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Islam as a ratchet

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	= Islam as a ratchet =		= Islam as a ratchet =

	Islam can be considered an ideological ratchet because it incorporates several mechanisms for preventing dissent and anchoring the ideology in a way that allows people to adopt Islam but prevents people from rejecting it. Note that this explanation should be interpreted in the context in which Islam grew – as a single, expansionist, military empire, rather than as the fragmented movement it is today. In fact, the fragmentation and internal violence we see today is analogous to the catastrophic failure of a ratchet when it is forced to move backwards.		Islam can be considered an ideological ratchet because it incorporates several mechanisms for preventing dissent and anchoring the ideology in a way that allows people to adopt Islam but prevents people from rejecting it [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1609978609]. Note that this explanation should be interpreted in the context in which Islam grew – as a single, expansionist, military empire, rather than as the fragmented movement it is today. In fact, the fragmentation and internal violence we see today is analogous to the catastrophic failure of a ratchet when it is forced to move backwards.

	The Quran contains direct instructions to convert people to Islam by the sword. This is consistent with Muhammad's actions. In the brief period at the end of his life when he was able to wage offensive war, he sent out several war parties to slaughter pagans and destroy pagan shrines. Entire communities were wiped out. Those who declared a political allegiance to Muhammad and Islam in order to avoid being slaughtered quickly found themselves under pressure to convert to Islam in the spiritual sense. Muslims will actually try to pass these verses off as a just war doctrine of self defence and proportionality.		The Quran contains direct instructions to convert people to Islam by the sword. This is consistent with Muhammad's actions. In the brief period at the end of his life when he was able to wage offensive war, he sent out several war parties to slaughter pagans and destroy pagan shrines. Entire communities were wiped out. Those who declared a political allegiance to Muhammad and Islam in order to avoid being slaughtered quickly found themselves under pressure to convert to Islam in the spiritual sense. Muslims will actually try to pass these verses off as a just war doctrine of self defence and proportionality.

Freediver: /* Islam as a ratchet */

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Islam as a ratchet

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	Islam can be considered an ideological ratchet because it incorporates several mechanisms for preventing dissent and anchoring the ideology in a way that allows people to adopt Islam but prevents people from rejecting it. Note that this explanation should be interpreted in the context in which Islam grew – as a single, expansionist, military empire, rather than as the fragmented movement it is today. In fact, the fragmentation and internal violence we see today is analogous to the catastrophic failure of a ratchet when it is forced to move backwards.		Islam can be considered an ideological ratchet because it incorporates several mechanisms for preventing dissent and anchoring the ideology in a way that allows people to adopt Islam but prevents people from rejecting it. Note that this explanation should be interpreted in the context in which Islam grew – as a single, expansionist, military empire, rather than as the fragmented movement it is today. In fact, the fragmentation and internal violence we see today is analogous to the catastrophic failure of a ratchet when it is forced to move backwards.

			The Quran contains direct instructions to convert people to Islam by the sword. This is consistent with Muhammad's actions. In the brief period at the end of his life when he was able to wage offensive war, he sent out several war parties to slaughter pagans and destroy pagan shrines. Entire communities were wiped out. Those who declared a political allegiance to Muhammad and Islam in order to avoid being slaughtered quickly found themselves under pressure to convert to Islam in the spiritual sense. Muslims will actually try to pass these verses off as a just war doctrine of self defence and proportionality.
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Deception_and_the_Just_War_Doctrine#Oppression]

	== The geopolitical ratchet ==		== The geopolitical ratchet ==

Freediver at 11:42, 2 April 2017

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			[[Islam]]

	Discussion: [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1357182115]		Discussion: [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1357182115]

