Muslims Promote Genocide - Revision history

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	Islam compels Muslims to support genocide, because Muhammad and the 'rightly guided' Caliphs who followed him used genocide and ethnic cleansing to establish the first Islamic state.		Islam compels Muslims to support genocide, because Muhammad and the 'rightly guided' Caliphs who followed him used genocide and ethnic cleansing to establish the first Islamic state. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1543371381]

	Muslims have offered an extraordinary range of implausible and amoral arguments in an attempt to justify and support Muhammad's genocide of the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe of Medina, the expulsion of the other two large Jewish tribes from Medina, and the broader ethnic cleansing that followed shortly after Muhammad's death, under Muhammad's instructions. Some examples from a single Muslim on the forum, probably the most progressive of them all and a self described 'reformer', are provided below. Other Muslims on the forum have produced remarkably consistent arguments. There is little or no historical support for most of these arguments, and historical sources are often provided that do not actually support the claims made. It is unclear where this misinformation actually comes from.		Muslims have offered an extraordinary range of implausible and amoral arguments in an attempt to justify and support Muhammad's genocide of the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe of Medina, the expulsion of the other two large Jewish tribes from Medina, and the broader ethnic cleansing that followed shortly after Muhammad's death, under Muhammad's instructions. Some examples from a single Muslim on the forum, probably the most progressive of them all and a self described 'reformer', are provided below. Other Muslims on the forum have produced remarkably consistent arguments. There is little or no historical support for most of these arguments, and historical sources are often provided that do not actually support the claims made. It is unclear where this misinformation actually comes from.

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Genocide of the Banu Qurayza

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	* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1490870704 Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims]		* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1490870704 Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims]
	* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464336968 a mindless collective of treacherous Jews]		* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464336968 a mindless collective of treacherous Jews]
			* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1503024544 Islam-inspired racism]
	* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1486610591/9#9 How to spinelessly apologise for racism]		* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1486610591/9#9 How to spinelessly apologise for racism]
	* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1463911375/22#22 A plucky young Muslima]		* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1463911375/22#22 A plucky young Muslima]

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	Islam compels Muslims to support genocide, because Muhammad and the 'rightly guided' Caliphs who followed him used genocide and ethnic cleansing to establish the first Islamic state.		Islam compels Muslims to support genocide, because Muhammad and the 'rightly guided' Caliphs who followed him used genocide and ethnic cleansing to establish the first Islamic state.

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 = Excuses =
-The excuses and justifications offered for this event range from misrepresenting the historical facts to the implausible and fanciful. Muslims will attempt to attribute these outlandish claims to genuine historians. When the claims are proven to be false, they tend to rapidly alter the argument being made, eventually falling back on denying it happened at all and insisting that it is a Jewish conspiracy, or that because some of the contemporary documentation comes from Jews it must automatically be discounted. Below are a few examples, all from the same Muslim.
+The excuses and justifications offered for this event range from misrepresenting the historical facts to the implausible and fanciful. Muslims will attempt to attribute these outlandish claims to genuine historians. When the claims are proven to be false, they tend to rapidly alter the argument being made, eventually falling back on denying it happened at all and insisting that it is a Jewish conspiracy, or that because some of the contemporary documentation comes from Jews it must automatically be discounted. In the sections below are a few examples, all from the same Muslim.
 == Genocide of the Banu Qurayza ==

Freediver at 11:42, 2 April 2017

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Actual Hostilities

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	The Jews were not POWs (and by implication, not subject to our abhorrence at slaughtering POWs) because they did not officially reneg on the treaty (the one that does not actually exist) and declare their succession from the Islamic state (ie their own city, that Muhammad was trying to gain control of by slaughtering them).		The Jews were not POWs (and by implication, not subject to our abhorrence at slaughtering POWs) because they did not officially reneg on the treaty (the one that does not actually exist) and declare their succession from the Islamic state (ie their own city, that Muhammad was trying to gain control of by slaughtering them).
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1396691862/21#21]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1396691862/21#21]
			Hypocrisy: When Muhammad was a victim of mistreatment by his own family in Mecca, this constituted a declaration of war by the city of Mecca against Muslims, which justified Muhammad's lengthy career robbing Meccan caravans and murdering Meccan traders.
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374276604/158#158]

