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Title: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 7th, 2011 at 9:44am Quote:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/dutch-radical-gets-lib-backing-20110906-1jw01.html |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by WESLEY.PIPES on Sep 7th, 2011 at 9:51am
Sit back and watch as the left show their true colours. We can expect a call for him to be denied a visa as well as numerous threats of violence to him and anyone with any connection to him.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 7th, 2011 at 10:09am |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 7th, 2011 at 7:19pm Quote:
Read more here- http://digitaljournal.com/article/268287 The false prophet Mohammad had white skin muslims have been conned by a white con man perhaps its best not to tell them or the islamic apologists this they might call you a racist. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Muhammad%27s_White_Complexion |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by falah on Sep 7th, 2011 at 9:20pm
...Norwegian gunman Anders Breivik mentioned Mr Wilders 30 times in his manifesto. ...
...It is understood some moderate Coalition MPs renewed calls for the outspoken senator to be dumped from the frontbench. He is parliamentary secretary to Mr Abbott. One Liberal said sacking him would make him a martyr and said it would be better if he were dumped at the end of the year when Mr Abbott is expected to undertake a minor frontbench reshuffle. ''Cory has crossed the line,'' the MP said. Labor backbencher Rob Mitchell said: ''If Senator Bernardi idolises this man, which it seems he does, he can go sit in that gutter with Geert and together they can fantasise about spreading their hate and loathing where it belongs.'' Greens multicultural spokesman Richard di Natale said that while his party was often called extremist, ''it is pretty clear who the extremists are in Australian politics''. Islamic Council of Victoria secretary Sherene Hassan said it was deplorable that an elected politician from a major political party was cosying up to the European far right. ''Especially given the tragic terrorist attacks that took place in Norway recently. Is this the future direction of the Liberal Party?'' she said. http://www.theage.com.au/national/dutch-radical-gets-lib-backing-20110906-1jw01.html |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 7th, 2011 at 9:48pm wilders does not advocate violence. a jihad is not in his writings he has not beheaded anyone nor congratulted others on political assassinations on his behalf. all these things moh did. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by falah on Sep 7th, 2011 at 9:58pm
Wilders advocates hate.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 7th, 2011 at 10:20pm moh was a mass murderer, he advocated murder |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by falah on Sep 8th, 2011 at 3:31am
What is Jihad and laws of war in Islam?
1- What is Jihad? Jihad means struggling in the name of God Almighty. Jihad doesn't always mean a war or battle. Any mean for spreading Islam and the Truth, or to fight for what is right and condemn what is wrong (such as fighting the bad and helping the oppressed even if they were not Muslims) are considered Jihad. Islam is not a religion of arms and swords! When God Almighty revealed the Quran to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, and Muhammad became the Messenger of GOD Almighty, Muhammad had to spread Islam to 365 Pagan Arab Tribes. These tribes showed so much hostility toward the Muslims and Islam, and have imposed so many battles against the Muslims. Later, when Islam was the religion of what we call today Saudi Arabia, and the 365 Pagan Arab tribes mostly converted to Islam, the Muslims had to yet face another type of challenge. The Nuclear Soviet Union and the United States of America of our days were the Great Empires of the Christian Romans and the Pagan Persians. If you know geography and history well enough, then you would see that the Muslims were trapped between those two big Super Powers. Hostility and Battles from those two Empires were imposed upon the Muslims. For instance, when our Prophet peace be upon him sent his messenger to "Kisrah", the Emperor of Persia, introducing Islam to him, Kisrah ordered for the Muslims' Messenger to be executed! Back then, like today, this was considered a coward act. It was the Persians who showed the hostility toward the Muslims and declared the many battles against Islam. The Christian Romans weren't any better. For instance, in one of their many battles against the Muslims is when they saw the threat to their religion in the Middle East, the King "Herucl", sent out an army of 100,000 men and ordered them to go to "Madina" in what we call today Saudi Arabia to destroy Islam once and for all. The Muslims were not stable yet at that time, and they only sent out an army of 3,000 men at that time to drive the Christian Romans away from Madina. The battle was named "The battle of Mo'ta" and it took place in Mo'ta, Jordan today. The Muslims' plan was to meet the Christian Romans far away from Madina, and to have them stray away from Madina. The army of 3,000 men was successful enough to fight the Christian Romans for few days and then to pull away from the battle and headed South of Jordan. The Romans strayed away from Madina and the small army of the Muslims was able to run away through the mountains. More than half of the 3,000 Muslims however were killed in this operation. The point is that Islam didn't spread by sword with much choice. The wars were imposed upon the Muslims. The Muslims didn't ask for those wars. Islam is a Religion of Love and Peace and Forgiveness. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him never took any personal revenge from anyone. In regards to Jihad and fighting the hostile enemy, God Almighty Made it crystal clear in the Quran about being peaceful to ordinary and peaceful non-Muslims, and being very hostile to the hostile enemy: "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Quran, 2:190)" "On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Quran, 5:32)" "Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. (The Quran, 25:68-69)" "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Quran, 8:61)" "If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (The Quran, 5:28)" "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Quran, 8:61)" "If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (The Quran, 5:28)" "God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Quran, 60:8)" "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Quran 2:193)" "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things. (The Quran, 2:256)" |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by falah on Sep 8th, 2011 at 3:36am
The reason for "Jihad" verses:
The so-called "Jihad" verses came for specific times and places. They don't apply for all times and everybody! I can't slay you, a non-Muslim, just because you're not a Muslim. The pagan Arabs were very hostile people and only knew the sword as an answer. Many wars were imposed upon the Muslims, and thus, it is only normal and natural to find Noble Verses that deal with these specific hostile situations. But the Message of the Quran is PEACE, as clearly proven in verses 2:190, 8:61 and 5:28 above. The laws of war in Islam: "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Quran, 2:190)" Fighting in the cause of GOD Almighty those who fight us is what "Jihad" is all about. I can't go and kill a non-Muslim just because he is a non-Muslim. That is absolutely forbidden in Islam: "...if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people...(Quran 5:32)" "Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. (The Quran, 25:68-69)" "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Quran, 8:61)" "Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If God had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then God Hath opened no way for you (to war against them). (The Quran, 4:90)" "How can there be a league, before God and His prophet, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God doth love the righteous. (The Quran, 9:7)" 3- The treatment of prisoners of war in Islam: Please visit Can Muslims torture prisoners of war? http://www.answering-christianity.com/prisoners_of_war.htm 4- Did Islam spread by the sword? If so, was that Jihad? Please visit Why did Muhammad take up arms and Christ didn't? Why did Islam spread by the sword if it were indeed a Religion of Truth, and Christianity didn't? Jesus killed his enemies. The Muslims did not start any battle with anyone. It was the infidels from the 365 Arab Pagan tribes, and later the Persian and Roman Empires who waged wars against the Muslims. So, yes, since the Muslims were not the aggressors, then this was Jihad; "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)" |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by corporate_whitey on Sep 8th, 2011 at 5:19am
All religion sucks - Christianity cannot ride its sorry ass to glory on the rotting carcass of Islam, it is NO BETTER.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by corporate_whitey on Sep 8th, 2011 at 5:24am
Stand up for secular democracy and fight the religious bigots like Wilders and Osama Bin Laden - two peas in a pod.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 8th, 2011 at 8:21am corporate_whitey wrote on Sep 8th, 2011 at 5:24am:
A secular democratic capitalist society is the best design we have found so far. The best countries have all been secular democratic capitalist . religion has no part in politics |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 8th, 2011 at 9:24am falah wrote on Sep 8th, 2011 at 3:31am:
Was it Allah who imposed these wars upon the muslims? Quran 4:82- Quote:
http://quran.com/4/82 The Quran is from Allah according to muslims therefore sura 9:5 is from Allah- Quran 9:5 Quote:
http://quran.com/9/5 If we look at 4:82 it says there will be much contradiction if it was from any other than Allah- the quran is riddled with contradictions. Allah demands 1/5 of all war booty in sura 8:41,Why does Allah need 1/5 of all war booty? Quote:
http://quran.com/8/41 Falah why do you take quran 5;32 out of context? Does Quran 5:32 apply to muslims or jews? Since when did muslims become known as "The children of Israel"? Please answer these questions Falah... Quote:
How does this apply to muslims falah? http://quran.com/5/32 If there is no compulsion in religion why does Islam have the death penalty for apostasy? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 8th, 2011 at 9:35am falah wrote on Sep 8th, 2011 at 3:36am:
There you go taking quran 5;32 out of context again in a pathetic attempt to deceive the non muslims. Quote:
Falah when did muslims become known as the children of israel? does this verse apply to jews or muslims? Why are you quoting a verse that applies to jews and not muslims? http://quran.com/5/32 What about the Banu Mustaliq your Islamic sources say that was a surprise attack. The battle of lepanto saw an invading Islamic army defeated,muslims started that one you liar. I started a thread on Ibn Nuhaas he wrote the book of Jihad wich cites the quran and hadith for references. You can download it along with Awlaki's 44 ways to support jihad here- http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295682624 |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 8th, 2011 at 9:35am Quote:
had moh invented this one before he said to those hundreds of jews "I'll behead you ALL unless you become muslims " ? rather a enticement, I would think. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 8th, 2011 at 9:43am Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 8th, 2011 at 9:35am:
Its funny how muslims claim there is no compulsion in religion yet Islam has the death penalty for those who want to leave. Check out this thread for Lestat using the death penalty for treason to justify the death penalty for apostasy- http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1311317279 |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by falah on Sep 8th, 2011 at 9:45am
What you don't mention is that Jews attacked Muslims first in Madina.