Freediver: /* The geopolitical ratchet */

2017-03-30T11:00:02Z

The geopolitical ratchet

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	Outside its borders, Islam spread in a similar way to political parties. Islam permits lying and deception in the context of war, and the only limitation to this appears to be what Muslims can get away with (see [http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Deception_of_Non-Muslims Deception of Non-Muslims]). The ratchet-like nature of the political boundary of Islam resolves any theological problems that would otherwise arise with encouraging followers to deliberately lie about the religion. In effect, it does not matter what lies were told, because once a region is incorporated into the empire, the ‘correct’ version of Shariah law is imposed and people figure out soon enough what Islam is really like.		Outside its borders, Islam spread in a similar way to political parties. Islam permits lying and deception in the context of war, and the only limitation to this appears to be what Muslims can get away with (see [http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Deception_of_Non-Muslims Deception of Non-Muslims]). The ratchet-like nature of the political boundary of Islam resolves any theological problems that would otherwise arise with encouraging followers to deliberately lie about the religion. In effect, it does not matter what lies were told, because once a region is incorporated into the empire, the ‘correct’ version of Shariah law is imposed and people figure out soon enough what Islam is really like.
	Muslims often promote the idea that the Islamic empire spread due to the popularity of its lower taxes, even though non-Muslims pay extra tax.		Muslims often promote the idea that the Islamic empire spread due to the popularity of its lower taxes, even though non-Muslims pay extra tax.

			[[Muslims_Promote_Genocide]]

	=== Exploiting disaffected minorities ===		=== Exploiting disaffected minorities ===

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Malaysia

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	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387333750/33#33],		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387333750/33#33],
	an Australian Muslim claimed to know from personal experience how Malaysians "really felt" about the issue.		an Australian Muslim claimed to know from personal experience how Malaysians "really felt" about the issue.
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1480455429/15#15]
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387754522/2#2]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387754522/2#2]
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388997344]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388997344]

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Aceh

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	The spread of Islam without political imposition is not without doctrinal precedent. Muhammed's early career shows his effective promotion of Islam from a very weak political position. During this time Muhammed preached what could (very loosely) be described as pacifism and tolerance. Modern (and historical) Muslims that find themselves as small minorities tend to present this face of Islam. It was not until Muhammed gained unchecked power that the 'rape and pillage' aspects of Islam were revealed. There is clear doctrinal guidance for interpreting the apparent contradiction: the later, more violent aspects 'abrogate' (ie, replace) the earlier more tolerant aspects. Although the illusion of pacifism is shattered by terrorist attacks in the west, modern Muslims spreading Islam in the west employ many of the strategies used in Muhammed's early career, as did those who spread Islam east from Pakistan. Modern Muslims for example manage to claim victimhood status in the west despite the high death toll from their co-religionists.		The spread of Islam without political imposition is not without doctrinal precedent. Muhammed's early career shows his effective promotion of Islam from a very weak political position. During this time Muhammed preached what could (very loosely) be described as pacifism and tolerance. Modern (and historical) Muslims that find themselves as small minorities tend to present this face of Islam. It was not until Muhammed gained unchecked power that the 'rape and pillage' aspects of Islam were revealed. There is clear doctrinal guidance for interpreting the apparent contradiction: the later, more violent aspects 'abrogate' (ie, replace) the earlier more tolerant aspects. Although the illusion of pacifism is shattered by terrorist attacks in the west, modern Muslims spreading Islam in the west employ many of the strategies used in Muhammed's early career, as did those who spread Islam east from Pakistan. Modern Muslims for example manage to claim victimhood status in the west despite the high death toll from their co-religionists.

	Aceh province in Indonesia is a good example of this process. Aceh was the first place that Muslims settled in South East Asia. Although modern Aceh is associated with violent Islamic separatist movements and one of the most traditional and conservative Islamic societies, it was originally settled by Sufi Muslims. Sufism is the 'inner, mystical dimension' of Islam. Sufis are generally regarded as more peaceful and tolerant - almost the 'Hare Krishna' version of Islam (with some notable exceptions [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1459123428]). It is ironic then that today, Sufis in Aceh face the dual threat of bans on their schools (and the basis of blasphemy) and terrorist attacks [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1456110277/25#25].		Aceh province in Indonesia is a good example of this process. Aceh was the first place that Muslims settled in South East Asia. Although modern Aceh is associated with violent Islamic separatist movements and one of the most traditional and conservative Islamic societies [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1470125988], it was originally settled by Sufi Muslims. Sufism is the 'inner, mystical dimension' of Islam. Sufis are generally regarded as more peaceful and tolerant - almost the 'Hare Krishna' version of Islam (with some notable exceptions [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1459123428]). It is ironic then that today, Sufis in Aceh face the dual threat of bans on their schools (and the basis of blasphemy) and terrorist attacks [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1456110277/25#25].