	=== Jews Intended Genocide ===		=== Jews Intended Genocide ===

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Muhammad had no Power

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Context

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	=== Context ===		=== Context ===

	The idea that the 'context' renders Muhammad's actions morally acceptable is effectively an effort to drown the issue in details, and also to blatantly misrepresent those historical details in a large number of ways in order to make ti appear that Muhammad had no choice. In reality, all Muhammad had to do to stop the ~~Maccans~~ attacking him was to stop robbing their trade caravans. The real context is that Muhamamd was on a quest for political power and did whatever it took to gain it.		The idea that the 'context' renders Muhammad's actions morally acceptable is effectively an effort to drown the issue in details, and also to blatantly misrepresent those historical details in a large number of ways in order to make it appear that Muhammad had no choice. In reality, all Muhammad had to do to stop the Meccans attacking him was to stop robbing their trade caravans. The real context is that Muhamamd was on a quest for political power and did whatever it took to gain it.

	You have to consider the historical context of Muhammad's genocide.		You have to consider the historical context of Muhammad's genocide.
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	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1372771765/63#63]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1372771765/63#63]
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1372771765/71#71]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1372771765/71#71]

			Conceding that the 'state of war' was entirely attributable to Muhammad robbing Meccan caravans.
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374276604/129#129]

	=== Moral Equivalence ===		=== Moral Equivalence ===

Freediver at 10:56, 30 March 2017

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	Islam compels Muslims to support genocide, because Muhammad and the 'rightly guided' Caliphs who followed him used genocide and ethnic cleansing to establish the first Islamic state.		Islam compels Muslims to support genocide, because Muhammad and the 'rightly guided' Caliphs who followed him used genocide and ethnic cleansing to establish the first Islamic state.

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	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1463911375/80#80]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1463911375/80#80]
	Some of the 'quote bombs':		Some of the 'quote bombs':
			* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1490870704 Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims]
	* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464336968 a mindless collective of treacherous Jews]		* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464336968 a mindless collective of treacherous Jews]
	* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1486610591/9#9 How to spinelessly apologise for racism]		* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1486610591/9#9 How to spinelessly apologise for racism]
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	=== Jews Intended Genocide ===		=== Jews Intended Genocide ===

			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1490870704 Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims]

	Another recurring theme is that the Jews and their allies intended genocide of the Muslims. There is absolutely no evidence for this claim and it would be out of character for the people and the time period. It is a complete fabrication. The Meccans, with whom the Jews are accused of conspiring, went home after one earlier battle, despite being in a position to press their advantage, because they believed Muhammad had been killed and that this would be sufficient to stop Muhammad raiding their caravans. Until Muhammad came along, the Arabian Peninsula was literally a multicultural and multireligious society, with complex 'blood money' and 'eye for an eye' style customs for resolving disputes between tribes and avoiding the sort of slaughter Muhammad engaged in.		Another recurring theme is that the Jews and their allies intended genocide of the Muslims. There is absolutely no evidence for this claim and it would be out of character for the people and the time period. It is a complete fabrication. The Meccans, with whom the Jews are accused of conspiring, went home after one earlier battle, despite being in a position to press their advantage, because they believed Muhammad had been killed and that this would be sufficient to stop Muhammad raiding their caravans. Until Muhammad came along, the Arabian Peninsula was literally a multicultural and multireligious society, with complex 'blood money' and 'eye for an eye' style customs for resolving disputes between tribes and avoiding the sort of slaughter Muhammad engaged in.
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	=== Jews Planned Genocide ===		=== Jews Planned Genocide ===

			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1490870704 Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims]

	All three tribes planned genocide.		All three tribes planned genocide.
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	== Relevence to modern Israel ==		== Relevence to modern Israel ==

			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1490870704/2#2 Jews conspiring genocide of Muslims]

	Modern Israel has the same genocidal agenda against Muslims as the tribe slaughtered by Muhammad.		Modern Israel has the same genocidal agenda against Muslims as the tribe slaughtered by Muhammad.