A Muslim woman was sexually attacked by a Jew in the Jewish market of Madina. A Muslim who saw the sexual assault was infuriated and killed the Jew on the spot. Scores of Jews then attacked and killed the Muslim. It was at this point that Jews were expelled from the city - not killed. Later wars were fought against Jewish tribes in the region after those Jewish tribes had broken peace treaties and acted treacherously towards Muslims. Prophet Muhammed was killed by a Jew, and if you don't believe that, just look at how Jews treated over prophets like Jesus and john the Baptist. May God's peace and blessing be upon the last of the prophets. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 8th, 2011 at 9:51am
Falah can you answer why you take quran 5/32 out of context?
Since when did muslims become known as "The children of Israel"? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 8th, 2011 at 9:54am Quote:
compulsion to a religion or not ? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by falah on Sep 8th, 2011 at 10:50am Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8th, 2011 at 9:51am:
It is not taken out of context. The verse comes at the end of a series of verses which warn against committing murder: 27. And recite to them the story of the two sons of Adam (Abel and Cain) in truth; when each offered a sacrifice (to God), it was accepted from the one but not from the other. The latter said to the former: "I will surely kill you. " The former said: "Verily, God accepts only from those who are the pious ones." 28. "If you do stretch your hand against me to kill me, I shall never stretch my hand against you to kill you, for I fear God; the Master of the Universe." 29. "Verily, I intend to let you draw my sin on yourself as well as yours, then you will be one of the dwellers of the Fire, and that is the recompense of the oppressive wrong-doers." 30. So the desires of the other (latter one) encouraged him and made fair-seeming to him the murder of his brother; he murdered him and became one of the losers. 31. Then God sent a crow who scratched the ground to show him to hide the dead body of his brother (through burial). He (the murderer) said: "Woe to me! Am I not even able to be as this crow and to hide the dead body of my brother?" Then he became one of those who regretted. 32. Because of that We ordained for the Tribes of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our (prophetic) messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the boundaries (of the law) (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by God by committing the major sins) in the land!. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 8th, 2011 at 10:53am falah wrote on Sep 8th, 2011 at 9:45am:
How did the Banu Qurayza attack the muslims they protected Mohammad and his band of thieves from the Meccan soldiers who wanted his ass for robbing the trade caravns that passed between syria and arabia? The Meccans went home because the Banu Qurayza would not let them in to get Mohammad. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Genocide_of_Banu_Qurayza Sahih Muslim book 19 number 4292- Sahih Bukhari vol 3 number 717 says the same thing! Quote:
Thats right Mohammad launched a surprise attack against the Banu Mustaliq while they were grazing their cattle. They killed any man that tried to fight in self defence they took the women and children as war booty. Juwariya was the chief's daughter whose husband was killed by muslims on that day and Mohammad married her that night. Muslims will say Mo was a kind man who married widows! (after he killed their husbands..lol) Falah do you think Safiyya consented to marry mohammad on the same day her husband was killed by muslims who were raping pillaging and plundering the wealth of her tribe? Did Mohammad order the torture of Safiyyas husband? Did muslims light a fire of flint and steel on his chest to obtain the knowledge of where the tribes wealth was hidden before cutting his head off? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 8th, 2011 at 10:59am my money is that falah will not answer directly barons or my questions. Quote:
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 8th, 2011 at 10:59am falah wrote on Sep 8th, 2011 at 10:50am:
Since when did muslims become known as the children of Israel Falah? Of course 5/33 does apply to muslims Geert better watch out. http://quran.com/5/33 |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 8th, 2011 at 11:48am When he [Muhammad] asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr bin al-Awwam, “Torture him until you extract what he has.” So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad bin Maslama and he struck off his head.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 764) |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Deathridesahorse on Sep 8th, 2011 at 5:26pm
RACISM= GREED= FALSE ECONOMICS= 9-11!
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by freediver on Sep 9th, 2011 at 8:38pm
There was a story on TV about him explaining how he is standing up for Dutch values like personal freedom. The story also said he wants to ban the burka.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Grey on Sep 9th, 2011 at 9:33pm corporate_whitey wrote on Sep 8th, 2011 at 5:24am:
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Grey on Sep 9th, 2011 at 9:40pm
Traditional Beduin performed Sephardim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhhqmYVK3-o |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 9th, 2011 at 9:44pm Grey wrote on Sep 9th, 2011 at 9:33pm:
what infants. In what country is there a secular democracy ? the netherlands (holland), iran or saudi arabia ? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Grey on Sep 9th, 2011 at 10:01pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 9th, 2011 at 9:44pm:
Iran had a secular, if oppressive, regime before the 1978 revolution. The revolution was largely led by liberal secularists who totally misjudged the fundamentalist nature of Ayatollah Khomeni. many expect Iran to return to secularism in the not too distant future. Saudi Arabia is the most backward, oppressive, patriarchal nest of vipers on the planet. It ought to head any list for regime change. Holland is a secular democracy and Git 'Captain Peroxide' Wilders is the greatest threat to that secular democracy. And you are very stupid. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 9th, 2011 at 10:14pm if it is oppressive, I assume it is not a democracy. you did not define this. but, you say, holland is the only secular democracy there. thanks. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 9th, 2011 at 10:20pm Oh - what about yeman, syria or denmark , or sweden ?? hahahahahhaha FKWT |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by nairbe on Sep 12th, 2011 at 8:17pm
Spin, your life must be a painful and black place to be, with enemies closing in everywhere and only hate in your heart. Beware Spin the black dog is haunting you, you need to find life again and remember what it is.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Sep 13th, 2011 at 11:43am falah wrote on Sep 7th, 2011 at 9:58pm:
Nothing that has been published so far about the man indicates that. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by falah on Sep 14th, 2011 at 10:26am
Geert Wilders is just like hitler with his ideas about deporting Muslims very much like Nazi ideas about deporting Jews:
"I hate Islam"... ...he wants the ...Koran outlawed in Holland, the constitution rewritten to make that possible, all immigration from Muslim countries halted, Muslim immigrants paid to leave ...'I have a problem with Islamic tradition, culture, ideology ..."no more mosques, no more Islamic schools, no more imams" ..."I hate their book and their ideology" http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/17/netherlands.islam |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Sep 14th, 2011 at 10:35am falah wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 10:26am:
So?? You don't hate Zionism? You bvggers talk as if Islam was above reproach and criticism and thinking it abhorrent was somehow not allowed. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by falah on Sep 14th, 2011 at 10:38am Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 9th, 2011 at 9:44pm:
Ahh...secular democracy! It has given the world leaders such as Adolf Hitler, Mussolini, George W Bush, Ariel Sharon and Benjamin Netanyahu. Secularism has also produced Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. By its fruits, shall ye know the tree...Nazism, Fascism, Communism - secularism. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 14th, 2011 at 11:02am Soren wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 10:35am:
yes, that's the islamic mindset. that's why they are 1400 years behind secular democratic capitalist societies. they are an albatross tied around the worlds neck |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Sep 14th, 2011 at 11:38am Soren wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 10:35am:
My dear good fellow, I do not mind if you criticise the religion of the prophet, peace be upon him, but it is most unfair that you make war with bvggers. As a proud Pakistani, I can assure you that I find this most offensive. You must not watch cricket or engage in any of the other marvellous benefits of our fine commonwealth of nations. This is very sad. We also have secular democracy, a fine textile industry, tea, opium, and many other wonderful things bestowed upon us by our beloved Mother England. Kindly refrain from your lowly slurs on our fine British traditions of bvggery. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by falah on Sep 14th, 2011 at 11:50am Soren wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 10:35am:
What is meant by Zionism? If you mean stealing land, then yes I hate stealing. If you mean oppression of Muslims and Christians in Palestine, then yes, I hate oppression. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 14th, 2011 at 12:01pm zions = jews. the people moh was fond of beheading or having assassainated while they were sleeping. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 14th, 2011 at 12:59pm falah wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 10:26am:
Hitler slaughtered the jews which is why mein Kampf is a big seller in the Islamic world,Yadda might post some pictures of muslims praising hitler. Geert is on the right track,Islamic countries outlaw the bible he outlaws Islam although the whingeing from the hypocrite muslims with their double standards is to be expected. Did you read the Al Qaradhawi fatwa falah? Quote:
Does this mean muslims who cannot practice Islam because it is illegal must emigrate to a land where they can be muslims? Quote:
http://m.memri.org/14499/show/66206a2cc589cfef3e40e1ffdce4dca3&t=20320d97cb30b6845cb6422bedb5dfbe Does he use a verse from the quran telling muslims to emigrate if they cannot practice Islam falah? Thats a simple solution ;D |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Sep 14th, 2011 at 1:57pm Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 12:59pm:
Baron, I did post some images here, with comments.... "Jews kill 12 protesters" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1305553526/41#41 |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by falah on Sep 14th, 2011 at 3:13pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 12:01pm:
Zion is a name used to refer to Jerusalem. Zionism is the plot by jewish extremists to steal the land around Jerusalem. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by falah on Sep 14th, 2011 at 3:18pm Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 12:59pm:
I have been to Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Malaysia and Indonesia. Never saw Mein Kampf for sale in any of those countries. The German government has reserved the rights to the book so I don't know how you could buy it anywhere. I have seen Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice for sale in Australia - a story about a greedy Jew named Shylock who wants to cut a Christian up and take a pound of flesh out of his chest - hence the saying "pound of flesh". |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Sep 14th, 2011 at 3:24pm falah wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 11:50am:
Look at it as being paid back in your own coin: Muslims overran all the so-called 'Muslim lands', conquered, killed and subjugated all the inhabitants. Now the slipper is on the other foot. So don't be so predicatbly hypochritical. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Sep 14th, 2011 at 3:33pm falah wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 3:13pm:
All of you anti-Zionists..... n.b. The chief 'Zionist', is the God of Israel. 1 Kings 8:1 Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto king Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion. Psalms 129:4 The LORD is righteous: he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked. 5 Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion. Psalms 132:13 For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. Psalms 137:5 If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning. 6 If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy. 7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof. Isaiah 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times. 32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it. Isaiah 29:7 And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision. 8 It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty: or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite: so shall the multitude of all the nations be, that fight against mount Zion. Ariel = Jerusalem = Zion Isaiah 34:1 Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. 2 For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. 3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. 4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. 5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment. 6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea. 7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. 8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. There are many more bible verses about Zion. +++ Also, in the Bible are verses about the modern day 'Palestinians'.... Idumea = = Edom = = Jordan = = 'Palestinians' Regards the 'Palestinians', see also, Pslams 83 and Ezekiel 35 Those who have the spirit of the Philistines, are those, who believe that they can fight against God. [search also for the words, Philistia, Palestina] These are wilful people, wilful souls, ........they are 'rightly guided' by the spirits who are in rebellion against the creator God. The God of Israel has said that he will draw in his enemies, to finally destroy them. Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: 10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. 11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD. 12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. 13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. 2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Sep 14th, 2011 at 4:00pm falah wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 3:13pm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ0oCmDXrVk |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Sep 14th, 2011 at 4:03pm falah wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 3:18pm:
Oddly enough, you see it on every book stand in India. I have no idea why. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 14th, 2011 at 5:38pm falah wrote on Sep 14th, 2011 at 3:18pm:
Moral clarity from your muslim sisters falah? falah- do you believe that rocks and trees will one day grow vocal chords and speak up if a jew hides behind them? Egyptian cleric Muhammad Hussein Ya'qub says the jews are the eternal enemy of muslims. They are enemies not because they occupied Palestine,they would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing As we can see there is a lot of hate preaching in Islam towards the jews. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8dhrzQCHY |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Sep 15th, 2011 at 4:41pm
My friends, I have it on reliable informations that Geert Wilders is a Muslim in disguise. My sources, as you say, are impeccable.
Note the colour of this man's skin. Observe his tinted hair, like a lady in disguise. He carries prayer beads in his pocket and does his business on a shar'iah credit card. Yes, my friends, Mr Gilders is plotting to take over das welt for Islam. He pretends he is against the Muslims. He is very clever man! When he meets Corey Bernaldi, you will see. He will make a spell on this man and he will speak in the tongue of Araby. It is an unmistakable truth, friends. Geert Wilders is a Muslims. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Imperium II on Sep 15th, 2011 at 4:47pm
unless you can prove your source is alan jones i have no reason to believe what you say karnal
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Sep 16th, 2011 at 1:07pm
My frien, this is good thinkings. We are fortunate to live in a demokracy - like Pakistan, like Mother England, like 2GB, and like Holland too if we listen to this man, Mr Wilders, who is spreading his Muslim spells throughout all Europe.
Yes, my m8, what the Ottomans could not achieve from without, this man shall try from within. He is good Christian man? Kabesh! His hairs are tinted, his face tanned. The prophecy is he will bring tinted and tanned together in one Islamic hotbed of conspiracy and intrigue, unlike anything seen since the great Warner Brothers film, Tangiers, the film that inspired Casablanca. Yes, my friends, it is the usual suspects at work again. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Sep 16th, 2011 at 1:10pm
Going off on tangiers as usual...
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Sep 16th, 2011 at 1:20pm
This is because you do not know. You are innocent, my dear. How could you know? You have no source.
The prophecy also says this Mr Geerty will reimpregnate Virgin Maary, who will give birth to the New World. All shall return. Jesus, Muhammed (PBUH), Lucifer, Gabriel. All shall live in peace. Many souls shall not survive, dear. You should give your life to Gud. It is time. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by pansi1951 on Sep 16th, 2011 at 2:07pm
Karnal it is bad thing you have blew his cover now all will know this Geert is Muslim woman.