	= Nazism and Communism =		= Nazism and Communism =

Freediver: /* Aceh */

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Aceh

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	=== Aceh ===		=== Aceh ===

	The spread of Islam west across North Africa and into Spain, as well as east to Pakistan, closely reflects the 'faith ratchet' presented here. Islam did however spread much further east, and today there are large numbers of Muslims in places like Indonesia and Malaysia. This eastern spread lacks the initial military conquest and 'top down' imposition of Islam that makes the current Western extent of Islam match the original Caliphate so closely. ~~This~~ may be partly due to a clash of cultures in which Muslims from the west had more advanced technologies - similar to European conquest of the new world, but on a much smaller scale due to the less significant cultural differences. Islam has a much shorter history in the east than it does in the territory captured by the first Caliphate.		The spread of Islam west across North Africa and into Spain, as well as east to Pakistan, closely reflects the 'faith ratchet' presented here. Islam did however spread much further east, and today there are large numbers of Muslims in places like Indonesia and Malaysia. This eastern spread lacks the initial military conquest and 'top down' imposition of Islam that makes the current Western extent of Islam match the original Caliphate so closely. The more recent spread into Southeast Asia may be partly due to a clash of cultures in which Muslims from the west had more advanced technologies - similar to European conquest of the new world, but on a much smaller scale due to the less significant cultural differences. Islam has a much shorter history in the east than it does in the territory captured by the first Caliphate.

	The spread of Islam without political imposition is not without doctrinal precedent. Muhammed's early career shows his effective promotion of Islam from a very weak political position. During this time Muhammed preached what could (very loosely) be described as pacifism and tolerance. Modern (and historical) Muslims that find themselves as small minorities tend to present this face of Islam. It was not until Muhammed gained unchecked power that the 'rape and pillage' aspects of Islam were revealed. There is clear doctrinal guidance for interpreting the apparent contradiction: the later, more violent aspects 'abrogate' (ie, replace) the earlier more tolerant aspects. Although the illusion of pacifism is shattered by terrorist attacks in the west, modern Muslims spreading Islam in the west employ many of the strategies used in Muhammed's early career, as did those who spread Islam east from Pakistan. Modern Muslims for example manage to claim victimhood status in the west despite the high death toll from their co-religionists.		The spread of Islam without political imposition is not without doctrinal precedent. Muhammed's early career shows his effective promotion of Islam from a very weak political position. During this time Muhammed preached what could (very loosely) be described as pacifism and tolerance. Modern (and historical) Muslims that find themselves as small minorities tend to present this face of Islam. It was not until Muhammed gained unchecked power that the 'rape and pillage' aspects of Islam were revealed. There is clear doctrinal guidance for interpreting the apparent contradiction: the later, more violent aspects 'abrogate' (ie, replace) the earlier more tolerant aspects. Although the illusion of pacifism is shattered by terrorist attacks in the west, modern Muslims spreading Islam in the west employ many of the strategies used in Muhammed's early career, as did those who spread Islam east from Pakistan. Modern Muslims for example manage to claim victimhood status in the west despite the high death toll from their co-religionists.

