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THE federal government faces calls to scrap Australia's written citizenship test because it is too hard for thousands of migrants who cannot understand the questions. New Australians are refusing the test for fear of failing and being deported, with just 9043 migrants applying from October to December last year when there should have been about 30,000, The Daily Telegraph reported. A submission to the Inquiry into Multiculturalism said almost 23 per cent of Sudanese migrants, 17.5 per cent of Afghanis and 16 per cent of Iraqis fail to pass the test on first or subsequent attempts. The NSW Teachers' Federation demanded the government drop the written questions and return to a "basic spoken English test" as used in the past. "The citizenship test requires near native-speaker competence in English," the federation's submission says. "The test ... is particularly disadvantaging certain migrant and refugee groups and lowering their uptake of citizenship. Many refugee groups have reported that due to a fear of failure and a perception of being deported if unsuccessful ... they are far less likely to sit the test at all." The test is of 20 questions drawn at random from a pool of questions. To pass, applicants must answer 15 correctly. UK migrants top the list of successes, then India, China, South Africa, Philippines, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Korea and Malaysia. Some Sudanese migrants said yesterday they knew many who had not become citizens because of the test. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/new-aussie-citizens-test-too-hard/story-e6frfkvr-1226103082543#ixzz1TME56qFJ

What is wrong with requiring australian citizens to speaka da english?

It's obviously not that bad, seeing as how 3 of the top 5, and at least 7 out of the top 10 countries who do pass, are not english speaking countries.

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/learn/cit_test/_pdf/practice-questions.pdf

Take the test yourself.  


I admit the ability to answer some questions mightn't be essential to 'fitting in' but it is nice to know that people who apply for citizenship (not just residency) value it enough to put in the half hour study that could be required to pass.

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NEW requirements for immigrants to speak basic English before joining their spouse in the UK were deemed racist last night. It is claimed the language test discriminates against British-Indian families and their traditions, and breaches their human rights. The Home Office now requires such people to speak a minimum level of English. But three couples are challenging the rule, introduced by Home Secretary Theresa May in November. They claim it contravenes their rights to a family life, their right to marry and constitutes discrimination. One case is that of British citizen Rashida Chapti, 54, and husband Vali Chapti, 57, who wants to join her in the UK. They have been married for 37 years and have six children together. Mr Chapti is an Indian national and does not speak, read or write English. Mrs Chapti has reportedly been travelling between India and Leicester for around 15 years but has now applied for her husband to join her. It is a privilege to come to the UK and that is why I am committed to raising the bar for migrants.   The immigration rules require Mr Chapti to show a basic knowledge of English before he can be given permission to stay. At the High Court in Birmingham yesterday, Manjit Gill QC, for the couple, said the requirement was a breach of their human rights. It contravened several articles of the European Convention on Human Rights. He said: “The rule is particularly striking in that it prevents mere residence even though one of the parties is fully entitled to live in this country.” Home Secretary Theresa May said last year: “It is a privilege to come to the UK and that is why I am committed to raising the bar for migrants.” http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/261315/Bid-to-overturn-racist-English-test-

 
Hmmm...could it be just a coincidence that an almost identical complaint has been made on the very same day, about the UK equivalent test?

Something smells fishy....


 

An excellent find Wesley. As it is i think the test is a little bit too easy if indians can pass it. also Karnal is crying is his cot because he cant troll here lol :D

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UK migrants top the list of successes, then India, China, South Africa, Philippines, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Korea and Malaysia.

New Zealand is further down the list than India and China. What the fudge?

Pacific Islanders are not very bright Annie.

I had the citizenship test two years ago. It was not hard for me. However, I think there is a mistake.

The test should focus on the content instead of English. Similar to the driver license test, the citizenship test should be host in native language of the candidates.

On the other hand, there should be more knowledge of the democracy, liberty, equal,  organizing of government, constitution and multiple culture policy.

I agree with someone said "No one can not be offended." The citizenship test should also include the principles like this. The candidates should understand the pledge deeply when they become citizens. The test should make the candidates to think if they are really agree with the pledge.

Has anybody ever failed the citizenship test?

I heard someone failed.


Big Dave wrote on Oct 30^th, 2012 at 5:20pm:

Has anybody ever failed the citizenship test?

It's not a test to gain entry into the country. It's just a silly quiz so people understand what australia is about.

We probably shouldn't have a test that most Australians couldn't pass

... wrote on Jul 28^th, 2011 at 11:04am:

Quote: THE federal government faces calls to scrap Australia's written citizenship test because it is too hard for thousands of migrants who cannot understand the questions. New Australians are refusing the test for fear of failing and being deported, with just 9043 migrants applying from October to December last year when there should have been about 30,000, The Daily Telegraph reported. A submission to the Inquiry into Multiculturalism said almost 23 per cent of Sudanese migrants, 17.5 per cent of Afghanis and 16 per cent of Iraqis fail to pass the test on first or subsequent attempts. The NSW Teachers' Federation demanded the government drop the written questions and return to a "basic spoken English test" as used in the past. "The citizenship test requires near native-speaker competence in English," the federation's submission says. "The test ... is particularly disadvantaging certain migrant and refugee groups and lowering their uptake of citizenship. Many refugee groups have reported that due to a fear of failure and a perception of being deported if unsuccessful ... they are far less likely to sit the test at all." The test is of 20 questions drawn at random from a pool of questions. To pass, applicants must answer 15 correctly. UK migrants top the list of successes, then India, China, South Africa, Philippines, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Korea and Malaysia. Some Sudanese migrants said yesterday they knew many who had not become citizens because of the test. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/new-aussie-citizens-test-too-hard/story-e6frfkvr-1226103082543#ixzz1TME56qFJ What is wrong with requiring australian citizens to speaka da english? It's obviously not that bad, seeing as how 3 of the top 5, and at least 7 out of the top 10 countries who do pass, are not english speaking countries.

The problem isnt speaking english - its writing it.

SOB

I agree with you. That's why I believe the test should be in native language of candidates.

The important thing is the content not English.




Big Dave wrote on Oct 30^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

It's not a test to gain entry into the country. It's just a silly quiz so people understand what australia is about.

What is wrong with that the candidate use their native language to understand what is Australia? Why not can they be Australia citizen if they are not good at English?


... wrote on Jul 28^th, 2011 at 11:04am:

What is wrong with requiring australian citizens to speaka da english? It's obviously not that bad, seeing as how 3 of the top 5, and at least 7 out of the top 10 countries who do pass, are not english speaking countries.

Bowen wrote on Oct 30^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

What is wrong with that the candidate use their native language to understand what is Australia? Why not can they be Australia citizen if they are not good at English?

This is too silly.

How could you participate in the life of the country you want to belong to if you did not speak its language well enough?
How could you feel that you belonged to a people you didn't quite understand and, moreover, to whom you couldn't express yourself?


Acquiring citizenship is signing up to the kind of interpersonal relationship the native born have with each other. It is about pledging your way into that kind of relationship. This means communicating like them. In Australia, that means English. If you do not speak English well enough, you do not belong properly.
(This does not mean, of course, that speaking English properly is ALL that is required for meaningful citizenship. It is a necessary but not sufficient condition.)

You say this because you only understand English. That's why the government start the project to teach Australian more languages.

English is a working language in Australia. I speak English to you only because you do not understand other language. However, It's not necessary to speak English to live in Australia.

Like the Freedom of Religions, to speak in my favorite language is my human rights.


Soren wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 7:53pm:

Bowen wrote on Oct 30th, 2012 at 8:27pm: What is wrong with that the candidate use their native language to understand what is Australia? Why not can they be Australia citizen if they are not good at English? This is too silly. How could you participate in the life of the country you want to belong to if you did not speak its language well enough? How could you feel that you belonged to a people you didn't quite understand and, moreover, to whom you couldn't express yourself? Acquiring citizenship is signing up to the kind of interpersonal relationship the native born have with each other. It is about pledging your way into that kind of relationship. This means communicating like them. In Australia, that means English. If you do not speak English well enough, you do not belong properly. (This does not mean, of course, that speaking English properly is ALL that is required for meaningful citizenship. It is a necessary but not sufficient condition.)

But you cannot be a citizen in the full sense of the word if you do not understand the society around you.
Every person, as every culture, lives in language. If you do not live in the language then you are just a Chinese tourist with an Australian passport.

"Language is the house of being. In its home man dwells'.

That's why I suggest to use the native language to host the test. The candidate can understand more when they prepare the test. To make the people join the community, you need to make them understand more with their favorite language. That's why I use English to discuss with you here.

I look Australia as my new home. You are right, I should understand you. On the other hand you should understand me too. To force people to use a second language to understand you is not a really good idea.

The most important thing is the content of the test, not English.


Soren wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 8:46pm:

But you cannot be a citizen in the full sense of the word if you do not understand the society around you. Every person, as every culture, lives in language. If you do not live in the language then you are just a Chinese tourist with an Australian passport. "Language is the house of being. In its home man dwells'.

I don't need to understand Chinese. You knew when you wanted to come here that English is the language of Australia. Nobody gave you any suggestion that when you come here people will want to understand you when you speak Chinese.

And nobody was forcing you to come to Australia or to apply for citizenship. You suggestion that you are forced to speak English if you want to sit the citizenship test is absurd. It is not very different from  various immigrants wanting to bring not just their language but their customs and laws, even if they are incompatible with Australian customs and laws.

I learn English from 10 year old despite I like or not. I came here because Australia need me; the political structure of Australia is better than China and Australia government convince me that Australia is a multi-culture society. I'm a technology immigration, not a refugee. It is a fair covenant that I pledge to be an Australian citizen. I read the pledge many times to consider if I can accept it. I am happy there is not content that I can not accept. At the same time Australia give me the citizenship for my pledge. 

Yes, no one invited me to come. Similarly, no one invited your forefather to come too. At least I came here in peace under the law and the covenant between Australia and me is fair.

Based on your logic, you should speak the language of Aborigines instead of English.

As a citizen, I believe the citizen test in only English is unfair and stupid. I will try to change it with my rights in law.






Soren wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 9:12pm:

I don't need to understand Chinese. You knew when you wanted to come here that English is the language of Australia. Nobody gave you any suggestion that when you come here people will want to understand you when you speak Chinese. And nobody was forcing you to come to Australia or to apply for citizenship. You suggestion that you are forced to speak English if you want to sit the citizenship test is absurd. It is not very different from  various immigrants wanting to bring not just their language but their customs and laws, even if they are incompatible with Australian customs and laws.

@ the start of this thread i disagreed with bowen. I thought the citizenship test was just to make sure immigrants can read/write english. Now im not so sure. Sounds like the test is unfair and why should immigrants be able to read/write english when heaps of aussies cant? If it is spoken it is fair enough but written not so much.

SOB

Actually, I believe the test is to make the candidates deeply understand the content of the pledge. There are more knowledge they need to know.

Not all the people are ready to join the democratic political system. They need to know their rights, freedom and the limitation buy the law. You need to teach them how to become a member of Australia society. Trust me, the agreement for rules is more important than the languages.

If you test so many things in English, it will be too hard. If you test in their native language, you can teach them many things to help them join Australia.

It's similar to the driver license test. The rules are more important than the language.


Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 5:05am:

@ the start of this thread i disagreed with bowen. I thought the citizenship test was just to make sure immigrants can read/write english. Now im not so sure. Sounds like the test is unfair and why should immigrants be able to read/write english when heaps of aussies cant? If it is spoken it is fair enough but written not so much. SOB

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 5:40am:

Actually, I believe the test is to make the candidates deeply understand the content of the pledge. There are more knowledge they need to know. Not all the people are ready to join the democratic political system. They need to know their rights, freedom and the limitation buy the law. You need to teach them how to become a member of Australia society. Trust me, the agreement for rules is more important than the languages. If you test so many things in English, it will be too hard. If you test in their native language, you can teach them many things to help them join Australia. It's similar to the driver license test. The rules are more important than the language. Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 5:05am: @ the start of this thread i disagreed with bowen. I thought the citizenship test was just to make sure immigrants can read/write english. Now im not so sure. Sounds like the test is unfair and why should immigrants be able to read/write english when heaps of aussies cant? If it is spoken it is fair enough but written not so much. SOB

I was agreeing with you

SOB

I understand. My reply is to provide more details of my idea.

:)


Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 5:46am:

I was agreeing with you SOB

Social cohesion. Social solidarity. These are absolutely dependent on mutual understanding.
If you cannot engage with the people around you because you do not fully understand them and you cannot fully express yourself to them, then you cannot become part of a cohesive community.

The democratic political and legal system and rules come from community cohesion and solidarity, not the other way around.

Soren wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 7:31am:

Social cohesion. Social solidarity. These are absolutely dependent on mutual understanding. If you cannot engage with the people around you because you do not fully understand them and you cannot fully express yourself to them, then you cannot become part of a cohesive community. The democratic political and legal system and rules come from community cohesion and solidarity, not the other way around.

BS it comes from the government deciding what they think is right for the ppl.

SOB

That's why the new policy of Fed government encourage Australian to learn secondary language.

When we live together, we need to try to understand each others. Not unilateral.

I learn English many years in schools in China. I tried my best to communicate with you in English.

It's time for you guys to learn some Chinese.

Why not?

You should know that, the responsibility to understand each others is not only for me but also for you. And I believe what I did is far more than you.

If you do not try to understand others, how can you expect others understand you?

That's why I said, the main reason of separated society is racialism. It make people refuse to understand others. 


Soren wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 7:31am:

Social cohesion. Social solidarity. These are absolutely dependent on mutual understanding. If you cannot engage with the people around you because you do not fully understand them and you cannot fully express yourself to them, then you cannot become part of a cohesive community. The democratic political and legal system and rules come from community cohesion and solidarity, not the other way around.

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 9:32am:

That's why the new policy of Fed government encourage Australian to learn secondary language. When we live together, we need to try to understand each others. Not unilateral. I learn English many years in schools in China. I tried my best to communicate with you in English. It's time for you guys to learn some Chinese. Why not? You should know that, the responsibility to understand each others is not only for me but also for you. And I believe what I did is far more than you. If you do not try to understand others, how can you expect others understand you?

FFS. It is not for any Australian to learn Chinese or any other language. You have to learn English because you want to live in Australia. I don't want to live in China, so why should I learn Chinese?


Think about what you're expecting of us. You want us to learn your language to make your life better here. Should every Australian also learn Arabic? Indonesian? Greek? Korean? Unless we are learning the language of every immigrant here how the hell are they going to feel welcome?

It is not our job to learn your culture. You have come to Australia, you have to learn our culture. If you think that is racist, maybe you will feel happier back in your own home. 


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That's why I said, the main reason of separated society is racialism. It make people refuse to understand others.

No. It is because people come here and refuse to integrate with society. If you don't want to live like an Australian, don't come here.

You want to wear a Roosters jersey and wave their flag in the South's league club under the cover of freedom. Then you want the club to take down all their green and red Rabbitohs posters because you feel discriminated against. Common sense would say if you don't like the team, don't join their club. 

You are wrong. You need to learn Chinese because you need to understand your Chinese neighbors in Australia. The understanding is not unilateral. Both you and me should try to understand others. That's why I learn English and you learn Chinese.

If you refuse to understand you neighbors, the problem is yours and It's you made the separated society.

Yes, if your neighbors are Arab, Indonesian, Greek or Korean, you may learn some of their language to be a good neighbor. At least you should respect their languages. You can choose the secondary language you want to learn, but you should try at least.

Don't you know, the world is changing. I came to Australia and my culture is a part of Australia culture already. That it Multicultural society which is one of the reason that I come here.

If you compare to footy, Australia is not any particular club but the NRL. Every body can wear what they favorite and no one ask others to take down anything. Australia is not your private club.

Government of Australia convinced me that Australia is a multicultural society. Then I come here. Now it's the time for me to protect the multicultural society in Australia.





Quantum wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 10:28am:

FFS. It is not for any Australian to learn Chinese or any other language. You have to learn English because you want to live in Australia. I don't want to live in China, so why should I learn Chinese? Think about what you're expecting of us. You want us to learn your language to make your life better here. Should every Australian also learn Arabic? Indonesian? Greek? Korean? Unless we are learning the language of every immigrant here how the hell are they going to feel welcome? It is not our job to learn your culture. You have come to Australia, you have to learn our culture. If you think that is racist, maybe you will feel happier back in your own home.  No. It is because people come here and refuse to integrate with society. If you don't want to live like an Australian, don't come here. You want to wear a Roosters jersey and wave their flag in the South's league club under the cover of freedom. Then you want the club to take down all their green and red Rabbitohs posters because you feel discriminated against. Common sense would say if you don't like the team, don't join their club.

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:00am:

You are wrong. You need to learn Chinese because you need to understand your Chinese neighbors in Australia. The understanding is not unilateral. Both you and me should try to understand others. That's why I learn English and you learn Chinese. If you refuse to understand you neighbors, the problem is yours and It's you made the separated society. Yes, if your neighbors are Arab, Indonesian, Greek or Korean, you may learn some of their language to be a good neighbor. At least you should respect their languages. You can choose the secondary language you want to learn, but you should try at least. Don't you know, the world is changing. If you compare to footy, Australia is not any particular club but the NRL. Every body can wear what they favorite and no one ask others to take down anything. Australia is not your private club.

If we are talking from a geography point of view, China is not Australia's only neighbour, and certainly not our closest. So what makes them so great that we should all learn Chinese. I assume you know Korean, Japanese, Russian, Indonesian, etc etc? Surely you know all your neighbours languages right? Do you even known all the Chinese languages and dialects, or just Mandarin?

If we are talking from a local neighbour point of view (as in the people who live in your suburb) then there a more Koreans, Vietnamese, Sudanese, Lebanese, Italians, and Greeks, than Chinese in the area I live. Why the hell should I learn Chinese, and Should I be learning all their languages as well?

Funny how in the other thread you don't think people coming here have to learn English, but those born and living here should waste there time learning Chinese to make the Chinese living here happy? Are you coming to Australia to live or conquer?

Australia is an English speaking country. If people coming here learn it, then everyone can communicate. Why and how can the Australian people learn the hundreds of different languages of people coming here?

If you want to come into our home, the responsibility in on you to take the time to learn our culture. It is not for us to take the time to make your life easier by doing Chinese studies. In fact, it is arrogant, selfish, and even offensive to suggest that 20000000+ Australians should all learn Chinese to make life better for you. If you love China so much, stay there. Don't turn this country into mini-china. 

China is no more a neighbour to Australia than Chad is to Great Britain.

When I talking about neighbors, I mean the guys who live in your suburb or your street.

Chinese in Australia is a different topic from China. Don't you understand?

Does China vote for the new councilors? No, but your Chinese neighbor does.

The world is changing. There won't be a country that pure English speaking or Chinese speaking anymore.

People speak English in China. People also speak Chinese in Australia. That's the modern world. You are still living in 19th century.


Quantum wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:20am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 11:00am: You are wrong. You need to learn Chinese because you need to understand your Chinese neighbors in Australia. The understanding is not unilateral. Both you and me should try to understand others. That's why I learn English and you learn Chinese. If you refuse to understand you neighbors, the problem is yours and It's you made the separated society. Yes, if your neighbors are Arab, Indonesian, Greek or Korean, you may learn some of their language to be a good neighbor. At least you should respect their languages. You can choose the secondary language you want to learn, but you should try at least. Don't you know, the world is changing. If you compare to footy, Australia is not any particular club but the NRL. Every body can wear what they favorite and no one ask others to take down anything. Australia is not your private club. If we are talking from a geography point of view, China is not Australia's only neighbour, and certainly not our closest. So what makes them so great that we should all learn Chinese. I assume you know Korean, Japanese, Russian, Indonesian, etc etc? Surely you know all your neighbours languages right? Do you even known all the Chinese languages and dialects, or just Mandarin? If we are talking from a local neighbour point of view (as in the people who live in your suburb) then there a more Koreans, Vietnamese, Sudanese, Lebanese, Italians, and Greeks, than Chinese in the area I live. Why the hell should I learn Chinese, and Should I be learning all their languages as well? Funny how in the other thread you don't think people coming here have to learn English, but those born and living here should waste there time learning Chinese to make the Chinese living here happy? Are you coming to Australia to live or conquer? Australia is an English speaking country. If people coming here learn it, then everyone can communicate. Why and how can the Australian people learn the hundreds of different languages of people coming here? If you want to come into our home, the responsibility in on you to take the time to learn our culture. It is not for us to take the time to make your life easier by doing Chinese studies. In fact, it is arrogant, selfish, and even offensive to suggest that 20000000+ Australians should all learn Chinese to make life better for you. If you love China so much, stay there. Don't turn this country into mini-china.

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:33am:

When I talking about neighbors, I mean the guys who live in your suburb or your street. Chinese in Australia is a different topic from China. Don't you understand? Does China vote for the new councilors? No, but your Chinese neighbor does. The world is changing. There won't be a country that pure English speaking or Chinese speaking anymore. People speak English in China. People also speak Chinese in Australia. That's the modern world. You are still living in 19th century.

Then I'll say this again...

If we are talking from a local neighbour point of view (as in the people who live in your suburb) then there a more Koreans, Vietnamese, Sudanese, Lebanese, Italians, and Greeks, than Chinese in the area I live. Why the hell should I learn Chinese, and should I be learning all their languages as well?

Funny how in the other thread you don't think people coming here have to learn English, but those born and living here should waste there time learning Chinese to make the Chinese living here happy? Are you coming to Australia to live or conquer?

Australia is an English speaking country. If people coming here learn it, then everyone can communicate. Why and how can the Australian people learn the hundreds of different languages of people coming here?

If you want to come into our home, the responsibility in on you to take the time to learn our culture. It is not for us to take the time to make your life easier by doing Chinese studies. In fact, it is arrogant, selfish, and even offensive to suggest that 20000000+ Australians should all learn Chinese to make life better for you. If you love China so much, stay there. Don't turn this country into mini-china. 

Why on earth would you learn Chinese?????

I happily speak English, French, German and Afrikaans.
Admittedly the Afrikaans isn't necessary and is more a unique thing - but there is no way in God's earth we should be learning Chinese.

Why?
Because its completely unnecessary.

The Chinese make cars and low cost products for the developed world.
They make things for us - therefore it is them who will speak our language.

Seriously, learning Chinese. what a waste of time.

German, English and French. Does me nicely from my school days.
I'd like to add Spanish but don't have the time.

I just use Chinese as an example. If you learn Korean or Vietnamese. I'm also happy for that.

What my point is if your neighbors speak other language. You may try to learn a little to be a good neighbor and understand them more. In most of conditions, you will receive more goodwill and understanding from your neighbors. It will be better to avoid a separated society.

It's far more better than you tell them "You should speak English, otherwise I won't talk to you."