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3WQRBGfA511gGgtVQ6CGQ0XLFy5CaNIiTMW9UQvcnzVbCme3V |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Sep 16th, 2011 at 4:41pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 16th, 2011 at 2:07pm:
Thank you for confirming my evidence, beloved. We have all seen Mr Geerty in bathroom for the ladies. Now we see him in hijab in what looks like Dutch parliament. I think he will unite the ladymen also, my friend. Many of these will soon be uncovered. It is the Geerty prophecy, I can now tell. Queen Lillibet, Angela Merkel, some expat Danish multiculturalists, all. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by pansi1951 on Sep 16th, 2011 at 5:08pm
Sprung! Geert Widers posing as a Zionist Jew. A man of many faces, not to be trusted. What next Geert McWilders?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMZw49IIqZXYDCRvns6uBU_xmf7pNBB95dVYBsdxKbvb50lu0U |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by pansi1951 on Sep 16th, 2011 at 5:14pm
It's McGerty
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3I4iauE5DIVJnFEK5CZYl9CAq-iWiFQ_gjwL4XOITLMacYDMo3g |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Kat on Sep 16th, 2011 at 9:57pm Soren wrote on Sep 16th, 2011 at 1:10pm:
Oh, good one, Soren....:-) |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Sep 17th, 2011 at 1:13pm
Friday, 16 September 2011
Netherlands to ban the burka From The Telegraph (London) The Dutch government will agree to introduce a ban on Friday making the Netherlands the third country in Europe to prohibit the burka, behind France and Belgium. Women caught wearing a burka in public, on the streets, public transport and in schools or hospitals will be fined £330. There will be exemptions for mosques, or other religious buildings and for foreign women travelling through the transit lounges of international Dutch airports. Cabinet ministers will justify the ban with the argument that the burka does “not fit into our open society and women must participate fully.”The Dutch parliament was the first in Europe to demand a burka ban in 2005 after voting on a proposal tabled by Geert Wilders, at the start of his career as an anti-Islam politician. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/8765673/Netherlands-to-ban-the-burka.html |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Sep 17th, 2011 at 4:56pm Soren wrote on Sep 17th, 2011 at 1:13pm:
This is good thinkings, my dear. It is just the start. Soon, Mr Geerty will ban burqa everywhere. If you wish to cover your soft hairs and lovey face, dear, you will need to wear wig, scarf and dark glasses like Jackie O. Mr Geerty favours this look also, when he travels. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Sep 18th, 2011 at 1:37pm Karnal wrote on Sep 17th, 2011 at 4:56pm:
Indeed, thanks to the grizzled, bearded monsters. They would kill anyone who laughs at them. SO now anyone who has a sense of humour must go incognito. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by hawil on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:29pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 8th, 2011 at 8:21am:
A demcrati capitalist society is a contraction in terms, because Democracy is defined as this: Democracy: a state of society characterized by recognition of equality of rights and privileges for all people. political. social or legal equality Therefore as far as capitalistic society is better described as plutocratic. Wilders may be right in one way, but when his ideas are used by extremist, it can become dangerous, and after all, he is a politician, who will use the extreme views for his own advantage. I think, that people who migrate to other countries, should adopt the culture and habits, of the new new country, as well learning the language, although some of the good habits of the migrants will benefit the country where they migrate to. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by abu_rashid on Sep 18th, 2011 at 8:53pm
http://blootstellen.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/1196718810_346811.jpg?w=585&h=442
Dirty Geerty the hatemonger. What an atrocious looking creature, I implore the government not to let this disgusting sight enter our beloved country. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 18th, 2011 at 10:01pm gosh , a piccie of someone pullng a face. that indicates zero tell us about aisha |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by abu_rashid on Sep 19th, 2011 at 6:15am
btw that's how I imagine you looking sprint, pretty much like that. All angry and ready to insert a pen into your nose at any moment.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Sep 19th, 2011 at 11:31am abu_rashid wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 8:53pm:
You would have difficulty in finding any literature where this man has promoted hate abu. It doesn't exist. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Sep 19th, 2011 at 1:00pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 10:01pm:
No, my friend, Mr Geerty is making a spell. He is listening to a Dutch parliamentarian discuss "Holland's rich history of humanist pluralism". Mr Geerty does not like this, and is trying to turn the parliamentarian into a pig. The parliamentarian is very clever. He is able to deflect this spell. If the wind changes, friends, it will be most unfortunate for Mr Geerty. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by pansi1951 on Sep 19th, 2011 at 3:26pm
geerty he has the fetish alright he likes to sniff the ink.
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcD5GshD-miS6UyFf1q88SeZ0X6LDrQg1BY6U7WGIZ92dWoNUD |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Sep 19th, 2011 at 3:49pm
This is very Dutch fetish, my friend. Sometimes there is Dutch oven in the parliament, where each man tries to make the smell. It is very uncivilized, friends.
Mr Geerty is most fond of cheese. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by pansi1951 on Sep 19th, 2011 at 5:52pm
Mr Mc Geerty say blessed are the Jewish cheesemakers and he send the prayer up please God you must curse the cheese of the Muslims because I don't like them and my face goes contorted when I see them in my country.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6iO7wP0QLKSRKzliekXYmJK2LKYTC7ehgVd6PXVbZ-P-IZzqp |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Sep 19th, 2011 at 8:46pm
Oh, yes, of course, a fundamentalist Chrsitian/Jewish conspiracy, as always.
http://bigeyedeer.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/cheeses.jpg?w=630&h=457 |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Sep 20th, 2011 at 12:44pm Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2011 at 8:46pm:
No, my dear, it is fundamentalist Christian/Jewish/Muslim conspiracy. All. It is the End Times, as prophecised. Mr Geerty make the cheese go sour with his black magic. Kabesh, it is no good. Muslims pray to Allah, Christian to Jesus, Jew to Jehova. All pray to one God. This is the only way, my darling. You must pray to God for salvation. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Sep 21st, 2011 at 10:06am
If you identify the terrorists as Muslims, then the terrorists win.
People sometimes ask me why Muslims kill people, and I tell them that these people are not real Muslims. The Prophet Mohammed (FBUH) taught peace, love and understanding. But these are extremists, just like there are extremists among Christians and Jews who behead people. When you call Muslim terrorists 'Muslim' then you're giving them what they want. Al-Qaeda is thrilled when you identify them as Muslim terrorists. If you called them Christians or Jews, it would really upset them. And if you called them Jewish dogs, that would really outrage them. The best way to defeat the terrorists is not to identify them as Muslims at all. And ignore them. Just pretend they don't exist and go on with your lives. After a while they'll get tired of killing people and leave... or take over the country." This ridiculous argument is absurdly convincing to politicians and law enforcement who sagely nod their heads. If we took it seriously, then we shouldn't have called Communists, Communists, because it's what they wanted to identified as. Or call any ideology by its name. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 21st, 2011 at 10:54am abu_rashid wrote on Sep 19th, 2011 at 6:15am:
oh, at first i thought you were gong to say "........All angry and ready to insert your penis into a child or one of many sex slaves......" - JUST LIKE MOH DID. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by toots on Sep 21st, 2011 at 11:45am
I wonder if someone much smarter than me can ponder this question for me. There are many Lebanese in Australia but the majority are Christians, not Muslims. How come Christian Lebanese fit so well into our culture, they are lovely people - never one bit of trouble and they quickly become Aussiefied. But unfortunately we can't say the same for the followers of Islam. They deliberately set themselves apart by wearing ugly beards and funny clothes. How come religion can make such a difference?
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 21st, 2011 at 11:56am cause a muslims self identity IS muslim. There is nothing about him that is not about islam. islam controls eveything of a muslims life . islam is a political will christians have many other aspects to their life. Christianity is moreso a personal thing, it is non-political. We don't "HAVE" to wear certain clothes, eat or not eat certain foods, drink or not drink certain drinks. We can be nudists and be christians. SO christians can fit in anywhere without having to change people around them. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by toots on Sep 21st, 2011 at 12:42pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 11:56am:
Good point, I guess you are saying that as a Muslim, you have to reject our ways, but they still want to come here, knowing what our ways are and then never stop whinging about it once they get here. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Sep 21st, 2011 at 12:46pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 11:56am:
And Muslims? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Sep 21st, 2011 at 1:01pm Karnal wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 12:46pm:
If you identify the terrorists as Muslims, then the terrorists win. People sometimes ask me why Muslims kill people, and I tell them that these people are not real Muslims. The Prophet Mohammed (FBUH) taught peace, love and understanding. But these are extremists, just like there are extremists among Christians and Jews who behead people. When you call Muslim terrorists 'Muslim' then you're giving them what they want. Al-Qaeda is thrilled when you identify them as Muslim terrorists. If you called them Christians or Jews, it would really upset them. And if you called them Jewish dogs, that would really outrage them. The best way to defeat the terrorists is not to identify them as Muslims at all. And ignore them. Just pretend they don't exist and go on with your lives. After a while they'll get tired of killing people and leave... or take over the country." This ridiculous argument is absurdly convincing to politicians and law enforcement who sagely nod their heads. If we took it seriously, then we shouldn't have called Communists, Communists, because it's what they wanted to identified as. Or call any ideology by its name. Sultan Knish ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Sep 21st, 2011 at 1:31pm
My dear, there are Muslim nudists, also. There are Muslims who drink, eat the foods, wear cloth, pray, don't pray, all.
