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Question: Finally a fantastic decision for the RAN

Scomo should pay for the sub debacle    
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After Scomo wasted billions. Don’t vote lnp    
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Scomo needs to face a royal commission    
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Labor supported the failed sub deal!    
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We have better wine and cheese than the French    
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I’m just happy our Navy has a future    
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I fish and I vote    
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China should have put in a offer?    
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Australia To But Advanced Warships From Japan
Aug 6th, 2025 at 9:32am
 
Australia to buy 11 advanced warships from Japan   Huh


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August 5, 2025

Australia will upgrade its navy with 11 Mogami-class frigates built by Japan's Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Defence Minister Richard Marles said on Tuesday.

Billed as one of Japan's biggest defence export deals since World War II, Australia will pay US$6 billion (Aus$10 billion) over the next 10 years to acquire the fleet of stealth frigates.

Australia is in the midst of a major military restructure, bolstering its navy with long-range firepower in an effort to deter China.

It is striving to expand its fleet of major warships from 11 to 26 over the next decade.

"This is clearly the biggest defence-industry agreement that has ever been struck between Japan and Australia," Marles said, touting the deal.

"This decision was made based on what was the best capability for Australia," he added.

"We do have a very close strategic alignment with Japan."

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries was awarded the tender over Germany's ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems.

Mogami-class warships are advanced stealth frigates equipped with a potent array of weapons.


Marles said they would replace Australia's ageing fleet of Anzac-class vessels, with the first Mogami-class ship to be on the water by 2030.

"The Mogami-class frigate is the best frigate for Australia," said Marles.

"It is a next-generation vessel. It is stealthy. It has 32 vertical launch cells capable of launching long-range missiles."

The deal further cements a burgeoning security partnership between Australia and Japan.

Japan is deepening cooperation with US allies in the Asia-Pacific region that, like Tokyo, are involved in territorial disputes with China.

Both Japan and Australia are members of the "Quad" group alongside India and the United States.

Japanese government spokesman Yoshimasa Hayashi said Tuesday the deal was "proof of trust in our nation's high-level technology and the importance of interoperability between Japan's self defence forces and the Australian military."

It was also a "big step toward elevating the national security cooperation with Australia, which is our special strategic partner", Hayashi told reporters in Tokyo.

- 'More lethal' -

Japan's pacifist constitution restricts it from exporting weapons -- but Tokyo has in recent years loosened arms export controls to boost sales abroad.

"This is Japan's largest defence export deal since 1945 with a non-US partner," said Yee Kuang Heng from the University of Tokyo's Security Studies Unit.

"And only the second since Tokyo loosened its guidelines on defence exports in 2014, which led to exports of air surveillance radar to the Philippines."

Heng said the deal was a "massive shot in the arm" for Japan as it sought to strengthen its defence manufacturing industry.

Australian defence industry minister Pat Conroy said the Mogami-class frigates were capable of launching long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles.

"The acquisition of these stealth frigates will make our navy a bigger navy, and a more lethal navy," he said.

The first three Mogami-class frigates will be built overseas, Conroy said, with shipbuilding yards in Western Australia expected to produce the rest.

Australia announced a deal to acquire US-designed nuclear-powered submarines in 2021, scrapping a years-long plan to develop non-nuclear subs from France.   Sad

Under the tripartite AUKUS pact with the United States and the United Kingdom, the Australian navy plans to acquire at least three Virginia-class submarines within 15 years.

The AUKUS submarine programme alone could cost the country up to US$235 billion over the next 30 years, according to Australian government forecasts, a price tag that has stoked criticism.

Major defence projects in Australia have long suffered from cost overruns, government U-turns, policy changes and project plans that make more sense for local job creation than defence.

Australia plans to gradually increase its defence spending to 2.4 percent of gross domestic product -- above the 2 percent target set by its NATO allies, but well short of US demands for 3.5 percent.
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Re: Australia To But Advanced Warships From Japan
Reply #1 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 9:33am
 
Where's the money coming from?.   Sad
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Reply #2 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 9:48am
 

Notice that there is no talk at all of the parties involved in the arms race in SEA
getting around a table to try and reduce it?
We could save money and so could China, the USA, Japan, the Philippines,
India, and many other countries -
with simple arms reduction treaties with proper verification.

We now have China with the largest navy in the world
and heading towards 1,000 nuclear weapons and
wanting 3,000 to equal both Russia and the USA.
It's got way out of control and not one politician in the world
has even mentioned an arms reduction treaty.

We have the most useless set of politicians that the world has ever seen.
No one is standing up and proposing a solution.
Every side including Australia is ordering more and more weapons
to add to the arms race.
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Reply #3 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 10:04am
 
Well said Bobby and how right you are.  Where do we draw the line?.  With so many other things needing to be done.  Australia is in a housing crisis, people are sleeping under bridges and in their cars.  Far too few social housing homes have been built.  This is not just labor but also the coalition that should answer for this.  It is not good enough.   Sad   
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Reply #4 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 10:08am
 
whiteknight wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 10:04am:
Well said Bobby and how right you are.  Where do we draw the line?.  With so many other things needing to be done.  Australia is in a housing crisis, people are sleeping under bridges and in their cars.  Far too few social housing homes have been built.  This is not just labor but also the coalition that should answer for this.  It is not good enough.   Sad   



Yes - we are just pumping more borrowed money into an arms race that we cannot win.