Quantum wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:39am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 11:33am: When I talking about neighbors, I mean the guys who live in your suburb or your street. Chinese in Australia is a different topic from China. Don't you understand? Does China vote for the new councilors? No, but your Chinese neighbor does. The world is changing. There won't be a country that pure English speaking or Chinese speaking anymore. People speak English in China. People also speak Chinese in Australia. That's the modern world. You are still living in 19th century. Then I'll say this again... If we are talking from a local neighbour point of view (as in the people who live in your suburb) then there a more Koreans, Vietnamese, Sudanese, Lebanese, Italians, and Greeks, than Chinese in the area I live. Why the hell should I learn Chinese, and should I be learning all their languages as well? Funny how in the other thread you don't think people coming here have to learn English, but those born and living here should waste there time learning Chinese to make the Chinese living here happy? Are you coming to Australia to live or conquer? Australia is an English speaking country. If people coming here learn it, then everyone can communicate. Why and how can the Australian people learn the hundreds of different languages of people coming here? If you want to come into our home, the responsibility in on you to take the time to learn our culture. It is not for us to take the time to make your life easier by doing Chinese studies. In fact, it is arrogant, selfish, and even offensive to suggest that 20000000+ Australians should all learn Chinese to make life better for you. If you love China so much, stay there. Don't turn this country into mini-china.

I just use Chinese as an example. Any secondary language you learn is good.

BTW, Australian dig ore for China too if you don't know.


Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:46am:

Why on earth would you learn Chinese????? I happily speak English, French, German and Afrikaans. Admittedly the Afrikaans isn't necessary and is more a unique thing - but there is no way in God's earth we should be learning Chinese. Why? Because its completely unnecessary. The Chinese make cars and low cost products for the developed world. They make things for us - therefore it is them who will speak our language. Seriously, learning Chinese. what a waste of time. German, English and French. Does me nicely from my school days. I'd like to add Spanish but don't have the time.

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:51am:

I just use Chinese as an example. If you learn Korean or Vietnamese. I'm also happy for that. What my point is if your neighbors speak other language. You may try to learn a little to be a good neighbor and understand them more. In most of conditions, you will receive more goodwill and understanding from your neighbors. It will be better to avoid a separated society. It's far more better than you tell them "You should speak English, otherwise I won't talk to you."

If they can't speak English in an English speaking country, then it is them who has decided not to speak to me.

I would also like to know how far my Chinese will go when speaking to someone who only knows Arabic. I can't possibly learn all the languages of all the immigrants in Australia. Learning just one of those languages is a waste of time. The only way to avoid a "separated society" is for them to learn English. 

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 11:00am:

You are wrong. You need to learn Chinese because you need to understand your Chinese neighbors in Australia. The understanding is not unilateral. Both you and me should try to understand others. That's why I learn English and you learn Chinese. If you refuse to understand you neighbors, the problem is yours and It's you made the separated society. Yes, if your neighbors are Arab, Indonesian, Greek or Korean, you may learn some of their language to be a good neighbor. At least you should respect their languages. You can choose the secondary language you want to learn, but you should try at least.

This is way past silly, this is just stupid.

If my Arab, Indonesian, Greek or Korean neighbours sell up and move on and a Vietnamese, Spanish, Greek and Finnish family move in, I should start learning those languages??

English is the only common language. Everybody should learn it and use it.

This is the main reason that there is a separated society.

You should try to know the others. Not just wait others to know you.

If you don't, you are making the separated society.

If you do not try to understand others, you can not blame others.




Soren wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 12:48pm:

English is the only common language. Everybody should learn it and use it.

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 1:26pm:

This is the main reason that there is a separated society. You should try to know the others. Not just wait others to know you. If you don't, you are making the separated society. If you do not try to understand others, you can not blame others. Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 12:48pm: English is the only common language. Everybody should learn it and use it.

There is a problem with this logic.

1) There is a nation full of people who get along sharing a single culture.
2) immigrant arrives knowing nothing of this nations culture.
3) immigrant does not learn the nations culture or language, but keeps living and speaking like where they came from.
4) this barrier causes division and "separated society"
5) it is the locals fault for not leaning the new comers language and culture.

How the hell do we get to point five? Only in Western Anglo nations would point 5 even be entertained by the progressive do gooders. I was living fine before the immigrants arrived. Now that they are coming in droves and not integrating, it's my fault? I should change my culture to fit theirs?

20,000,000 white Australians. 500,000 Chinese. The 500,000 Chinese living in Australia shouldn't be forced to learn English, but the 20,000,000 white Australians living in their English speaking home country should learn Chinese to make the Chinese feel more at home. If the 20,000,000 white Australians don't learn Chinese, it is the white Australians fault for any division in the nation. WTF? How did we get to this point that this line of thinking is even considered?

Quantum wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 1:48pm:

There is a problem with this logic.

The problem is that there isn't any.  It seems even the chinese are becoming infected with liberal idiot syndrome. (LIS).

Australia never be a nation full of people who are in a single culture.

Your base is wrong. Don't you think the culture of Aborigines is Australian culture?

Your mistake is the reason why there is the Stolen Generation.

Do you want to steal my children in 21st century?


Quantum wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 1:48pm:

There is a problem with this logic. 1) There is a nation full of people who get along sharing a single culture. 2) immigrant arrives knowing nothing of this nations culture. 3) immigrant does not learn the nations culture or language, but keeps living and speaking like where they came from. 4) this barrier causes division and "separated society" 5) it is the locals fault for not leaning the new comers language and culture. How the hell do we get to point five? Only in Western Anglo nations would point 5 even be entertained by the progressive do gooders. I was living fine before the immigrants arrived. Now that they are coming in droves and not integrating, it's my fault? I should change my culture to fit theirs? 20,000,000 white Australians. 500,000 Chinese. The 500,000 Chinese living in Australia shouldn't be forced to learn English, but the 20,000,000 white Australians living in their English speaking home country should learn Chinese to make the Chinese feel more at home. If the 20,000,000 white Australians don't learn Chinese, it is the white Australians fault for any division in the nation. WTF? How did we get to this point that this line of thinking is even considered?

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 3:24pm:

Australia never be a nation full of people who are in a single culture. Your base is wrong. Don't you think the culture of Aborigines is Australian culture? Your mistake is the reason why there is the Stolen Generation. Do you want to steal my children in 21st century? Quantum wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 1:48pm: There is a problem with this logic. 1) There is a nation full of people who get along sharing a single culture. 2) immigrant arrives knowing nothing of this nations culture. 3) immigrant does not learn the nations culture or language, but keeps living and speaking like where they came from. 4) this barrier causes division and "separated society" 5) it is the locals fault for not leaning the new comers language and culture. How the hell do we get to point five? Only in Western Anglo nations would point 5 even be entertained by the progressive do gooders. I was living fine before the immigrants arrived. Now that they are coming in droves and not integrating, it's my fault? I should change my culture to fit theirs? 20,000,000 white Australians. 500,000 Chinese. The 500,000 Chinese living in Australia shouldn't be forced to learn English, but the 20,000,000 white Australians living in their English speaking home country should learn Chinese to make the Chinese feel more at home. If the 20,000,000 white Australians don't learn Chinese, it is the white Australians fault for any division in the nation. WTF? How did we get to this point that this line of thinking is even considered?

Give up on this ridiculous aboriginal comparisons. Aboriginals didn't build roads, power plants, sewage systems and skyscrapers. Walk down George street 50 years ago or catch a train to Melbourne and you were not surrounded by aboriginals. Australia had a majority that lived to what was classed as Australian culture, and the nation was built by Australians (what you would call Anglos).

The problem is your attitude that those who built this country owe you something. That not only do you have a right to what Australians have made, but that they should change to accommodate you. That they should even learn your language to make you feel more welcomed, so your people don't have to. Even worse is that if we don't go out of our way to accommodate you, we are racist because we are holding to our own culture. How dare we wish to preserve Australian culture in our own country!

What we are talking about is culture.

Do you think only your culture is Australian culture because you build roads, power plants, sewage systems and skyscrapers. Chinese can do all of them.

You said Aborigines is not Australian culture because they can not build. And said Chinese is not Australian culture because you came earlier. Do you have a standard?

Yes, Australia owe me two things, equal and human rights. I never expect more. I pledge my loyalty to this country bring all I have, only thing I expect are equal and human rights. That's why I come here.




Quantum wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 3:41pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 3:24pm: Australia never be a nation full of people who are in a single culture. Your base is wrong. Don't you think the culture of Aborigines is Australian culture? Your mistake is the reason why there is the Stolen Generation. Do you want to steal my children in 21st century? Quantum wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 1:48pm: There is a problem with this logic. 1) There is a nation full of people who get along sharing a single culture. 2) immigrant arrives knowing nothing of this nations culture. 3) immigrant does not learn the nations culture or language, but keeps living and speaking like where they came from. 4) this barrier causes division and "separated society" 5) it is the locals fault for not leaning the new comers language and culture. How the hell do we get to point five? Only in Western Anglo nations would point 5 even be entertained by the progressive do gooders. I was living fine before the immigrants arrived. Now that they are coming in droves and not integrating, it's my fault? I should change my culture to fit theirs? 20,000,000 white Australians. 500,000 Chinese. The 500,000 Chinese living in Australia shouldn't be forced to learn English, but the 20,000,000 white Australians living in their English speaking home country should learn Chinese to make the Chinese feel more at home. If the 20,000,000 white Australians don't learn Chinese, it is the white Australians fault for any division in the nation. WTF? How did we get to this point that this line of thinking is even considered? Give up on this ridiculous aboriginal comparisons. Aboriginals didn't build roads, power plants, sewage systems and skyscrapers. Walk down George street 50 years ago or catch a train to Melbourne and you were not surrounded by aboriginals. Australia had a majority that lived to what was classed as Australian culture, and the nation was built by Australians (what you would call Anglos). The problem is your attitude that those who built this country owe you something. That not only do you have a right to what Australians have made, but that they should change to accommodate you. That they should even learn your language to make you feel more welcomed, so your people don't have to. Even worse is that if we don't go out of our way to accommodate you, we are racist because we are holding to our own culture. How dare we wish to preserve Australian culture in our own country!

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 3:54pm:

You said Aborigines is not Australian culture because they can not build.

No aborgines is not australia culture because there was no "australia" until whitey came and built it.  Prior to that it was just a mass of land. 


Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 3:54pm:

Yes, Australia owe me two things, equal and human rights. I never expect more. I pledge my loyalty to this country bring all I have, only thing I expect are equal and human rights. That's why I come here.

Despite you're other posts showing you do in fact expect much, much more than this.  You already have "equal" and the same "human rights" as anyone else.  What do you think you're missing out on?

I don't know how many Australian agree your opinion. From my view, I believe it's obvious racialism.


... wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 4:00pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 3:54pm: You said Aborigines is not Australian culture because they can not build. No aborgines is not australia culture because there was no "australia" until whitey came and built it.  Prior to that it was just a mass of land.  Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 3:54pm: Yes, Australia owe me two things, equal and human rights. I never expect more. I pledge my loyalty to this country bring all I have, only thing I expect are equal and human rights. That's why I come here. Despite you're other posts showing you do in fact expect much, much more than this.  You already have "equal" and the same "human rights" as anyone else.  What do you think you're missing out on?

Do you know Freedom of religions is a part of human rights? And my culture is a part of my religion (or belief ).

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 1:26pm:

This is the main reason that there is a separated society. You should try to know the others. Not just wait others to know you. If you don't, you are making the separated society. If you do not try to understand others, you can not blame others. Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 12:48pm: English is the only common language. Everybody should learn it and use it.