Same with Jew. How many Jews you know who walk around with black hat, curls, and won't shake your hand because you are lady with menses? Sometimes it is hard to see the Jew, but we must still be on our guard, dear. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 9:35am Soren wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 1:01pm:
If we identify bank robbers as criminals, then the bank robbers win. Everyone knows that bank robbers are just misunderstood victims, and sad people who are short of a few dollars [to fund their drugs use]. Bank robbers are not criminals. The real criminals, are politicians! And it logically follows, that we should get rid of our useless politicians, and replace them with bank robbers. /sarc off |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by toots on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 9:57am
You can't deny that Muslims set themselves apart from their host country all around the world and refuse to take on that country's culture. That's why the Dutch have changed their immigration policy to make sure that in future, they will have to do a test in their home country about Dutch culture and if they fail it, they won't be allowed to go there any more.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 10:04am toots wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 9:57am:
There is something to be said when the most tolerant society since WW2 in Europe has had enough of this brand of 'multiculturalism' inflicted apon them, by those very same people they have gone out of their way to assist. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by falah on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 11:07am
All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t
CNN recently published an article entitled Study: Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated; according to a study released by Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, “the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.” Yet, Americans continue to live in mortal fear of radical Islam, a fear propagated and inflamed by right wing Islamophobes. If one follows the cable news networks, it seems as if all terrorists are Muslims. It has even become axiomatic in some circles to chant: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” Muslims and their “leftist dhimmi allies” respond feebly, mentioning Waco as the one counter example, unwittingly affirming the belief that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” But perception is not reality. The data simply does not support such a hasty conclusion. On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on U.S. soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005. Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company. Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two. It would indeed be very interesting to construct a corresponding pie chart that depicted the level of media coverage of each group. The reason that Muslim apologists and their “leftist dhimmi allies” cannot recall another non-Islamic act of terrorism other than Waco is due to the fact that the media gives menial (if any) coverage to such events. If a terrorist attack does not fit the “Islam is the perennial and existential threat of our times” narrative, it is simply not paid much attention to, which in a circuitous manner reinforces and “proves” the preconceived narrative. It is to such an extent that the average American cannot remember any Jewish or Latino terrorist; why should he when he has never even heard of the Jewish Defense League or the Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros? Surely what he does not know does not exist! The Islamophobes claim that Islam is intrinsically a terrorist religion. The proof? Well, just about every terrorist attack is Islamic, they retort. Unfortunately for them, that’s not quite true. More like six percent. Using their defunct logic, these right wingers ought now to conclude that nearly all acts of terrorism are committed by Latinos (or Jews). Let them dare say it…they couldn’t; it would be political and social suicide to say such a thing. Most Americans would shut down such talk as bigoted; yet, similar statements continue to be said of Islam, without any repercussions. The Islamophobes live in a fantasy world where everyone is supposedly too “politically correct” to criticize Islam and Muslims. Yet, the reality is the exact opposite: you can get away with saying anything against the crescent. Can you imagine the reaction if I said that Latinos should be profiled because after all they are the ones who commit the most terrorism in the country? (For the record: I don’t believe in such profiling, because I am–unlike the right wing nutters–a believer in American ideals.) The moral of the story is that Americans ought to calm down when it comes to Islamic terrorism. Right wingers always live in mortal fear–or rather, they try to make you feel that way. In fact, Pamela Geller (the queen of internet Islamophobia) literally said her mission was to “scare the bejeezus outta ya.” Don’t be fooled, and don’t be a wuss. You don’t live in constant fear of radicalized Latinos (unless you’re Lou Dobbs), even though they commit seven times more acts of terrorism than Muslims in America. Why then are you wetting yourself over Islamic radicals? http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/ |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 11:34am falah wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 11:07am:
Oh really?? On that FBI page you find the data mentioned and it reveals the following: Total killed: 3178 Killed by Muslims in the name of Allah: 2980 (er... 94 %) Total injured: 14,038. Injured by Muslims in the name of Allah: 13,042 (ahem... 93 %) The data fully supports the perception that Muslim terrorists are responsible for the vast, overwhelming majority of deaths and injuries. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by culldav on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 11:54am
Anyone with an unbiased view only has to examine the History and “Social Construction” of the Netherlands to understand and acknowledge that “THESE” people engage and embraced “multiculturalism” many centuries before the action was ever represented into be a single word.
The Dutch people also have the decades of experience from so-called African and Middle Eastern asylum seekers/refugees entering there country and forming “ghettos” without wanting to know anything about their country who was so generous to offer these people homes when no one else wanted them. The Dutch people now realise these so-called asylum seekers/refugees don’t know what the meaning of the word “thank you” is, and the only time they want to engage with the Dutch people is when they want something that will benefit “them” as a community within a community. This is where Australia needs to WAKE-UP and start taking notice. When these people ask for something or special privileges, are they asking so that ALL AUSTRALIANS will benefit, or is it just like what happened over in the Netherlands; they ask for these special things so “THEY” will benefit, but no one else. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 12:51pm
Well said culldav.
With moslems, its 'give and take', others give, and moslems take, ungratefully. see.... "Muslim Arrogance, Supremacism and Sense of Unearned Entitlement" http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/islamic-supremacism-and-muslim-sense-of.html |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 1:28pm Yadda wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 9:35am:
I go a step further. We should replace bank robbers with Muslims. That way the politicians win. Or the bank robbers. I forget which. :D |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 1st, 2011 at 10:07pm Yadda wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 9:35am:
Funny how we do the same with drug dealers and people smugglers. We don't blame publicans for alcoholics. We don't blame casinos for problem gamblers. We don't blame travel agents for visa overstayers, and on and on. Yet for our convenience, the responsibility for "crimes" is passed around, depending on our whims. Who do we blame for Muslims? Most of their crimes are haram. Honour killings, terrorism, you name it. The Koran doesn't even say anything about circumcision, but they all do it. Some of them even cut their daughters' clits off - nothing in Islam about that. And nothing in the Bible about usury, or garotting, or the Corn Laws. Anyone's free to own slaves. It's more how you treat them that's the issue. And don't serve meat and milk on the same plate. That's the Law. Yet Christian societies have morphed into something else. Why? Because that's what people do. We make things up. Only the petty and litigious focus on the laws. The noble man has higher aspirations. Forget the Koran, the Bible, and all the books, friends. More importantly, remember them. Lest we forget. Just like Muslims, we're free to do what we want - as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Isn't it? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by toots on Oct 1st, 2011 at 10:50pm Samir Khan's parents were worried about their son's radical thoughts and turned to their Islamic leaders for help. His father, Zafar Khan, a Pakistani American and successful technology executive, bought his family a two storey home near a golf course in Charlotte, a neighbourhood where most kids went to college. He gave his son every opportunity to achieve whatever he wanted to be, but didn't expect him to choose the dangerous path of jihad. Samir Kahn described himself as a "traitor to America because my religion requires me to be one" and spent several years editing a website that supported al-Qaida. He relied on his US right to free speech to become more vocal about his fury at American foreign policy but when he found he was being closely watched by the FBI, he cut off all ties with his family and went to live in Yemen in 2009. He came to America with his parents when he was seven and grew up in Queens, New York and didn't move to Charlotte until he was a teenager. It is thought that by that time, his thoughts of jihad were firmly established. Yesterday he was killed in a drone strike in Yemen at the age of 25. After the September 11 attacks, his father became so alarmed by his radical views that he arranged an intervention of sorts with Islamic scholars who tried to change his thinking. But it was no use, he listened and promised to change but his mind was already made up and there was no turning back. He wanted to start a "media jihad" war and went to Yemen to promote the Muslim extremist message to the English-speaking world. He started a magazine called Inspire - the latest issue includes an article entitled "Make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom." |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 12:17am
Yes, fundamentalist Islam is to Islam what the Khmer Rouge is to Karl Marx.
Still, we all have our our fate. Tomorrow we may get blown up by mom's bomb. Or we may get hit by a bus. Only Gud knows what lies in store for us, friends. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by toots on Oct 3rd, 2011 at 1:29pm
al-Awlaki and Khan were killed by the same US special unit that killed bin Laden at his hideout in Pakistan, well done boys.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by corporate_whitey on Oct 5th, 2011 at 1:59am
Geert Wilders is a psycho - why let this hate preacher into Australia when we ban others?