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	* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1463911375/22#22 A plucky young Muslima]		* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1463911375/22#22 A plucky young Muslima]
	* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438922302 Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering]		* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438922302 Islamic justification for Jew slaughtering]
	* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374026475 ~~Muhammed~~ engaged in collective punishment]		* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374026475 Muhammad engaged in collective punishment]
	* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294 Jews always to blame for conflict, never Muslims]		* [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294 Jews always to blame for conflict, never Muslims]
	The remainder of the examples presented here come mostly from these threads:		The remainder of the examples presented here come mostly from these threads:
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	There is only one contemporary source for the slaughter - Ibn Ishaq.		There is only one contemporary source for the slaughter - Ibn Ishaq.
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438922302/133#133]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438922302/133#133]
	"The Quran makes one passing reference to the Qurayza incident - and all it says is (paraphrasing) - 'some you killed and some you took prisoner - then later freed' - or in other words directly contradicting the Ishaq story that all adult males were killed." In this case, the ~~Koran~~ was paraphrased rather than quoted because the actual passage in the ~~Koran~~ does not mention freeing them - just killing them and taking them as POWs, which is entirely consistent with other accounts. Here is one translation of the relevant verse (33.26): "'''And He brought down those of the People of the Scripture, namely, the [Banu] Qurayza, who had supported them from their strongholds (sayasi is the plural of sisa, and is that in which one fortifies himself [against an enemy]) and He cast terror into their hearts, [so that] some, of them, you slew, and these were the combatants, and some, of them, you took captive, namely, their children.'''" [http://quranx.com/tafsir/Jalal/33.26]		"The Quran makes one passing reference to the Qurayza incident - and all it says is (paraphrasing) - 'some you killed and some you took prisoner - then later freed' - or in other words directly contradicting the Ishaq story that all adult males were killed." In this case, the Quran was paraphrased rather than quoted because the actual passage in the Quran does not mention freeing them - just killing them and taking them as POWs, which is entirely consistent with other accounts. Here is one translation of the relevant verse (33.26): "'''And He brought down those of the People of the Scripture, namely, the [Banu] Qurayza, who had supported them from their strongholds (sayasi is the plural of sisa, and is that in which one fortifies himself [against an enemy]) and He cast terror into their hearts, [so that] some, of them, you slew, and these were the combatants, and some, of them, you took captive, namely, their children.'''" [http://quranx.com/tafsir/Jalal/33.26]
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438922302/135#135]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438922302/135#135]
	"the reality was that a few of the leaders who were responsible for the treachery were executed, and the rest were freed - as stated in the Quran"		"the reality was that a few of the leaders who were responsible for the treachery were executed, and the rest were freed - as stated in the Quran"
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	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1372771765/31#31]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1372771765/31#31]
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1372771765/46#46]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1372771765/46#46]
	Muslims will insist that Islamic concubinage does not involve rape, despite the context of slavery, coupled with Muslims considering it their right to have sex with women they own, and the woman's responsibility, as well as the absence of legal punishment for rape of concubines. This is justified with a dictionary definition of concubinage, as well as a ~~Koranic~~ verse that initially appears to forbid rape. However the following verses make it clear that it only forbids compelling concubines into prostitution. They will also argue that the absence of punishment for raping slaves is actually evidence that slaves were not raped.		Muslims will insist that Islamic concubinage does not involve rape, despite the context of slavery, coupled with Muslims considering it their right to have sex with women they own, and the woman's responsibility, as well as the absence of legal punishment for rape of concubines. This is justified with a dictionary definition of concubinage, as well as a Quranic verse that initially appears to forbid rape. However the following verses make it clear that it only forbids compelling concubines into prostitution. They will also argue that the absence of punishment for raping slaves is actually evidence that slaves were not raped.
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294/20#20]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294/20#20]
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294/36#36]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294/36#36]
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	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294/59#59]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294/59#59]
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294/62#62]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294/62#62]
	It is not "anti-Jewish" propaganda. The threats of violence directed at Jews for not converting to Islam are no different to old testament criticisms of Jews for not sticking to their religion. The ~~Koran~~ is not "anti-semitic" because the Jews are Muslims, they just don't realise it yet. This does actually reflect Muhammad's own view - that he was the religious leader of the Jews and Christians. Muhammad seems to have been genuinely bewildered and taken by surprise when the Jews took offence to his proclamations.		It is not "anti-Jewish" propaganda. The threats of violence directed at Jews for not converting to Islam are no different to old testament criticisms of Jews for not sticking to their religion. The Quran is not "anti-semitic" because the Jews are Muslims, they just don't realise it yet. This does actually reflect Muhammad's own view - that he was the religious leader of the Jews and Christians. Muhammad seems to have been genuinely bewildered and taken by surprise when the Jews took offence to his proclamations.
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294/148#148]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294/148#148]
	There was no religious motivation or anti-semitism.		There was no religious motivation or anti-semitism.