There has been a society here before your arrival, created by people you have nothing to do with, on principles that are alien to your culture.

It developed without you into a society that you, growing up in China, wanted to become part of even if it meant leaving China behind and moviong here.

Now that you are here, you want us to help you ease your hidden guilt for turning your back on your own people and their glorious 5000 year civilisation and choosing another, utterly un-Chinese country for entirely selfish reasons, to pursue your own, personal, individual interests. You want us now help you to cover up your own secret shame of shunning of your country and are asking us to respect what you couldn't stick with and so left behind.


Don't be silly.

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:25am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 1:26pm: This is the main reason that there is a separated society. You should try to know the others. Not just wait others to know you. If you don't, you are making the separated society. If you do not try to understand others, you can not blame others. Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 12:48pm: English is the only common language. Everybody should learn it and use it. There has been a society here before your arrival, created by people you have nothing to do with, on principles that are alien to your culture. It developed without you into a society that you, growing up in China, wanted to become part of even if it meant leaving China behind and moviong here. Now that you are here, you want us to help you ease your hidden guilt for turning your back on your own people and their glorious 5000 year civilisation and choosing another, utterly un-Chinese country for entirely selfish reasons, to pursue your own, personal, individual interests. You want us now help you to cover up your own secret shame of shunning of your country and are asking us to respect what you couldn't stick with and so left behind. Don't be silly.

So do you take back what you say about Aboriginals or are you happy to be a major hypocrite?

Bowen wrote on Nov 1^st, 2012 at 5:30pm:

I don't know how many Australian agree your opinion. From my view, I believe it's obvious racialism.

So?  It's still true, and that's what is important

... wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:30am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 5:30pm: I don't know how many Australian agree your opinion. From my view, I believe it's obvious racialism. So?  It's still true, and that's what is important

Quote:

aborgines is not australia culture because there was no "australia" until whitey came and built it.

You couldn't make any more of a non argument.

The society is growing. Before your forefather came to this land,      Aboriginals already have their own society. But obviously the modern Australian society is quite different from the Aboriginal society. Right?

Everybody in this society can change the society a bit. Everybody join this society will bring their own culture to mix here together. That's the basic formula of society development.

There is no and never a fixed society. And there is no pure culture. Not in China, and not in Australia too.

When you ask me to back to China, Please go back to England at first.


Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:25am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 1:26pm: This is the main reason that there is a separated society. You should try to know the others. Not just wait others to know you. If you don't, you are making the separated society. If you do not try to understand others, you can not blame others. Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 12:48pm: English is the only common language. Everybody should learn it and use it. There has been a society here before your arrival, created by people you have nothing to do with, on principles that are alien to your culture. It developed without you into a society that you, growing up in China, wanted to become part of even if it meant leaving China behind and moviong here. Now that you are here, you want us to help you ease your hidden guilt for turning your back on your own people and their glorious 5000 year civilisation and choosing another, utterly un-Chinese country for entirely selfish reasons, to pursue your own, personal, individual interests. You want us now help you to cover up your own secret shame of shunning of your country and are asking us to respect what you couldn't stick with and so left behind. Don't be silly.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:31am:

... wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:30am: Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 5:30pm: I don't know how many Australian agree your opinion. From my view, I believe it's obvious racialism. So?  It's still true, and that's what is important Quote: aborgines is not australia culture because there was no "australia" until whitey came and built it. You couldn't make any more of a non argument.

And yet, it cannot be refuted.  learn to pick your battles a bit more wisely kiddo.

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:35am:

When you ask me to back to China, Please go back to England at first.

Becasue Soren is obviously an english name.  ::)

... wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:38am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:31am: ... wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:30am: Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 5:30pm: I don't know how many Australian agree your opinion. From my view, I believe it's obvious racialism. So?  It's still true, and that's what is important Quote: aborgines is not australia culture because there was no "australia" until whitey came and built it. You couldn't make any more of a non argument. And yet, it cannot be refuted.  learn to pick your battles a bit more wisely kiddo.

Australia is a name, nothing more.
Its laughable to see you say something like that considering the amount of times you have not been able to refute anything I say.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:26am:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:25am: Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 1:26pm: This is the main reason that there is a separated society. You should try to know the others. Not just wait others to know you. If you don't, you are making the separated society. If you do not try to understand others, you can not blame others. Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 12:48pm: English is the only common language. Everybody should learn it and use it. There has been a society here before your arrival, created by people you have nothing to do with, on principles that are alien to your culture. It developed without you into a society that you, growing up in China, wanted to become part of even if it meant leaving China behind and moviong here. Now that you are here, you want us to help you ease your hidden guilt for turning your back on your own people and their glorious 5000 year civilisation and choosing another, utterly un-Chinese country for entirely selfish reasons, to pursue your own, personal, individual interests. You want us now help you to cover up your own secret shame of shunning of your country and are asking us to respect what you couldn't stick with and so left behind. Don't be silly. So do you take back what you say about Aboriginals or are you happy to be a major hypocrite?

Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones.
It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies.

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:44am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:26am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:25am: Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 1:26pm: This is the main reason that there is a separated society. You should try to know the others. Not just wait others to know you. If you don't, you are making the separated society. If you do not try to understand others, you can not blame others. Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 12:48pm: English is the only common language. Everybody should learn it and use it. There has been a society here before your arrival, created by people you have nothing to do with, on principles that are alien to your culture. It developed without you into a society that you, growing up in China, wanted to become part of even if it meant leaving China behind and moviong here. Now that you are here, you want us to help you ease your hidden guilt for turning your back on your own people and their glorious 5000 year civilisation and choosing another, utterly un-Chinese country for entirely selfish reasons, to pursue your own, personal, individual interests. You want us now help you to cover up your own secret shame of shunning of your country and are asking us to respect what you couldn't stick with and so left behind. Don't be silly. So do you take back what you say about Aboriginals or are you happy to be a major hypocrite? Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies.

Strange that all the people from those cultures think exactly the same about their cultures as you do yours...

HA,  finally, you show your true colors.

Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures.

Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia.



Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:44am:

Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:47am:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:44am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:26am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:25am: Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 1:26pm: This is the main reason that there is a separated society. You should try to know the others. Not just wait others to know you. If you don't, you are making the separated society. If you do not try to understand others, you can not blame others. Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 12:48pm: English is the only common language. Everybody should learn it and use it. There has been a society here before your arrival, created by people you have nothing to do with, on principles that are alien to your culture. It developed without you into a society that you, growing up in China, wanted to become part of even if it meant leaving China behind and moviong here. Now that you are here, you want us to help you ease your hidden guilt for turning your back on your own people and their glorious 5000 year civilisation and choosing another, utterly un-Chinese country for entirely selfish reasons, to pursue your own, personal, individual interests. You want us now help you to cover up your own secret shame of shunning of your country and are asking us to respect what you couldn't stick with and so left behind. Don't be silly. So do you take back what you say about Aboriginals or are you happy to be a major hypocrite? Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies. Strange that all the people from those cultures think exactly the same about their cultures as you do yours...

As I'd expect them to.  However, it doesn't explain why they all flock to Europe, the US, canada, australia - all the countries built by those dastardly honkies.  Why do you think they do that? 

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:35am:

The society is growing. Before your forefather came to this land,      Aboriginals already have their own society. But obviously the modern Australian society is quite different from the Aboriginal society. Right? Everybody in this society can change the society a bit. Everybody join this society will bring their own culture to mix here together. That's the basic formula of society development. There is no and never a fixed society. And there is no pure culture. Not in China, and not in Australia too. When you ask me to back to China, Please go back to England at first.

No they didn't. That's not to say that they didn't have a form of order within their tribes, but there was no aboriginal government that ran Australia as a nation.

This is not the first time you have made out that their was an Australian nation that was conquered by the Brits who then called it their own. The British coming here and turning this land into a nation is completely different to the Chinese coming here and slowly taking over the place.   

... wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:52am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:47am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:44am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:26am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:25am: Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 1:26pm: This is the main reason that there is a separated society. You should try to know the others. Not just wait others to know you. If you don't, you are making the separated society. If you do not try to understand others, you can not blame others. Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 12:48pm: English is the only common language. Everybody should learn it and use it. There has been a society here before your arrival, created by people you have nothing to do with, on principles that are alien to your culture. It developed without you into a society that you, growing up in China, wanted to become part of even if it meant leaving China behind and moviong here. Now that you are here, you want us to help you ease your hidden guilt for turning your back on your own people and their glorious 5000 year civilisation and choosing another, utterly un-Chinese country for entirely selfish reasons, to pursue your own, personal, individual interests. You want us now help you to cover up your own secret shame of shunning of your country and are asking us to respect what you couldn't stick with and so left behind. Don't be silly. So do you take back what you say about Aboriginals or are you happy to be a major hypocrite? Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies. Strange that all the people from those cultures think exactly the same about their cultures as you do yours... As I'd expect them to.  However, it doesn't explain why they all flock to Europe, the US, canada, australia - all the countries built by those dastardly honkies.  Why do you think they do that?

Right, economics does. Which just shows how disgusting we are to take advantage of these places for financial gains, and then whinge like pathetic babies when they want an equal share.

Because western countries have better political culture. Just like so many western companies go to China to do business. Because there are more chance to earn money.

Any difference? People go for their own interest. I come here for a better political structure, for a more pure-hearted life and the cost is my chance to earn more money. Fair enough.


... wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:52am:

As I'd expect them to.  However, it doesn't explain why they all flock to Europe, the US, canada, australia - all the countries built by those dastardly honkies.  Why do you think they do that?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:47am:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:44am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:26am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:25am: Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 1:26pm: This is the main reason that there is a separated society. You should try to know the others. Not just wait others to know you. If you don't, you are making the separated society. If you do not try to understand others, you can not blame others. Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 12:48pm: English is the only common language. Everybody should learn it and use it. There has been a society here before your arrival, created by people you have nothing to do with, on principles that are alien to your culture. It developed without you into a society that you, growing up in China, wanted to become part of even if it meant leaving China behind and moviong here. Now that you are here, you want us to help you ease your hidden guilt for turning your back on your own people and their glorious 5000 year civilisation and choosing another, utterly un-Chinese country for entirely selfish reasons, to pursue your own, personal, individual interests. You want us now help you to cover up your own secret shame of shunning of your country and are asking us to respect what you couldn't stick with and so left behind. Don't be silly. So do you take back what you say about Aboriginals or are you happy to be a major hypocrite? Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies. Strange that all the people from those cultures think exactly the same about their cultures as you do yours...

Bollocks. They all want to come to Anglo countries or at least ape them.

Nobody is imitating the Arabs or the Chinese or the Africans, let alone wanting to migrate to them to soak up their superior legal, political, cultural ways.

You always focus on one side of the problem.

Why not see so many western companies in China?




Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:57am:

Bollocks. They all want to come to Anglo countries or at least ape them. Nobody is imitating the Arabs or the Chinese or the Africans, let alone wanting to migrate to them to soak up their superior legal, political, cultural ways.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:56am:

... wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:52am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:47am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:44am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:26am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:25am: Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 1:26pm: This is the main reason that there is a separated society. You should try to know the others. Not just wait others to know you. If you don't, you are making the separated society. If you do not try to understand others, you can not blame others. Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 12:48pm: English is the only common language. Everybody should learn it and use it. There has been a society here before your arrival, created by people you have nothing to do with, on principles that are alien to your culture. It developed without you into a society that you, growing up in China, wanted to become part of even if it meant leaving China behind and moviong here. Now that you are here, you want us to help you ease your hidden guilt for turning your back on your own people and their glorious 5000 year civilisation and choosing another, utterly un-Chinese country for entirely selfish reasons, to pursue your own, personal, individual interests. You want us now help you to cover up your own secret shame of shunning of your country and are asking us to respect what you couldn't stick with and so left behind. Don't be silly. So do you take back what you say about Aboriginals or are you happy to be a major hypocrite? Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies. Strange that all the people from those cultures think exactly the same about their cultures as you do yours... As I'd expect them to.  However, it doesn't explain why they all flock to Europe, the US, canada, australia - all the countries built by those dastardly honkies.  Why do you think they do that?  Right, economics does. Which just shows how disgusting we are to take advantage of these places for financial gains, and then whinge like pathetic babies when they want an equal share.

And what happens when they do? That's right - the "economic" reason ceases to exist.  Look at Europe, look at the US.  I don't know how much longer you can go without facing the truth - societies are a reflection of the people who comprise them.  When people from buggered societies replace the citizens of "good" societies, the previously good society becomes buggered. 

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:57am:

Because western countries have better political culture.

And why do you think that is?

China has been around a lot longer, yet it has a sh!t political culture (which it imported from the West in a very large measure)?  What is it about the Chinese - Arabs, Indians etc - that makes them unable to come up with a good political system?

Make a wild guess.

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Bollocks. They all want to come to Anglo countries or at least ape them. Nobody is imitating the Arabs or the Chinese or the Africans, let alone wanting to migrate to them to soak up their superior legal, political, cultural ways.

Only after we have aped them for economic gain. If we are so great why do we need to take advantage of those inferior peoples you keep talking about??
Nobody is imitating us by choice. They have different legal, political and cultural methods but the fact is they produce exactly the same results. Any problem you accuse them of, we do just the same.

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:59am:

You always focus on one side of the problem. Why not see so many western companies in China? Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:57am: Bollocks. They all want to come to Anglo countries or at least ape them. Nobody is imitating the Arabs or the Chinese or the Africans, let alone wanting to migrate to them to soak up their superior legal, political, cultural ways.

You came here, you say, for the political and legal system and not the money and wealth.

Western companies are in China for the money, not for the superior political and legal system that motivated you.

I am looking at your side of the issue.

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And what happens when they do - that's right - the "economic" reason ceases to exist.  I don't know how much longer you can go without facing the truth - societies are a reflection of the people who comprise them.  When people from buggered societies replace the citizens of "good" societies, the previously good society becomes buggered.

No they don't. I can't think of one societies that accurately reflects the majority of its peoples.
Sorry but our societies have always been buggered, at least for the majority  ;)

Did your forefather come to Australia for following the culture of Aboriginals ? Did the immigrants on the board of MayFlower is to follow Indian's culture?

There are many different reasons for people to move. You are always living in your superior dream.


Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:57am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:47am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:44am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:26am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:25am: Bowen wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 1:26pm: This is the main reason that there is a separated society. You should try to know the others. Not just wait others to know you. If you don't, you are making the separated society. If you do not try to understand others, you can not blame others. Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2012 at 12:48pm: English is the only common language. Everybody should learn it and use it. There has been a society here before your arrival, created by people you have nothing to do with, on principles that are alien to your culture. It developed without you into a society that you, growing up in China, wanted to become part of even if it meant leaving China behind and moviong here. Now that you are here, you want us to help you ease your hidden guilt for turning your back on your own people and their glorious 5000 year civilisation and choosing another, utterly un-Chinese country for entirely selfish reasons, to pursue your own, personal, individual interests. You want us now help you to cover up your own secret shame of shunning of your country and are asking us to respect what you couldn't stick with and so left behind. Don't be silly. So do you take back what you say about Aboriginals or are you happy to be a major hypocrite? Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies. Strange that all the people from those cultures think exactly the same about their cultures as you do yours... Bollocks. They all want to come to Anglo countries or at least ape them. Nobody is imitating the Arabs or the Chinese or the Africans, let alone wanting to migrate to them to soak up their superior legal, political, cultural ways.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:00am:

Quote: Bollocks. They all want to come to Anglo countries or at least ape them. Nobody is imitating the Arabs or the Chinese or the Africans, let alone wanting to migrate to them to soak up their superior legal, political, cultural ways. Only after we have aped them for economic gain. If we are so great why do we need to take advantage of those inferior peoples you keep talking about?? Nobody is imitating us by choice. They have different legal, political and cultural methods but the fact is they produce exactly the same results. Any problem you accuse them of, we do just the same.

Why the bugger do they all want to come here then, if it's no different there???

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:02am:

Quote: And what happens when they do - that's right - the "economic" reason ceases to exist.  I don't know how much longer you can go without facing the truth - societies are a reflection of the people who comprise them.  When people from buggered societies replace the citizens of "good" societies, the previously good society becomes buggered. No they don't. I can't think of one societies that accurately reflects the majority of its peoples.

Of course you can, you just don't want to admit it.   


Quote:

Sorry but our societies have always been buggered, at least for the majority  ;)

yes, but they've been buggered in our own unique way.  If I wanted to live in a country that was buggered in the way that Botswana is buggered, or the way pakistan was buggered I'd move to Botswana or Pakistan.

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:04am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:00am: Quote: Bollocks. They all want to come to Anglo countries or at least ape them. Nobody is imitating the Arabs or the Chinese or the Africans, let alone wanting to migrate to them to soak up their superior legal, political, cultural ways. Only after we have aped them for economic gain. If we are so great why do we need to take advantage of those inferior peoples you keep talking about?? Nobody is imitating us by choice. They have different legal, political and cultural methods but the fact is they produce exactly the same results. Any problem you accuse them of, we do just the same. Why the bugger do they all want to come here then, if it's no different there???

There is certainly an illusion that it is different here, you obviously are inflicted by it. Of course for a small minority it is different but for the majority no.

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:03am:

Did your forefather come to Australia for following the culture of Aboriginals ? Did the immigrants on the board of MayFlower is to follow Indian's culture? There are many different reasons for people to move. You are always living in your superior dream.

What was yours?

What did you find superior in Australia, compared to China?

... wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:05am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:02am: Quote: And what happens when they do - that's right - the "economic" reason ceases to exist.  I don't know how much longer you can go without facing the truth - societies are a reflection of the people who comprise them.  When people from buggered societies replace the citizens of "good" societies, the previously good society becomes buggered. No they don't. I can't think of one societies that accurately reflects the majority of its peoples. Of course you can, you just don't want to admit it.    [quote] Sorry but our societies have always been buggered, at least for the majority  ;)

yes, but they've been buggered in our own unique way.  If I wanted to live in a country that was buggered in the way that Botswana is buggered, or the way pakistan was buggered I'd move to Botswana or Pakistan. [/quote]
Can you give me an example then? I honestly cannot think of one society where the important issues reflect the peoples.

Can you think of any problem they 'inferior peoples' bring that wasn't here already?
Australia will be in a similar economic situation soon so don't worry about airfares.

That's true. That's why I come to this forum. And why I want to join the political living here.

I don't hesitate to learn the good part of your culture. at the same time, I keep the good part of Chinese culture too.

Why not?



Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:02am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:59am: You always focus on one side of the problem. Why not see so many western companies in China? Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:57am: Bollocks. They all want to come to Anglo countries or at least ape them. Nobody is imitating the Arabs or the Chinese or the Africans, let alone wanting to migrate to them to soak up their superior legal, political, cultural ways. You came here, you say, for the political and legal system and not the money and wealth. Western companies are in China for the money, not for the superior political and legal system that motivated you. I am looking at your side of the issue.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:05am:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:04am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:00am: Quote: Bollocks. They all want to come to Anglo countries or at least ape them. Nobody is imitating the Arabs or the Chinese or the Africans, let alone wanting to migrate to them to soak up their superior legal, political, cultural ways. Only after we have aped them for economic gain. If we are so great why do we need to take advantage of those inferior peoples you keep talking about?? Nobody is imitating us by choice. They have different legal, political and cultural methods but the fact is they produce exactly the same results. Any problem you accuse them of, we do just the same. Why the bugger do they all want to come here then, if it's no different there??? There is certainly an illusion that it is different here, you obviously are indicted by it. Of course for a small minority it is different but for the majority no.

Why the bugger are YOU here if in your infinite wisdom if here is no different from anywhere else?


(In every other post you say that the West is worse than anywhere else, but that's another point that would only confuse you).

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:07am:

That's true. That's why I come to this forum. And why I want to join the political living here. I don't hesitate to learn the good part of your culture. at the same time, I keep the good part of Chinese culture too.Why not?

Like what?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:02am:

Quote: And what happens when they do - that's right - the "economic" reason ceases to exist.  I don't know how much longer you can go without facing the truth - societies are a reflection of the people who comprise them.  When people from buggered societies replace the citizens of "good" societies, the previously good society becomes buggered. No they don't. I can't think of one societies that accurately reflects the majority of its peoples. Sorry but our societies have always been buggered, at least for the majority  ;)

Look at refugee stats.

There are no refugees leaving Australia, North America, Europe, Japan.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:07am:

Can you give me an example then? I honestly cannot think of one society where the important issues reflect the peoples.

you seem to be confusing the political scene with the day to day grind.  What the Clowns Club of Canberra are doing has minimal impact on my life compared to what the people I interact with on a day-to-day basis are doing.  Society is more than just politics - it is the people that make it.   

Can you guys answer a question yet?
Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:17am:

Can you guys answer a question yet? Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples?

Sometimes part of being superior is taking advantage of others.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:25am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:17am: Can you guys answer a question yet? Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples? Sometimes part of being superior is taking advantage of others.

You do realise people like you get taken advantage of too, don't you?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:28am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:25am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:17am: Can you guys answer a question yet? Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples? Sometimes part of being superior is taking advantage of others. You do realise people like you get taken advantage of too, don't you?

Everyone does sometimes, that's why it's stupid of you to spend your every waking moment whining about it.  It's just the way it is - deal with it. 

... wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:30am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:28am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:25am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:17am: Can you guys answer a question yet? Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples? Sometimes part of being superior is taking advantage of others. You do realise people like you get taken advantage of too, don't you? Everyone does sometimes, that's why it's stupid of you to spend your every waking moment whining about it.  It's just the way it is - deal with it.

Answer the question pussy.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:31am:

... wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:30am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:28am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:25am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:17am: Can you guys answer a question yet? Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples? Sometimes part of being superior is taking advantage of others. You do realise people like you get taken advantage of too, don't you? Everyone does sometimes, that's why it's stupid of you to spend your every waking moment whining about it.  It's just the way it is - deal with it.  Answer the question pussy.

What did I just do faggot?

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bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:28am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:25am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:17am: Can you guys answer a question yet? Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples? Sometimes part of being superior is taking advantage of others. You do realise people like you get taken advantage of too, don't you?

As Wesley stated above, everyone gets taken advantage of sometime, somewhere.
This is the great difference between the left and the conservatives. Leftists believe that any taking orders or doing anything they don't want is 'oppressive' and therefore evil. Whereas conservatives are much more pragmatic and realistic in that we have to take orders and do things we don't like. That is life.
The idea that 'oppression' is bad, is a cancer; it turns everyone against everyone and turns everyone into narcissistic children.

Chinese produce more than consume. Yes, It is a character of Chinese culture. It is very important for the world. If everybody drunk in the bar, not to work, the world will be broken.