We don't have the money - we are already in $1 trillion of debt
and any money used will be printed by the RBA and cause more inflation -
that will hurt everyone with prices for food and everything else that we can't afford.

Steak is up to $75 per kilo at Coles and Woolies - when will people wake up?

https://www.coles.com.au/product/coles-finest-carbon-neutral-beef-eye-fillet-ste...


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Reply #5 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 10:15am
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 9:48am:
Notice that there is no talk at all of the parties involved in the arms race in SEA
getting around a table to try and reduce it?
We could save money and so could China, the USA, Japan, the Philippines,
India, and many other countries -
with simple arms reduction treaties with proper verification.

We now have China with the largest navy in the world
and heading towards 1,000 nuclear weapons and
wanting 3,000 to equal both Russia and the USA.
It's got way out of control and not one politician in the world
has even mentioned an arms reduction treaty.

We have the most useless set of politicians that the world has ever seen.
No one is standing up and proposing a solution.
Every side including Australia is ordering more and more weapons
to add to the arms race.



Why is China doing this?
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Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
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Reply #6 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 10:17am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 10:15am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 9:48am:
Notice that there is no talk at all of the parties involved in the arms race in SEA
getting around a table to try and reduce it?
We could save money and so could China, the USA, Japan, the Philippines,
India, and many other countries -
with simple arms reduction treaties with proper verification.

We now have China with the largest navy in the world
and heading towards 1,000 nuclear weapons and
wanting 3,000 to equal both Russia and the USA.
It's got way out of control and not one politician in the world
has even mentioned an arms reduction treaty.

We have the most useless set of politicians that the world has ever seen.
No one is standing up and proposing a solution.
Every side including Australia is ordering more and more weapons
to add to the arms race.



Why is China doing this?



I assume they feel threatened by the USA and
they want to invade Taiwan and get away with it.

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Reply #7 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 10:17am
 
Everything will be ok once they build the new football stadium in Tasmania and all the stadium for the Olympic Games in Brisbane.


Our navy does actually need these ships and unlike the submarine fleet we will actually receive them.
The current ships they are replacing are due to retire.

I’m not suggesting we don’t have higher priority’s in Australia but we do require a Navy of at least minimum numbers, which is all we will have.
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I don’t care about Australians who are living in poverty or their businesses have gone bankrupt or those working hard and still struggling to survive.

BAN THE BURKA!

That’s fair more important!

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Re: Australia To But Advanced Warships From Japan
Reply #8 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 10:19am
 
Daves2017 wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 10:17am:
Everything will be ok once they build the new football stadium in Tasmania and all the stadium for the Olympic Games in Brisbane.


Our navy does actually need these ships and unlike the submarine fleet we will actually receive them.
The current ships they are replacing are due to retire.

I’m not suggesting we don’t have higher priority’s in Australia but we do require a Navy of at least minimum numbers, which is all we will have.



It's an arms race that we cannot win -

our economy is too small.
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Reply #9 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 10:26am
 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxl-1VcGYI

Ibelieve it’s simple replacement purchase for ships we already have that near retirement.
Our fleet is in need of upgrading desperately.

I’m actually impressed with Labor decision on this.
It appears quality.
I will wait and see how many ministers retire and take up positions with Mitsubishi but  for now I support it.

We need a Navy more than football stadiums and games.

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I don’t care about Australians who are living in poverty or their businesses have gone bankrupt or those working hard and still struggling to survive.

BAN THE BURKA!

That’s fair more important!

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Reply #10 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 11:16am
 
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries eh?

Maybe it's a lost in translation thing ...

They thought it was for "frigerates" not frigates?  Wink
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Reply #11 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 11:48am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 11:16am:
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries eh?

Maybe it's a lost in translation thing ...

They thought it was for "frigerates" not frigates?  Wink



Cheesy Cheesy
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BAN THE BURKA!

That’s fair more important!

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Reply #12 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 12:36pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 10:19am:
our economy is too small.


14th largest economy in the world with a GDP of $1.7trillion , slightly below russia with a gdp of $2 trillion
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Our esteemed leader:
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Reply #13 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 12:44pm
 
I don’t believe it’s an arm race.
I actually give Labor credit for avoiding that.
We are an island nation and we have unfortunately had many mistakes made with purchasing decisions for our Navy.

The USA submarine deal is a disaster. Better to just write those billions off.

This decision/deal has the potential to revolutionise our Naval fleet with modern technology and quality control of the build.

We will have a small but highly effective fleet which I believe is perfect for Australian  naval interests in the near future.

Credit to the current defence minister.
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I don’t care about Australians who are living in poverty or their businesses have gone bankrupt or those working hard and still struggling to survive.

BAN THE BURKA!

That’s fair more important!

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Reply #14 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 1:01pm
 
Now all they need to do is find the sailors...
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