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	=== Muhammad had no Power ===		=== Muhammad had no Power ===

	This is essentially arguing the opposite to what was claimed above - that Muhammad was engaging in power politics rather than anti-~~semitic~~ racism. Here, Muslims insist that Muhammad did not have the political authority to carry out the actions attributed to him, on account of him being invited to Medina merely as some kind of negotiator. The truth is that Muhammad's power grew rapidly, and his belligerence to the Jews did not begin until after he had a significant and victorious militia behind him. In a similar trend, Muhammad became outright hostile to the pagans when he later gained control of Mecca and ironically ended up treating them worse than the Jews.		This is essentially arguing the opposite to what was claimed above - that Muhammad was engaging in power politics rather than anti-Semitic racism. Here, Muslims insist that Muhammad did not have the political authority to carry out the actions attributed to him, on account of him being invited to Medina merely as some kind of negotiator. The truth is that Muhammad's power grew rapidly, and his belligerence to the Jews did not begin until after he had a significant and victorious militia behind him. In a similar trend, Muhammad became outright hostile to the pagans when he later gained control of Mecca and ironically ended up treating them worse than the Jews.

	This argument also relies on feigned inability to understand a simple timeline - that Muhammad's battlefield victory against Mecca (with the assistance of Medinese pagans) came first, then his public threats of violence against Jews if they do not convert to Islam, then his expulsion of the first to tribes, then his genocide of the third. That is, they pretend they cannot comprehend how ~~somene~~ who was ~~intitially~~ invited to Medina did everything he did over the next decade while still holding the low level of authority he had initially. Muslims will also insist that the timeline provided above is incorrect.		This argument also relies on feigned inability to understand a simple timeline - that Muhammad's battlefield victory against Mecca (with the assistance of Medinese pagans) came first, then his public threats of violence against Jews if they do not convert to Islam, then his expulsion of the first to tribes, then his genocide of the third. That is, they pretend they cannot comprehend how someone who was initially invited to Medina did everything he did over the next decade while still holding the low level of authority he had initially. Muslims will also insist that the timeline provided above is incorrect.