Most of Chinese are not limited by religions which is important for science and technologies research, because Chinese do not fear anything.

And there are many intelligence in the Chinese history of thousands of years. Just like you can find the intelligence from ancient Rome or Greek.

Great arts in Chinese, poem, music, garden, building, many approaches to find and describe the beauty of the world.

There are many others.


Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:09am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:07am: That's true. That's why I come to this forum. And why I want to join the political living here. I don't hesitate to learn the good part of your culture. at the same time, I keep the good part of Chinese culture too.Why not? Like what?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:17am:

Can you guys answer a question yet? Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples?

How can something superior take advantage of something inferior?
A single dog turd can ruin an entire vat of ice cream. How is the ice cream taking advantage of the turd?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:37am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:28am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:25am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:17am: Can you guys answer a question yet? Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples? Sometimes part of being superior is taking advantage of others. You do realise people like you get taken advantage of too, don't you? As Wesley stated above, everyone gets taken advantage of sometime, somewhere. This is the great difference between the left and the conservatives. Leftists believe that any taking orders or doing anything they don't want is 'oppressive' and therefore evil. Whereas conservatives are much more pragmatic and realistic in that we have to take orders and do things we don't like. That is life. The idea that 'oppression' is bad, is a cancer; it turns everyone against everyone and turns everyone into narcissistic children.

If you dont think oppression is bad why dont you go live in afghanistan? Or better yet gaza.

SOB

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 11:58am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:17am: Can you guys answer a question yet? Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples? How can something superior take advantage of something inferior? A single dog turd can ruin an entire vat of ice cream. How is the ice cream taking advantage of the turd?

Your logic is weird and you use weird examples that have no relation to the topic.

AND you are assuming the dog turd is inferior.

Anyway groups of ppl that think they are superior tend to make slaves of groups of ppl they think are inferior. In western culture they just trod on them and rip them off when they know the others have no recourse. In  israel case they "punish" them and kill them and torture them and call it "self defence".

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 12:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:37am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:28am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:25am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:17am: Can you guys answer a question yet? Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples? Sometimes part of being superior is taking advantage of others. You do realise people like you get taken advantage of too, don't you? As Wesley stated above, everyone gets taken advantage of sometime, somewhere. This is the great difference between the left and the conservatives. Leftists believe that any taking orders or doing anything they don't want is 'oppressive' and therefore evil. Whereas conservatives are much more pragmatic and realistic in that we have to take orders and do things we don't like. That is life. The idea that 'oppression' is bad, is a cancer; it turns everyone against everyone and turns everyone into narcissistic children. If you dont think oppression is bad why dont you go live in afghanistan? Or better yet gaza. SOB

'oppression'. Not oppression. Notice the little ' at the beginning and the end. This is why people say you don't understand the context of posts.

Many people today believe that just doing what the boss says; what your parents say; or what the moderator of a forum says; is oppression. Actually it is responsibility and the chain of command, and certain people therefore have the right to have authority over others. That doesn't mean unlimited control as that would be actual oppression. But it doesn't mean that anything but a free for all is oppression. 

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 12:43pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:58am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:17am: Can you guys answer a question yet? Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples? How can something superior take advantage of something inferior? A single dog turd can ruin an entire vat of ice cream. How is the ice cream taking advantage of the turd? Your logic is weird and you use weird examples that have no relation to the topic. AND you are assuming the dog turd is inferior. Anyway groups of ppl that think they are superior tend to make slaves of groups of ppl they think are inferior. In western culture they just trod on them and rip them off when they know the others have no recourse. In  israel case they "punish" them and kill them and torture them and call it "self defence". SOB

And you assume differently....

You are one black person of a pot.

Quantum wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 12:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 12:43pm: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:58am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:17am: Can you guys answer a question yet? Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples? How can something superior take advantage of something inferior? A single dog turd can ruin an entire vat of ice cream. How is the ice cream taking advantage of the turd? Your logic is weird and you use weird examples that have no relation to the topic. AND you are assuming the dog turd is inferior. Anyway groups of ppl that think they are superior tend to make slaves of groups of ppl they think are inferior. In western culture they just trod on them and rip them off when they know the others have no recourse. In  israel case they "punish" them and kill them and torture them and call it "self defence". SOB And you assume differently.... You are one black person of a pot.

Hmmm I have no idea if i should report that or not - is that an insult? What does it mean? Did you drink too much bleach this morning?

SOB

Well I asked my yank mate and he says you have got it wrong and its "black person pot pie" which means fat black woman. Is that what you are trying to call me?

SOB

This is funny now. Keep guessing sunshine.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 1:37pm:

Well I asked my yank mate and he says you have got it wrong and its "black person pot pie" which means fat black woman. Is that what you are trying to call me? SOB

Looks like Chard is almost as dumb as you then. 

... wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 1:59pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 1:37pm: Well I asked my yank mate and he says you have got it wrong and its "black person pot pie" which means fat black woman. Is that what you are trying to call me? SOB Looks like Chard is almost as dumb as you then.

Awww you think you are smart remembering him.. . . .  .

SOB

Quantum wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 1:45pm:

This is funny now. Keep guessing sunshine.

Alright einstein what did it mean then?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 1:18pm:

Hmmm I have no idea if i should report that or not - is that an insult? What does it mean?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Report it. Let nursie know you don't understand.  NURSIE!!

Report everything you don't understand - that way you will never have time to post anything.

Quantum wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 12:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 12:43pm: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:58am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:17am: Can you guys answer a question yet? Why if we are so superior do we need to take advantage of inferior peoples? How can something superior take advantage of something inferior? A single dog turd can ruin an entire vat of ice cream. How is the ice cream taking advantage of the turd? Your logic is weird and you use weird examples that have no relation to the topic. AND you are assuming the dog turd is inferior. Anyway groups of ppl that think they are superior tend to make slaves of groups of ppl they think are inferior. In western culture they just trod on them and rip them off when they know the others have no recourse. In  israel case they "punish" them and kill them and torture them and call it "self defence". SOB And you assume differently.... You are one black person of a pot.

Where did i assume anything?

SOB

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 1:18pm: Hmmm I have no idea if i should report that or not - is that an insult? What does it mean?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Report it. Let nursie know you don't understand.  NURSIE!! Report everything you don't understand - that way you will never have time to post anything.

Obviously you have no argument or anything to contribute to the discussion so are resorting to this crap again.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 4:13pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 1:18pm: Hmmm I have no idea if i should report that or not - is that an insult? What does it mean?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Report it. Let nursie know you don't understand.  NURSIE!! Report everything you don't understand - that way you will never have time to post anything. Obviously you have no argument or anything to contribute to the discussion so are resorting to this crap again. SOB

;D ;D ;D
Compared to your usual contribution?


Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 1:18pm:

Hmmm I have no idea if i should report that or not - is that an insult? What does it mean? Did you drink too much bleach this morning? SOB

Really deep and well-considered and thoughtful - just what we have come to expect from you.


I can see a pattern there - I have highlighted it for you. Why don't you go and tell Nursie that I quoted you back to you and made fun of you and of what you have said with a straight face. It will make her really cross and she will give you a lolly, pat your head and say 'there, there'.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Obviously you have no argument or anything to contribute to the discussion so are resorting to this crap again. SOB

Says, SPOT the philosopher.





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10,034 posts in 7 months on OzPol.

Quantity, not quality, imo.








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SOB turns up - thread's buggered.

Soren wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:49am:

SOB turns up - thread's buggered.

Now, she will blame me!            ::)           :(

Bowen wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 10:51am:

HA,  finally, you show your true colors. Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures. Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia. Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:44am: Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies.

HA indeed.

You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise.

Actually, I like western culture, but not the part you showed me.


Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:27am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:51am: HA,  finally, you show your true colors. Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures. Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia. Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:44am: Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies. HA indeed. You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise.

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2012 at 8:54pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 4:17pm: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 4:13pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 1:18pm: Hmmm I have no idea if i should report that or not - is that an insult? What does it mean?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Report it. Let nursie know you don't understand.  NURSIE!! Report everything you don't understand - that way you will never have time to post anything. Obviously you have no argument or anything to contribute to the discussion so are resorting to this crap again. SOB ;D ;D ;D Compared to your usual contribution? Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 1:18pm: Hmmm I have no idea if i should report that or not - is that an insult? What does it mean? Did you drink too much bleach this morning? SOB Really deep and well-considered and thoughtful - just what we have come to expect from you. I can see a pattern there - I have highlighted it for you. Why don't you go and tell Nursie that I quoted you back to you and made fun of you and of what you have said with a straight face. It will make her really cross and she will give you a lolly, pat your head and say 'there, there'.

Replying to crap tends to end up crap also. You poison everything you go near.

SOB

Bowen wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Actually, I like western culture, but not the part you showed me. Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2012 at 11:27am: Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:51am: HA,  finally, you show your true colors. Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures. Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia. Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:44am: Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies. HA indeed. You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise.

We are not talking about 'liking' cultures - that's how tourists look at them -, we are talking about ranking them in order of value.

I say that Western culture is superior to others. You also think that - you have chosen it above your own Chinese culture. But you also feel guilty about ranking another culture above your own so you pretend that your choice of coming to the West is not an act of voting it to be a superior culture, when it very obviously is.

You have voted with your feet by coming here.

Following your way, I can say I am superior to you. I'm good, you are bad. I think both of us know it. You just show your dread. Because you do not have confidence to compete with me under the equal rules.

Do not hide yourself in "western culture". In any culture, there are good people and bad people.

You are not the representative of western culture.




Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 4th, 2012 at 11:47am: Actually, I like western culture, but not the part you showed me. Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2012 at 11:27am: Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:51am: HA,  finally, you show your true colors. Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures. Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia. Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:44am: Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies. HA indeed. You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise. We are not talking about 'liking' cultures - that's how tourists look at them -, we are talking about ranking them in order of value. I say that Western culture is superior to others. You also think that - you have chosen it above your own Chinese culture. But you also feel guilty about ranking another culture above your own so you pretend that your choice of coming to the West is not an act of voting it to be a superior culture, when it very obviously is. You have voted with your feet by coming here.

Bowen wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Actually, I like western culture, but not the part you showed me. Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2012 at 11:27am: Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:51am: HA,  finally, you show your true colors. Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures. Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia. Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:44am: Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies. HA indeed. You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise.

Wot Soren said.



Many as those who are critical of us ['Westerners'], and are want to call us racists and bigots, will, it seems, do almost anything to come to the 'West' [to escape living in their own NOT 'Western', hell holes!~].

And then they will complain, because we want them to be like us,          and because we criticise and reject, many of the worst aspects of their failed culture.

Illogical!




e.g.


Quote:

May 18, 2011 Daily Telegraph- Sharia already in Sydney, say Muslim leaders [in the article comments, by 'Bill'; "Muslims fled a failed culture which they want to introduce into Australia.....There is a chasm between the public relations spin of Muslim groups and reality!"]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/sharia-law-applied-secretly-in-sydney/story-e6freuzr-1226057896078

I think you can criticise the worst part of any culture. Just like I point out the bad part of western culture. But you should not criticise any culture only because it's different from you. Just like I learn the good part of western culture.


