL HYPOCRITES ------- > ISLAMIC LAW TEXT.... "Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...." fiqhussunnah/#3.110 n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled." |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Marla on Sep 7th, 2018 at 1:15pm
It's "Muslim," you racist faux-Christo dicksnot.
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Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 7th, 2018 at 2:53pm Marla wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 1:15pm:
Muslims are not a race Marla, there are many Sahih Ahadith that say $$Profit Muhammad was white. What race is that blonde haired blue eyed American Jihad Jane who is in jail on terror charges, did she change her race by reciting the Shahada? The Saudis call themselves moslems |
Title: Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems Post by Cu Chullain on Sep 7th, 2018 at 11:34pm Marla wrote on Sep 7th, 2018 at 1:15pm:
I hope you brought Herb back with you. Just sayin', you would not exist without a bit of dicksnot in yo mama's baby womb. Dicksnot is good shyte. |
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