	Aceh province in Indonesia is a good example of this process. Aceh was the first place that Muslims settled in South East Asia. Although modern Aceh is associated with violent Islamic separatist movements and one of the most traditional and conservative Islamic societies, it was originally ~~settled~~ settled by Sufi Muslims. Sufism is ~~defined as~~ the inner mystical dimension of Islam. Sufis are generally regarded as more peaceful and tolerant - almost the 'Hare Krishna' version of Islam (with some notable exceptions [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1459123428]). It is ironic then that today, Sufis in Aceh face the dual threat of bans on their schools (and the basis of blasphemy) and terrorist attacks [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1456110277/25#25].		Aceh province in Indonesia is a good example of this process. Aceh was the first place that Muslims settled in South East Asia. Although modern Aceh is associated with violent Islamic separatist movements and one of the most traditional and conservative Islamic societies, it was originally settled by Sufi Muslims. Sufism is the 'inner, mystical dimension' of Islam. Sufis are generally regarded as more peaceful and tolerant - almost the 'Hare Krishna' version of Islam (with some notable exceptions [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1459123428]). It is ironic then that today, Sufis in Aceh face the dual threat of bans on their schools (and the basis of blasphemy) and terrorist attacks [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1456110277/25#25].

	= Nazism and Communism =		= Nazism and Communism =

Freediver: /* Malaysia */

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Malaysia

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	If pro-Islamic movements gain strength, the Malaysian example of Muslims tolerating multiculturalism and freedom of religion has a very bleak future (not that it is a particularly good example to begin with). The British democratic and constitutional heritage can not survive against a population that is hostile to democratic ideals.		If pro-Islamic movements gain strength, the Malaysian example of Muslims tolerating multiculturalism and freedom of religion has a very bleak future (not that it is a particularly good example to begin with). The British democratic and constitutional heritage can not survive against a population that is hostile to democratic ideals.

	Malaysia also provides an interesting demonstration of the two faces of Islam. Outside of Malaysia, Muslims work tirelessly to misrepresent what Malaysian Muslims are doing in the name of Islam. For example, when presented with evidence in the form of a survey that that majority of Malaysian Muslims support the execution of apostates and stoning adulterers to death [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387754522][http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386405172/161#161][http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325/499#499][http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387333750/33#33], an Australian Muslim claimed to know from personal experience how Malaysians "really felt" about the issue. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387754522/2#2][http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388997344][http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388619982][http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325/659#659] This is despite the fact that this person had never actually asked any Malaysian Muslims what they think about applying the death penalty to these "crimes". '''Correction and apology: Gandalf now insists that he did ask them what they think, but refuses to reveal what the response was, preferring instead to explain why it is not necessary for him to actually ask them, and to pretend I never asked him whether he put the question to them in person.''' [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387754522/116#116]		Malaysia also provides an interesting demonstration of the two faces of Islam. Outside of Malaysia, Muslims work tirelessly to misrepresent what Malaysian Muslims are doing in the name of Islam. For example, when presented with evidence in the form of a survey that that majority of Malaysian Muslims support the execution of apostates and stoning adulterers to death
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387754522]
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386405172/161#161]
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325/499#499]
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387333750/33#33],
			an Australian Muslim claimed to know from personal experience how Malaysians "really felt" about the issue.
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387754522/2#2]
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388997344]
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388619982]
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325/659#659]
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1460714356/150]
			This is despite the fact that this person had never actually asked any Malaysian Muslims what they think about applying the death penalty to these "crimes". '''Correction and apology: Gandalf now insists that he did ask them what they think, but refuses to reveal what the response was, preferring instead to explain why it is not necessary for him to actually ask them, and to pretend I never asked him whether he put the question to them in person.''' [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1387754522/116#116]

	Some of the claims made include:		Some of the claims made include:

Freediver: /* The sex ratchet */

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The sex ratchet

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	Muslims also use sex to attract newcomers to the religion, by claiming that there are many women converting. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1390714478/22#22]		Muslims also use sex to attract newcomers to the religion, by claiming that there are many women converting. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1390714478/22#22]

			== The incest ratchet ==

			Islam encourages and facilitates consanguineous marriages (ie incestuous, between blood relatives). These cause a number of health issues among children of these marriages, as well as a significant reduction in IQ. This reduction in IQ is likely to make Islam more attractive as an ideology. See [[Islamic Incest Ratchet\|main article]]. This article presents the Quranic support for incest, evidence of the actual rate of incest by country, the health effects on children of incestuous marriage, the impact this has on IQ in Muslim countries, and an argument for how this lowering of IQ makes Islam more popular.

	== The slavery ratchet ==		== The slavery ratchet ==