Yadda wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 4th, 2012 at 11:47am: Actually, I like western culture, but not the part you showed me. Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2012 at 11:27am: Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:51am: HA,  finally, you show your true colors. Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures. Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia. Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:44am: Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies. HA indeed. You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise. Wot Soren said. Many as those who are critical of us ['Westerners'], and are want to call us racists and bigots, will, it seems, do almost anything to come to the 'West' [to escape living in their own NOT 'Western', hell holes!~]. And then they will complain, because we want them to be like us,          and because we criticise and reject, many of the worst aspects of their failed culture. Illogical! e.g. Quote: May 18, 2011 Daily Telegraph- Sharia already in Sydney, say Muslim leaders [in the article comments, by 'Bill'; "Muslims fled a failed culture which they want to introduce into Australia.....There is a chasm between the public relations spin of Muslim groups and reality!"] http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/sharia-law-applied-secretly-in-sydney/story-e6freuzr-1226057896078

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

I think you can criticise the worst part of any culture. Just like I point out the bad part of western culture. But you should not criticise any culture only because it's different from you. Just like I learn the good part of western culture. Yadda wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 12:22pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 4th, 2012 at 11:47am: Actually, I like western culture, but not the part you showed me. Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2012 at 11:27am: Bowen wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:51am: HA,  finally, you show your true colors. Different cultures have different good part and bad part. (You are showing the bad part of western culture to me.) The only way to build a whole society is to merge the good parts from different cultures. Your superior belief is the reason to make the society separated. You can keep blaming if you like, but finally, you won't get what you want. You just damage the society of Australia. Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:44am: Australia is not built on the foundation of Aboriginal stone age customs and beliefs. Nor on Chinese customs, nor any other Asian ones. It is built entirely on British political, legal, cultural foundations. That's what makes it great. That's what makes it superior to Aboriginal, Chinese, Arab, Indonesian, Japanese, African societies. HA indeed. You also think Western civilisation is superior - you wouldn't have moved here otherwise. Wot Soren said. Many as those who are critical of us ['Westerners'], and are want to call us racists and bigots, will, it seems, do almost anything to come to the 'West' [to escape living in their own NOT 'Western', hell holes!~]. And then they will complain, because we want them to be like us,          and because we criticise and reject, many of the worst aspects of their failed culture. Illogical! e.g. Quote: May 18, 2011 Daily Telegraph- Sharia already in Sydney, say Muslim leaders [in the article comments, by 'Bill'; "Muslims fled a failed culture which they want to introduce into Australia.....There is a chasm between the public relations spin of Muslim groups and reality!"] http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/sharia-law-applied-secretly-in-sydney/story-e6freuzr-1226057896078

People should feel  free to criticize multiculturalism if they don't like it. Just be respectful and leave out the blatant racism. They never asked the Australian people if they wanted it after all.

Of course, people have the rights to criticize any policies.

However, I believe some of the guys who against multiculturalism are because their racism.


Big Dave wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

People should feel  free to criticize multiculturalism if they don't like it. Just be respectful and leave out the blatant racism. They never asked the Australian people if they wanted it after all.

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

Of course, people have the rights to criticize any policies. However, I believe some of the guys who against multiculturalism are because their racism.

Again, you say one thing and then another.

So far you have accused everyone who has criticized multiculturalism as racist. You keep saying to get over it and accept the new world order of things, and if we don't, it is our fault for a "separated society". You have not thought it right for anyone to take issue with the flocks of foreigners coming out here. Instead, you just play the racist card every time.

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 10:35am: Of course, people have the rights to criticize any policies. However, I believe some of the guys who against multiculturalism are because their racism. Again, you say one thing and then another. So far you have accused everyone who has criticized multiculturalism as racist. You keep saying to get over it and accept the new world order of things, and if we don't, it is our fault for a "separated society". You have not thought it right for anyone to take issue with the flocks of foreigners coming out here. Instead, you just play the racist card every time.

Do you have the same problem with flocks of British/European foreigners as you do with, say, Africans or Indians?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:32am:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 11:29am: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 10:35am: Of course, people have the rights to criticize any policies. However, I believe some of the guys who against multiculturalism are because their racism. Again, you say one thing and then another. So far you have accused everyone who has criticized multiculturalism as racist. You keep saying to get over it and accept the new world order of things, and if we don't, it is our fault for a "separated society". You have not thought it right for anyone to take issue with the flocks of foreigners coming out here. Instead, you just play the racist card every time. Do you have the same problem with flocks of British/European foreigners as you do with, say, Africans or Indians?

British/european foreigners don't/can't play the race card.  Comparison is invalid.

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

I think you can criticise the worst part of any culture. Just like I point out the bad part of western culture. But you should not criticise any culture only because it's different from you. Just like I learn the good part of western culture.

You cannot be critical from looking at something from nowhere in particular.

The point is that you can criticise a culture only from the perspective of a culture - it can be the same culture or a different one.



And to criticise something, you must first perceive a difference. To perceive a difference you must have a scale of quality for the characteristic you criticise.
That scale, then, is of your own culture's scale, or rather your personal understanding of your own culture's values.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:32am:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 11:29am: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 10:35am: Of course, people have the rights to criticize any policies. However, I believe some of the guys who against multiculturalism are because their racism. Again, you say one thing and then another. So far you have accused everyone who has criticized multiculturalism as racist. You keep saying to get over it and accept the new world order of things, and if we don't, it is our fault for a "separated society". You have not thought it right for anyone to take issue with the flocks of foreigners coming out here. Instead, you just play the racist card every time. Do you have the same problem with flocks of British/European foreigners as you do with, say, Africans or Indians?

I would have the same issue if a German came out here and said; "ze auzzy hav nein culture. I rafuzz ta speaks ze engvish". This is about culture, not race. And it is about people who come here who demand respect and changes to accommodate their culture, while refusing to acknowledge that Australias have one of their own.

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

Of course, people have the rights to criticize any policies. However, I believe some of the guys who against multiculturalism are because their racism. Big Dave wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 9:32am: People should feel  free to criticize multiculturalism if they don't like it. Just be respectful and leave out the blatant racism. They never asked the Australian people if they wanted it after all.

Some people are racist no doubt. Maybe some people see a future divided Australia with  states built along religious and ethnic lines. Maybe some see our culture and heritage destroyed by multiculturalism. Maybe some Australians have seen the suburbs go down to toilet because because of ethnic violence. Me personally I think it's a bad idea to fill your country up with people that have nothing in common. Division causes wars.

That's the real point. That's why I believe people (Anglo-Saxon, Muslim, European, Chinese, and any other people) should learn how to live with different cultures.

There is always difference. How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve.


Big Dave wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:07pm:

Some people are racist no doubt. Maybe some people see a future divided Australia with  states built along religious and ethnic lines. Maybe some see our culture and heritage destroyed by multiculturalism. Maybe some Australians have seen the suburbs go down to toilet because because of ethnic violence. Me personally I think it's a bad idea to fill your country up with people that have nothing in common. Division causes wars.

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

However, I believe some of the guys who against multiculturalism are because their racism.

I am not against multiculturalism if the newer cultures are compatible with other cultures it has nothing to do with racism.

Islam is the only incompatible culture we have here, they want their own laws which are not compatible with the Universal declaration of human rights.
Islamic ideology is not compatible with the Universal declaration of human rights.

That said i think the Hindu do a great job with integrating here by making no demands on the host culture to accomodate their beliefs, they are usually employed, they dont get into trouble and if the Hindu ever make headlines they are usually the victims.

We have Chinatown in Sydney which attracts non chinese people for a feed, i have enjoyed many feasts while celebrating the Chinese new year.

Leichardt is known for the Italians,Norton st is vibrant and a credit to the Italian community.

For me Islam is Arab culture which is the only non compatible culture we have in Australia.

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve.

That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse. 

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

That's the real point. That's why I believe people (Anglo-Saxon, Muslim, European, Chinese, and any other people) should learn how to live with different cultures. There is always difference. How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve.

When in Rome, do as the Romans.

I don't think you can improve on that advice.

Australia is not Rome. And I'm not from the nations that Roman conquered.

Do you understand the difference?

Did Roman do as Celtics in Britain?

What you expect is not equal. I believe you understand. You just do not admit because you want to hide your racism.


Soren wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:25pm: That's the real point. That's why I believe people (Anglo-Saxon, Muslim, European, Chinese, and any other people) should learn how to live with different cultures. There is always difference. How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve. When in Rome, do as the Romans. I don't think you can improve on that advice.

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:25pm: How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve. That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse.

Three Holders of British passports  tourists (of Pakistani and Somali background) 'armed with flick-knives and knuckles dusters' in custody over Cyprus murder of UK soldier the day before his deployment to Afghanistan

A teenage gang of UK tourists armed with flick-knives and knuckle dusters stalked British soldiers around the night spots of Cyprus while high on drugs and looking for a fight, a court heard today.

Mohammed Abdulkadir Osman told police he was holding the blade that killed 19-year-old fusilier David Collins but claimed he was acting in self-defence. Osman, 19, from London, confessed to buying 11 flick-knives and two brass knuckle dusters in the popular holiday resort of Ayia Napa. He also admitted possession of a quantity of high-strength cannabis.

And he admitted that he and friends Tukki Abbas Shah, 18, and a 17-year-old who cannot be named for legal reasons had had a previous altercation with off-duty soldier Private Collins and three of his comrades before the fatal fight in a nightclub in the early hours of Sunday morning.

But he maintained that Mr Collins, 19, from Manchester, had 'jumped onto the blade' which Osman had drawn in an attempt to ward off the soldier, who was enjoying a last night out before being sent to Afghanistan.


Race and culture have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.

If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon).

Why you or your forefather came to Australia?


... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:25pm: How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve. That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse.

Do you understand. I'm here in peace. And you are forcing me to hate you. You are forcing all the people with different cultures to hate you while they are learning the good part of western culture.

But I won't hate you. I just pity you.


Soren wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:52pm:

... wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:28pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:25pm: How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve. That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse.  Three Holders of British passports  tourists (of Pakistani and Somali background) 'armed with flick-knives and knuckles dusters' in custody over Cyprus murder of UK soldier the day before his deployment to Afghanistan A teenage gang of UK tourists armed with flick-knives and knuckle dusters stalked British soldiers around the night spots of Cyprus while high on drugs and looking for a fight, a court heard today. Mohammed Abdulkadir Osman told police he was holding the blade that killed 19-year-old fusilier David Collins but claimed he was acting in self-defence. Osman, 19, from London, confessed to buying 11 flick-knives and two brass knuckle dusters in the popular holiday resort of Ayia Napa. He also admitted possession of a quantity of high-strength cannabis. And he admitted that he and friends Tukki Abbas Shah, 18, and a 17-year-old who cannot be named for legal reasons had had a previous altercation with off-duty soldier Private Collins and three of his comrades before the fatal fight in a nightclub in the early hours of Sunday morning. But he maintained that Mr Collins, 19, from Manchester, had 'jumped onto the blade' which Osman had drawn in an attempt to ward off the soldier, who was enjoying a last night out before being sent to Afghanistan. Race and culture have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:31pm:

Australia is not Rome. And I'm not from the nations that Roman conquered. Do you understand the difference? Did Roman do as Celtics in Britain? What you expect is not equal. I believe you understand. You just do not admit because you want to hide your racism. Quote: When in Rome, do as the Romans. I don't think you can improve on that advice.

:D :D :D

Well, AUstralia is not China, either. Or Araby or Italy for that matter.

And if you came to Australia for the Aboriginal cultural enrichment, you shouldn't be on the computer in the big city but out in the country learning bushcraft.

But no.

You came for the Western cultural enrichment. Well, participate in it, you wanted it. You can always be Chinese in China. Be a Roman in Rome and an Australian in Australia.



Anyway, tell us, which culture says we are equal? Chinese or Australian/Western?

