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Title: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 21st, 2011 at 8:18am
Taxpayers wear burden of 60,000 illegal immigrants
November 21, 2011 The biggest groups of illegals are Chinese, Americans, Malaysians, Britons and South Koreans, documents reveal. AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants on the loose to populate a large regional city. A Herald Sun investigation has found that nearly 60,000 people - one in every 390 - is in the country unlawfully, sparking renewed calls for a crackdown. The 58,400 foreign citizens hiding illegally among us easily outnumber the populations of Mildura or Shepparton - Victoria's fifth and sixth biggest cities. And they dwarf the 4700 legitimate asylum seekers who arrived by boat in 2010-11. Documents released to the Herald Sun under Freedom of Information also reveal the biggest groups of illegals are Chinese, Americans, Malaysians, Britons and South Koreans. More than half have been here for five or more years; 20,000 for a decade or more; and two in three have evaded authorities for more than two years. (The figures do not include visitors who overstay visas by less than a fortnight.) http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/taxpayers-wear-burden-of-60000-illegal-immigrants/story-fn7x8me2-1226200621996 |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by FRED. on Nov 21st, 2011 at 8:28am buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 8:18am:
More than half have been here for five or more years; 20,000 for a decade or more; and two in three have evaded authorities for more than two years. (The figures do not include visitors who overstay visas by less than a fortnight.) ITS NOT A YEARLY FIG " BUT WHO CARES " ;D ;D ;D ;D A DECADE FFS ;D |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:07am
Illegal immigrants have also been involved in drug cartels, sexual slavery, and fraud. Illegals accused of guarding marijuana crops in Melbourne and regional Victoria were among 43 people arrested last year in raids focusing on a $400 million crime syndicate.
A charter flight to deport 76 illegal aliens from Malaysia and Indonesia, busted picking fruit in Mooroopna last year, cost taxpayers $100,000 Australian Human Rights Commission president Catherine Branson, QC, said it was important to remember many more overstayed visas, or arrived by plane and sought asylum, than arrived by boat. "Another misconception is that people who arrive by boat are illegal immigrants. Australia is obliged to assess asylum seekers' claims." There were 10,600 more illegals at June 30 last year than in 2005. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/taxpayers-wear-burden-of-60000-illegal-immigrants/story-fn7x8me2-1226200621996 |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by salad in on Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:20am
Hey crayons, why wouldn't they be here illegally? Illegals have 5 levels of appeal if they face deportation. That's more appeal levels than an Australian worker seeking workers' compensation.
Australia, you're standing in it. |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:21am
Where do they COME from - and in what numbers ?
http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/isotest3/Overstay?:embed=yes&:toolbar=yes&:tabs=no China 7.490 USA 5,010 United Kingdom 3,470 |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by salad in on Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:24am buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:07am:
It is not illegal to seek asylum. It is illegal to arrive in Australia without a visa (Australian Constitution gives our government the power to insist on a visa) |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by bomen_guy on Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:33am salad in wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:24am:
What section does it says in the Constitution that the Government insist on a visa. http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/general/constitution/index.htm |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by longweekend58 on Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:42am bomen_guy wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:33am:
the LAW requires them to have a visa. that means they ARE illegal immigrants otherwise the term has no meaning. They arerive without permission and in defiance of our laws. how on earth does that NOT make them illegal??? You can argue the other aspects if you wish but crayon-boy cant pretend they are NOT illegals. |
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Title: They Are Hiding illegally Amoung Us Post by imcrookonit on Nov 21st, 2011 at 5:58am
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants on the loose to populate a large regional city. :o
A Herald Sun investigation has found that nearly 60,000 people - one in every 390 - is in the country unlawfully, sparking renewed calls for a crackdown. The 58,400 foreign citizens hiding illegally among us easily outnumber the populations of Mildura or Shepparton - Victoria's fifth and sixth biggest cities. :( And they dwarf the 4700 asylum seekers who arrived by boat in 2010-11. Documents released to the Herald Sun under Freedom of Information also reveal the biggest groups of illegals are Chinese, Americans, Malaysians, Britons and South Koreans. More than half have been here for five or more years; 20,000 for a decade or more; and two in three have evaded authorities for more than two years. (The figures do not include visitors who overstay visas by less than a fortnight.) :( Ethnic Communities Council of Victoria chairman Sam Afra said illegal residents attracted little of the outrage associated with boat people, despite taking jobs and housing, using public services, and not paying tax. He said it was far too easy to stay here if you knew how to "work the system". "It's shocking," he said. "To have one in three who have been here more than 10 years (suggests) something's wrong with the system." >:( "Nobody's talking about it. It is a problem, and the question is, don't you think the damage justifies putting more resources in (to find them)?" He said the