this man preaches against everything we say we value in this country - religious tolerance, pluralism, diversity, multiculturalism, inclusiveness. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by pansi1951 on Oct 5th, 2011 at 6:40am corporate_whitey wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 1:59am:
He'd fit into the Liberal Party well. Maybe he's coming for a job interview with Tony. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 5th, 2011 at 7:22am corporate_whitey wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 1:59am:
Er... I don't value these things. Or if I do it is only as a gesture of my Western attitude towards the 'other', a sign of my politeness. (Dare I say it? yeah, what the hell: the expressions of the West's Christian universalism.) These can be always only gestures of Western, Christianity- inspired politeness, not fundamental or universal values shared by non-Christian, non-western people, except insofar as they have assimilated to the the west and took in as their own its values. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Oct 5th, 2011 at 7:36am corporate_whitey wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 1:59am:
Perhaps you could include a link to the hate speeches eh. You forget this man comes from the most tolerant country in Europe. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by toots on Oct 5th, 2011 at 9:39am
In his Berlin speech last month Wilders said that Islam can be successfully fought by democratic means. The assassin in Norway pretended to be a concerned European and said “It is meaningless to participate in the democratic process” but Wilders proved him wrong in court. Wilders only holds 24 seats out of 150 in parliament and supports a minority government of Liberals and Christian-Democrats. His price? To restrict immigration, roll back crime, and restore traditional Western freedoms, such as freedom of speech and the right to criticize Islam. Do you think our pollies will listen to such logic? Yeah, right, sure they will.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by corporate_whitey on Oct 5th, 2011 at 9:58am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 7:36am:
A rightard is a rightard and a bigot is a bigot no matter what country they are skulking in - Wilders openly preaches intolerance against Islam and against Muslim immigration. You are cunningly trying to equate tolerance with a geographical location to cloud theissue and you have been caught out. Wilders preaches hate against Islam - nuff said. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by pansi1951 on Oct 5th, 2011 at 10:16am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 7:36am:
Have you ever been to the Netherlands? Did you step outside of the smoking dens and see the country? Have you read any peer reviewed articles about life in the Netherlands for black people and Muslims? They are as tolerant as we are, not very. We let some in, but we don't treat them well once they're here. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 5th, 2011 at 10:52am corporate_whitey wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 9:58am:
What? Now hating any particular ideology or religion is verboten? It's not. It is perfectly OK to hate any particular ideology, religion or political system and Islam is no exception. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 5th, 2011 at 11:29am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 10:16am:
What sort of tolerance do dutchmen get in South Africa or Saudi Arabia? Would you say it's More or less than what blacks and muslims get in Holland? :-X |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Time on Oct 5th, 2011 at 11:34am corporate_whitey wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 1:59am:
You don't value any of those things. You're one of the most intolerant people on the forum. This is where your type always contradicts itself; you call for tolerance blah blah blah but deny any opinions contrary to your own. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by corporate_whitey on Oct 5th, 2011 at 11:58am Soren wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 10:52am:
We have anti hate laws in this country that says it is not perfectly ok to preach and incite hatred against any particular ideology or religion and those laws apply to Wilders preaching intolerance against Islam as well. This hater should be banned from our shores, the moment he opens his mouth he intends to break the laws of this country and singly out Muslim Australians. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 5th, 2011 at 12:23pm corporate_whitey wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 11:58am:
Do we? I knew we had racial and sexual vilification laws in place. I didn't know we had ideological (sic) and religious ones as well. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Oct 5th, 2011 at 12:47pm corporate_whitey wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 11:58am:
If that is true [and i do not doubt it....] Then our public prosecutors in this country need to prosecute those persons who promote the philosophy of ISLAM in this country. The Koran [which i do not want banned, but read, and examined] is an ideological hate manual, inciting religious hatred against non-moslems. A sample of the ISLAMIC 'religious' texts which guide the daily lives of 'religious' moslems.... "......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith." Koran 2.089 "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 [i.e. 'Unbelief' is a crime.] "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.." Koran 4.74-76 [i.e. Fighting against 'unbelievers' is sanctified, fighting against 'unbelievers' is 'good works'. Because 'unbelievers' [of Allah] are in league with SATAN. So those who are indeed, good moslems will fight against the 'unbelievers'.] "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. " Koran 9.29 "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them." Koran 3.28 "O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..." Koran 60.1 "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 The Hadith, "...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 AND; Quote:
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by mozzaok on Oct 5th, 2011 at 12:56pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7th, 2011 at 9:44am:
Geert is your hero??? Don't tell Jesus, from what I have read, he is a Jealous god. ;) G'Day Sprint. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Oct 5th, 2011 at 1:04pm corporate_whitey wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 9:58am:
You seem to forget that Europe's issues with Muslim immigration are quite different to ours simply because they have more of them over a far longer period of time. Whether he is right , left, black or white doesn't automatically mean he is wrong. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Oct 5th, 2011 at 1:06pm Yadda wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 12:47pm:
For the sake of 'social harmony' in this country, imo, the practice and promotion of ISLAM in this country should be prohibited by law. ISLAM is a death cult, and ISLAM's foundation texts [the Koran and Hadith] incite and promote religious hatred against non-moslems. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 5th, 2011 at 1:09pm Yadda wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 12:47pm:
Yadda, the only Koran reading you've done is highlighted snippets on Jihadwatch. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Oct 5th, 2011 at 1:19pm corporate_whitey wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 9:58am:
Wilders does not preach hatred. He merely paints a truthful, accurate, and unflattering picture of what ISLAM itself promotes, which is cultural intolerance. And then Wilders draws conclusions about how compatible ISLAM is, with our own laws and customs. And it, ISLAM, is totally incompatible, with all other systems of law. ISLAM itself prohibits other systems of law, because they are not ISLAMIC. e.g. , Quote:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-country-is-god-forsaken-and-that-muslims-must-shun-secular-a.html Three references in the Hadith, show that 'religious fighting' in Allah's cause [so as to IMPOSE ISLAMIC hegemony upon others, using violence], is an obligation for moslems... #1, "Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025 #2, "A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065 #3, hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i n.b. "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Oct 5th, 2011 at 1:27pm Karnal wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 1:09pm:
Yes, yes, effende, you are correct, as always, effende. Let me lick your boots effende. http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/ http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/ |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 5th, 2011 at 2:10pm corporate_whitey wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 9:58am:
Are you preaching love towards Islam? Fascism? Stalinism? Mao Tse Tung thought? Home renovation shows? Barking dogs in the middle of the night? Graffiti? Post modern literatry chriticism? Post colonialal resenment mongering? Incontinent use of emoticons? I don't have to love or even tolerate any of them. I can hate them all and can say so. What's this rush to tolerance, anyway? What kind of crazy perversion is this modern mania to tolerate every kind of crazy bastard and his twisted ideas or ideology? Some ideas are BAD. The way to find out which ones are bad is by openly discussing them. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 5th, 2011 at 3:52pm corporate Quote:
could you post where he preaches hate plse ? he states facts, quotes from the koran. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 5th, 2011 at 4:08pm
Yes, but he also says we should hate.
"We all should hate these Muslims. It is essential for a peaceful liberal democracy to hate the Muselman, insh'allah - I mean, Ursula, you know, the lovely film actress, those in films, everyone. We should all hate. It strengthens the nation." That little "insh'allah" was not intended, believe me, but I think he covered it up okay. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 5th, 2011 at 4:15pm
"Holland has always been a peaceful nation, a generous and tolerant nation. But now, she is divided. Multiculturalism has shredded the fabric of our once peaceful society. Allah Uakbar! A quote - ha ha! I make a quote from the Koran, the Muslim's evil book. Allah Uakbar. You see? I have read this book in the original Arabic and it is full of despicable foreign concepts malign to our secular, modern world view. Just a quote to give an example. Now..."