Yes, Australia is not China, nor Britain. Australia is Australia with the people from all over the world.

Yes, I like the good part of western culture and learn it. I have my rights and regard my obligation. That's all.



Soren wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:59pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:31pm: Australia is not Rome. And I'm not from the nations that Roman conquered. Do you understand the difference? Did Roman do as Celtics in Britain? What you expect is not equal. I believe you understand. You just do not admit because you want to hide your racism. Quote: When in Rome, do as the Romans. I don't think you can improve on that advice. :D :D :D Well, AUstralia is not China, either. Or Araby or Italy for that matter. And if you came to Australia for the Aboriginal cultural enrichment, you shouldn't be on the computer in the big city but out in the country learning bushcraft. But no. You came for the Western cultural enrichment. Well, participate in it, you wanted it. You can always be Chinese in China. Be a Roman in Rome and an Australian in Australia. Anyway, tell us, which culture says we are equal? Chinese or Australian/Western?

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

That's the real point. That's why I believe people (Anglo-Saxon, Muslim, European, Chinese, and any other people) should learn how to live with different cultures. There is always difference. How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve. Big Dave wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:07pm: Some people are racist no doubt. Maybe some people see a future divided Australia with  states built along religious and ethnic lines. Maybe some see our culture and heritage destroyed by multiculturalism. Maybe some Australians have seen the suburbs go down to toilet because because of ethnic violence. Me personally I think it's a bad idea to fill your country up with people that have nothing in common. Division causes wars.

Division in Australia isn't just a white issue you know. People pretty much stick with their own religion, race or culture.You won't see many Chinese letting aussies work in their restaurants in Chinatown Sydney.  Sydney is a very separated Sydney. People not being able to speak english is one of the reasons. The have to live in enclaves to function.

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon). Why you or your forefather came to Australia? ... wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:28pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:25pm: How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve. That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse.

Why should I?  The culture here is based on european cultures = not alien. 

Yes, I agree with the highlight sentence. The problem is not only white people but also Chinese, Muslim and people with other cultures.

However, Chinese restaurants are not good examples. Just like an Australia employer won't recruit me to be a seller. Waiters in Chinese restaurants need to speak Chinese in most conditions. If most of the customers are English speaker, I believe the restaurants will hire more English speaking waiters.

Can I say an employer refuse to accept me as a seller because my poor English is racism? No, I can not.

Anyway, I agree that any races have some racists. We need to be together to against all of them.


Big Dave wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:25pm: That's the real point. That's why I believe people (Anglo-Saxon, Muslim, European, Chinese, and any other people) should learn how to live with different cultures. There is always difference. How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve. Big Dave wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:07pm: Some people are racist no doubt. Maybe some people see a future divided Australia with  states built along religious and ethnic lines. Maybe some see our culture and heritage destroyed by multiculturalism. Maybe some Australians have seen the suburbs go down to toilet because because of ethnic violence. Me personally I think it's a bad idea to fill your country up with people that have nothing in common. Division causes wars. Division in Australia isn't just a white issue you know. People pretty much stick with their own religion, race or culture.You won't see many Chinese letting aussies work in their restaurants in Chinatown Sydney.  Sydney is a very separated Sydney. People not being able to speak english is one of the reasons. The have to live in enclaves to function.

That's your dream.


... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon). Why you or your forefather came to Australia? ... wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:28pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:25pm: How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve. That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse.  Why should I?  The culture here is based on european cultures = not alien.

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon). Why you or your forefather came to Australia?

They didn't come to Australia to live in aboriginal skyscrapers and drive down aboriginal highways. The Europeans built this nations into what it is today. Now that it is one of the most advance nations on earth you want to come here to. Don't pretend that it is the same thing.

Then why you believe I can not contribute to build a better Australia with the good part of my own culture?

Both you and me come to build a good Australia. Each culture has its good part. And I come in peace under the law.



Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:21pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon). Why you or your forefather came to Australia? They didn't come to Australia to live in aboriginal skyscrapers and drive down aboriginal highways. The Europeans built this nations into what it is today. Now that it is one of the most advance nations on earth you want to come here to. Don't pretend that it is the same thing.

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Yes, I agree with the highlight sentence. The problem is not only white people but also Chinese, Muslim and people with other cultures. However, Chinese restaurants are not good examples. Just like an Australia employer won't recruit me to be a seller. Waiters in Chinese restaurants need to speak Chinese in most conditions. If most of the customers are English speaker, I believe the restaurants will hire more English speaking waiters. Can I say an employer refuse to accept me as a seller because my poor English is racism? No, I can not. Anyway, I agree that any races have some racists. We need to be together to against all of them.

Why would Chinese waiters need to speak Chinese if everyone in the nation knows English? If there are Chinese who can't speak English I guess it is because they want a "separated society".

Why not Chinese customer speak Chinese when they get service? 

I said many times. Speak my native language is my human rights.

Do you understand?


Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:16pm: Yes, I agree with the highlight sentence. The problem is not only white people but also Chinese, Muslim and people with other cultures. However, Chinese restaurants are not good examples. Just like an Australia employer won't recruit me to be a seller. Waiters in Chinese restaurants need to speak Chinese in most conditions. If most of the customers are English speaker, I believe the restaurants will hire more English speaking waiters. Can I say an employer refuse to accept me as a seller because my poor English is racism? No, I can not. Anyway, I agree that any races have some racists. We need to be together to against all of them. Why would Chinese waiters need to speak Chinese if everyone in the nation knows English? If there are Chinese who can't speak English I guess it is because they want a "separated society".

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

That's your dream. ... wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:10pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon). Why you or your forefather came to Australia? ... wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:28pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:25pm: How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve. That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse.  Why should I?  The culture here is based on european cultures = not alien.

No, it's reality. 

You are still living in 19th century.


... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:17pm: That's your dream. ... wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:10pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon). Why you or your forefather came to Australia? ... wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:28pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:25pm: How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve. That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse.  Why should I?  The culture here is based on european cultures = not alien.  No, it's reality.

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

You are still living in 19th century. ... wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:29pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:17pm: That's your dream. ... wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:10pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon). Why you or your forefather came to Australia? ... wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:28pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:25pm: How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve. That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse.  Why should I?  The culture here is based on european cultures = not alien.  No, it's reality.

That doesn't even make sense. 

Do you really think Australia is based on aboriginal culture?  Not a whole lot to support that hare-brained assumption is there? So what, if not european cultures, is australian based on?  Well, it was built by europeans and was until recently overhwlemingly populated by europeans, so it stands to reason that the cultural values they brought with them will be _________? 

Fill in the blank for me would you?

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Then why you believe I can not contribute to build a better Australia with the good part of my own culture? Quantum wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:21pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon). Why you or your forefather came to Australia? They didn't come to Australia to live in aboriginal skyscrapers and drive down aboriginal highways. The Europeans built this nations into what it is today. Now that it is one of the most advance nations on earth you want to come here to. Don't pretend that it is the same thing.

Because you have nothing to offer. What can you give that we don't have anyway? We already have your fwied wice, what else are you going to bring to us? Electricity? Sewage treatment? Roads? What the hell do you have to offer?

You come here, learn in our universities how to do stuff, then want to pretend that you have something to offer your teachers. You have nothing that will make the nation better. All you can do in not integrate; turn our suburbs into mini clones of china full of Chinese people speaking and living like the Chinese in their home country, and therefor create "the separated society".

What exactly do you offer? Specifically!

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:28pm:

Why not Chinese customer speak Chinese when they get service?  I said many times. Speak my native language is my human rights. Do you understand?

Because we are in an English speaking country. Do you understand? If you want to have restaurants in this nation, then you can not expect to only serve Chinese people. If you want Chinese customers, go to china.

What you said only shows you do not understand the world.

It's 21st century. Australia is a part of the world, not on the Mars.

Fortunately, not all people in Australia think like you. Otherwise Australia will be a close country which draggles from the world.   


Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:25pm: Then why you believe I can not contribute to build a better Australia with the good part of my own culture? Quantum wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:21pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon). Why you or your forefather came to Australia? They didn't come to Australia to live in aboriginal skyscrapers and drive down aboriginal highways. The Europeans built this nations into what it is today. Now that it is one of the most advance nations on earth you want to come here to. Don't pretend that it is the same thing. Because you have nothing to offer. What can you give that we don't have anyway? We already have your fwied wice, what else are you going to bring to us? Electricity? Sewage treatment? Roads? What the hell do you have to offer? You come here, learn in our universities how to do stuff, then want to pretend that you have something to offer your teachers. You have nothing that will make the nation better. All you can do in not integrate; turn our suburbs into mini clones of china full of Chinese people speaking and living like the Chinese in their home country, and therefor create "the separated society". What exactly do you offer? Specifically!

I'm sorry. living in any culture is my human rights.

You never understand.


Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:36pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:28pm: Why not Chinese customer speak Chinese when they get service?  I said many times. Speak my native language is my human rights. Do you understand? Because we are in an English speaking country. Do you understand? If you want to have restaurants in this nation, then you can not expect to only serve Chinese people. If you want Chinese customers, go to china.

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

living in any culture is my human rights.

No it isn't! 
Just naming something you find desirable doesn't make it your 'right'. 

Australia start from aboriginal culture. Your forefather were immigrants (if not invaders).

I respect the good part of your culture. I agree it built a better Australia. However, it can not monopolize the culture of Australia. There are many other cultures with good part that can build a better Australia. The competition and amalgamation in peace between cultures are healthy for a society.

Why you fear the competition in peace?


... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:30pm: You are still living in 19th century. ... wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:29pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:17pm: That's your dream. ... wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:10pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon). Why you or your forefather came to Australia? ... wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:28pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:25pm: How to avoid the difference to make the division is the main problem we need to solve. That's the easiest problem in the world to solve - don't import people from alien cultures en masse.  Why should I?  The culture here is based on european cultures = not alien.  No, it's reality.  That doesn't even make sense.  Do you really think Australia is based on aboriginal culture?  Not a whole lot to support that hare-brained assumption is there? So what, if not european cultures, is australian based on?  Well, it was built by europeans and was until recently overhwlemingly populated by europeans, so it stands to reason that the cultural values they brought with them will be _________?  Fill in the blank for me would you?

Bowen wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:39pm:

What you said only shows you do not understand the world. It's 21st century. Australia is a part of the world, not on the Mars. Fortunately, not all people in Australia think like you. Otherwise Australia will be a close country which draggles from the world.    Quantum wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:33pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:25pm: Then why you believe I can not contribute to build a better Australia with the good part of my own culture? Quantum wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:21pm: Bowen wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: If that, please go back to Europe (while you told me you are not Anglo-Saxon). Why you or your forefather came to Australia? They didn't come to Australia to live in aboriginal skyscrapers and drive down aboriginal highways. The Europeans built this nations into what it is today. Now that it is one of the most advance nations on earth you want to come here to. Don't pretend that it is the same thing. Because you have nothing to offer. What can you give that we don't have anyway? We already have your fwied wice, what else are you going to bring to us? Electricity? Sewage treatment? Roads? What the hell do you have to offer? You come here, learn in our universities how to do stuff, then want to pretend that you have something to offer your teachers. You have nothing that will make the nation better. All you can do in not integrate; turn our suburbs into mini clones of china full of Chinese people speaking and living like the Chinese in their home country, and therefor create "the separated society". What exactly do you offer? Specifically!

Again you give no information. What does your culture give Australia? Give specifics! What is it that makes the Australians who were born here better off because you came here?