	Muhammad needed the support of his allies to slaughter the tribe, and not a single one of those allies spoke out against the slaughter.		Muhammad needed the support of his allies to slaughter the tribe, and not a single one of those allies spoke out against the slaughter.
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294/110#110]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374022294/110#110]
	''The truth is that at least one group - the Aws - are recorded as speaking out against the punishment and pleading for a more lenient sentence. It was actually the Aws that the Banu Qurayza agreed to be judged by, and the Aws who pleaded for lenience, but the one member of the Aws chosen by ~~Muhamamd~~ to pass judgement, a convert to Islam, went against the wishes of his tribe. Furthermore Muhammad had already expelled the other two large Jewish tribes and the last tribe was now his prisoner, a clear demonstration of his authority. He owned the previous punishments and was in a far stronger position now. The slaughter was for strategic reasons, and only chose to distance himself from the punishment politically (he still explicitly supported it) because it could have otherwise turned people against him, the Aws in particular. He also demanded the Aws participate in the executions.''		''The truth is that at least one group - the Aws - are recorded as speaking out against the punishment and pleading for a more lenient sentence. It was actually the Aws that the Banu Qurayza agreed to be judged by, and the Aws who pleaded for lenience, but the one member of the Aws chosen by Muhammad to pass judgement, a convert to Islam, went against the wishes of his tribe. Furthermore Muhammad had already expelled the other two large Jewish tribes and the last tribe was now his prisoner, a clear demonstration of his authority. He owned the previous punishments and was in a far stronger position now. The slaughter was for strategic reasons, and only chose to distance himself from the punishment politically (he still explicitly supported it) because it could have otherwise turned people against him, the Aws in particular. He also demanded the Aws participate in the executions.''

	"Notice too how your narrative is changing. You banged on for years about how the Medinans were basically tricked into signing a seemingly innocuous treaty by some sweet talker, and it was only after he consolidated his power was he able to intimidate and rule with an iron fist. Now you are trying to say he was somehow some all-powerful dictator from the very beginning - "imposing" his will on the powerless Medinans." ''The truth is that Muhammad's ~~beligerance~~ towards the Jews always reflected his military power. He began threatening Jews for not converting them and expelling them from Medina very shortly after his first military victory against the Meccans with the aid of his ~~growin~~ Medina-based army. He did not commit genocide until there was only one tribe left and no-one willing to stand up for them.''		"Notice too how your narrative is changing. You banged on for years about how the Medinans were basically tricked into signing a seemingly innocuous treaty by some sweet talker, and it was only after he consolidated his power was he able to intimidate and rule with an iron fist. Now you are trying to say he was somehow some all-powerful dictator from the very beginning - "imposing" his will on the powerless Medinans." ''The truth is that Muhammad's belligerence towards the Jews always reflected his military power. He began threatening Jews for not converting them and expelling them from Medina very shortly after his first military victory against the Meccans with the aid of his growing Medina-based army. He did not commit genocide until there was only one tribe left and no-one willing to stand up for them.''
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438922302/189#189]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438922302/189#189]
	"And you haven't answered the question - how did Muhammad - a refugee with no standing army, acting as mediator at the good grace of the rulers of Medina (which included the ~~jews~~) "impose" his treaty against the will of the people?"		"And you haven't answered the question - how did Muhammad - a refugee with no standing army, acting as mediator at the good grace of the rulers of Medina (which included the Jews) "impose" his treaty against the will of the people?"
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438922302/192#192]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438922302/192#192]
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438922302/195#195]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438922302/195#195]
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	Muhammad agreed to the slaughter for the sake of a speedy resolution.		Muhammad agreed to the slaughter for the sake of a speedy resolution.
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464336968/209#209]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464336968/209#209]
	Denying that a swift resolution and the ~~itnerests~~ of Muhammad Islamic state were used as a justification.		Denying that a swift resolution and the interests of Muhammad Islamic state were used as a justification.
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464336968/296#296]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464336968/296#296]
			Muhammad's robbery of Meccan caravans (which started several years earlier) was an act of "retaliating against the initial Meccan aggression" - ie Muhammad was in a position to take vengeance on a far larger city many years earlier, but not did not have any authority within Medina.
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374276604/136#136]

	=== Not motivated by anti-semitism ===		=== Not motivated by anti-semitism ===