Again, you'd never know, but Geerty can't help himself. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by pansi1951 on Oct 5th, 2011 at 6:39pm Karnal wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 4:08pm:
That's it! we don't HATE enough, not like yadda hates, he hates wastefully. Get the hater-ade out there. Only guds good people hate the mussies more, yadda is lover of hate, he spreads the word of hate. Good teacher you must show us the way! show us the bible chapters that we must follow to be lovers of hate, teach us the way to hate, the right way to hate. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 5th, 2011 at 7:10pm So there is no quote. I love Geert |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 5th, 2011 at 7:21pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 6:39pm:
Geert loves Muslims - who doesn't? He only hates the ideology of Islam. Some Muslims are very nice, you just need to know how to read their beards: |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Oct 6th, 2011 at 11:55am Karnal wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 4:08pm:
According to Karnal, to tell the truth about ISLAM, is 'hatred'. No, it isn't. Karnal, If we see a murder being committed, is it 'hatred', to cry out; "Murder! Murder!" ??? +++ Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 6:39pm:
According to pansi, to tell the truth about ISLAM, is 'hatred'. No, it isn't. pansi, If we see a murder being committed, is it 'hatred', to cry out; "Murder! Murder!" ??? +++ The legitimacy, of killing 'unbelievers' in ISLAMIC law.... "Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...." fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110 n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled." Further evidence, from the mouths of moslems, on the legitimacy, of moslems killing anyone, during Jihad 'operations' to spread Allah's perfect religion.... e.g. #1, "....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood." ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......PROMOTING, JUSTIFYING, ISLAM's VIOLENT JIHAD e.g. #2, Quote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550211/Cleric-preaches-that-violence-is-part-of-Islam.html e.g. #3, KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE "...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4 e.g. #4, Attack on London 'inevitable' April 19, 2004 "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity." http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:11pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 6:39pm:
This is truth, my friend. Yadda is Karmic Christian. The sins of the father shall be visited upon the son. It does not matter who we hate - as long as we hate one at a time, isn't it? This focuses our hate, it makes us strong. Remember, one twig alone will break, but a collection of twigs tied together can be used as a rod. Do not punch with your finger, friend, you must use your whole fist. The peoples must come together to be strong. Also, we must be united under one leader. Matty has meeting in Ryde - near the shops. You can join if you wish and work to make the countries strong again. The Muslims are just one stage of our historical evolution. Soon they shall be shedded like flees upon a dog. When this happens we shall need the new enemy, and then another. It will not be hard to find this enemies. We have many peoples, isn't it? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:14pm My lounge room has "Geert Wilders" wall paper on it |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:16pm
Allah Uakbar, my friend. He is a good man.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:23pm Karnal wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:16pm:
A better man than you K, imo. Geert Wilders fronts up to the truth, even an inconvenient truth. Geert Wilders is not a worm, pretending to be a man. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by toots on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:34pm
If Muslims didn't make themselves so unpopular, they wouldn't be hated as much, they bring it on themselves. Every time there is a Muslim in the news, it's all bad. We don't make the news, we just watch it every night and Islam has been on Aussie tv only in a negative way for years. Incident after incident, all negative, nothing positive. The lying woman who accused the cop of tearing off her veil, the man who beat a convert for having a drink with his mates, the Muslim men jailed for trying to blow us all up, on and on it goes. They hate us with a passion so guess what, we hate back.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by darkhall67 on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:40pm toots wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:34pm:
You dont think that this is the reason for your opinion? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by toots on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:47pm
We've talked about this before, there's a huge difference between Islam and Christianity, Islam controls every part of their life, no non-Muslim friends, what to wear, what to eat, they don't even like dogs, they grow ugly beards and women set themselves apart in funny clothes - Islam rules their entire life.
Compare that to Christianity, it doesn't grab their followers by the throat and dictate what they can and can't do, they have freedom that Islam doesn't allow. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:49pm darkhall67 wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:40pm:
Yes, they only show awful, despicable Muslims, never any good ones. You know, Muslims burning the Amerikan flag, Muslims throwing shoes, Muslims dancing around and firing AK47s in the air when one of us gets killed. Have you noticed? They love it when one of us gets killed. They're so bloodthirsty, these Muslims. It's all in the Koran, of course. Yadda's read it. It's a terrible book. Anyway, the reason they show all this on TV is because it's the truth. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:50pm darkhall67 wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:40pm:
Proverbs 22:1 A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold. 'A good name'; Moslems don't have one, because they choose to follow, to embrace, ISLAM. On their own head be it. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:53pm Karnal wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:49pm:
Listen to the words, coming out of the mouth of Anjem Choudary, a moslem community leader in the UK.... KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE "...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4 |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by darkhall67 on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:54pm toots wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:47pm:
You're talking about the kind of islam in backward countries like afghanistan and iraq and iran. Are ALL muslims like this? Is liking dogs a prerequisite for acceptance? Are ugly beards limited to muslims? Doesnt judaism tell it's adherents what to eat and what to wear? Arent some christians dictated to about what they should believe? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:55pm
Freewill, you see?
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:58pm darkhall67 wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:54pm:
YES, YES, YES. And the ones who deny it, are lying. e.g.... Quote:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-country-is-god-forsaken-and-that-muslims-must-shun-secular-a.html "......are lying." Google; undercover mosque Google; taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit Google; we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them" |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by toots on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:00pm
I see a picture of men with ugly beards shouting about Allah, gathered around a nondescript woman hidden under a black shroud outside court in Sydney after she was found lying, trying to get a cop into trouble. This wonderful specimen of womanhood was the mother of six children and a shining light of Islam.
Disgusting and ugly. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by darkhall67 on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:02pm Yadda wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 2:58pm:
You spend too much time googling. If it's not the old testament you slavishly believe in it's the websites you hit when you type in "muslims being evil". Put down the OT. Unplug the computer. Use the brain that millions of years of evolution has gifted you. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by darkhall67 on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:05pm toots wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:00pm:
Yep. Have you seen any pictures of ugly people of european descent behaving badly outside of courtrooms? Have you ever heard or seen and of those kind of people lying or trying to get someone else into trouble? Have you ever seen any mothers from that group doing something despicable? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:10pm toots wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:00pm:
Exactly so, toots. A moslem, being, a moslem. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by pansi1951 on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:10pm darkhall67 wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:05pm:
Surely you are not suggesting that an Australian would go to court and blame the cop? There's no ugly people of European descent is there? I thought all the uglies got plastic surgery by now. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:20pm darkhall67 wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:05pm:
Mostly, they are moslems..... Whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, ...... "Stop persecuting us innocent moslems, its just coz my brother wanted to kill infidels!!" /sarc off "Five Australian jihadists convicted - Sister, 'its not fair' " http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/15/2819965.htm http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/australia-5-jihadists-motivated-by-intolerant-inflexible-religious-conviction-sentenced-to-prison-te.html "..The sister for one of the convicted men said...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion." It was reported, that her brother liked to watch videos of moslems beheading non-moslems, and now he can't, ...for a very long time. And it's just not fair!! Australians laws are so unfair. COMMENT; This woman clearly identifies herself as a *moslem*. And has clearly declared that *she believes*; "...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion." As a moslem, this woman [along with all moslems] is effectively declaring; 'ISLAM gives us moslems the right to use violence to impose our value system upon you non-moslems. Your non-moslem laws are illegal, and unjust. And it is evil, and unjust, for you to use your laws to resist our Jihad, against you.' And i assure you, imo, that that, is the mindset of all good moslems share. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:21pm Yadda wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:10pm:
Yes, but we're not blaming them, of course. That would be bigoted. Bigot (noun) = a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. We're blaming Islam. Quote: "Islam is evil, despicable and mean. They don't like us and we don't like them. We need to kill them all and let God sort them out". Psalms 1–41 1 Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers, 2 but whose delight is in the law of the LORD, and who meditates on his law day and night. 3 That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither— whatever they do prospers. 4 Not so the wicked! They are like chaff that the wind blows away. 5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:29pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:10pm:
OF course they would - it's the standard defence for the first australians. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by darkhall67 on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:31pm Karnal wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:21pm:
Which part of the bible is that quote from yadda? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Yadda on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:32pm Karnal wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:21pm:
Correct, K. Bigot (noun) = a person who is utterly intolerant of any, any, any, differing creed, belief, or opinion. Which is exactly what ISLAM promotes. The hatred of ALL non-moslems, AND, the 'illegality' of ALL systems of law, which are not ISLAMIC. +++ "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 [i.e. 'Unbelief' is a crime.] inciting and motivating moslem violence against non-moslems "......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith." Koran 2.089 inciting moslem hatred of non-moslems "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.." Koran 4.74-76 i.e. Fighting against 'unbelievers' is sanctified. And fighting against 'unbelievers' is 'good works'. Because 'unbelievers' [of Allah] are in league with SATAN. So those who are good moslems will of course fight against the 'unbelievers'. "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 inciting and motivating and sanctifying moslem violence against non-moslems "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...." Koran 3.85 |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:37pm darkhall67 wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 3:31pm:
Please see my post above. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by toots on Oct 7th, 2011 at 4:39pm
It's an arrogant religion. My daughter works will a nice Muslim bloke whose wife wears the head scarf but he will never come to their after work get togethers on a Friday because there will be alcohol there. How is that fitting in to our way of life? Couldn't he go and drink orange juice? No, he just refuses to go at all.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by darkhall67 on Oct 7th, 2011 at 4:45pm
Seriously?