involvement of illegals in criminal and other dubious activities also sullied the reputations of legal migrants. Jailed terrorist cell leader Abdul Benbrika lived illegally for years after arriving on a visitor's visa in 1989. Three months after marrying in 1992, while still an illegal, he successfully applied to stay, living on welfare with his wife and seven children until his arrest in 2005. Illegal immigrants have also been involved in drug cartels, sexual slavery, and fraud. Illegals accused of guarding marijuana crops in Melbourne and regional Victoria were among 43 people arrested last year in raids focusing on a $400 million crime syndicate. :o A charter flight to deport 76 illegal aliens from Malaysia and Indonesia, busted picking fruit in Mooroopna last year, cost taxpayers $100,000. Australian Human Rights Commission president Catherine Branson, QC, said it was important to remember many more overstayed visas, or arrived by plane and sought asylum, than arrived by boat. "Another misconception is that people who arrive by boat are illegal immigrants. Australia is obliged to assess asylum seekers' claims." There were 10,600 more illegals at June 30 last year than in 2005. :( |
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Title: Re: They Are Hiding illegally Amoung Us Post by helian on Nov 21st, 2011 at 6:11am
And never mind the fact that asylum seekers arriving by boat do so very visibly, do not attempt to evade authorities and declare their reason for arrival immediately.
All the more reason to presume that those arriving by boat are many times more likely to be genuine asylum seekers fleeing persecution than those who arrive on a plane with a visa before disappearing into the community. |
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Title: Re: They Are Hiding illegally Amoung Us Post by pansi1951 on Nov 21st, 2011 at 6:14am
<<A Herald Sun investigation has found that nearly 60,000 people - one in every 390 - is in the country unlawfully>>
........................................................................... WOW!!! I'm impressed. That's very good investigative journalism by The Herald Sun. They have come far, so it could be time to quit getting their stories off facebook and twitter. I wonder why Australians don't complain about a white invasion. The detention centres should be full of Brits and Americans among others. |
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Title: Re: They Are Hiding illegally Amoung Us Post by Verge on Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:24am
So what, process them, and either send them back or keep them here.
I find the who illegals and boat people issue so boring. |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by freediver on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:00am
How do they avoid paying tax?
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by bomen_guy on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:02am longweekend58 wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:42am:
I didn't say it was against the LAW all I said is what section of the Constitution does it says that you need a visa to get into Australia. Anyway once they seek aslyum they are not illegals immigrants. Get it thru your thick bloody head that the only illegals immigrants are people that over stay their visa. Boofhead said that it is in the Constitution so can you point me to the section it is in O GREAT ONE. You seem to know every bloody thing else |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:12am
Immigration, illegal aliens and refugees is NOT a "political issue" ?
... but the sale price of electricity by private companies IS ? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1321825951 |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by Dnarever on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:22am freediver wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:00am:
They fill in the Illegal residents GST and PAYE exemption form? |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by salad in on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:25am bomen_guy wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:33am:
The section that grants the power to the elected government to establish laws etc. One of those laws would be the one dealing with the acceptable method of arriving in Oz. Quote:
Ring a bell? |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by bomen_guy on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:34am salad in wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:25am:
It says that the Government can make laws for all Australia & Australians it doesn't not say what the law should be |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by Dnarever on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:36am longweekend58 wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 9:42am:
It is not illegal to go to any country which supports The United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and request asylum. Once an asylum seeker has been processed they can then either be classified as a genuine refugee (about 98%) or to be an illegal alien (E.T.). |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by bomen_guy on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:41am buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:12am:
buzz notice as soon as someone from the left starts a thread on politics or politicans on the politicans suck board that longy moves it. I bet if someone from the right starts a thread call "The sex life of the South Africa tadpole." on politicans sucks board longy would keep it there. |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by longweekend58 on Nov 21st, 2011 at 11:23am bomen_guy wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:02am:
the HINT I agave you is that is isnt a constituional requirement but a legislative one. and they ARE illegal immigrants. you torture the meaning of the words trying to get the meaning you want. epic fail. |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by longweekend58 on Nov 21st, 2011 at 11:26am bomen_guy wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:41am:
you are getting a little paranoid there bomen... I know paranoia is a leftie rite of passage but try and keep it under control. |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by bomen_guy on Nov 21st, 2011 at 11:39am longweekend58 wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 11:23am:
Once they seek aslyum they are not illegals immigrants, but that doesn't fit into your bashing of aslyum seekers does it? When do boat people under Australia law stop become illegals immigrants and become aslyum seekers? It is the same as someone getting off a plane with a current visa and asking for aslyum. They would of have to lie to get their visa cause they are ask are they going to seek aslyum while in Australia Now tell us what is the different of the two. One come without a visa by boat the other one come by plane with a visa under false misrepresentation. |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by bomen_guy on Nov 21st, 2011 at 11:44am longweekend58 wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 11:26am:
I am not getting paranoid I just want answers. Why did you move this thread from politicans sucks when it is to do with politics and you leave a thread on politicans sucks that has nothing to do with politics or politicans? |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 21st, 2011 at 2:05pm freediver wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:00am:
They CAN'T get tax file numbers - so they work in the cash, black market economy - for under award rates Hospitality is FULL of then |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 21st, 2011 at 2:16pm bomen_guy wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 10:41am:
Yes, it's VERY obvious A good moderator, like a good speaker of the house, should be of an impartial nature in these decision - regardless of their "political bent" I WARNED that LW would be a MASSIVE FAILURE on this front - on day one He has ALSO introduced censorship on "blasphemy" - which has not been a crime in this free land in over a century Yet overlooks "inciting racial hatred" - which IS a crime FAIL FAIL |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by pansi1951 on Nov 21st, 2011 at 2:25pm
Buzz<<Immigration, illegal aliens and refugees is NOT a "political issue" ?
... but the sale price of electricity by private companies IS ?>> ......................................................................................... It makes longy and his right-wing hangers on embarrassed that they make such a fuss about boat people. They have no come back here so he moves the thread to a less relevant area. It's all in the wording of the thread. Let's try: Australian politicians allow illegals |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by longweekend58 on Nov 21st, 2011 at 3:56pm buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 2:16pm:
and yet CRAYON-BOY, ive not banned anyone for blasphemy. your problem - among many - is that you are an angry little git who cant cope with opinions and beliefs you dont subscribe to. you are shallow and truly pathetic - and get worse every day. |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by it_is_the_truth on Nov 21st, 2011 at 4:05pm buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 2:16pm:
It would be remiss of me to not point out that the signature at the bottom of your every post could be interpreted as inciting religious hatred. Let's just replace a coupla words shall we: I like your basketball, but I do not like your black people. |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by longweekend58 on Nov 21st, 2011 at 4:19pm ... wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 4:05pm:
that would be an unreasonable interpretation, but 'unreasonable' is the standard mostly used. |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by it_is_the_truth on Nov 21st, 2011 at 4:22pm longweekend58 wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 4:19pm:
Well that's the thing with the egalitarian religion - the standards should be employed across the board or not at all, lest the extent of their hypocrisy reveal itself. |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 22nd, 2011 at 7:54pm buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 22nd, 2011 at 7:49pm:
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by Andrei.Hicks on Nov 22nd, 2011 at 7:57pm buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 2:16pm:
Yet to see that happen. This is a lie. |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 23rd, 2011 at 2:15am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 22nd, 2011 at 7:57pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 21st, 2011 at 8:23pm:
One of your MILDER racist comments ( ... just the first I found) |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 23rd, 2011 at 5:56pm
Or THIS sort of stuff ...
FriYAY wrote on Nov 23rd, 2011 at 9:15am:
... ALSO ignored |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by Annie Anthrax on Nov 23rd, 2011 at 5:59pm
FriYay knows no other way to argue.
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by pansi1951 on Nov 23rd, 2011 at 6:48pm buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 23rd, 2011 at 2:15am:
Buzz....I use that one of andrei's on my signature so we all know who the garbage is. FriYaY is a troll, it's never had an intelligent thing to say yet. We live in hope. |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by Annie Anthrax on Nov 23rd, 2011 at 6:50pm
I didn't even realise Andrei owned a boat.
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by Sprintcyclist on Nov 23rd, 2011 at 7:31pm buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 23rd, 2011 at 2:15am:
leftards relate to human garbage, they are kissing cousins |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by jame-e on Nov 23rd, 2011 at 8:45pm
Australians are fed up with paying for anything.
Why so surprised? |
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Title: Re: Australians fed up with paying for illegals Post by circle on Nov 23rd, 2011 at 10:05pm
These guys actually work and since they're "illegal" can't access any social services.I have no problem with them.
Asylum seekers exploit Medicare and welfare benefits. I dislike that immensely. |
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