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by pansi1951 on Oct 7th, 2011 at 5:09pm toots wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 4:39pm:
LOL what else can I say to that? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Belgarion on Oct 7th, 2011 at 6:14pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 5:09pm:
Nothing...as there is no counter argument to offer. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by pansi1951 on Oct 7th, 2011 at 6:44pm Belgarion wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 6:14pm:
Exactly. Doesn't he know that to get respect from the boys he has to get pissed, make a complete r's of himself, touch up the young girls, be unfaithful to his wife, drive home drunk and bash the missus. Some people will never 'fit in'. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 7th, 2011 at 7:07pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 6:44pm:
To speak Old English for a moment - if that front bottom thinks, like you, that this country is all about that and only that - what the bugger is he doing here? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by toots on Oct 7th, 2011 at 7:15pm
Their religion keeps them apart from us, even in the work situation.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 7th, 2011 at 7:18pm
They can shove their religion up their arses before others do it for them. Ina caring, ecumenical, inclusive and gay rights empowering kinda way.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 7th, 2011 at 7:41pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 6:44pm:
Since you have such a low opinion of australians, this might interest you: Quote:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/news/10400767/shocking-toll-of-violence-in-the-home/ |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 7th, 2011 at 8:00pm
Listen to this and tell me what is not true in it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSx9aw99NLc |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by toots on Oct 7th, 2011 at 9:30pm
We already know that Australia is the best country in the world. Anyone game to change our way or life? I don't think so. It's already be tried at Cronulla.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by darkhall67 on Oct 7th, 2011 at 10:39pm
Did the IQ of this forum suddenly drop?
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 7th, 2011 at 11:44pm darkhall67 wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 10:39pm:
Yep, at exactly 10:39pm. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by pansi1951 on Oct 8th, 2011 at 6:23am
That was a stupid argument wesley. The Muslim gentleman wasn't being asked to fit into an Indigenous community, unless he was working for an Australian Aboriginal company, which I doubt.
Haven't you been to a white Australian after work or Christmas party? If you have you know what I mean, it's our culture and I wouldn't expect any self-respecting Muslim to attend. Remember Willy Mason egging El Masri on to have a drink, go on just one mate it won't hurt, what's wrong with you? Some people just don't get it do they? We are becoming more and more multicultural so it might be time to educate our citizens about other cultures that are different to our own, so they do get it. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 8th, 2011 at 9:53am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 8th, 2011 at 6:23am:
You would be livid if this was a Christian puritan. Why are we becoming more multicultural? And if we are, the burden is first and foremost on thea newcomers to educate themselves about the ways of the host country. You don't have to drink at an after work party. You stay away and it is rightly seen as a snub. Which is what it is meat to be. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:22am darkhall67 wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 10:39pm:
Completely. They'e gone Howard Sattler. A barrage of cranks, conspiracy theorists and bin straighteners. I'll tell you who's the worse with drinks though: Hindus. They never go for drinks. God knows how they get through the three day weddings. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:45am Quote:
Obviously he is just suffering from discerning taste. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 8th, 2011 at 12:17pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:45am:
So a few drinks - some alcoholic, some soft - at an Australian workplace is against good taste. How stupid. He is not required to drink anything. He is expected to mingle and chat. Self-disclose, in other words. But he won't because he is a creep, jumping on the opportunity to parade his apartness, his self-exclusion. Yet everyone must respect his stupid codes of Islamic behaviour lest they be branded islamophobes. The front bottom is a despiser of his colleagues but that's OK, that's Muslim kultcha, innit, despising. What a joke. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Nationals_Win on Oct 8th, 2011 at 12:21pm
YAY im glad annie is back..
... though it won't be for long it is never for long :( :( :( (annie has a life) |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Wesley Pipes on Oct 8th, 2011 at 2:53pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 8th, 2011 at 6:23am:
Well it wasn't so much an argument, but I saw that you are filled with hatred for australians, so i had to do soemthing. That something was to show you that it's only a very small fraction of australians who embody the very worst traits that you mentioned. So next time you feel like slurring 'australians' like you are wont to do, just remember that it's really "the first australians" that in reality, it should be directed at. Kinda puts you in a bit of a bind doesn't it? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Belgarion on Oct 8th, 2011 at 3:26pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 6:44pm:
I will be generous pansi and assume that you deliberately misinterpreted my meaning, rather than that you were too stupid to see what I meant. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 8th, 2011 at 7:16pm Quote:
Is it Islamic behaviour to be choosy about who you socialise with? Have you wanted to ”mingle and chat” with your colleagues outside hours at every place you’ve worked? I certainly haven’t, but again – I’m a bit selective with who I spend my precious free time with. You may not be – after all, beggars can’t be choosers. This guy could have put in a 70 hour week and may just want to get home to his wife, right? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by toots on Oct 8th, 2011 at 8:52pm
He's been wanting to get home to his wife every Friday for 6 years, that's pretty aloof right? Maybe even arrogant?
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 8th, 2011 at 9:33pm Quote:
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So which is it? Is he nice or or is he arrogant? If your daughter has as much trouble making her mind up as you seem to, no wonder he wants to get the hell outta Dodge as soon as he can. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 8th, 2011 at 9:58pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 8th, 2011 at 7:16pm:
Well, so he is treated and shunned in turn as an outsider on account of being a Muslim. Multiculturalism, innit? He doesn't have to like Australians, and Australians don't have to like him. And so they don't. He is an Australo-phobe and his colleagues are Islamophobes. Works fabulously. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:00pm
Then what are you and Toots bitching about?
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:03pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:00pm:
I am bitching about the front bottom and his coreligionists wanting to be treated inclusively. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:07pm
front bottom? Look at you pushing the boundaries, you naughty boy.
How do you know he wants to be treated inclusively by Toots' yobbo daughter (while we're making assumptions)? |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:15pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:07pm:
What the bugger is he doing in Australia if he doesn't want to be treated inclusively? Did he come here to be treated as an alien? Probably yes. Why is he here if he can't bear the company of his community except when he is paid for it? What a front bottom. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Annie Anthrax on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:20pm
It's the weekend, Soren. Shouldn't you be socialising with your colleagues instead of trying out naughty words on the internet?
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:25pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:20pm:
Just got back from dinner with my neighbours a few streets away. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:36pm Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2011 at 10:25pm:
Weren't out with the boys from work then? Typical. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Soren on Oct 9th, 2011 at 12:35pm
I don't work on Saturdays, PB. On weekends I am fitting in with my neighbourhood community.
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 10th, 2011 at 11:20am Soren wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 12:35pm:
Well. You are a good assimilator, aren't you. Pity we can't say the same for the Muselmen. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by FriYAY on Oct 10th, 2011 at 1:05pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 8th, 2011 at 6:23am:
"A white Australian" party? Are you suggesting only "white Australians" go to xmas parties and get pissed? What a disgraceful racist you are. What a detestable piece of garbage. Bigotry and hatred at its best. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 10th, 2011 at 1:08pm FriYAY wrote on Oct 10th, 2011 at 1:05pm:
how repressive, anti-freedom and small minded you are friyay ! oppressing us whites, sayign we are not permitted to be with other whites. whites are happier with whites |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 11th, 2011 at 8:52am
Yes, there's nothing I like better than starting the day with my cheery fellow whites, Sprint: you and Soren.
I feel better already. |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 11th, 2011 at 10:16am :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Baronvonrort on Oct 12th, 2011 at 11:44am toots wrote on Oct 7th, 2011 at 4:39pm:
The Quran allows alcohol in sura 16:67 you should ask your muslim friends why they dont drink alcohol when the Quran is clear with allowing it. http://quran.com/16/67 Muslims drink camel urine maybe you should get a jug of that for your muslim friends,be a good host and show some hospitality. You could probably get some lemonade and mix up the camel urine equivalent of a shandi!. Here is a sheik explaining the benefits from drinking camel urine they say it will cure HIV and baldness- http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/83423/camel%20urine |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Oct 12th, 2011 at 2:01pm Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 12th, 2011 at 11:44am:
Camel urine and lemonade shandi? I sincerely hope you are not a publican baronvonrort. :) |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by Karnal on Oct 12th, 2011 at 3:27pm
It is true, my friends. Thanks to the urine of camel I have never contracted HIV. Also, I have a full heady of the hairs.
Khalesh! |
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Title: Re: Geert Wilders, my hero, coming to Australia. Post by pansi1951 on Oct 12th, 2011 at 5:58pm Karnal wrote on Oct 12th, 2011 at 3:27pm:
my brother Ahmad he send me the bottle of piss from the one thousand camels, is very good mix. cheers my frien karnal http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1CPh84wXVl607PCIPaVWVcfvIyGzZsna6y3yUI4vzq_hSg3RqAA |
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